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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 25 2012 12:09 GMT
#461
I keep just wanting to sheep Ace. I agree, saying "he is too scummy" is a terrible defence for Zentor's scummy behaviour. IF someone's disruptive, anti-town, and with his '20 hours' post actively trying to stifle discussion, the solution is scum.

Like, how could he play any more scummy before Radfield believed him to be scum? Or should everyone just act like total douchebags to confirm themselves town? Yukkyyuk
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 25 2012 12:15 GMT
#462
@purplehaze:
I'll put this in a spoiler so people don't accuse me of padding my filter:
+ Show Spoiler +
Well shit. I guess there's a reason they call it a one time pad. I haven't actually studied much cryptography, so I didn't think of that. The first thing which comes to mind as a remedy is that the reason it's breakable using your method is because scum know the set of possible decrypted messages. What if instead of hiding each others' names they each encrypted one of a pair of linked words (for example, "apples" and "oranges")? That way the scum wouldn't be able to reverse engineer the key because they wouldn't know the decrypted message. I guess it's pretty much academic at this point though, since masons would probably have claimed already.


@bluelightz:
So your case against me is that I accused snarfs of being scummy, but you also think he looks scummy?

I think both of your other points have already been pretty well explained in the thread; I posted about mason mechanics because that's what we were all talking about at the time. I've explained my votes on Zentor. My initial town read on him was based on his play in SS mafia, where he started out trolling but quickly started playing a bit more seriously. This game he hasn't taken much of anything seriously; it feels different.

Let me know if you have any specific questions.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 25 2012 12:27 GMT
#463
bluelightz: There is a problem with saying the Zentor lynch is moving too easily - yesterday it barely moved at all. If you're going to assume Zentor is innocent based on the wagon moving too fast, then what about yesterday when it stalled?

The case on Zentor is solid enough that it isn't unreasonable to expect his lynch to actually MOVE today.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
April 25 2012 12:30 GMT
#464
On April 25 2012 20:32 Ace wrote:
As for his role claim I've thought about it and I'd say that while it's possible he is lying, someone would have counter-claimed by now unless they too are a One-shot Cop. If that's the case then they would have also used their investigation last night and after seeing Radfield claim should come out and clear another Townie (unless they are holding on to a Scum investigation which frankly makes no sense). That hasn't happened so far so I think it's safe to assume at the moment Radfield's claim holds up. If there are no other Cop claims the only thing I would believe Radfield lies about is his one-shot status. It would make a convenient SK or Scum claim but until Day 3 winds around we've just got to take him at his word for now. It would also make sense as an actual Cop to claim 1-shot status to avoid being hit by Scum but I highly doubt Radfield would lie knowing the drama it would cause. It also would be pretty dumb to risk all that just to confirm me when I was never a major suspect anyway


Uh, the only one that could counterclaim IS the one-shot cop, and that's under the assumption that wbg stayed true to the C9++ setup in that aspect and picked only one one-shot cop. So it could be a gamble by scum, since there is also the possibility that there is no one-shot cop at all.

For example, if scum consists of Goon and Godfather only, and there is no SK (as it seems now), than there is only one blue role, if we stay true to the C9++ setup. The chance that this blue role is a one-shot cop is rather small. This would give scum good opportunities to fake-claim.

I understand that this is unlikely, but it should not be left out.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 25 2012 12:32 GMT
#465
On April 25 2012 20:16 Bluelightz wrote:
Sup bros, my blue mind say's that The Zentor lynch is moving too easy ( as radfield has already mentioned).

For now, as a preemptive guess on who is scum it is:

Snarfs, strongandbig, and a veteran player.


Snarfs because:
Snarfs and s&b seem to be trying to distance themselves from each other, also that, he is pushing the easy targets today,
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 08:40 Snarfs wrote:
Based on what I just posted, I'm also feeling a Zentor lynch. That said, it's still VERY early in the day so I'm not going to stop questioning other people.

##Vote MrZentor

Next, I find it odd that he picked s&b out of all people to call out in his first few posts.
Lastly, I see a problem with how HE scum hunts,
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 02:07 Snarfs wrote:
On April 24 2012 01:18 strongandbig wrote:
When it comes to actual suspects, I'd like to point to Snarfs. He's done a few things so far that make me suspicious.

