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Looking forward to the game. Slow week, and I haven´t been modkilled so far, don´t plan on starting now. | ||
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On April 22 2012 07:08 prplhz wrote: SamuelLJackson needs to sign their posts and you need to show that you're actually two people playing for town. You're likely going to be the strongest town player and I expect that to show in your play and I'm gonna complain about any weird stuff from you because, no. Not following, why do they need to sign their posts? Doesn´t that defeat the point of having a hydra-account? | ||
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On April 22 2012 07:17 prplhz wrote: Uh, because then we know who said what, duh. Do you have a problem with them signing their posts? When I say "need" I don't mean that it's a game rule or anything, it's just something I want them to do to show transparency. Otherwise there can be big discussion about "Oh, not that wasn't be that was him who said that I don't know what it's about". Signing posts is never going to hurt anyone and it might prevent a great deal of confusion so they're going to sign their posts. Agree? Partly agree. It´s good in most situations to know who said what, because otherwise it´s impossible to read their play due to old games. On the other hand, just like in Couples Therapy Mafia, they are both responsible for what the other one do. They can´t blame the other player, so most of the time I´ll ignore who said what. | ||
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On April 22 2012 07:27 prplhz wrote: Oh you mean like "they're going to talk to each other and agree on some opinion and then they're going to post it"? I doubt that's a realistic scenario, they're both going to have opinions and they're not necessarily going to be the same. And even though sandroba can be really persuasive, Toadesstern knows that this game essentially revolves around him. They're both going to have opinions. We hydra'd that time in that Palmar game and I don't believe we agreed on a single thing?  No matter what, there's no harm in them signing their posts, if they both have the same opinion then they can just sign with both their names or whatever. How do you feel about random lynching day1 based on sports results? I know, they will probably not agree on everything, I don´t expect them to, but if one of them makes a mistake then the other one is probably just playing better. I agree that they might as well sign their posts, I just disagree with how we use that information. | ||
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On April 22 2012 07:37 SamuelLJackson wrote: Hey forumite, what's your opinion on: Am I the only one that reads this a little bit like he's treating me as a nice townie already (read: a little more "confirmed" than I should be at the start of a game) when he should have no idea about my alignment yet? + Show Spoiler [rnd hilarious stuff] + On April 22 2012 07:27 prplhz wrote: , Toadesstern knows that this game essentially revolves around him. That's a troll, right? I'm going to be around for an hour or something like that, maybe two more hours, it's saturday after all. ---Toad I think you are reading too little, in the rest of the sentence he says he´s not sure you are town. That sentence says that he thinks you are the strongest part of your team, I disagree, that´s all.  | ||
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On April 22 2012 08:00 MrZentor wrote: Aww, I was going to say that they needed to sign their posts.  I would like some people such as VE and BL to get in here, as this thread is so dull. ##Vote MrZentor Why are you voting yourself? | ||
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After being called out for not doing much you accuse prplhz of being scum out of the blue. Why so defensive? I want you post with a point, not spam. So far you´ve done 2 things of note, accuse prplhz of being scum and vote yourself. Which one do you think I agree with? | ||
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On April 22 2012 09:57 MrZentor wrote: I'm just thinking about how dull and stupid Prphlz is for expecting me to answer such ridiculous questions without being sarcastic. Forumrite, if you read more carefully, you would see that I didn't "accuse Prphlz out of the blue". Apart from the one about the picture, the questions prplhz asked deserve answers, especially as he asked about the opinions you had expressed in the thread. You say weird things, prplhz ask questions about it, if his questions are odd then it´s because of how you acted in the first place. Could you please explain instead, what is it that makes you seriously think that prplhz is scum? | ||
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On April 22 2012 10:02 MrZentor wrote: Also, the more I see Prphlz post, the more scummy he seems. Note how he copies Forumrite's phrasing exactly. Liars do that. You are grasping at straws. There´s nothing strange about him using the same phrase, he read it a few minutes before. We also have a similar play, teamed up in couples therapy, and are both scandinavian, of course our english might show some similarities. Now, please clarify, why is prplhz scum? | ||
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You on the other hand are grasping at straws, you make a weak case on prplhz to divert attention from yourself, and you are generally not acting town (why DID you vote yourself?). It´s very, very early in the game, and only about a third of the players have shown themselves so far, but your play so far scream scum. ##Vote MrZentor | ||
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On April 22 2012 14:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I think everyone who has posted so far is town. + Show Spoiler + Yes, this is me soft-claiming town. I look forward to hearing from Ace - after his untimely demise in SSM I didn't expect him to be back in a game so quickly. ^^ Please don´t tell me you are town, and don´t tell me you think I am town, the first I can´t trust, the second only make me a target for scum. Explain, why is MrZentor town? If he acts scum and disrupts the thread, that makes him look scum. I know most scum wouldn´t start the game like he does, because it´s too obvious, but that can´t be a defence of those who actually do. | ||
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On April 22 2012 21:53 VisceraEyes wrote: @Forumite So it is your opinion that MrZentor, as scum, voted for himself only to "get responses from people" and then, as scum, singled out prplhz? In the name of....what? Furthering his scum agenda? I don't know, I see it more as a townZentor move myself. That's why I disagree. I think he voted himself to try and give the appearance of him not caring about surviving himself, to show that he´s playing risky, like a town role that can rely on others for his win. He tried to act nonchalant about the game with his first post, not nervous and guilty. When prplhz and I called him out that voting himself was weird, he got nervous, defensive, and did an OMGUS on prplhz, trying to build a case out of nothing to divert attention from himself. | ||
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On April 22 2012 22:25 MrZentor wrote: That's some mastermind scum theory considering I've only been scum once(Death Factory 2). I'm almost tempted to vote for him because of his sheer stupidity. Don´t exaggerate, there´s nothing advanced about this, the only odd thing is you actually going so far as voting yourself, otherwise it looks like standard scumplay, nervous, defensive and fond of counterattacks. Are you still on about prplhz? | ||
