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So now that I think about it, I don't really like that idea at all lol. Town can't keep assuming things this game. It'll make an ass out of u and me. We don't know how many of what roles there are and continuous speculation isn't going to help at all. | ||
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On April 21 2012 11:16 MidnightGladius wrote: If we all agree for all vigs to claim, then this is what happens: 0 vig claims: There are no vigs. Simple enough. 1 vig claim: There is either 1 vig, or a scum faking the claim. We have the vig claim their shot. If the shot hits, and we have a tracker, we can keep tracking the vig claim, meaning that a fakeclaiming scum would never be able to shoot until the tracker died. If the shot doesn't hit, and the jailkeepers know not to jail the vig's target, then we have confirmed scum between the vig and the target. In this case, as long as the mafia team doesn't know the real role distribution, they can't risk fake-claiming. This is good for town. 2-3 vig claims: There are 0-3 vigs, and either no scum faking claims, or some number of them. Each vig claims and shoots a different target during Night 1. Day 2, we sort them into two groups based on whether or not their shots hit. If the shot hit, we set it aside, and we focus on the group whose shots didn't hit. For each such vig, either that player has no KP (therefore GF), or their target was a GF. We lynch both of them. Either they flip GF and townie (case 1) or GF and GF (case 2). In case 1, great, we can do normal analysis on the flipped GF. In case 2, we have to be a bit more careful, but it's still a 1-for-1 trade. If all of the shots hit, then we know that there are no actual GFs fakeclaiming, and any lynched non-vig-claim flipping GF is an actual GF. 4+ vig claims: There are 0-3 vigs, and some number of scum faking claims. We use the same plan as in the above case. However, if all of the shots hit, then in addition to there being no GFs in the group, we know that there are one or more goons among the group, which is awesome. This is all assuming, of course, that any JKs follow the plan by not jailing any of the vig claims or their targets, but I think that that should be doable. Additionally, scum have no incentive to shoot vig claims, because a night-killed "Godfather" can only be a vig, making it a lot easier for us to figure out lynched players flipping GF. Gonzaw's points about preventing chaos during later vig claims/GF lynches is also quite valid. VE, I don't see what you don't like about the plan. There's only 3 blue roles. | ||
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On April 21 2012 11:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Paq he's talking about if there are more than 3 CLAIMS. If there are more than three CLAIMS then there's guaranteed to be a liar in the bunch, which is what he's saying. Now go be a good lad and vote for gonzaw. I'm not convinced that he made a scum slip. When he said "our" he could have been referring to whoever agreed with his points. I want to see what Gonzaw has to say about your accusation. | ||
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some of gonzaw's points however are pretty valid (no late-game chaos with vig claiming before lynch, etc etc). Either way, I can't see a vig following either one of y'alls policies. He claims, town lynches him and nothing is gained. He claims, chance of mafia taking him out or keeps him alive, either way there's chaos. I suggest that our vigilante (if we have one) doesn't claim at all. If he's about to be lynched then he needs to defend himself as a normal townie because claiming vig is going to create a shitstorm for us, which gives scum the upper hand. If he's going to use his kp one someone, he doesn't need to claim before or after the kill. It's going to create too much confusion and WIFOM and finger-pointing and shit. So I think that vigilantes should not make any claims this game. | ||
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On April 21 2012 13:10 Mattchew wrote: To elaborate This reads to me as "i don't want to take a side, i want to look like i like both sides to the argument" also, lets change subject (but wait, read on) apology post and leave to get away from being wrong. Interestingly filmsy opinion again, to me this just feels like he has more information than I do I know how much we love the 3rd and 4th person to jump on an opinion and now that he knows people will agree with him, he can be firm in his assertion lolwut? You can disregard my first post because I do end up choosing a side. I don't like either one of their policies. Killing our only KP roles sounds blatantly stupid, but so does forcing them to claim. Trying to control them and tell them where to aim is going to be chaos. What if it's a GF that claims vigi? We wont know if he's lying or not because his target could coincidentally be jailed. Or what if the whole mafia team claims along with the vigis? It'll be a shitstorm. Yes killing our KP would stop that scenario from happening but then we'd have to rely on lynches and our trackers (if we have any). And what if the trackers suck at persuading people? It's a bunch of what-if's and WIFOM that is getting us NO WHERE. So I'm pleading to all our vigi's, if they want to be pro-town then DONT CLAIM. Your first three quotes are empty one-liners, they don't prove anything and I don't see at all how they make you FoS me. I know how much we love the 3rd and 4th person to jump on an opinion and now that he knows people will agree with him, he can be firm in his assertion Nobody has agreed with me on MY opinion, so where is that conclusion coming from?? | ||
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On April 21 2012 12:23 gonzaw wrote: WARNING, Big Post coming up, be sure to read all of it, or at least the end and the part between the red asterisks: To VE: Scum already have the info of who is town and who is scum. Like someone else already stated, if we lynch a vig, he will flip GF, and we won't know if he's vig or GF, but scum will. Also, you missed this post of mine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=10#187 This plan isn't about "giving scum information", it's about: -Coordinating vig shots at night (if there are in this game) -Avoiding the chaos regarding the "Flips GF" Miller mechanic from vigs -Force scum to take action and claim or not. -Based on the logical statements concluded from actions and claims, use it to aid scumhunting and determining the alignment of players and their actions. I don't understand that one part. How does this force scum to claim? Why would they lie in the first place and claim vigi? It seems smarter to just act as a normal town and avoid the attention that the vigi would get. | ||
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On April 21 2012 13:30 johnnywup wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 10:18 PaqMan wrote: So what's the plan? just stupid question without content when theres already stuff being discussed, isnt paying attention to where threads going On April 21 2012 10:49 PaqMan wrote: I like Gonzaw's idea of the vig's claiming. Only problem with that is that Scum will have a list of vig's and won't have to do any sniping.. So now that I think about it, I don't really like that idea at all lol. Town can't keep assuming things this game. It'll make an ass out of u and me. We don't know how many of what roles there are and continuous speculation isn't going to help at all. Agrees, disagrees, then says it's not even worth talking about + Show Spoiler + doesn't even read the posts he's talking about, (RTFT) On April 21 2012 11:43 PaqMan wrote: Woops, I'm sorry! Scarface is on tv and I'm trying to multitask. It isn't working out obviously, so I'll be back in about three hours. excuses to stay away from thread, scarface is less than 3 hours so trying to get more time away than the movie provides On April 21 2012 11:49 PaqMan wrote: I'm not convinced that he made a scum slip. When he said "our" he could have been referring to whoever agreed with his points. I want to see what Gonzaw has to say about your accusation. unwilling to take a stance despite responding to it, basically just says "wait for gonzaw to respond to it" On April 21 2012 12:01 PaqMan wrote: But I do agree with you VE. Giving scum any more info puts them in an even greater advantage over us. A mass vig claim would be the same as handing them a hit list. some of gonzaw's points however are pretty valid (no late-game chaos with vig claiming before lynch, etc etc). Either way, I can't see a vig following either one of y'alls policies. He claims, town lynches him and nothing is gained. He claims, chance of mafia taking him out or keeps him alive, either way there's chaos. I suggest that our vigilante (if we have one) doesn't claim at all. If he's about to be lynched then he needs to defend himself as a normal townie because claiming vig is going to create a shitstorm for us, which gives scum the upper hand. If he's going to use his kp one someone, he doesn't need to claim before or after the kill. It's going to create too much confusion and WIFOM and finger-pointing and shit. So I think that vigilantes should not make any claims this game. like you said, only argues for something that has already gained traction. individually all these aren't that scummy but together it looks super scummy Already gained traction? As far as I can tell there's only two sides here. VE's kill-all-vigi's and Gonzaw's all-vigi's-claim. Neither of those options are going to help Town. I'm the only one pushing for vigi's to stay silent. I've already said that Scarface was on and I was trying to multitask until I shut off the TV. There's nothing else I can say about the posts besides being poorly written. | ||
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On April 21 2012 13:34 gonzaw wrote: IMPORTANT NOTICE: I've already explained all about the plan. All these "criticisms" by johnny, Paqman, etc have already been addressed, so if you want to check them out please just reread my filter. For instance, this: It's already been addressed properly, so PaqMan please reread my posts. So I'd like not to waste time arguing about it ad nauseaum while going nowhere. So vigs, please reread it, analyse it, and make the right choice by claiming right now, or at least way before the lynch (specially if you are a lynch candidate). Or how about the vigi's DONT CLAIM AT ALL so that scum can't call vigi right before they get lynched and throw everything into disorder? Plus save the vig from possibly getting killed N1. | ||
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Seeing as you're the most outspoken in this thread and you're really pushing your agenda I think your green. After a quick read through Johnny's posts I get a green feel from him. So far Mattchew has been lurking besides his FoS on me. I want to see him post more tomorrow. I'm too tired to make a posts that contributes so I'm going to bed now. | ||
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On April 21 2012 11:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Just wondering, what's the chance gonzaw's not mafia but just making an extremely retarded point? At any rate, what I don't get is number 6. If I was GF pretending to be vig, I'd shoot as many of the other vigs as I could. And if I was JK, I'd protect those vigs who I trust to be either town vigs or some other blues. He's apparently not aware of the role powers. JK's also roleblock and GF's can't kill. Plus it's weird that that's his only post so far. I don't like it. Zepphird already told us he'd be back in a few hours so I look forward to seeing what he has to say. Mattchew's only real contribution is his FoS on me. The weird thing is that he calls me out on not choosing a side after I clearly have, but avoids the whole topic of discussion altogether. Very hypocritical. The next weird thing is how he hands over his FoS to Johnny and immediately leaves the discussion. Mattchew looks the scummiest to me. | ||
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I think he'd be a good candidate for a vigi shot. I'm voting for mattchew. Dude's scummy as hell. Also, On April 21 2012 10:15 Bill Murray wrote: We're not going to be able to outguess the mod based upon the numbers we sent in That's his only post since the game has started. He'd be a good vigi shot as well. ##Vote: Mattchew | ||