First, we have
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 23 2012 09:12 Snarfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 08:53 Sbrubbles wrote:
That said, I suppose it might be a good strategy to claim if the masons are two relatively new players (like myself), in that it would draw fire away from more veteran town players.

If the masons do decide to claim, though, I don't think we should waste town powers confirming them. I'd be happy with believing them and only doubt them if they start acting specially scummy or aren't dead by day 4. Cops are here to investigate scummy players, not to confirm townies.

I agree with all this also. That said, I agree with the hydra in that it's time to stop talking about the masons and to start hunting scum.


In this post, he says that we should be hunting scum, but in none of his later posts does he actually do any scum hunting.

My scum hunting method is my own. I like to ask people questions based on their actions when I notice something weird and gauge their responses. Me asking you and Zentor, as well as Ace and Radfield, to explain your actions is my method of scum hunting.

-snip-

I don't see how asking someone to explain their action's is an effective way to scum hunt, I think that it is easy for one to make one's action's look town.




strongandbig because:

First, because oddly he picked Snarfs to make a case on, I feel that they are trying to distance themselves from each other, next, in his first post he spent an awful amount of space for a way for people to breaccrumb stuff -.-. Lastly, he made an awful sheep vote on Zentor.




Honestly I think both could be town, but I have a feeling that there's scum in them, just maybe,

##Vote: strongandbig

For now.


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Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 25 2012 12:37 GMT
#466
On April 25 2012 21:30 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 20:32 Ace wrote:
As for his role claim I've thought about it and I'd say that while it's possible he is lying, someone would have counter-claimed by now unless they too are a One-shot Cop. If that's the case then they would have also used their investigation last night and after seeing Radfield claim should come out and clear another Townie (unless they are holding on to a Scum investigation which frankly makes no sense). That hasn't happened so far so I think it's safe to assume at the moment Radfield's claim holds up. If there are no other Cop claims the only thing I would believe Radfield lies about is his one-shot status. It would make a convenient SK or Scum claim but until Day 3 winds around we've just got to take him at his word for now. It would also make sense as an actual Cop to claim 1-shot status to avoid being hit by Scum but I highly doubt Radfield would lie knowing the drama it would cause. It also would be pretty dumb to risk all that just to confirm me when I was never a major suspect anyway


Uh, the only one that could counterclaim IS the one-shot cop, and that's under the assumption that wbg stayed true to the C9++ setup in that aspect and picked only one one-shot cop. So it could be a gamble by scum, since there is also the possibility that there is no one-shot cop at all.

For example, if scum consists of Goon and Godfather only, and there is no SK (as it seems now), than there is only one blue role, if we stay true to the C9++ setup. The chance that this blue role is a one-shot cop is rather small. This would give scum good opportunities to fake-claim.

I understand that this is unlikely, but it should not be left out.


Did wbg post anywhere about how he derived this setup? If not 2 one-shot Cops are not out of play.

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 25 2012 12:38 GMT
#467
On April 25 2012 19:11 Radfield wrote:
I don't like this Zentor lynch. I feel like the case on Zentor is that he hasn't been playing like a nice safe contributory townie(which is how scum play). Instead he's been playing like he doesn't give a shit and being disruptive and arrogant. It's like he's trying to look as scummy as possible.

Please show me a single player who has flipped scum(besides chezinu) who has played a scum game like this. It doesn't happen. Yet it's not uncommon at all for townies to play a style like this. The lynch just feels wrong to me.

I don´t like seeing this defence being used once again. The reasoning is that he can´t be scum because he´s acting so obviously scum. If the opinion of TL Mafia is that a player who acts too scummy is town, then scum SHOULD act like MrZentor in order to avoid attention. He´s disrupting the game, he´s stealing time from other discussions, he´s hurting Town, that´s the scum motivation behind this, and why we need to lynch him.
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phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
April 25 2012 12:39 GMT
#468
On April 25 2012 20:16 Bluelightz wrote:
Sup bros, my blue mind say's that The Zentor lynch is moving too easy ( as radfield has already mentioned).

For now, as a preemptive guess on who is scum it is:

Snarfs, strongandbig, and a veteran player.