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On April 23 2012 03:28 strongandbig wrote: Scum would naturally be against a scheme like this, in my opinion. Since I can't see any way it can possibly hurt town, I think we should do it, even if the benefit ends up being small. Why do you make a situation to help identify scum, then tell scum how to blend in? Since we´re still talking Masons, I don´t think there´s a rush in claiming. If they claim then scum have more time to pick them off. As long as they claim well before getting lynched then there´s no reason not to wait a few days. To emphasize that, if you are a mason about to be lynched, then don´t wait with claiming. I don´t want to ever see a voteswitch the last 10 minutes, or even the last 30 minutes. If you are too late then we might as well lynch you to confirm your partner. | ||
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On April 23 2012 05:33 Ace wrote: Well I didn't read wbg's last game, but s&b has a point Forumite. I've said it many times in the past that a pair of Masons are the most dangerous roles that a Scum team has to deal with in most games. He also alluded to Masons fast claiming Day 1 in the last game and wrecking shit. I'd be suspicious of any player that doesn't even want to talk about going this route also. As for your encryption plan that makes sense S&B but Samuel brings up a good point: They aren't guaranteed to be in the game. Let's not make ourselves do extra work that probably won't pay off. For now the fact that anyone even lazily reading the thread knows that a Mason claim is very likely by Day 2 is good enough. I don´t have the same experience with masons as you. In the games I´ve played, confirmed townies die soon after getting confirmed. In that light, it might be better to wait until day 3 to claim, and breadcrumb in a foolproof way so that if one mason die before the claim, the other one can confirm himself. During D3, when there are fewer people alive, one confirmed makes a much bigger difference. | ||
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The way I see it, either we give scum more targets, or we make sure to get as many confirmed town as possible. If the first, then the masons should claim now, if the second, then we wait until day 3 and have the masons and DTs claim all at once. | ||
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On April 23 2012 08:01 marvellosity wrote: I have to say, it would be superhandy to have the filters in the player list. I agree with this. While you are here, would you mind building on your own filter? We´ve talked about masons the first half of the day, during this time, have you found anyone suspicious? | ||
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On April 23 2012 20:05 marvellosity wrote: I don't think Zentor is scum atm. Instead of looking at his scum game, look at Space Station where he was town. He managed to be at the top of numerous people's suspicious list although he was town (and performing very townie actions in PM-land). Zentor can´t be scum, because he´s a good Town player? What if he´s a bad scumplayer too? He hasn´t done that many suspicious things lately, fine, I don´t have much else to complain about, but I can´t agree with those who defend him by essentially saying "only a bad player would make a stupid mistake like that". Whatever, noone cares about Zentor. | ||
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On April 23 2012 20:39 prplhz wrote: I don't recall saying "HURR DURR" and I don't know how any of that qualifies as "speculation", but alright. prplhz is back! Could you please have a beer, and then tell me who is scum? | ||
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On April 23 2012 21:10 marvellosity wrote: No, you misunderstand me a little I think. I was saying in Space Station he played suspiciously/scummy on thread and he was town there. Similar could appply here. You are right, my post wasn´t actually directed only towards you, but more to earlier defence of him. I disagree with what you are saying here though. If he is often accused of being scum because of his scummy way of playing, then him playing suspiciously here doesn´t make him Town, it just makes it harder to know if he´s Scum. It means we should look more carefully at him, not dismiss accusations because he gets accused of being scum so often. | ||
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Not sure about the exact votecount, but if we don´t have a candidate now, 30 minutes before the deadline, then I´d feel fine with not lynching at all. Late voteswitches never end well. | ||
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On April 24 2012 06:33 VisceraEyes wrote: "Never" is a strong word - sandro and I pwnz0rd scum with late-switches in C9++. In my experience they never end well. I´ve seen a voteswitch during the last 10 minutes and, surprise, town. If we can´t decide calmly on the best target, then rushing the decision right before deadline won´t make it more likely to find scum. | ||
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I still want MrZentor to die, especially after his listpost, I don´t want him to go out and provide us with a lurker to lynch. Barring that, do we no-lynch, or lynch snarfs or marvel? | ||
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On April 24 2012 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Forumite WHY would scum enter the game voting for themselves? I get that you don't like my reasoning for thinking they wouldn't, but why WOULD scum do that? I can't make sense of it from a scum perspective. To be honest, I didn't like his "to-do list" post either, considering the late hour it comes off as scum trying to appear active...but I still can't make sense of that first action at all, help me out bro. Out of the options present, I prefer no-lynch... ##Unvote: Sbrubbles ##Vote: No Lynch Why shouldn´t he vote himself as scum? It seems to give the right result. Several people have mentioned that it´s a crazy thing to do as scum, but if it makes him look town, then it IS a good thing to do as scum. | ||
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On April 25 2012 05:35 SamuelLJackson wrote: what do you think happened yesterday --- Toad For me what went wrong was getting back too late, and not fully examining the different cases being discussed at the time. I stayed on MrZentor, and I don´t regret that, but I should have pushed it more. I´d like to think that MrZentor survived the lynch because his scumbuddies made sure there was a no-lynch, but with 7 votes required to vote, I don´t think scum needed to do much to help us with that. What went wrong was us not deciding for ourselves who to lynch. It´s much harder to get a lynch going if you need a majority. | ||
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On April 25 2012 06:09 marvellosity wrote: Well, I could be more aggressive if you like. You big ninny. Any questions for me while we're here? What do you think about snarfs? You and him are the only players I haven´t seen playing before. | ||
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On April 25 2012 06:11 SamuelLJackson wrote: I think Zentor has a fairly decent point here Not to begin with the fact that I was referring to the fact that we had 4 people voting marv and at least 3 more people saying they will vote marv and suddenly out of nowhere everyone screams no-lynch is the way to go. Sadly there's probably not enough mafia in this game to call everyone mafia who were defending their buddy which leaves me with the problem that either a couple of guys are manipulative and the rest is town or I am wrong about marv. However, even if I am wrong that situation was highly strange. Why did everyone back off like that? Anyways. Your turn of asking a question or turning the discussion somewhere else if you like. --- Toad To clarify, you think what happened was that Marvel is scum, he got too close to getting lynched, and everyone changed their mind and went for a no-lynch? I don´t know, it was very close to the lynch and we didn´t have a clear candidate, going for a no-lynch felt right at the time. | ||