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On April 21 2012 23:17 BroodKingEXE wrote: /confirm Ok, here is my thought on the matter. Revealing the vig roles is a bad idea in my mind. This is because of the possible hits of vig's. We don't know how exciting this game is going to be; we very well could have bored townies due to the size of the game. If we have vig's having to aim at lurkers, as a town we gain no info as the vig could have made an honest mistake. Also what if the mafia choose to circumvent the situation and not fake-claim. The Mafia kills before the Millers we would have wasted our two shots. There is really no way for a vig to get a shot off and figure out the alignment of the player in question unless we target them on the lynch. What are your thoughts on the current events? Do you think VE is right to call out Gonzaw as scum? What do you think about Mattchew and Marvellosity? What about me?? You're bringing up old discussion. Whoever the vig's are, they're going to decide for themselves whether or not to claim regardless of what we say. | ||
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On April 21 2012 09:24 Mattchew wrote: what about roleblockers laya? Okay, a question regarding laya's plans.. Where's the discussion on it? Do you think he's right, wrong, crazy? You just asked him a question but you don't follow up on it. You don't voice your opinion on the discussion or anything. You chip in a quick question and disappear.. You're actively lurking, making it look like your participating in discussion, but keeping away from attention and avoiding choosing a side and stating an opinion. On April 21 2012 13:03 Mattchew wrote: Yo anyone else reading paqman's posts... cause you guys should... scummy as fuck Scummy as fuck how? + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 13:10 Mattchew wrote: To elaborate This reads to me as "i don't want to take a side, i want to look like i like both sides to the argument" also, lets change subject (but wait, read on) apology post and leave to get away from being wrong. Interestingly filmsy opinion again, to me this just feels like he has more information than I do I know how much we love the 3rd and 4th person to jump on an opinion and now that he knows people will agree with him, he can be firm in his assertion 1 & 2) there's nothing much I can say about that first post other than the fact that I was watching Tony kill his ex boss. I tried multitasking but I couldn't keep up with the thread while watching TV. Don't believe me? Well there's nothing else I can say. It was pretty apparent how little attention I was giving the thread during the first few hours. 3) I don't see how I had a flimsy opinion. I clearly stated that I didn't think Gonzaw made a scumslip, and I wanted to see his explanation for saying "our". 4) I'm not sure what you meant by this? I was making my stance on the subject at hand. Besides the FoS that I quoted above Mattchew hasn't contributed jack to the thread. He's the scummiest so far and unless he starts improving then my vote stays on him. | ||
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On April 21 2012 23:32 layabout wrote: The Paqman case is forced as all hells. + Show Spoiler + I know how much we love the 3rd and 4th person to jump on an opinion and now that he knows people will agree with him, he can be firm in his assertion Because people are giving opinions there will inevitably be people who give opinions that other already have. Paqman was the 2nd to say that vigilantes should not claim + Show Spoiler + (after VE, johnny also seems to support the idea but didn't take this stance Sentinel doesn't count because he didn't read the OP and his opinion cannot have had much grounding). + Show Spoiler + Interestingly filmsy opinion again, to me this just feels like he has more information than I do Paqman's comment is reasonable. VE's vote is dependent on a particular interpretation of the use of the word "our". Nobody should be convinced by it!Not being convinced is reasonable. Wanting to see how a player reacts to an accusation before judging them is reasonable I am wondering how mattchew ended up "feeling" like this comment in any way indicated that Paqman had more information than him. + Show Spoiler + just stupid question without content when theres already stuff being discussed, isnt paying attention to where threads going + Show Spoiler + I would argue that not reading a post but responding to it anyway shows that you are not being careful about what you post. It shows a lack of fear from somebody with nothing to hide. Scum are the ones that pay careful attention to the game mechanics. Put simply, not reading the thread but posting whatever the fuck you want is a town trait. So what do you think about Mattchew? | ||
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On April 22 2012 01:23 Mementoss wrote: My current thoughts: Mattchew: Here is the whole OMGUS case against him: What is this I don't even. He contributed more than most people, that didn't even post or just posted agreeing statments. Like VE I think this was meant to be pressure towards you on fishy behaviour. Your OMGUS case also makes you seem more scummy as well as someone jumping right to your defense. Overall: Leaning Town Contributed more than most people, lol wut? I hope you're not serious. And you're wrong, that's not the whole case on him and I wouldn't call it OMGUS either. + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 23:41 PaqMan wrote: So finally I'm presenting my case against Mattchew. All posts before this one are just fluff. This is where it gets interesting. Okay, a question regarding laya's plans.. Where's the discussion on it? Do you think he's right, wrong, crazy? You just asked him a question but you don't follow up on it. You don't voice your opinion on the discussion or anything. You chip in a quick question and disappear.. You're actively lurking, making it look like your participating in discussion, but keeping away from attention and avoiding choosing a side and stating an opinion. Scummy as fuck how? + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 13:10 Mattchew wrote: To elaborate This reads to me as "i don't want to take a side, i want to look like i like both sides to the argument" also, lets change subject (but wait, read on) apology post and leave to get away from being wrong. Interestingly filmsy opinion again, to me this just feels like he has more information than I do I know how much we love the 3rd and 4th person to jump on an opinion and now that he knows people will agree with him, he can be firm in his assertion 1 & 2) there's nothing much I can say about that first post other than the fact that I was watching Tony kill his ex boss. I tried multitasking but I couldn't keep up with the thread while watching TV. Don't believe me? Well there's nothing else I can say. It was pretty apparent how little attention I was giving the thread during the first few hours. 3) I don't see how I had a flimsy opinion. I clearly stated that I didn't think Gonzaw made a scumslip, and I wanted to see his explanation for saying "our". 4) I'm not sure what you meant by this? I was making my stance on the subject at hand. Besides the FoS that I quoted above Mattchew hasn't contributed jack to the thread. He's the scummiest so far and unless he starts improving then my vote stays on him. ^THAT is my case. You quoted the wrong post. Paqman: I don't think the case that Matthchew put against you was amazing, but it definitly pointed out some inconsistencies and wishy washyness, and made you post something other than, yeah I agree with gonzaw. It also showed your OMGUS reaction. Overall: Null leaning scum The only thing his fos pointed out was my obvious lack of attention in the thread, which I already explained if you cared enough to read my posts. All Mattchew has done was throw together a poorly-crafted analysis on me that made no sense. He dropped in, made his fos, and left just as quickly all the while completely avoiding the entire discussion and avoiding giving his own opinion on the subject at hand. He's the scummiest one here right now. and made you post something other than, yeah I agree with gonzaw. That's ridiculous. Dude please go back and read my posts before you start pointing fingers. I never agreed with gonzaw. All of my posts have been a) Opposing Gonzaw's plan and b) putting up cases against Mattchew. | ||
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On April 22 2012 02:31 Mattchew wrote: I don't think Gonzaw's plan is scummy, however I don't agree with scum being forced into acting the way he thinks they will. Then what do you agree on? You're doing exactly what you accused me of, the "middle of the road opinion". On April 22 2012 02:31 Mattchew wrote: Also, I never commented on the vig plans cause I don't care about blues, That's why you completely refused stating an opinion on the current event or even mentioning it? That's a poor excuse to avoid choosing a side. | ||
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On April 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote: As I said before in the thread I don't like to discuss or direct blues. Why would i partake in a conversation that I don't care at all about? Instead I am actively trying to find scum, not yelling at everyone that disagrees with me and calling them scummy like you, VE, Risen, and Paqman. You're not helping Town at all by refusing to discuss the main topic and staying silent. If you made more comments on the discussion then I'd have more posts from you to analyze. Instead the only thing I have to look at is the FoS you made which paints you as scum. D1 discussions are good and important, especially if they are about how our blue roles should play. Why you would completely abstain from such discussion makes you iffy. + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote: I care what is happening in the thread, just not for the actual vig conversation. I am a suspicious of VE because he seems to be convinced by very little that you are scum. I am still suspicious of Paqman because he has seemed to tunnel me because he was pressured. I am suspicous of St Daniel because that first post was fucking terrible. I'm less suspicous of marv but I do like the players pushing him (laya and blazing) as they seem townie to me. I am now going out to dinner a movie with the girlfriend... I might be back on in like 6 - 7 hours if she falls asleep before me. I'm not tunneling you because I was "pressured". I'm doing it because of the way you've been acting since the game has started. Scummy. | ||
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On April 22 2012 08:08 Mattchew wrote: Posting from my phone... I said before I wanted to see what ve was up to so that means I'm suspicious of it. Why waste space with an I don't care post that's stupid, spammy and retarded. I haven't ignored anything so don't e stupid we are 24 hours into the game I just haven't posted on everything like yourself... Paqman your either scum or stupid You've ignored everything else that's been going on in the thread until I called you out on it. Now you're making remarks about VE and others. If you think I'm scum then by all means throw down a case but please do a better job than the last one. On April 22 2012 08:09 ghost_403 wrote: @paqman: I have you down as an idiot (sorry). You're not paying close attention to the thread and not thinking through what you say. I'm not ready to say town or scum, and I don't like making cases for or against players when I think there is scum that we should be frying. Mattchew has nothing of content in his filter, and I don't have anything substantial in my notes on him. It will be interesting to see if that improves as we get further into the game. Can you elaborate on what I'm not thinking through? I've already explained my first 2 posts the lack of attention. | ||