Snarfs because:
Snarfs and s&b seem to be trying to distance themselves from each other, also that, he is pushing the easy targets today,
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 08:40 Snarfs wrote:
Based on what I just posted, I'm also feeling a Zentor lynch. That said, it's still VERY early in the day so I'm not going to stop questioning other people.

##Vote MrZentor

Next, I find it odd that he picked s&b out of all people to call out in his first few posts.
Lastly, I see a problem with how HE scum hunts,
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 02:07 Snarfs wrote:
On April 24 2012 01:18 strongandbig wrote:
When it comes to actual suspects, I'd like to point to Snarfs. He's done a few things so far that make me suspicious.

First, we have
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 23 2012 09:12 Snarfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 08:53 Sbrubbles wrote:
That said, I suppose it might be a good strategy to claim if the masons are two relatively new players (like myself), in that it would draw fire away from more veteran town players.

If the masons do decide to claim, though, I don't think we should waste town powers confirming them. I'd be happy with believing them and only doubt them if they start acting specially scummy or aren't dead by day 4. Cops are here to investigate scummy players, not to confirm townies.

I agree with all this also. That said, I agree with the hydra in that it's time to stop talking about the masons and to start hunting scum.


In this post, he says that we should be hunting scum, but in none of his later posts does he actually do any scum hunting.

My scum hunting method is my own. I like to ask people questions based on their actions when I notice something weird and gauge their responses. Me asking you and Zentor, as well as Ace and Radfield, to explain your actions is my method of scum hunting.

-snip-

I don't see how asking someone to explain their action's is an effective way to scum hunt, I think that it is easy for one to make one's action's look town.




strongandbig because:

First, because oddly he picked Snarfs to make a case on, I feel that they are trying to distance themselves from each other, next, in his first post he spent an awful amount of space for a way for people to breaccrumb stuff -.-. Lastly, he made an awful sheep vote on Zentor.




Honestly I think both could be town, but I have a feeling that there's scum in them, just maybe,

##Vote: strongandbig

For now.


So what is it now? first you come and say they are both scum, build a case around that assumptions and in the end you say the could also both be town? Way to put pressure on them, I'm sure they are both terrified now. Or perhaps only one of them is scum, and the other is not? And you just keep us in the dark who is what? Nice way to set yourself up for some towncred if one of them flips scum.

Also, I've never played scum, but building a case on early D1 and then defending that case with an equally long post on D1 just to distance yourself from your scum buddy? Hardly.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 25 2012 12:41 GMT
#469
clearly the light isn't on in Bluelightz's head
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 25 2012 12:58 GMT
#470
Well, I think that Bluelightz is playing a ton better than he did in Death Factory Mafia 2, I don't think anybody has voiced any suspicion against him yet.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
April 25 2012 12:59 GMT
#471
On April 25 2012 21:27 Ace wrote:
bluelightz: There is a problem with saying the Zentor lynch is moving too easily - yesterday it barely moved at all. If you're going to assume Zentor is innocent based on the wagon moving too fast, then what about yesterday when it stalled?

The case on Zentor is solid enough that it isn't unreasonable to expect his lynch to actually MOVE today.


The problem is that from past experiences with Zentor I feel that he is town, and we will mislych today because he doesnt bother to defend himself, AGAIN.

Comparing to: SoAF Mafia, where he was all trololol day 2 till his claim and reads.
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
April 25 2012 13:00 GMT
#472
On April 25 2012 21:39 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 20:16 Bluelightz wrote:
Sup bros, my blue mind say's that The Zentor lynch is moving too easy ( as radfield has already mentioned).

For now, as a preemptive guess on who is scum it is:

Snarfs, strongandbig, and a veteran player.

Snarfs because:
Snarfs and s&b seem to be trying to distance themselves from each other, also that, he is pushing the easy targets today,
On April 25 2012 08:40 Snarfs wrote:
Based on what I just posted, I'm also feeling a Zentor lynch. That said, it's still VERY early in the day so I'm not going to stop questioning other people.

##Vote MrZentor

Next, I find it odd that he picked s&b out of all people to call out in his first few posts.
Lastly, I see a problem with how HE scum hunts,
On April 24 2012 02:07 Snarfs wrote:
On April 24 2012 01:18 strongandbig wrote:
When it comes to actual suspects, I'd like to point to Snarfs. He's done a few things so far that make me suspicious.