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On April 25 2012 06:06 MrZentor wrote: Forumirite. + Show Spoiler + I'M + Show Spoiler + NOT + Show Spoiler + SCUM Any other questions? MrZentor, why do you think prplhz is scum? The things he does that you think are suspicious are not suspicous to me, at least not coming from him. | ||
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On April 25 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote: Having had a look through his filter, he seems to be posting quite normally. Perhaps s&b's case on him was a little forced on him after all. I found his going after me for my 'soft-defences' to be really quite odd. Snarf went after you for soft-defending? Meh, you are not the only one called out for soft-defending. On April 25 2012 06:23 SamuelLJackson wrote: I don't know if marv is scum but I think some of the guys changing their mind last second seem pretty suspicious to me. I just don't know which of those. Radfield sounds like the best bet for tomorrow to me. He's basicly involved as mafia in every scenario I can think of. But that's all under the assumption that we don't have 3 to 4 vets, all being town and all chickening out last second for their own reasons. Was the case on Marvel that strong? What I saw at the time felt like it was more about him staying under the radar than him actually doing anything weird, on the other hand my readthrough was kind of rushed with just an hour before the lynch. There were a few players up for a lynch. If there were scum voting for a no-lynch, then it could have been to defend anyone of the frontrunners. | ||
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On April 25 2012 06:27 Radfield wrote: Oh yeah, I meant to mention this earlier, but I don't think vigilantes should shoot tonight. Knowing whether or not there is a serial killer is going to be really important knowledge. Consider that if we get two kills tonight, the vigilante is not confirmed even if he hits scum. If we only have 1 kill tonight though, then if the vigilante hits on night 2 he can confirm himself when he claims the extra KP. I can't remember if people are informed about protected hits though(or even if that matters), and I gotta run. Makes sense. People are informed if they are roleblocked, which they are by both jailors and roleblockers, but neither the jailed nor the jailor is informed if a kill take place. | ||
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On April 25 2012 06:34 MrZentor wrote: I don't think prphlz is scum anymore. I posted this. I posted that I posted it. Now you're making me post that I posted that I posted it and posted it. Anymore questions? I don´t follow your reasoning, you are saying that prplhz and I must be town because we are going after you, an obvious town who won´t ever get lynched? That sounds like you defending us, while defending yourself at the same time. "Let´s be friends, we´re all town here" | ||
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On April 25 2012 06:49 SamuelLJackson wrote: no the case wasn't strong, it was a Plan-B lynch. A "lynch the lurker" and I thought the other lurkers that were an option (zentor and sbrubbles) were more likely to be town than marv because they have stuff in their filter that makes them look townish. Marv on the other hand had not imo and kind of in Sandros opinion. Don't know what he thought about marv because he wasn't around at that time and still isn't but he thought the other 2 guys are town as well. I think marv's a little weird but I wasn't sure about him being mafia, neither am I right now, still thought it's a decent shot for a lurker. Also he was the only lurker that never got some action. People attacked Zentor for being weird, people (VE) attacked Sbrubbles (god I have to c&p that name every time...) for being a lurker but noone attacked Marv. Why wasn't mafia using that opportunity at all, unless you think I am mafia. That being said: fact that everyone was backing off like crazy paranoid people is weird above anything, no matter of marvs alignment. And no, there were not a couple of guys taking votes. Marv had 4 votes and 3 people saying they're willing to vote him. the next guy had 3 votes and everyone else said they're not going to vote him followed by a bunch of 2 or 1 voters who noone was willing to support either. Marv was the only one who was at danger yesterday. --- Toad Phrased like that, the lynch makes much more sense. My primary objection to a Marvel lynch was acutally that he didn´t have any scumtells, instead that he didn´t show much at all at the time. | ||
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On April 25 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote: People like you doubt my innocence, so obviously the mafia aren't going to kill me when there are vets who seem innocent. So in a way, I guess you're saving my life. Great plan. We saved you but lost the hydra. ##Vote MrZentor | ||
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On April 25 2012 08:08 Snarfs wrote: I'm curious if you think "staying under the radar" is a town-tell or a scum-tell. The reason I called out marvellous are because I thought this "staying under the radar" was a scum-tell, do you think differently? Keep in mind that while I pointed out what I believed were soft-defences of other players (they may have just been marv contributing in his own way), the main emphasis of my point was that that was all he had done at that point in time. How do you expect scum to act? All in your face like MrZentor? Also, VisceraEyes has disappeared again. This does not sit well with me. The other way around, I hadn´t seen anything weird from Marvel, which made me think he was town with a slow start. I understand how several got suspicious of him precisely because he hadn´t done much, I just didn´t pick up on that at the time of the lynch. | ||
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On April 25 2012 08:16 Snarfs wrote: Okay. What do you think of VE disappearing combined with his contributions so far? I don´t like him not being active, that´s unusual. I expect people to be suspicious of him though. Right now I´m grouping him with Marvel, I´ll hold my judgement for a while and see if they start posting substance. | ||
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On April 25 2012 08:36 Ace wrote: I actually think Zentor is the right lynch today. It wasn't until the end of the day yesterday that he really got run up on anyway. So lets get active today. Maybe he'll stop self-voting at L-1. ##vote Mr.Zentor L-1? I have no idea what MrZentor is doing, but it´s definetly not helping Town. He´s a distraction and he´s not doing anything in the thread except trolling and defending himself. I hope he´s got a foolproof claim ready. | ||