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On April 22 2012 08:46 ghost_403 wrote: @paq: Why do you care so much what I think about you? I'm not going to try and lynch you today, and I don't think that your alignment says anything about Mattchew. @marv: I agree with gonzaw. Stop giving us excuses and help us find scum. Pending the results of his usefulness, I think I'm not disinclined to lynching Marv today. You avoided my question. You already told me what you think of me. I asked you to elaborate on what I'm not "Thinking through" as you claim. | ||
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BH or BJ, whatever the hell you are. You whine way too much. Marv hasn't done anything helpful, but neither has Bill Murray or the other 7 afk's. Ghost has done nothing to contribute as well, go read his filter. useless townie =/= scum. | ||
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On April 22 2012 09:02 BlazingJitsu wrote: I'm gonna have to explain this? Really? Do you really not know the difference between an active player several large posts, saying nothing deliberately-- and someone NOT posting anything? My god. -Blazinghand Several? You said so yourself, two decent sized posts. Not "several large posts". Quit getting your panties in a wad. | ||
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On April 22 2012 09:10 BlazingJitsu wrote: Looks like I have to spell it out: Marv has posted several times under the pretenses of contributing. He is not an inactive player. He is lurking in plain sight. He has refused several times to present cases and scumreads. This is scummy. Are you just not very bright or what -Blazinghand No, I just hate how you use caps and pictures so much. You're annoying. | ||
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On April 22 2012 09:11 BlazingJitsu wrote: Make a case, then. Call him out. Vote him and make him respond. The case against Marv is against a guy who's post more words than Ghost, more paragraphs, all full to the brim with emptiness. Help a brotha out -Blazinghand I was questioning him for a reason, I want him to post more. But I'm stubborn and so far nothing has convinced me that Mattchew isn't scum. | ||
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On April 22 2012 09:11 ghost_403 wrote: @paqman: I really don't understand why I have to waste my time responding to this, but here it goes. That note stems directly from your "There can't be more than 3 vigs" comment. Apparently, it's because you were paying attention to something else. Okay, that's fine, whatever. Why do you keep bringing this up? Who cares? Stop watching TV while posting, and find scum. As a town, we have better things to do than discuss why you did something dumb. When people quit using my lack of attention as reasons for suspicion then I'll quit repeating myself. And you're right, we do have better things to discuss. Why haven't you been contributing? You're obviously not too busy, seeing as your able to respond to my questions. So what's with the lack of content? | ||
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On April 22 2012 07:50 ghost_403 wrote: @BJ + Show Spoiler + lol VE is probably scum. Accusing gonzaw of a scumslip is just terribad, and someone of his experience should know better. Also, the idea of a JK working against the town is such a fashion is WTF bad. If he was a noob, I would give him a pass, but he's not. He should know better than that. Sentinel obviously rolled scum this game. His filter has nothing of content, and when layabout called him out, it took him 15 minutes to unlurk, at which point he added nothing to the conversation. He's here, but not contributing at all. I think he would make an excellent Day 1 lynch. VE is probably scum. Is that all you've come up with? He's probably scum, so what are you gonna do? Oh, nothing at all. lolz Sentinel obviously rolled scum this game. His filter has nothing of content, Hmm, sounds familiar... He's here, but not contributing at all. I think he would make an excellent Day 1 lynch. Are we talking about Sentinel or you? Those points aside, you're leaning towards scum with me and you're a very hypocritical person. The things that bother me most about you is that you don't take action against those you think is scum. You don't do anything! I think you're a possible scum and if Mattchew doesn't convince me he's town then you're getting my vote | ||
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On April 22 2012 09:42 Mattchew wrote: From the phone again during 21 jump street (it's actually pretty funny) There is a large correalation between calling bh annoying and being town... Also, aside from tunneling me (I believe mostly cause I called him out) he hasn't been too scummy since my case on him. Paq just cause i don't care for gonzaws plan doesn't mean i think he's scum.. I don't know why you insist I connect the two... Can we please get more opinions on st Daniel kthx say wut? I said nothing about you caring for Gonzaw's plan. It's your lack of input, content, and talking that bothers the hell out of me. You blatantly refusing to participate doesn't help Town at all. You blatantly refusing to voice your opinion on such matters paints you red. That part aside, I can't believe you're making me quote myself. + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 07:45 PaqMan wrote: I'm not tunneling you because I was "pressured". I'm doing it because of the way you've been acting since the game has started. Scummy. | ||
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On April 22 2012 11:05 Mattchew wrote: Visceraeyes is still looking scummy too. he needs to start making sense of his nonsense case or I will vote him to be lynched. Gonzaw you've given a list of like 5 to lynch today, 2 of which I agree with VE and St Daniel, 1 of which I haven't read enough into (sent, I'm still on my phone and he's been posting a lot) and 2 which I dont agree with (myself, duh, and risen, cause of meta). You asked people to look into paqman's case on me which revolves around me not talking about your plan in the thread and then he calls me actively lurking less than like 24 hours into the game. do you actualy believe this crap? On April 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote: Why would i partake in a conversation that I don't care at all about? You were actively lurking. You've admitted it yourself and I don't understand why you're going to make me spell it out to you for the fourth time. PAY ATTENTION PLZ. You purposely refused to partake in D1 discussion, an obvious anti-town move. In doing that, you're able to avoid taking a stance on the issue. Anti-town. By avoiding the discussion, you don't have to create an opinion. Anti-town. What have you done that's pro-town? NOTHING. And everything that you've done has anti-town motives. Why nobody has yet to see this is beyond me. do you actualy believe this crap? The proof's right there buddy ^^^ | ||
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On April 22 2012 11:51 Mattchew wrote: I was not actively lurking and I never admitted that? I refused to discuss the vig claims because I DONT CARE, i'll let people read me on other things like my scum reads and my other discussions. I don't care if vigs claim or not, I care about lynching scum, if thats anti town in your mind, fine. I "avoided" the discussion to push my scum read and give an opinion on someone - remind me how thats anti-town? You keep cutting my quotes out of context, like my do believe this crap, was based on me dispelling your obviously bad "case" in the same paragraph OMG you're missing the point. It doesn't matter WHY you wouldn't discuss. It's the fact that you PURPOSELY REFUSE to participate in active discussion. You avoided the ENTIRE topic of discussion just so you could push your FoS that barely had any effort put into it! I realize that you don't care and that's the kind of anti-town attitude I'm calling you out on. This whole time you have done NOTHING pro-town, NOTHING helpful at all. And your actions since game start have been ANTI-TOWN. There's no denying it. I refused to discuss the vig claims because I DONT CARE, i'll let people read me on other things like my scum reads and my other discussions. WTF? What scum reads? What other discussion? What the hell are you talking about? You haven't been discussing JACK-DIDDILY-SQUAT. The ONLY thing you've been trying to do is defend yourself from me with the exact. same. argument. + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote: I am a suspicious of VE because he seems to be convinced by very little that you are scum. I am still suspicious of Paqman because he has seemed to tunnel me because he was pressured. I am suspicous of St Daniel because that first post was fucking terrible. I'm less suspicous of marv but I do like the players pushing him (laya and blazing) as they seem townie to me. You call that scumhunting? You have another post just like this where all you do is speculate, BUT WHERE'S THE HUNTING ? + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote: As I said before in the thread I don't like to discuss or direct blues. Why would i partake in a conversation that I don't care at all about? Instead I am actively trying to find scum, not yelling at everyone that disagrees with me and calling them scummy like you, VE, Risen, and Paqman. + Show Spoiler + False. I have not seen you put any effort into finding scum, besides a couple of weak FoS's. On April 22 2012 10:52 Mattchew wrote: do you actually think before you post? You have tried to call me out for not taking a stance, yet in this game I immediately took a stance on something I cared about, finding scum. + Show Spoiler + False. I have yet to see you take a real stance on someone being scum. Seriously, go back and read your posts. Tell me a name that you have taken a REAL SCUM STANCE ON! There's LITERALLY nobody that you've formed a real scum opinion on. + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 02:31 Mattchew wrote: I am null on VE, I am hoping that whatever he is doing will become more evident as the day goes on, cause right now he just looks like he is tunneling a little. Layabout just mentioned all the lurkers, I have already said I'm down with a BM lynch (a little less now that Paqman said that too). How do you go from that^^ to: On April 22 2012 11:05 Mattchew wrote: Visceraeyes is still looking scummy too. he needs to start making sense of his nonsense case or I will vote him to be lynched. This^^ Your "scumhunting" is so flippidy-floppidy wishy-washy that you CANT TAKE A SINGLE STANCE ON SOMEONE. TL;DR Mattchew is SCUM who isn't contributing JACK to Town. He's making all these weird-ass excuses such as "scumhunting", when he still has yet to produce a single SOLID opinion on someone. I'm begging you guys to digest this shit and try to prove me wrong. Someone TRY to prove that Mattchew isn't scum because he certainly can't do it himself. | ||
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Do town and yourself a favor and try to hunt scum like you so claimed to be doing? | ||
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On April 22 2012 13:37 johnnywup wrote: paqman thats scummy of you. You spend all day saying why mattchew is scum and then you sheep him (note: i know its not completely sheeping). BM is definitely scummy but you spend all day saying why mattchew is scummy...why didn't you vote for him? ffs And it's blatantly idiotic of you to not vote for a dude who's been lurking the entire game and suddenly makes an unannounced vote without no explanation whatsoever. Have you not read my posts? I voted for Matt the second I started to think he's scummy. | ||