First, we have
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 23 2012 09:12 Snarfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 08:53 Sbrubbles wrote:
That said, I suppose it might be a good strategy to claim if the masons are two relatively new players (like myself), in that it would draw fire away from more veteran town players.

If the masons do decide to claim, though, I don't think we should waste town powers confirming them. I'd be happy with believing them and only doubt them if they start acting specially scummy or aren't dead by day 4. Cops are here to investigate scummy players, not to confirm townies.

I agree with all this also. That said, I agree with the hydra in that it's time to stop talking about the masons and to start hunting scum.


In this post, he says that we should be hunting scum, but in none of his later posts does he actually do any scum hunting.

My scum hunting method is my own. I like to ask people questions based on their actions when I notice something weird and gauge their responses. Me asking you and Zentor, as well as Ace and Radfield, to explain your actions is my method of scum hunting.

-snip-

I don't see how asking someone to explain their action's is an effective way to scum hunt, I think that it is easy for one to make one's action's look town.




strongandbig because:

First, because oddly he picked Snarfs to make a case on, I feel that they are trying to distance themselves from each other, next, in his first post he spent an awful amount of space for a way for people to breaccrumb stuff -.-. Lastly, he made an awful sheep vote on Zentor.




Honestly I think both could be town, but I have a feeling that there's scum in them, just maybe,

##Vote: strongandbig

For now.


So what is it now? first you come and say they are both scum, build a case around that assumptions and in the end you say the could also both be town? Way to put pressure on them, I'm sure they are both terrified now. Or perhaps only one of them is scum, and the other is not? And you just keep us in the dark who is what? Nice way to set yourself up for some towncred if one of them flips scum.

Also, I've never played scum, but building a case on early D1 and then defending that case with an equally long post on D1 just to distance yourself from your scum buddy? Hardly.


._. I said its a guess, and my last were simply another prediction.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
April 25 2012 13:00 GMT
#473
On April 25 2012 21:15 strongandbig wrote:
@purplehaze:
I'll put this in a spoiler so people don't accuse me of padding my filter:
+ Show Spoiler +
Well shit. I guess there's a reason they call it a one time pad. I haven't actually studied much cryptography, so I didn't think of that. The first thing which comes to mind as a remedy is that the reason it's breakable using your method is because scum know the set of possible decrypted messages. What if instead of hiding each others' names they each encrypted one of a pair of linked words (for example, "apples" and "oranges")? That way the scum wouldn't be able to reverse engineer the key because they wouldn't know the decrypted message. I guess it's pretty much academic at this point though, since masons would probably have claimed already.


@bluelightz:
So your case against me is that I accused snarfs of being scummy, but you also think he looks scummy?

I think both of your other points have already been pretty well explained in the thread; I posted about mason mechanics because that's what we were all talking about at the time. I've explained my votes on Zentor. My initial town read on him was based on his play in SS mafia, where he started out trolling but quickly started playing a bit more seriously. This game he hasn't taken much of anything seriously; it feels different.

Let me know if you have any specific questions.


Hmm, okay specific questions, so we don't kill discussion with everyone on Zentor

IF ZENTOR WASNT LYNCHED TODAY, WHO WOULD YOU LYNCH AND WHY?
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
April 25 2012 13:01 GMT
#474
That applies to everyone else who hasn't voiced suspicion on others.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 25 2012 13:03 GMT
#475
On April 25 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 21:27 Ace wrote:
bluelightz: There is a problem with saying the Zentor lynch is moving too easily - yesterday it barely moved at all. If you're going to assume Zentor is innocent based on the wagon moving too fast, then what about yesterday when it stalled?

The case on Zentor is solid enough that it isn't unreasonable to expect his lynch to actually MOVE today.


The problem is that from past experiences with Zentor I feel that he is town, and we will mislych today because he doesnt bother to defend himself, AGAIN.

Comparing to: SoAF Mafia, where he was all trololol day 2 till his claim and reads.


A player that doesn't bother to defend himself should be given a pass?

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
April 25 2012 13:13 GMT
#476
On April 25 2012 22:03 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:27 Ace wrote:
bluelightz: There is a problem with saying the Zentor lynch is moving too easily - yesterday it barely moved at all. If you're going to assume Zentor is innocent based on the wagon moving too fast, then what about yesterday when it stalled?