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On April 25 2012 09:30 MrZentor wrote: I hope you guys know I'm getting some really good information. Anyways, masons need to claim before I'm gonna point out the scum. What are you doing? Not only is asking the masons to come out a bad idea because they might plan to reveal themselves on later days, but also because we have no idea if we even have any masons. While you are holding your claim, we waste valuable time. Yesterday we got a no-lynch because we didn´t start talking about scum until late in the day. Do you want to force a no-lynch today too? Because if you wait until 6 hours before the lynch and for some reason we don´t lynch you, then the real lynch will be either rushed or not happening at all. If there is any reason why we shouldn´t lynch you, tell us now, don´t waste our time. | ||
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On April 25 2012 09:49 VisceraEyes wrote: I think he's referencing the Majority Lynch system MafiaScum uses where L-1 is the vote before the "hammer-vote". Of course, thanks. At least we don´t have instant-majority lynch here. | ||
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On April 25 2012 09:52 MrZentor wrote: 1. I'll wait for around another 20 hours max for the masons. 2. The case on prphlz was like 3 hours into the game. Of course it's not going to be the best case ever, but I think considering the time is was pretty good. 3. My scum reads will be wildly more accurate if I have their claim, so naturally I would want the masons to claim first. 4. You shouldn't lynch me, because I'm a vanilla town. I don´t care about 2 and 3, and there is no way I could trust 4. I think waiting until half the day is gone is selfish and reckless of you, and if you do that as a VT it would just make it all much worse. I just can´t understand what you are doing. Perhaps if you were a blue, perhaps if you were a mason, but a VT? The only thing that can save you are your words and logic, and neither have helped you so far. You are the primary candidate for the D2 lynch, you are still wasting our time, and you´ve allready admitted that you have nothing to show for it. You even think the masons should give themselves up to maybe give you slightly better odds of avoiding a lynch. I don´t understand what you are trying to do here, I really don´t. | ||
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On April 25 2012 19:11 Radfield wrote: I don't like this Zentor lynch. I feel like the case on Zentor is that he hasn't been playing like a nice safe contributory townie(which is how scum play). Instead he's been playing like he doesn't give a shit and being disruptive and arrogant. It's like he's trying to look as scummy as possible. Please show me a single player who has flipped scum(besides chezinu) who has played a scum game like this. It doesn't happen. Yet it's not uncommon at all for townies to play a style like this. The lynch just feels wrong to me. I don´t like seeing this defence being used once again. The reasoning is that he can´t be scum because he´s acting so obviously scum. If the opinion of TL Mafia is that a player who acts too scummy is town, then scum SHOULD act like MrZentor in order to avoid attention. He´s disrupting the game, he´s stealing time from other discussions, he´s hurting Town, that´s the scum motivation behind this, and why we need to lynch him. | ||
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On April 26 2012 07:00 Radfield wrote: Bugs confirmed that this was a C9++, but ' balanced for TL standards'. I take that to mean that the roles themselves, and how often they appear have been tweaked slightly. Indeed, we can see that a Miller exists, a Jailkeeper exists, and an Innocent Child does not exist. These are all changes, and all changes that move the C9++ in line with 'TL Standards' imo. I also expect that he altered how often masons appear. However, I think it extremely unlikely that he altered something random like the breakdown of one-shot cops and full cops. That's such minutiae that if he was changing those things, it's really no longer a C9++. Okay, sorry but this spawned a few more questions. -Where did WBG say this was based on C9++? He hasn´t mentioned it in this thread. -I agree that there can´t be an Innocent Child in the game, because it would have been revealed allready, but how can you be sure there is a Miller and a Jailkeeper in the game? | ||
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On April 26 2012 09:24 Radfield wrote: Straight up bizarre. No town player should have been remotely suspecting Zentor to get night-killed. There was no way mafia would ever kill him, he was way too massive of a distraction. If you are a townie, ask yourself this: Did you remotely expect Zentor to get killed night 1? I disagree with your analsis in this case. A scummy player who narrowly avoid a lynch sounds like a prime target for a vigi-shot. We are at the same place we were yesterday before the lynch, a nightkill on MrZentor would have given us back this day. Radfield, what about the MrZentor lynch? | ||
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On April 26 2012 09:51 Radfield wrote: I agree with that. Zentor getting vigged would be likely, but that is NOT what VE is referring to. He is specifically postulating that it's strange Zentor was not killed by mafia, even if he doesn't explicitly say it. I bet VE will even confirm that. Why couldn´t he be talking about MrZentor getting shot by a vigilante? That statement doesn´t make sense unless he was talking about a vigishot. Like you said, there´s no way mafia would kill him, but a vigi might. | ||
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On April 26 2012 10:08 Radfield wrote: He specifically says that a lot of people thought Zentor was town. Why would you expect someone who lots of people think is town to get vigged? You wouldn't, you'd expect them to get shot by mafia. Lots of people think is scum -> Expect Vig hit Lots of people think is town -> Expect Mafia hit Yes? prplhz, I'll respond to you in the morning. I think I see your point. VE commented that there were people calling him town during D1 and N1, and those calling him Town wouldn´t shoot him if they were vigis, and scum would definetly not shoot one of the scummiest players in the game. On April 26 2012 10:02 Radfield wrote: Also Forumite, I don't like the Zentor lynch. I think he is town and THAT is a gut read. I've stated before that I just don't see scum motivation for his posting. Townies pull this kind of stunt all the time, and right now I think he is one. His attitude and demeanor all make me think of unafraid town, not ballsy mafia. I was thinking today about how Ace said to keep it simple. But I think that the simple answer is not: "player is blatantly disruptive, therefore he is scum". Fact is 98% of the time scum just try to blend in with town. So the actual simple answer is "player is blatantly disruptive, he's probably an uncaring townie". That's obvious a simplification, but you get the jist. Anyways if he flipped scum I'd be surprised but not shocked. I think VE is a better target by a long shot. We are looking at the same thing, but interpreting it in opposite ways. He´s being disruptive and is hurting town, I think you agree on that too, but you see a townie not caring about appearances, while I see a scum who got found out, and is now making sure to help town as little as possible. I understand why you think scum wouldn´t try to play like that, but that doesn´t mean his play doesn´t benefit scum. | ||
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On April 26 2012 21:15 Sbrubbles wrote: ##unvote MrZentor ##vote VisceraEyes I'll go back to MrZentor if it's necessary for a majority. What are you doing? Fine, you are making your point, you are suspicious of VE, but don´t unvote MrZentor because of that. Have you forgot this is a majority-lynch setup? We are only 12 people alive, but we still need 7 votes to lynch. With you taking your vote off MrZentor that leaves the total at 8, dangerously close to what we need. It will only take 2 more people to unvote and we´re back where we were yesterday, with another no-lynch day. You say you´ll revote if it´s needed for the majority but I can´t take your word for that, since you are the least active player in the game. You say you want to lynch MrZentor, but right now you are jeopardizing his lynch. | ||