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On April 22 2012 13:40 VisceraEyes wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 07:13 slOosh wrote: slOosh's "VisceraEyes is scum" case. First item: VE's rebuttal of Gonzaw's plan.. Notice how VE does not actually discuss the pros and cons of the plan itself, but instead chooses to only talk about how unfeasible it is based solely on the idea of a non-cooperative JK (which might not even exist). His point by point breakdown ,which he says is for "ease of comprehension", is actually an excuse to set up strawmen, as he avoids talking about the plan itself but rather nitpicks at each point on inconsequential points. Go read the post. If you can honestly see any of the points being valid discussion of gonzaw's plan, then let's discuss that. But all I see is "analysis" used as an excuse to paint gonzaw in a bad light. No actual valid points. Second item: VE's "scumslip" catch If you look at gonzaw's post in question, you will see that he consistently uses plural pronouns "we", and so it would be totally natural to use "our" to describe the plan. Yet VE chooses to vote after catching this "scumslip", rather than demonstrating to town how gonzaw is proposing an anti-town agenda in the giant "analysis" of his rebuttal. Third item: VE's evasion when asked for clarification The post linked is the start of the evasion. Watch how Ottoxlol brings up how VE's rebuttal doesn't make much sense, and multiple times VE evades it without really wanting to flesh out his reasoning and discuss his stance. Townies aren't scared to discuss their stances - only mafia are scared of scrutiny as they fear their scum agenda being revealed. More prodding and VE gives this "explanation" To which Ottoxlol points out how illogical that is Final item: VE's apathy, misrepresentation and fearmongering (no link as there are 2 quotes) Note how VE clearly has a stance (thinks gonzaw's plan is ridiculous and terrible) but doesn't actually move to help explain and convince town why it is bad. Instead, it is like "you guys do what you want, I don't advise it, it is clearly pro scum, but you guys decide if you want to do it or not". Why wouldn't a townie be more vocal and start convincing people why it is bad if they truly believed it was pro scum agenda? Why would they be so apathetic? Fearmongering comes in the first line - it is true that this plan outs our vigs, but really - to say that it "gives scum all the information they need" is quite the exaggeration, and as discussed by others, the information isn't that valuable (cf. Ottoxlol's post in my third point). Misrepresentation is in the last line - gonzaw thinks that VE is scum because of his apathy and focus on irrelevant points and lack of proper scumhunting. (here and here) Again, he hasn't bothered to explain why this information is detrimental to town, and is instead misinterpreting it to make it seem like scum agenda. His whole beef is centered on how this plan outs our vigs, but he has never bothered explaining why that is bad, and intentionally does not acknowledge how it is different from other mass claims because it is actually 1) only making vigs claim, and 2) vigs have the death miller mechanic, which is the crux of gonzaw's plan. Conclusion: VisceraEyes has displayed a lack of scumhunting, misrepresentation of facts, fearmongering, evasion, apathy to town agenda and illogical arguments. Therefore, he must be scum. ##Vote VisceraEyes I am a non-cooperative Jailkeeper. I'm reading through the thread now, but before you put any more thought into a case against me, my view on gonzaw's plan was skewed from the viewpoint of a non-cooperative JK because I am a non-cooperative JK. I don't want vigs to claim because I don't feel like surrendering my power for town's use. I just did that same thing in Space Station Mafia and I didn't want to do it this game. Now, I understand that claiming does has this exact same effect, so I guess we're at a stalemate. The good news is, I'm town and now that I'm back I intend to help find scum. ^^ /salute WTF is this? | ||
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On April 22 2012 13:47 Mattchew wrote: Its VE becoming more evident, proving my statement correct I don't buy that bullshit, you were wishy-washy about VE so that you could say "I TOLD YOU SO." On April 22 2012 11:05 Mattchew wrote: Visceraeyes is still looking scummy too. he needs to start making sense of his nonsense case or I will vote him to be lynched. | ||
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On April 22 2012 13:53 Mattchew wrote: as said before, i gave him 9 hours and people (included yourself) wanted an opinion on him. I gave one. Sorry I was right? I call complete bullshit. You don't make any sense whatsoever. The way you state your "scumread": Visceraeyes is still looking scummy too. he needs to start making sense of his nonsense case or I will vote him to be lynched. Makes it sound like you've always been suspicious of him. It contradicts your previous null claim. Sorry I was right? Right about WHAT??? Your latest opinion on VE labels him as scummy. WTF are you talking about? Every single one of your posts are so inconsistent with each other that it's ridiculous. You're so scummy it's making my eyes bleed every time I filter through your posts. I just don't know which one to pick. Scum A or Scum B. You're both scum to me. | ||
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On April 22 2012 14:09 Mattchew wrote: i said that i was suspicious of his reasoning for voting gonzaw, and I was, my suspicion of him only grew with time. I see now why he posted what he did, as i said there was probably a reason for it. thats why I'm right. I never contradicted anything... why do I let people get under my skin every game. your my new Mrzentor what the hell are you talking about. You went from having a null claim on VE, to scummy. And somehow you were right? My vote's going back to Mattchew. I'm sure once the rest of town wakes up most will vote for BM but I am absolutely confident that Mattchew is scum. | ||
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On April 22 2012 14:17 Mattchew wrote: i am talking about how i said that I was wary of VE but I was not convinced he was scum (AKA NULL). As time went on he slide further and further towards scum to me. How is this that hard to understand? It's hard to understand because you're saying that you were right when you were clearly wrong. You said he was scummy. He confesses to being JK ??????????? You say you were right all along. Do you not see the flawed logic in there?... I'm done. I feel like I'm getting even more stupid by just arguing with you. | ||
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On April 22 2012 14:23 Mattchew wrote: i say that he needs to explain himself better time goes on with no explanation i get asked my opinion on him and call him scummy cause of this time that has past VE JK claims ???? Connect 1 and 4 for correct answer And that's EXACTLY why you're wishy-washy. You have two stances on VE. What if VE had gotten lynched at the end of the day and flipped scum? You would have said "OH I TOLD YOU SO!". and you'd quote yourself. You've still failed to do any real scumhunting even though you claim to be doing so, your posts are inconsistent, and you're avoiding choosing a side on everything. Your opinions on other people are all wishy-washy and you've yet to do anything productive and pro-town. You're scum. | ||
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On April 23 2012 01:28 ghost_403 wrote: I think a BM lynch is a terrible idea (vig shout would be fine though). I don't think I've ever seen a case where a ninja vote was due to someone being scum. There's too much risk and no reward for scum in this situation. I think he's just insane. I really don't like the fact that Sentinel immediately jumped on the lynch BM bandwagon. Trying to lynch insane players is scummy in my book. Same goes for you Mattchew. Why would scum even try to ninja vote? It makes way more sense to sheep instead. No one would have thought twice if BM had shown up in thread and said "lol VE scum ##vote VE". VE's claim is bad. He's doing the same thing that he did in TLM LI in claiming when there's no reason to. I can't imagine scum VE doing the same thing twice, but now we're into WIFOM territory. In addition, JK is the only nonconfirmable role in the game. A vig shot shows up in the day post, and a tracker can confirm where someone went that night. It only makes sense that scum VE would claim JK. So after all this conundrum who do you think Town should be voting to lynch? | ||
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Gonzaw's case on Risen is bueno. Seeing as I'm the only one who supports a Mattchew lynch, Gonzaw's case is really tempting, more so than the other ones I've read. | ||
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On April 23 2012 01:44 ghost_403 wrote: @mattchew: This is my first game playing with BM. I don't know his meta well enough to know if ninja voting is something scum BM would do or not, but I do know this: there's no reason for scum to ninja vote almost a full day before the deadline. If he had voted five minutes before the night post, I would hold him accountable for it. But, a full day? That's not scummy, that's insane. I lynch people for scummy play, not insane play. @paqman: I'm still where I'm at last night: VE or Sentinel. Sentinel has only become more scummy in my book for jumping on the BM bandwagon like there's no tomorrow, and immediately voting against the person who called you out for lurking is a classic chainsaw defense. I still have no idea what VE is doing, and I don't see a good reason to buy his JK claim. It doesn't make sense to claim so far before the lynch. Aight cool. I was just checking to see if you were consistent with your previous claim of Sentinel being scum. | ||
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On April 23 2012 02:05 gonzaw wrote: How about we do this so all of us are happy?: -We lynch Risen now -A vig shoots BM tonight I don't see how my case was weak. The way I see it Risen seemed to fake his "aggressiveness" against laya. I think this because he changed his behaviour very quickly, going from "guy seemingly afraid to post" to "aggressive OMGUSer" in a matter of minutes (so to speak). Anyways, I'm going away now, so this will be my last post in a while. Good luck town, hopefully you don't do something stupid while I'm gone And what if Bill Murray is a GF? What should our vigi do after BM is shot but doesn't die? | ||
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On April 23 2012 01:45 PaqMan wrote: Also, this is pure speculation, but what if BM is a GF? We're dismissing him and assuming our vigi (if we even have one) will shoot him. Gonzaw's case on Risen is bueno. Seeing as I'm the only one who supports a Mattchew lynch, Gonzaw's case is really tempting, more so than the other ones I've read. I'm gonna follow up on this and switch my vote for Risen. | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:17 BlazingJitsu wrote: This is interesting, given that you are Marv's scumbuddy. -Blazinghand Oh jebus, you caught me. How about you try throwing down some proof instead of spouting out senseless crap. On April 23 2012 04:29 BlazingJitsu wrote: Gonzaw and Mememntoss just aren't very smart, and Paqman is scum trying to hide in an alternative wagon for the day end. -Blazinghand lolwut? If I wanted to ride a wagon then I'd be agreeing with all the bullshit capslock you throw at marv. If I was scum I'd leave my vote on Mattchew and wait until D1 ends. But it's obvious that I have no support at all behind my case against so I'm making my vote go to the next best thing, Risen. | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:38 Mattchew wrote: so paq, whats your opinion on blazing's alignment? The way he's been acting is disruptive and chaotic. Either bad townie or good scum. | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:39 BlazingJitsu wrote: You deliberately say nothing about Marv all game except this and this: You basically ignore any discussion about him because you are scum and afraid. You want him to be vigied instead of lynched because you talked to him in the scum QT and he was like "yeah i'm a godfather". We're gonna lynch him, he'll flip GF, then we're gonna lynch you. Paqman, why you scumslipping? If you were scum, wouldn't you leave your vote on Marv? Or do you actually think he's scum? ._. Seriously though if you wanted to ride a wagon you'd get on a wagon that's not the lynch wagon and not Marv (who you want to live). like the one you're on now. I never voted on Marv, what the hell are you talking about. I don't need to mention him because you've been riding his dick the entire game. I also looove how you keep putting words in my mouth because you know I'm not scum and you dont got shit on me. + Show Spoiler + You want him to be vigied instead of lynched because you talked to him in the scum QT and he was like "yeah i'm a godfather" .dafuq? | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:51 Risen wrote: A chaotic hydra? Shocking. How can you say bad town, good scum? Chaotic? Yes. His arguments consist of [CAPSLOCK CAPS CAPS scream scream whine] + [marv is scum marv is scum MARV IS SCUM]. It's messy and hurts my eyes to look at. Good scum because he created a bandwagon on marv that everyone's jumping on. Risen, you said you were catching up on the thread, what happened to that? You also said that you were working on a big analysis, and you have yet to counter Gonzaw's argument... | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:54 slOosh wrote: VisceraEyes' JK claim doesn't make sense, his reasoning for claiming is inconsistent as well as directly counter to his previous stance of not wanting to give mafia information, and has not provided any substantial case against anyone, which indicates that his matrying is fabricated rather than authentic. Most likely a scum lying to survive. Keeping him alive to let scum shoot him is foolishness, as they don't have to, and this will tie up D2 discussion. Additionally, his claim does explain his scummy actions that I point out in my case (apathy, fearmongering, misrepresentation etc.) Marv's posting is fine and probably would be better if he didn't need to spend so much time defending himself against BJ. BM is lurking, but should not be considered unless you think VE and marv isn't scum, as the case on him is minimal. Risen seems to be the alternate for people who don't want to lynch VE because he claimed JK. They should reconsider their reasoning of keeping VE alive. We can look into Risen tomorrow. Votes should start consolidating, and discussion should be centered around this. Anything else is derailing town's current focus, which is to agree and lynch the scummiest candidate. No screw that. If VE is a blue JK then I don't understand why the hell Mafia wouldn't take him out. VE was in the lead with votes but BJ started a wagon on marv (who I believe is green). I'm starting to think BJ is just saving his scumbuddy by racking votes on a guy that doesn't know how to defend himself. | ||
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How are you going to completely ignore Gonzaw's case on you? From what you said, your only reason for voting marv is because he voted VE. I call total bullshit on you dude. Bill Murray voted VE, but you have said NOTHING about him, or the other 6 people who're voting for him. You're throwing your vote on Marv because he's the fucking scapegoat wagon-train. Start explaining yourself | ||
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On April 23 2012 01:16 gonzaw wrote: Risen: I'd like to lynch Risen and I'll tell you why This post is wishy washy as hell. First he starts by being unnecessary apologetic when laya called him out. He posts a very wishy washy statement like "from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy". Really? That's not the town Risen I know of. The town Risen I know of would instantly find people scummy and try to create discussion. Town Risen wouldn't stay neutral and spout wishy washy shit like "I'm not sure who's scummy". Then he keeps trying to appear more "innocent" and neutral by saying things like "I messed up last game with my pressure on ET so I'm not sure how to get everyone posting". Then the rest of the post is fluff about Mementos' plan. He doesn't seem to have a solid stance on the matter (says things like "I don't like directing blues, though I realize this game has special stuff going on") yet he just keeps talking about it. Also, please note the tone of his post. It seems neutral, but most of all it's not aggressive at all. It seems submisive. Layabout called him out and he seems afraid and posts only because he was called out. Also take notice of the bolded "Posting lots is pro-town" bit, I'll use it later. He just barely comments on the marvel issue, but doesn't really take any stances. He keeps up with his "I still don't think anybody is scummy" excuse to avoid taking stances on people. He also doesn't comment on other things happening in the thread, like VE's "case" on me, or my case against VE, or the Paqman/Mattchew issue, nothing. Again, note the bolded bit too. Now here's the kicker. Here he goes against layabout and votes him, and his reason is "I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me"... ...really? I already said how this seems like Toad's play from LI. He ignores current discussion, he avoids taking a stance on the current events, and instead decides to FoS someone completely irrelevant for shitty reasons, and keeps his vote there. This vote only disrupts town because he fails to justify it and derails current discussions. Not only that, but it makes it so he can "justify" his vote and just leave it there, so he can fake trying to contribute. But there's another important thing to take into account: Notice how aggressive he's become against layabout. Why did the tone of his post and his behaviour change so much? In that first post he sounded afraid. Laya called him out and he sounded submissive against him, he was the opposite of aggressive. He posted trying to please laya, had a very neutral tone, was wishy-washy and didn't take any stances. Yet now that layabout points out Risen being suspicious, he flips and goes all crazy against him? Really? I don't buy that change of behaviour, it's inconsisent, it's way too sudden and doesn't make sense with the way he was posting before. Hey, remember that bolded bits I was mentioning before? Here: He says that posting a lot is pro-town, yet he's not following his own advice and is barely posting! So really people, Risen is scum because:
So people, let's lynch Risen ##Unvote: VisceraEyes ##Vote: Risen EVERYONE needs to read this shit. Every single point made in that case is right and Risen so far has ignored all of it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 14:14 Risen wrote: He already pointed it out in his post voting for you. You're a little late. Posting from my phone I'll be home in a couple hours but it's a little late. Just read everything on my phone, though. Alright, cool, nothing really wrong with it. No real content and nothing that circulates discussion, but hey it's his first post. I'll give that to him. One thing to note is the bolded though. On April 22 2012 02:22 Risen wrote: Yeah I'm sorry. Just woke up. I'll get posting. Posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. I'd rather we put pressure on someone who isn't posting. I messed up last game with my pressure on ET so I'm not sure how to get everyone posting. From the last page I do have a problem with mementoss' idea. It seems solid but as you said on this page, all vigs would have to get on board. I don't like directing blues in the first place (i realize this game has special stuff going on, though, so I don't think forwarding the idea is scummy. I just don't think we should do it). Another problem with your plan mt is your directing of jailkeepers. By directing jk away from targets and the vigis you give scum a potential three kill night. They can kill the vig, another person, and then if the vigi target is town they get to laugh at us. To sum, don't direct blues. I think there's been enough discussion about it and with no clearly best plan there's no way to get everyone behind one plan. #1 - He posts this roughly 30 minutes after layabout's post. He coincidentally woke up when he name gets mentioned. I'll give him benefit of the doubt on this one #2 - posting lots is pro-town. But, you don't even have a full page of posts in your filter, even though D1 is a few hours from ending.#3 - posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. So what does that mean? Well he's doing what I was previously accusing Mattchew of, not taking a definite side. He's not making a solid opinion on anything. The rest of his post is fluffy. He gives his input on MT's plan and that's it. He doesn't establish any solid ground on any of the issues at hand. His only mention of scum is that "nobody looks scummy". On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I don't get your reasoning mt or anyone else's voting for marvel. He's posting and it's very early day 1. There isn't that much to go off of so I don't think he's scummy. This part's important as he does end up voting marv with a very stupid reason. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I hatelurkers, they always fuck us and it isn't pro-town at all. I'd rather not lynch someone who's here day 1. And who does Risen end up voting for? Marv! Risen is full of shit. His only reason for voting marv is because marv voted for VE. But what about Bill Murray? Dude's lurking the entire D1 and votes for VE. Based on just this quote you would think that Risen votes BM but he jumps right in the wagon that BJ made and votes marv. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: Posting is pro-town and I don't think we should be scaring people away from posting day 1 bc it just gives people an excuse to be worthless dafuq are you talking about? His next post is basically useless but the next 3 posts are is gold. On April 22 2012 02:58 Risen wrote: Oh, alright. I had read the vigi shot being refunded, but didn't apply that to them not shooting if they were killed. And wtf? Where the fuck do you get me targeting ANYONE right now? Do you see me voting any "lurkers"? Did I point any out? No. I didn't. Why didn't I? Because I know how early it is in the game. Take your useless shit somewhere else layabout. What's with the sudden freak out? All layabout does is make a little comment on you and you blow up. On April 22 2012 03:04 Risen wrote: I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me. ##vote layabout I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too. He immediately votes layabout all because of this little comment: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 02:54 layabout wrote: Anybody feel like Risen is hustlin' us? Also take note of the bold. That's his only mention of BJ&BH. The next couple of posts are useless. So far he still hasn't contributed jack to Town and his posts are weak. UNTIL we get to this one: Why is he so defensive all of a sudden? He definitely is acting off. He's acting like he's guilty of something. He immediately proclaims himself as an easy wagon. But look where he ends up putting his most recent vote! On April 22 2012 03:56 Risen wrote: No. Why even bring that up? I'd call you scum if I thought you were scum. Scum aren't the only ones who jump on a stupid wagon. Lazy townies who don't feel like posting or playing jump on them and screw town too. Again he's acting way too overly-defensive. Chill out bro. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Hey folks. I'm not actually voting layabout. Just woke up, was out drinking last night. I'm going to be going through everyone's filters and I'll make a giant post containing my analysis. It has been two hours since and he still hasn't made his giant post. So far he's keeping up with the thread so I highly doubt he's even working on one. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Let me catch up on the thread, though. Why are there two votes on me? I assumed when layabout wasn't able to start the choo choo that train died. He's "surprised" he has votes on him and is still convinced that layabout's little comment was an attempt to start a wagon on him. It's been two hours since he woke up and that's plenty of time to read through the thread. Despite this, he still has not said a single thing on Gonzaw's case against him. He hasn't brought it up nor has he made a single mention of it. As of that^^ post he still has not given any solid opinions on who is scummy and who's not. Spoilered because I don't want to clutter my case >.> + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: Honestly johnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time. Okay, finally have an opinion. johnnyboy is your biggest scumread. On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim. Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess. I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He shits up the rest of this post with useless crap. But wait!! Despite johnnyboy having Risen's biggest scumread, Risen votes for marv?!?!?! Whyyyy??? Here's why: On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He's voting marv because marv placed his vote on VE. I call complete bullshit on Risen. He put his vote on marv because marv is easy wagon #1. Sound familiar? We got you cornered mofo. 