The case on Zentor is solid enough that it isn't unreasonable to expect his lynch to actually MOVE today.


The problem is that from past experiences with Zentor I feel that he is town, and we will mislych today because he doesnt bother to defend himself, AGAIN.

Comparing to: SoAF Mafia, where he was all trololol day 2 till his claim and reads.


A player that doesn't bother to defend himself should be given a pass?



IMO would scum do this? Not defend and trololol?
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phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
April 25 2012 13:15 GMT
#477
On April 25 2012 22:13 Bluelightz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 22:03 Ace wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:27 Ace wrote:
bluelightz: There is a problem with saying the Zentor lynch is moving too easily - yesterday it barely moved at all. If you're going to assume Zentor is innocent based on the wagon moving too fast, then what about yesterday when it stalled?

The case on Zentor is solid enough that it isn't unreasonable to expect his lynch to actually MOVE today.


The problem is that from past experiences with Zentor I feel that he is town, and we will mislych today because he doesnt bother to defend himself, AGAIN.

Comparing to: SoAF Mafia, where he was all trololol day 2 till his claim and reads.


A player that doesn't bother to defend himself should be given a pass?



IMO would scum do this? Not defend and trololol?


If it makes you look townie, yes.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
April 25 2012 13:18 GMT
#478
On April 25 2012 22:15 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 22:13 Bluelightz wrote:
On April 25 2012 22:03 Ace wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:27 Ace wrote:
bluelightz: There is a problem with saying the Zentor lynch is moving too easily - yesterday it barely moved at all. If you're going to assume Zentor is innocent based on the wagon moving too fast, then what about yesterday when it stalled?

The case on Zentor is solid enough that it isn't unreasonable to expect his lynch to actually MOVE today.


The problem is that from past experiences with Zentor I feel that he is town, and we will mislych today because he doesnt bother to defend himself, AGAIN.

Comparing to: SoAF Mafia, where he was all trololol day 2 till his claim and reads.


A player that doesn't bother to defend himself should be given a pass?



IMO would scum do this? Not defend and trololol?


If it makes you look townie, yes.


Point is that normal scum wouldn't have the balls to not defend himself in the current TL Mafia "metagame" as this kind of crap is rare.

Think outside the box!
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 25 2012 13:23 GMT
#479
Neither would a normal Townie. Everyone regardless of alignment is going to try and prove their innocent.

The problem with your thinking is "lets not lynch a player who isn't defending himself". I mean...come on. How does this even make sense? If the case against Zentor is he actually did Scummy things AND he isn't bothering to defend himself then how do you figure he is innocent?

Lets try this another way.

2 players on trial. Both of them have rock solid cases that show they have done things that more likely than not Scum would do during the course of the game.

Player A shows up to defend himself from all accusations.
Player B doesn't show up, but earlier in the trial promised to offer future proof about other players being Scum. Oh and he voted for himself.

You want us to ignore Player B and find Players C and D?


Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 25 2012 13:29 GMT
#480
On April 25 2012 22:15 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 22:13 Bluelightz wrote:
On April 25 2012 22:03 Ace wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:27 Ace wrote:
bluelightz: There is a problem with saying the Zentor lynch is moving too easily - yesterday it barely moved at all. If you're going to assume Zentor is innocent based on the wagon moving too fast, then what about yesterday when it stalled?

The case on Zentor is solid enough that it isn't unreasonable to expect his lynch to actually MOVE today.


The problem is that from past experiences with Zentor I feel that he is town, and we will mislych today because he doesnt bother to defend himself, AGAIN.

Comparing to: SoAF Mafia, where he was all trololol day 2 till his claim and reads.


A player that doesn't bother to defend himself should be given a pass?



IMO would scum do this? Not defend and trololol?


If it makes you look townie, yes.


This, yes. As scum, this could clearly be an effective defence - see Bluelightz/Radfield opinions for examples.

As town? Why would you actively troll? Why would you not TRY to be constructive? Or worse still, why try to be DEstructive? Trololol let's waste 20 hours, what the fuck? Why is antagonising the rest of the town in any way useful to anything?
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