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On April 26 2012 22:35 MrZentor wrote: I always wait to use my vote, stupid. Right, thanks for reminding me that you voted yourself. I have no illusions that you want to get yourself lynched, so there are actually only 8 votes on you. Sbrubbles put his vote back on you, but we´re still just two unvotes from another no-lynch. | ||
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On April 27 2012 01:30 MrZentor wrote: Don't worry; I won't change my vote. If you want a mislynch, you're going to get one. I just hope town can make a comeback after my death. + Show Spoiler + Considering town has prphlz and forumite, I doubt that that's going to happen. If I had any doubts about you, you silenced them with that post. There is no way you can be Town, not after the way you´ve been playing. Let´s get this lynch over with. Remember, MrZentor needs just a few players to change their votes to avoid the lynch. Radfield, Bluelightz, you disagree with me on MrZentor, but I wish you´d both consider voting for him anyway. We need your votes in order to make sure nothing happen to prevent the lynch at the last minute. Would you please vote MrZentor, because Town wants this, even though you two do not? | ||
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On April 27 2012 06:56 MrZentor wrote: Forumrite and Prphlz, hopefully in the next game I play with you, you won't be so blinded by emotions. Go quietly, scum. | ||
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On April 27 2012 17:32 phagga wrote: Concerning Sbrubbles: He has never been a man with a huge filter, see Aperture as example. The fact that he tries to come up with his own original points and the way he pushes VE I'm leaning town on him. I hear people saying that sbrubbles is Town and that he´s usually posting this little, but I still want to see more from him. He´s the only lurker right now. | ||
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There are most likely no jailors, SKs or roleblockers, but that´s all we know right now. | ||
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On April 27 2012 19:57 Radfield wrote: Actually, we know how the setup is derived: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++ If you accept that there is no mafia roleblocker, that leaves only 3 possible setups. If you further accept that there is no Serial Killer, that only leaves 1 possible setup. Agreed? Where´s the Miller in C9++? Where´s the Innocent Child in this one? We know that the C9++ setup isn´t used exactly as written, so using it to "prove" the only possible setup is fooling ourselves. We are fairly sure there are is no jailors, SKs or roleblockers, that´s it, everything beyond that is just guesswork. | ||
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Sbrubbles, good to see you back. First question on your Marv-case, why would VE have to vote no-lynch in order to save Marv? There wasn´t much threat to Marv, the case hadn+t built up yet, VE probably didn´t need to go in and save him. | ||
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On April 29 2012 05:34 prplhz wrote: phagga could be scum. What made you think of phagga? | ||
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On April 29 2012 08:29 prplhz wrote: @Forumite You here mate? I´m here. I´m trying to make sense of this but too tired/confused. I was so close to throwing in with Sbrubbles. When I first saw the case it made perfect sense, the distancing, the Radfield+Marv case, where Rad got shot, making the case fall apart, so Marv looks town, while VE gets towncred for scumhunting. Right now I don´t know. Marv made an OMGUS on Sbrubbles, but it wasn´t an OMGUS, he´s so damn calm about it even when half the town are preparing to lynch him. | ||
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On April 29 2012 09:02 prplhz wrote: Totally. Lets lynch somebody else. How about strongandbig? He´s been absent during D3, and I want to hear what he has to say about all the flips. He posts less that Sbrubbles, that´s bad. He´s kind of like Marv during D1, but that doesn´t really make him scummy. For some reason I haven´t thought so much about him. | ||
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On April 29 2012 09:17 prplhz wrote: Isn't "not having thought so much about him" a reason for thinking hard about him? Tomorrow, it's in the middle of the night. | ||
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##Vote marvellosity I´m going to be out of contact for a few hours, should be back about 2 hours before the lynch. I hope it´s enough time to consolidate our votes and avoid a no-lynch. | ||
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prplhz, why strongandbig? What makes you think he´s scummy? I read the same filter and I don´t see it. | ||
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On April 30 2012 05:06 marvellosity wrote: At the very least this is amusing These kinds of posts are not helping you. | ||
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On April 30 2012 05:32 prplhz wrote: Yea, I didn't like that. Two days into the game he makes a case on a guy that Radfield said "reeks of scum", I don't really buy that. Sorry, not following what you are refering to here. | ||
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On April 30 2012 06:03 marvellosity wrote: If you're not gonna vote for Sbrubbles, vote me to avoid a no-lynch. duh I thought you weren´t making a case on Sbrubbles? | ||
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On April 30 2012 06:16 prplhz wrote: @Snarfs, Forumite, Sbrubbles, Can't I convince you guys to lynch somebody else? I think it's pretty obvious that marvellosity is town, look at how he is encouraging people to vote for him for the well being of town rofl, why the hell would a scum do that? He would just be happy if we got a no lynch and he wouldn't sacrifice himself like this. Giving up is actually a scumtell, they stop defending themselves to avoid giving town any more info for later. Then again, town can do that to if they are just too tired to make the effort, like MrZentor. | ||
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On April 30 2012 06:28 prplhz wrote: No, they stop giving info and marvellosity seems very genuine with the information he actually gave us. Telling people to lynch you isn't a scum tell, it's really much more of a town tell. I remember Kenpachi doing the same thing in Steamship Liquidia when scrubs were piling onto him. Why would a scum say "Please lynch me" when he doesn't even have majority? He would say "Don't lynch me" and then he might live another day, he wouldn't give a shit about town well being. The whole point of lynching him right now is town well being because he is town and because people suspect him for some reason. Really, lets just into a lurker that Snarfs decides or something like that. He can flip a coin or whatever, we're a lot better off doing that than lynching marvellosity. Don't compare anyone to MrZentor please. It depends on what people do when you tell them to lynch you. | ||
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On April 30 2012 06:54 phagga wrote: The fact that VE made a case on Marv and Radfield is IMO not a scumtell. It actually made him look townier in my eyes. I think that was the point. | ||