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On April 23 2012 06:46 Risen wrote: How convenient? When does the day end again? Hmm... Sarcasm bro. It's been 3 hours and you still have not posted your big analysis. Your time is running out scum. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:10 Risen wrote: No one is going to pay attention to you. You're an idiot. WHAT WAGON DID I JUMP ON. I never even placed my vote on marv. Go look at the voting thread. derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself. I was away, typing my case on you. You still haven't posted your giant atrocious analysis that needs spoilers. You wrote a whole post about why you were voting for marv and you even said ##Vote Marvollosity. You OBVIOUSLY had the intention to jump on his wagon and vote for him. Why are you so wishy-washy?? Oh yeah because you. are. scum. Immediately after I point out the contradictions in your posts you switch your vote to BM. Even more, your only counter-argument against my case is this: derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself. You don't have anything to say about everything I pointed out because it's true. You're scum. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:16 BlazingJitsu wrote: Risen I would like to thank you: at least you're not derping up the thread like at least 6 players are in this game. The fact that some of these players MUST be town and not scum is just apalling. oh hai your finally back from lunch. I assume you're going to go back to shitting up the thread with your half-assed claims? | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:21 BlazingJitsu wrote: The only lynch I am down with is a Marv lynch. i will consider a paq lynch, but only as a last resort-- it's much better to lynch Marv first THEN paq, since a lot of my suspicion of Paq is an associative tell of Marv. Step 1) lynch Marv. Step 2) Lynch Paq As a side note, TL's freaking flood control is preventing me from reacting quickly to most replies. I think this account is only allowed to post once every 5 minutes or so since it's new. Unless it's really urgent expect a 5ish minute delay for any post from this account. If it comes down to it I'll make the posts using Blazinghand and then repeat them with this account to make them filter-viewable. EBWOP to any posts I made in the past 5 minutes: -Blazinghand No, that's you, scum. I'm here to save the town from you and jubjubs. -Blazinghand If you think I'm scum come at me bro. You have nothing to back up your sorry claims besides the fact that I believe Marv is town. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:24 Risen wrote: No one is this stupid. No matter who is lynched today I'm voting you. If you're town I hope you get your shit together next game. No one as dumb as you should even be allowed into TL Mafia. If I had to make a list of people I hate most, it would start with lurkers, and then right under it would be fools like you who tunnel someone and are too blind to anything else going on in the thread. One of you and gonzaw is scum. I think it's probably gonzaw because I don't think a scums teammates would let their team idiot jump on a case so hard when it's built of paper. Aww umad? Well if I'm wrong prove me wrong and shut down my case. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:36 johnnywup wrote: why are you defending VE so much, telling people to get off his ass? Personally I think he's town because in LI he was scum and he worked his ass off to clear his name for like 2 days straight. This is the polar opposite. And exactly: BM Has done NOTHING. Will lynching him give us any information if he's town OR scum? No. He'll be dead and we'll be back at square one. I'm not really lurking. Everyones shouting at everyone and I don't want to add to the shouting. I'd lynch Risen or BM if it came down to it. Lol sorry. He refuses to counteract my case and goes straight for the insults so I'm done arguing with him. Gronzaw's case pointed out all the flaws and inconsistencies with Risen and I followed up with my PoP case. If everyone has the Towns best interest I ask they read our cases and decide for themselves if the posts we made paint Risen as scum. | ||
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On April 22 2012 22:06 VisceraEyes wrote: My vote on BM is not random. It's based on the fact that he was semi-active leading up to the game started and he's made 3 in-game posts, all of which are devoid of content and completely neutral...yet he jumps on a VE vote based on nothing but "he doesn't like gonzaw's plan!" My claim isn't "an appalling move" or "a bad move"...it's not a move at all. It's a claim, because it explains my reasoning for gonzaw's mass-claim idea, and because I don't give a shit about my role. Roles aren't going to find scum, scumhunting and logic are going to find scum. I think Bill Murray is scum, I don't think he's a "random lurker" and I've made that abundantly clear. The scum are Bill Murray, gonzaw, MidnightGladius, layabout as far as I can see. I want to kill BM first. Viscera's last scumread^^ VE did screw himself on this. He wanted to get himself lynched. On April 22 2012 23:48 VisceraEyes wrote: K this game is no longer interesting to me. I'm not interested in defending myself. ##Unvote: Bill Murray ##Vote: VisceraEyes For anyone concerned about me "playing to my win-condition", D1 discussion is ruined and I can accept my part in that. Lynch me, flip me, and do what you will with the information. You'll win with it. And therefor, I'll win. I'm playing to my win-condition. gg | ||
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I'm null on Gonzaw although I support his case against Risen. But he hasn't posted pretty much the whole day. I'm null on midnightglad as I haven't been paying attention to his posts. I'm leaning town with layabout. | ||
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On April 24 2012 00:19 BlazingJitsu wrote: Well guys all I have to say is you should have listened to me and we should have lynched Marv. You have my deepest assurance that over the course of the next 72 hours I will stop at nothing to get Marv lynched. It should have been obvious that VE was playing crappy town play. It was obvious to me. It was obvious to Risen. In fact, it's interesting how obvious it was to people who put any decent thought into it or were intelligent, thoughtful people, that this was the case. All of you who had your votes on people that weren't Marv, you also allowed this to happen. You allowed a delicious mixture of jubjubs and scum to lead us down a path of idiocy. I typically try not to beat people up over this sort of thing, but it's so blatantly obvious that Marv is scum. I'm going to briefly talk about Marv's scumbuddies Paqman and MidnightGladius. I don't know who the fourth man is, but given the distinct possibility of being shot (as the only useful townie in a game with a flipped JK) I feel the need to lay it out tonight my cases. The main component of my case against Paqman is an associate tell. You may recall I was fairly aggressive towards Marv over the course of D1. In fact, it dominated a fair amount of my D1 posting. I pushed on the issue pretty hard, and many people had to comment on it one way or another. Of the active posters, Paqman stands out for distinctly not commenting on my case on Marv-- basically at all. But even moreso he never talks TO Marv. Here are his posts related to/addressing Marv before he is called out on it: How do you go so long without talking to Marv, and also only talking about him incidentally? Well, it's easy, PaqMan is talking to Marv in the scum QT, and he instinctively avoids interacting with him here in the game. He also tried to direct the lynch AWAY from Marv and vigi shots TOWARDS him. For this reason I think Marv is probably a GodFather, and Paqman was trying to use him to eat vigi shots. Of course, after I called him out on it about a day ago, PaqMan has addressed Marv incidentally a couple times. But nothing serious. In any case, the best course of action here is to lynch Marv first, then when he flips GF, lynch Paq. The other associative tell case I've got is on MidnightGladius. He seems a little too diplomatic, and reserved in his posting. He actually briefly pulled the wool over my eyes here: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 07:59 BlazingJitsu wrote: This is a fair point. I'll do my best to consolidate replies and posts and increase the legibility of this thread. I can get a bit out of hand at times. Regarding what could convince I was wrong about Marv: at this point, very little. If you take a look at Marv's development as a player, in the past few hours he's been posting like a regular guy, an acceptable contributor-- everything seems normal. if he had been posting like this all game, I wouldn't be on his ass like this. But at the beginning, at the time of my first case, he was super scummy-- posting several times and saying nothing. my initial case was to pressure him. He responded by trying to appear active, but still being worthless. i kept on pushing, and bit by bit he stepped up his game. Only with enormous pressure was I able to make him contribute. If he had become useful after my initial pressure, that would have been fine-- but his continued attempts to lurk were scummy. At this point, I am convinced Marv is scum and I will likely not be unconvinced unless something amazing happens. I will consider lynching someone else who is scum in an attempt to avoid mislynch, but voting Marv and getting him lynched is priority #1 for me. Then, there's this deal here: Now, it's actually totally reasonable to wonder about the deadline. It might even be reasonable for these guys to post right next to each other like this. But someone else pointed this out in the thread earlier (I forget who and cant find it)-- but this sort of thing is typical for scum. What happens is they are discussing something in their scum QT together, and they're all like "huh that's weird, I can't find the deadline" and so both MG and Marv thought to ask the host based on their convo in the QT, and did so simultaneously. Big mistake. This is a weaker scumtell though, since it's based on a scumslip rather than on a more developed case. I'll have to read up on MG's filter more since I haven't interacted with him extensively this game-- Marv is the chief candidate for me, then Paq, then MG. In summary, Marv is scum. As always. And I will push him until one of us is dead. Paq is definitely his scumbuddy. MG is probably his scumbuddy. I'm off to class for a bit. I'll be back before daybreak to respond to questions, comments, and concerns, and to find the 4th scum and singlehandedly finger the whole scumteam. -Blazinghand I was busy going after Mattchew. | ||
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You know what assuming does? It makes an ass out of u and me. You're riding marv's dick so hard and the way he reacted to you I believe he's town. You can never be 100% certain that he really is scum unless you know something the rest of town doesn't. I've also failed to ever mention johnny, and quite a few other people as well in my posts. They must be my scumbuddies too. He also tried to direct the lynch AWAY from Marv and vigi shots TOWARDS him. You misunderstood my post. I want you to get vigi'd. | ||
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On April 24 2012 11:16 gonzaw wrote: Well, scum can't change their kill right now, right? So we can discuss all we want without influencing the night kill, so this is the perfect time to argue and shit. What do you guys think of Sentinel, Zephird and Risen? Discuss.. You already know my stance on Risen. Your other FoS's I haven't read up on yet. I've been playing Salem beta while waiting for the day post but yeahhhh.. -.- I'll read up on the last two pages I missed. | ||
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I'm sorry for my HUGE lack of contribution to discussion today. Salem beta was just released and I couldn't resist -.- But I WILL post more tomorrow, without a doubt. Definitely going to take a look at & analyze Gonzaw's scumreads. Right now I think Risen would be a good lynch, but Gonzaw prefers Sentinel so I'll have to check this kid out. It's past my bedtime so... PEACE! | ||