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On April 30 2012 07:02 phagga wrote: explain what? I wrote why I still thought that marv looked townie, and speculating about why VE wrote that case also contains WIFOM. That's why I voted marv, because I thought there is a chance he flips scum. So you would have liked me to go for the no-lynch option? Yeah, found your post, sorry, missed it in the confusion. No, I wouldn´t have wanted a no-lynch, but I wanted the lynch to be decided an hour ago. MrZentor might have been the worst town I´ve seen for several games, and he wasted two days for us, but at least the lynch was decided well in advance. I don´t want anything to happen during those minutes before the deadline. | ||
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On May 02 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote: Bluelightz, what is your opinion of the case Snarfs made agains prplhz and ace? It was extremely compelling to me, but I notice that you have both of them in your "probably town" list. That's very odd to me. I'm glad you "have your doubts" about me being scum, seeing as the only case anyone has made against me is prplhz's "herp derp he's scum guys," and he hasnt even mentioned any of my answers. Also where the fuck is forumite? Does he usually go missing for days at a time with no explanation like this? Still here. I usually don´t do much at night, and then I was tired and went to sleep. S&B, what do you think about BL? | ||
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On May 02 2012 02:45 Forumite wrote: Still here. I usually don´t do much at night, and then I was tired and went to sleep. S&B, what do you think about BL? Nevermind about BL, I don´t want to know right now. D1 lynch - N1 scumkill - SamuelLJackson D2 lynch - MrZentor N2 snarfkill - VisceraEyes N2 scumkill - Radfield D3 lynch - Marvellosity N3 scumkill - snarfs | ||
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On May 02 2012 06:45 strongandbig wrote: Alright I'm just really fucking confused right now. Where did the votes on Phagga come from? I'm by no means convinced that he's town but as far as I can remember no one has even made a real case on him... Forumite can you explain to me why you think Phagga is scummier than Prplhz or Bluelightz? Phagga talks about Sbrubbles all the time, mostly to soft-defend him, that he doesn´t play any different from when they played in the same game earlier. Sbrubbles mentiones Phagga twice, first time ever is an hour before the Marv-lynch. I don´t want to lynch prplhz and BL is off my radar for today. | ||
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Sbrubbles is accusing Radfield. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 12:39 Sbrubbles wrote: Radfield, you are the one looking the most suspicious to me right now. On the Zentor/prplhz exchange, you defend Zentor, but agree with Forumite on Zentor's case on prplhz being weak: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 11:35 Radfield wrote: That is some weak sauce Zentor. Much of this I agree with, though not the last sentence. Zentor does not scream scum to me, at least not yet, and following this course through likely only nets us a dead townie. As you say yourself, only 1/3 of the players have even posted, so no need to be hasty. And now, you're indirectly accusing prplhz, even though there has been no case on him (besides Zentor's, which you implied was weak) and haven't made one of your own. What's up with that? + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 08:43 Radfield wrote: I was serious when I said I was willing to vote VE, however prplhz needs to show up or he might get the vote as well. More to come. ##vote Visceraeyes Also, you were the first to offer to vote VE (without an actual explanation as to why), and waited until someone else appeared voting for him in order to actually cast your vote. Is this merely a coincidence or were you waiting for someone else to accuse and vote him in order for yourself not to stand out? + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 22:26 Radfield wrote: I'm down with a VE vote at this point. On April 23 2012 08:43 Radfield wrote: I agree with Toad, enough about the masons. If in fact they exist, they have enough information and opinions to make their own decision. I was serious when I said I was willing to vote VE, however prplhz needs to show up or he might get the vote as well. More to come. ##vote Visceraeyes Phagga soft-accuses Radfield in response to Sbrubbles accusation. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 16:22 phagga wrote: ok, catching up. game mechanics stuff: - Hydras should sign. Everything else lowers transparency for town. - After reading all the pros and cons, I'd support a mason claim day 2. Reason: Many Vets + 2 masons = too many targets to handle for scum. D3 might be too late because of counterclaim (depends on nightkills and SK situation). On to more important stuff in no particular order: Mr. Zentor: I don't like how his "really long post" was actually not long at all, but only full of quotes. If we ignore the quotes, the post was quite short. So why announce it as long? His case on prplhz was weak, and when asked a second time why he thought that prplhz was still scummy, he never answered. His style is unnecessarily aggresive. VisceraEyes: His Filter shows 5 ingame posts, which is more than I have, but unlike me he is notorious for being very active borderline on spamming, trying to direct people and generally being helpful to town. He is completely lacking these features this game. His townread post is suspicious, I can't remember him making townlists like this in the last games? His behaviour currently reminds of the Bastard game we just were in, where he was SK. Ace: I don't like how he has basically been talking about game mechanics and shown no interest in hunting scum. However, I've read some games where he was in (last was space station) and I think this is part of his D1 play? Not entirely sure. Radfield: He would not have shown up in this list was it not for sbrubbles points. I think they are very legit, and I look forward to Radfields reaction. Sbrubbles makes a (weak) case on Radfield, and Phagga chimes in for fun. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 21:39 phagga wrote: Uh, my impression is that he exactly tried to avoid putting himself in the spotlight. He has 5 posts, which are a town list, 2 defensive posts about himself and zentor, a heart to rad and a post about game mechanics where he also tries to find out more about Aces possible plan(s). That's not putting yourself in the spotlight. Actually, that last post seems a bit strange, now that I read it again. He has not activily participated in this discussion about game mechanics but suddenly seems interested in knowing how Ace would deal with the situation? When I look through his posts again, this one feels out of place in comparison to the others. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 00:08 VisceraEyes wrote: @Ace: I think it looks a lot like your Hypothetical Situation 2. The only issue I have with it is that we don't know if there's a cop OR medic present, where your HS2 was assuming an open setup. Wanna walk me through how your plan works if there are no medics/cops present Ace? Also, he is one of the few people who is not openly supporting a mason claim. @Radfield: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 19:22 Radfield wrote: Marvellosity, you need to step it up. More content please. Also, if you want filters do the work and make them yourself, it takes all of 5 minutes. This is the definition of a 'safe' post. Everything in this post is a popular opinion that has already been mentioned by someone else. It hits slightly on all the major points of this game, without going into detail on any of them. Zentor -> parroting Forumite and talking like Zentor is scum, yet not stating that explicitly nor voting for him. Visceraeyes -> following Toads lead(backed by me), and again indirectly talking as if Visceraeyes is scum(or SK), without actually saying it. Ace and Radfield -> again parroting others points and slinging a bit of mud towards two strong players, without actually calling them out. So phagga, what is your actual opinion here? You seem to think both Zentor and VE are scummy, yet are doing nothing about it. Additionally, I have responded to Shrubbles, what do you think of my response? My problem is that I have a hard time making out something new, something that has not been said yet. There is not much content so far (which is partially my fault), and there is a lot of game mechanics talk that does not really show anything about the alignement of players, specially as pretty much everyone involved in the discussion agrees on the general concept. What exactly do you expect? That I'm going to make stuff up only for the sake of being original? Also, You can believe me or not, but the fact that Ace was only talking about game mechanics and not trying to scum hunt crossed my mind before he was called out for this by someone else. Alas, I was too slow, so it looks like I'm parroting. I'm still a bit undecided on who to vote on, which is way I have not voted yet. I think it is going to be VisceraEyes for now, but I want to read through Zentors filter first. 1 I agree with you that it's no issue. 2 So you just fling some mud into a vets direction without any hard facts? 3So you have a good reason to vote VE, but withhold because... well, you keep us in the dark why you are not telling us. why can't you tell us? Is the explanation going to be so long, are you waiting for more info? I don't see you as scum atm. I just thought that sbrubbles actually saw two good points (the second and the third) and I wanted to point out that I share his sentiment and that I want your reaction too. Phagga telling everyone that Sbrubbles not posting much is normal. + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2012 17:32 phagga wrote: Where the wild VE: He is my next top suspect, which is probably not very surprising. I already was suspicious of him on D1. I wrote back then that I got the feeling he improved, this changed again on D2. Several good points have been made about him, I'm not gonna reiterate everything. He looks extremely unmotivated through the whole game. He has almost only delivered thoughts on players when asked for it, and his change of play is so absurdely different from what we're used from him that I doubt he really is town. prplhz: He is suspicious at least. Had Zentor turned scum, he would have been semi-confirmed town after tunneling him so hard. Now it's possible he just used it as an excuse to not participate in scum hunting D2. He voted Snarfs on D1 without any reason after attacking Zentor already. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 00:52 prplhz wrote: "being scum" is a pretty good reason for lynching people but I don't know if anybody is scum. I think that his defense of MrZentor was really weird and he's no where near as active as I'd like him to be. I don't want to lynch him as much as I want to lynch MrZentor right now but I think that a lot of people still need to speak up before I can make my mind up. MrZentor is the best thing right now in my opinion but I don't think it's bulletproof at all. On April 24 2012 01:36 prplhz wrote: ##Vote Snarfs On April 24 2012 05:32 prplhz wrote: Yea I'm against Radfield/Ace/SamuelLJackson lynches too, lets stop even discussing them. 90 minutes until lynch, I'll be here up until deadline (horay eurofriendly deadlines!) Honestly, if I had a gun I'd shoot MrZentor. His initial aggression seems fake to me and he's pretty much quit this game and apparently doesn't want to be a part of the lynch. It's just too much bullshit and I see no explanation for this. I think he should be our go-to-lynch today. @phagga Why are you buddying me? Especially, you complain when marvellosity voted for Snarfs because he did so on bad reasonable, but I never ever put any reasonable at all and you didn't complain about that. prplhz, you never explained why you voted snarf, what was up with that? Also note how he was active at game start, but then gradually got less active, and has been lurking almost all of D2 (his last post is over 30 hours old). All this together make him suspicious for me, but it's not enough to lynch him today. I really look forward to hear some scum suspects from him including some reasoning why. Marv: From staying under the radar to blatantly sheeping Ace, he has pretty much not put any effort into finding scum. His case on Radfield centered around Rad defending Zentor. I know people say he is a good late game player, but that's also a great excuse for a scum to just do nothing the first 3 days until it's almost too late for town. Also, there is quite some material of every player to analyze, so I don't really see why he should not try to come up with is own reads by now. Concerning Bluelightz: Besides sbrubbles he is the only one I have played several games with (Werewolves 2, Aperture and Bastard). The way he is putting effort in this game seems rather townish to me. While I do see Aces point about Bluelightz switching targets and therefore risking to derail the discussion, I rather think that this is Bluelightz not thinking twice about what effects his behaviour has (see DFM2 for an extreme example), or overthinking what effects his behaviour has. In my experience, when he is active like this and when some effort is visible, he is probably town. Concerning Sbrubbles: He has never been a man with a huge filter, see Aperture as example. The fact that he tries to come up with his own original points and the way he pushes VE I'm leaning town on him. You don´t trust Sbrubbles, but you don´t think he´s scum, wut? + Show Spoiler + On May 01 2012 18:44 phagga wrote: Everyone: Get Active! We are probably still 5 townies vs 2 scum. Let's not get into the same situation as D3 again. What are your reads people, share your thoughts! Ace: Why did you not push Bluelightz harder on D3? You voted him about 9 hours before the deadline but then spend time discussing other stuff. sbrubbles: I don't like his lurky style, although I know it is not unusual for town-sbrubbles. His banter with VE on D2 (which really seemed to piss VE off) makes me think he is not scum, same as his vote on VE on D1. I'll read through s&b's filter again after lunch. Sbrubbles first post about Phagga, calling him back to talk about the lynch. + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2012 06:09 Sbrubbles wrote: An hour left till deadline. I still think marv is scum and needs to be lynched. I think Strongandbig is town and, although he is on the radar for me, I'm not sure about Ace being scum. Strongandbig, Bluelightz and Ace, are your town reads on marvelosity strong enough that you refuse to consolidate? Phagga, where the heck are you? Sbrubbles second post on Phagga, saying that he doesn´t have an opinion yet. + Show Spoiler + On May 02 2012 05:33 Sbrubbles wrote: Hey guys. I really thought I had a good case on Marv yesterday, but that didn't pan out, so I feel messed up. I don't know what to think of bluelightz. I don't like his posting style, but I don't have a scum read on him. I also can't read Forumite, so I have them both as null. Of the people being talked about here, I think I'd go for a prplzh lynch, based mostly on Snarf's case, but I'm really unsure. His strongandbig push, his attitude D3, his unvote all felt strange to me. Phagga has promised "more to come" and prhplz has just voted him, so I'll wait for them to make their arguments to try to make a better decision. I'm studying right now, but I'll be reading the thread sporadically. Tonight I'll have more time to post. | ||
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On May 02 2012 20:08 Sbrubbles wrote: Well, I'm not gonna be around for the last minute shuffle today, so I've got to cast my vote and get out of here. ##vote prplhz @Forumite, if your case is that he's somehow linked to me and I have a null read on him (same as on you), it's pretty obvious I would end up indirectly defending him. But w/e, maybe this will be a discussion topic tomorrow, if I don't die. I don´t like that when I finally get a reaction from you, you say you are going offline until the lynch. | ||
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On May 03 2012 06:18 strongandbig wrote: Why don't you want to lynch prplhz over phagga? I do want to lynch prplhz over phagga. I think prplhz is town, that´s why I don´t want to lynch him. I think phagga looks scummy, that´s why, if the lynch is between prplhz and him, I´m voting phagga. I imagine it´s the same, but reverse, for you, yes? | ||
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On May 03 2012 07:00 prplhz wrote: lol second guess yourself 5000 times = bleh should just have let him lynch himself but he's like confirmed scum now. I hate those minutes right before the lynch. | ||
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On May 03 2012 08:38 prplhz wrote: done with this game, shit goes down but no one around to talk to. i know you're here forumite but you're not saying a thing. Yeah, still here. What´s there to say? We have a lot to talk about tomorrow after the daypost, but right now I´d rather wait and reread what happened. It´s night, I don´t expect there to be blues left to direct, so anything we say now only give scum tips on who to shoot. | ||
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On May 03 2012 08:55 prplhz wrote: i had to reread thrice 'cause you actually just asked "what's there to say?" a guy just voted himself and then unvoted himself all within 10 minutes before deadline. how do you feel about this and why? your opinions now please. this "give scum tips" is a myth perpetuated by scum who want an excuse not to say anything. I disagree, giving our reads now show scum who to shoot, or not to shoot. If we talk about how player X is scum, then scum will definetly not shoot him during the night. Not saying anything means that we might get lucky, and scum acutally shoot someone we would probably have lynched the next day anyway. It´s happened before, that scum shoot my primary scumsuspect, that´s why I prefer not giving it away during the night. | ||
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On May 03 2012 09:24 prplhz wrote: you already said "why aren't we lynching phagga after this stunt" and now you're saying "i don't want to give scum information about my phagga read" does not compute please tell me what you think of phagga (that he's scum) and tell me how you came to this conclusion Phagga is scum because of his stunt before the deadline. The selfvoting was a scummove. He tried it in order to show townieness, hoping someone would get unsure, like you was, prplhz. We were very unlikely to vote him, since he´d allready hammered himself, so it was more or less safe to unvote himself to a no-lynch afterwards. Once he did unvote himself, it was too late to vote him. From my perspective it worked perfectly. | ||
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On May 03 2012 09:38 prplhz wrote: do you think this gambit was worth it for scum considering that the alternative was a no lynch? if nobody had reacted at all then he would be confirmed scum by unvoting himself. how do you think his scum buddy felt about this gambit? If he was town he should have let himself get lynched, so we wouldn´t be having this WIFOM-discussion now. | ||
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On May 03 2012 09:47 prplhz wrote: yea fuck it lets just lynch ace tomorrow It´s things like this that give scum tips on who to shoot/not shoot during the night. | ||
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On May 03 2012 09:58 prplhz wrote: yea 'cause scum aren't as prone as townies to needlessly second guess themselves in the name of WIFOM They are more likely to second guess themselves if we don´t tell them our reads during the night | ||
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On May 05 2012 09:58 Ace wrote: How many times are we gonna rehash the same thing? Does anyone have a NEW perspective? We're just stalling this game right now. The important thing is winning, I don´t care about how fast we do it. If waiting until tomorrow gives us a better chance of lynching right, why not wait? | ||
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Last night decided it for me. The first time Phagga got under real pressure the whole game it was a very close vote, and ended with him doing a weird stunt 3 minutes before the deadline to screw town over. ##Unvote no-lynch ##Vote Phagga | ||
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GG Town, a real nailbiter. I was getting really nervous when BL and then others started calling me and Ace scummy, especially S&B who pointed out the last scum last night. | ||
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On May 06 2012 07:27 Sbrubbles wrote: Also, who were you guys going to kill tonight? I would guess bluelightz Yeah, BL was really the only option. Killing you or Phagga would undermine the whole case, and prplhz was agreeing with me. On May 06 2012 07:27 prplhz wrote: no it's good forumite i think wherebugsgo was pretty fair in his nightpost. i was much more of a nuisance than a boon hopefully it'll be better next time.Nah, not your fault. You trusting me helped me a lot, but it was the general atmosphere that cost Town the game. Accusations were being thrown back and forth, everyone looked scummy so us scum could blend in, and even get away with crappy cases like the one on Phagga. | ||
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On May 06 2012 10:03 Snarfs wrote: I really should have rethought prplhz more because before the end of day 3 I wasn't really finding him suspicious at all. But, like I said, learned a ton. Thanks everyone! prplhz was 100% town, he just thought I was town too. | ||
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On May 06 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote: I rather think it's on Zentor not to behave like a douchebag I´m agreeing with Marv here. Even if I was a townie in this game, I would still have pushed MrZentor just as hard, tunneling him until he died, not caring if he was anti-town or scum. | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:40 Sbrubbles wrote: One thing: this was a mafia victory and would have probably been so even if it went to lylo, but still, we never got to see that because a townie chose to suicide (suiciding at mylo = not playing your win con). Shouldn't self voting be disallowed, at least in these circumstances? I´m not complaining. Still, tricky situation. Generally weird stunts should be allowed to play out, because otherwise we can get info about the game by wether or not the GM steps in. If the GM steps in and disqualifies the lynch because Phagga was playing against his wincon, then we know Phagga is Town. WBG could have ruled a no-lynch then modkilled Phagga, but that wouldn´t change the end-result. | ||
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