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On April 24 2012 12:53 johnnywup wrote: Gonzaw had a lot of reads and I think we should look into them. Particularly he seemed very convinced that Sentinel was scum. Other than Sentinel he found BroodkingEXE, Daniel, Risen, and Zephirdd scummy as well. I suggest we take a close look at each one of them. Everyone else he found townie to some extent, except he finds BJ worthless, ottox "neutral", but somewhat suspicious (I'm interpreting it that way at least). He also says ghost is "maybe town", and that MG he didn't really look into. Gonzaw suggested to vote to lynch Sentinel today. While I'd prefer a Zephirdd lynch, I'd be willing to support a Sentinel lynch as well if it gains enough popularity. He seemed scummy all game long, but I couldn't really put into words why. Gonzaw made a good post about why, and now that Gonzaw is dead (read: confirmed town), I feel that a Sentinel Lynch would be good. slOosh's filter leads me to believe he thought MidnightGladius to be the most likely scum, with Zephirdd in 2nd place. The zephirdd in 2nd place is based solely on the "Marv: thoughts on MidnightGladius and Zephirdd" post, but it shows he has zephirdd in his mind and wants opinions on him. I hadn't really looked into MG, like Gonzaw, and will be looking at him closer soon. Will report back when I read MG's filter and come to a conclusion. For now, I want to ask who town would like to lynch more: Zephirdd or Sentinel? Risen. I'm going to put my vote on him and keep it there until I see some incriminating evidence against Sentinel. ##Vote: Risen | ||
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On April 24 2012 13:13 Risen wrote: Do you do anything in this game besides tunnel me? I can't recall seeing you actually DO anything this game. Please start being useful. I'm going to sleep, was waiting to see the day post to see if I lived. Quit acting so offended that I built a case against you. You look & act like scum to me so of course I'm going to go after you. Why do you always act like this every time you get pressured, guilty? My advice: Do something pro-town for us besides play your "town-meta" | ||
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On April 24 2012 14:25 Bill Murray wrote: I am not going to be wagoning paqman today and I will vote the next person to vote for him I really appreciate the support BM, but you should just contribute more plz :S The only people pressuring me after Mattchew was done was BJ. Be back in roughly 8 to 9 hours! | ||
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I've never played a game with Risen, so I'm expecting him to do more than just play his "town meta" (as most of you guys say this is why you think he's town). He went from passive to a violent outburst as soon as the spotlight was aimed at him, and he completely disregarded my case against him save for a few insults. First: so everyone can read Gonzaw's initial case and Risen's defense. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 06:45 Risen wrote: What kind of stupid shit is this? By request of jubjub Pac I'll respond. Wishy washy? What the hell do you want from me not even a day into the game? How the hell could ANYONE have true feelings of someone being scum that early on. You can have policies that guide you, such as kill every idiot you see, like anyone on VE or lynch lurkers like BM, but you can't possibly have feelings of people being scummy that early on. Only people who are atrocious at this game would take that point seriously. Oh look, we have pac taking it seriously. I'm so shocked. You say this posting looks like Toad from LI? Awesome. I'm not Toad. Also, where do you get me being SUBMISSIVE to layabout. The guy was playing like an idiot and I called him out on it. If you count me apologizing for cursing as being "submissive" then you need to get your head checked. How can you go from me voting layabout to trying to get approval from him. Stupidity at it's finest. BUT Pac wants me to address this piece of shit case so lets keep going. On to your little bullets. 1) I've been busy as all hell, but I've been trying to come in and read and post instead of lurk. Screw it, I should have just lurked. You're right, posting in the thread is anti-town. My bad, I was wrong. I'll stop posting. 2) Not taking a solid stance? I SAID DONT DIRECT BLUES. IT IS BAD. How much more solid does it get? What do I have to do to make it more solid? 3) A flimsy vote on layabout? You right... because votes before a day has passed in the game are going to be super solid. Oh wait. They're not. Only an idiot or scum would try and say something like this. I'm leaning idiot because at least your vote isn't with the derps on VE. 4) I like how you call me passive and then point number 4 is saying I'm being too aggressive. This case is air tight guys, let's all get on the Risen choo choo. Right Janaan? 5) People don't have lives my b I always forget about that. I wasn't supposed to head back to Vegas until next weekend and when I signed up for this game it didn't matter anyways. It took two years to start, though, and I've only been able to read the thread from my phone. Now I'm able to type on a keyboard and tear this horrid case to shreds. I'll sum this case for all you dolts voting on me. Risen isn't playing like his town play usually is (but lets not link any of Risen's filters and quote anything from previous games, lets just SAY that's how it is and pray people don't actually check his filters.) Wow. Slam dunk case Paq, glad I took the time to respond to it. Why are you on me again? I don't have much time, I'm driving back to Flagstaff very shortly. I'm going to cut all this nonsense short and post cases against every person on VE. They're all idiots and/or scum who should be killed. My case against him: On April 23 2012 06:53 PaqMan wrote: Risen is scum. + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 14:14 Risen wrote: He already pointed it out in his post voting for you. You're a little late. Posting from my phone I'll be home in a couple hours but it's a little late. Just read everything on my phone, though. Alright, cool, nothing really wrong with it. No real content and nothing that circulates discussion, but hey it's his first post. I'll give that to him. One thing to note is the bolded though. On April 22 2012 02:22 Risen wrote: Yeah I'm sorry. Just woke up. I'll get posting. Posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. I'd rather we put pressure on someone who isn't posting. I messed up last game with my pressure on ET so I'm not sure how to get everyone posting. From the last page I do have a problem with mementoss' idea. It seems solid but as you said on this page, all vigs would have to get on board. I don't like directing blues in the first place (i realize this game has special stuff going on, though, so I don't think forwarding the idea is scummy. I just don't think we should do it). Another problem with your plan mt is your directing of jailkeepers. By directing jk away from targets and the vigis you give scum a potential three kill night. They can kill the vig, another person, and then if the vigi target is town they get to laugh at us. To sum, don't direct blues. I think there's been enough discussion about it and with no clearly best plan there's no way to get everyone behind one plan. #1 - He posts this roughly 30 minutes after layabout's post. He coincidentally woke up when he name gets mentioned. I'll give him benefit of the doubt on this one #2 - posting lots is pro-town. But, you don't even have a full page of posts in your filter, even though D1 is a few hours from ending.#3 - posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. So what does that mean? Well he's doing what I was previously accusing Mattchew of, not taking a definite side. He's not making a solid opinion on anything. The rest of his post is fluffy. He gives his input on MT's plan and that's it. He doesn't establish any solid ground on any of the issues at hand. His only mention of scum is that "nobody looks scummy". On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I don't get your reasoning mt or anyone else's voting for marvel. He's posting and it's very early day 1. There isn't that much to go off of so I don't think he's scummy. This part's important as he does end up voting marv with a very stupid reason. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I hatelurkers, they always fuck us and it isn't pro-town at all. I'd rather not lynch someone who's here day 1. And who does Risen end up voting for? Marv! Risen is full of shit. His only reason for voting marv is because marv voted for VE. But what about Bill Murray? Dude's lurking the entire D1 and votes for VE. Based on just this quote you would think that Risen votes BM but he jumps right in the wagon that BJ made and votes marv. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: Posting is pro-town and I don't think we should be scaring people away from posting day 1 bc it just gives people an excuse to be worthless dafuq are you talking about? His next post is basically useless but the next 3 posts are is gold. On April 22 2012 02:58 Risen wrote: Oh, alright. I had read the vigi shot being refunded, but didn't apply that to them not shooting if they were killed. And wtf? Where the fuck do you get me targeting ANYONE right now? Do you see me voting any "lurkers"? Did I point any out? No. I didn't. Why didn't I? Because I know how early it is in the game. Take your useless shit somewhere else layabout. What's with the sudden freak out? All layabout does is make a little comment on you and you blow up. On April 22 2012 03:04 Risen wrote: I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me. ##vote layabout I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too. He immediately votes layabout all because of this little comment: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 02:54 layabout wrote: Anybody feel like Risen is hustlin' us? Also take note of the bold. That's his only mention of BJ&BH. The next couple of posts are useless. So far he still hasn't contributed jack to Town and his posts are weak. UNTIL we get to this one: Why is he so defensive all of a sudden? He definitely is acting off. He's acting like he's guilty of something. He immediately proclaims himself as an easy wagon. But look where he ends up putting his most recent vote! On April 22 2012 03:56 Risen wrote: No. Why even bring that up? I'd call you scum if I thought you were scum. Scum aren't the only ones who jump on a stupid wagon. Lazy townies who don't feel like posting or playing jump on them and screw town too. Again he's acting way too overly-defensive. Chill out bro. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Hey folks. I'm not actually voting layabout. Just woke up, was out drinking last night. I'm going to be going through everyone's filters and I'll make a giant post containing my analysis. It has been two hours since and he still hasn't made his giant post. So far he's keeping up with the thread so I highly doubt he's even working on one. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Let me catch up on the thread, though. Why are there two votes on me? I assumed when layabout wasn't able to start the choo choo that train died. He's "surprised" he has votes on him and is still convinced that layabout's little comment was an attempt to start a wagon on him. It's been two hours since he woke up and that's plenty of time to read through the thread. Despite this, he still has not said a single thing on Gonzaw's case against him. He hasn't brought it up nor has he made a single mention of it. As of that^^ post he still has not given any solid opinions on who is scummy and who's not. Spoilered because I don't want to clutter my case >.> + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: Honestly johnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time. Okay, finally have an opinion. johnnyboy is your biggest scumread. On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim. Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess. I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He shits up the rest of this post with useless crap. But wait!! Despite johnnyboy having Risen's biggest scumread, Risen votes for marv?!?!?! Whyyyy??? Here's why: On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He's voting marv because marv placed his vote on VE. I call complete bullshit on Risen. He put his vote on marv because marv is easy wagon #1. Sound familiar? We got you cornered mofo. If Town has enough sense to realize this then you're getting lynched today. And his defence?: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 07:09 Risen wrote: No you twat. I'm not voting johnnywup because I'm not an idiot who thinks we can organize idiot townies like you onto him with so little time left. I'm forced to pick from a small pool of people who we can get votes on. I'm very intense, god... Don't know why I even came back to this. I'm just getting heated again and I'm going to get banned. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 07:10 Risen wrote: No one is going to pay attention to you. You're an idiot. WHAT WAGON DID I JUMP ON. I never even placed my vote on marv. Go look at the voting thread. derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 07:24 Risen wrote: No one is this stupid. No matter who is lynched today I'm voting you. If you're town I hope you get your shit together next game. No one as dumb as you should even be allowed into TL Mafia. If I had to make a list of people I hate most, it would start with lurkers, and then right under it would be fools like you who tunnel someone and are too blind to anything else going on in the thread. One of you and gonzaw is scum. I think it's probably gonzaw because I don't think a scums teammates would let their team idiot jump on a case so hard when it's built of paper. Insults aside, where's his defence? owait there is none. TL;DR - My case against Risen: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 06:53 PaqMan wrote: Risen is scum. + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 14:14 Risen wrote: He already pointed it out in his post voting for you. You're a little late. Posting from my phone I'll be home in a couple hours but it's a little late. Just read everything on my phone, though. Alright, cool, nothing really wrong with it. No real content and nothing that circulates discussion, but hey it's his first post. I'll give that to him. One thing to note is the bolded though. On April 22 2012 02:22 Risen wrote: Yeah I'm sorry. Just woke up. I'll get posting. Posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. I'd rather we put pressure on someone who isn't posting. I messed up last game with my pressure on ET so I'm not sure how to get everyone posting. From the last page I do have a problem with mementoss' idea. It seems solid but as you said on this page, all vigs would have to get on board. I don't like directing blues in the first place (i realize this game has special stuff going on, though, so I don't think forwarding the idea is scummy. I just don't think we should do it). Another problem with your plan mt is your directing of jailkeepers. By directing jk away from targets and the vigis you give scum a potential three kill night. They can kill the vig, another person, and then if the vigi target is town they get to laugh at us. To sum, don't direct blues. I think there's been enough discussion about it and with no clearly best plan there's no way to get everyone behind one plan. #1 - He posts this roughly 30 minutes after layabout's post. He coincidentally woke up when he name gets mentioned. I'll give him benefit of the doubt on this one #2 - posting lots is pro-town. But, you don't even have a full page of posts in your filter, even though D1 is a few hours from ending.#3 - posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. So what does that mean? Well he's doing what I was previously accusing Mattchew of, not taking a definite side. He's not making a solid opinion on anything. The rest of his post is fluffy. He gives his input on MT's plan and that's it. He doesn't establish any solid ground on any of the issues at hand. His only mention of scum is that "nobody looks scummy". On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I don't get your reasoning mt or anyone else's voting for marvel. He's posting and it's very early day 1. There isn't that much to go off of so I don't think he's scummy. This part's important as he does end up voting marv with a very stupid reason. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I hatelurkers, they always fuck us and it isn't pro-town at all. I'd rather not lynch someone who's here day 1. And who does Risen end up voting for? Marv! Risen is full of shit. His only reason for voting marv is because marv voted for VE. But what about Bill Murray? Dude's lurking the entire D1 and votes for VE. Based on just this quote you would think that Risen votes BM but he jumps right in the wagon that BJ made and votes marv. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: Posting is pro-town and I don't think we should be scaring people away from posting day 1 bc it just gives people an excuse to be worthless dafuq are you talking about? His next post is basically useless but the next 3 posts are is gold. On April 22 2012 02:58 Risen wrote: Oh, alright. I had read the vigi shot being refunded, but didn't apply that to them not shooting if they were killed. And wtf? Where the fuck do you get me targeting ANYONE right now? Do you see me voting any "lurkers"? Did I point any out? No. I didn't. Why didn't I? Because I know how early it is in the game. Take your useless shit somewhere else layabout. What's with the sudden freak out? All layabout does is make a little comment on you and you blow up. On April 22 2012 03:04 Risen wrote: I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me. ##vote layabout I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too. He immediately votes layabout all because of this little comment: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 02:54 layabout wrote: Anybody feel like Risen is hustlin' us? Also take note of the bold. That's his only mention of BJ&BH. The next couple of posts are useless. So far he still hasn't contributed jack to Town and his posts are weak. UNTIL we get to this one: Why is he so defensive all of a sudden? He definitely is acting off. He's acting like he's guilty of something. He immediately proclaims himself as an easy wagon. But look where he ends up putting his most recent vote! On April 22 2012 03:56 Risen wrote: No. Why even bring that up? I'd call you scum if I thought you were scum. Scum aren't the only ones who jump on a stupid wagon. Lazy townies who don't feel like posting or playing jump on them and screw town too. Again he's acting way too overly-defensive. Chill out bro. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Hey folks. I'm not actually voting layabout. Just woke up, was out drinking last night. I'm going to be going through everyone's filters and I'll make a giant post containing my analysis. It has been two hours since and he still hasn't made his giant post. So far he's keeping up with the thread so I highly doubt he's even working on one. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Let me catch up on the thread, though. Why are there two votes on me? I assumed when layabout wasn't able to start the choo choo that train died. He's "surprised" he has votes on him and is still convinced that layabout's little comment was an attempt to start a wagon on him. It's been two hours since he woke up and that's plenty of time to read through the thread. Despite this, he still has not said a single thing on Gonzaw's case against him. He hasn't brought it up nor has he made a single mention of it. As of that^^ post he still has not given any solid opinions on who is scummy and who's not. Spoilered because I don't want to clutter my case >.> + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: Honestly johnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time. Okay, finally have an opinion. johnnyboy is your biggest scumread. On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim. Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess. I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He shits up the rest of this post with useless crap. But wait!! Despite johnnyboy having Risen's biggest scumread, Risen votes for marv?!?!?! Whyyyy??? Here's why: On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He's voting marv because marv placed his vote on VE. I call complete bullshit on Risen. He put his vote on marv because marv is easy wagon #1. Sound familiar? We got you cornered mofo. If Town has enough sense to realize this then you're getting lynched today. Him defending himself: Rage rage insult rage insult insult rage. Also a very interesting quote: On April 23 2012 07:25 Risen wrote: EBWOP: Then again, maybe you are scum. NO ONE can be that certain of someone's alignment day 1. Only scum could know with the certainty you claim, Paq. Reading through your posts, how were you sooo certain that VE's claim was true? You were defending him as if your life depended on it. You didn't question or have doubt about his claim at all. It didn't even strike you that he claimed a role no one could confirm. On April 23 2012 05:37 Risen wrote: It came up in post game chat in LI, and I've never considered it b/c information is information, but why would a no-lynch be bad in this game. Mafia KP isn't determined by the number of people they have alive, it's determined by who their goons are. Aren't accurate lynches therefor that much more necessary? Or is the information gained from a lynch that valuable even in a setup like this. TL;DR: Get the hell off VE and on to anyone else. I'll no lynch over lynching VE 100% I'm reading through Sentinel's filter now. After I check out his and Zepphird I'll post any thoughts I have. | ||
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Bad because well, you guys can tell from his posts and lack of any real contribution + lack of pro-town play. Good because he's fooling me into thinking he's bad town. But it is his first game, so I'm thinking bad town. Also: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 23:10 Zephirdd wrote: *sigh* BH/J flipped town. That means all the opinions from the two-headed player are town opinions. That means two town players were thinking that Marvellosity and Ottoxlol were scum. Gonzaw's latest thoughts were that me and Sentinel were scum Sloosh does not state anything specific, but he accused MG and asked for people's opinions on both me and him. Also It's his first TL Mafia game and you'd know it if you read his filter By the way, lynching Risen or johnny is retarded. IF you want my opinion, I'd say Sentinel is the best lynch target right now. Last post of his: It's been about 12 hours. He also has very little substance. Leaving my vote on him for now. This post doesn't do much except recount the dead's scumreads, which was already done by several people. But it looks like it's contributing right? I want your opinion on why it'd be retarded to lynch Risen. | ||
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On April 25 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote: Crazy de lurk timing wtf ninja'd. I didn't write that post in 4 minutes. | ||
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On April 25 2012 08:57 Risen wrote: Yeah I don't think mattchew could seriously think you'd whip that up the second you were called out. Having said that... I wasn't certain VE was town, and I never said that. NEVER. No where will you find me saying that. You know what you will find me saying? Don't vote VE, he's a claimed "doctor" and lynching him, especially on day 1 before a single night has passed, is the highest level of stupidity. You didn't have to say you were certain about VE's claim, it was obvious in how you were reacting. You defended him as if you completely believed his claim was true (You would have taken even taken a no lynch to save him). No one can be that certain, especially about a role that couldn't be confirmed. That said, I was wrong about Ottoxlol. I misread his words. He's played Mafia, just not at TL. | ||
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On April 25 2012 09:08 Risen wrote: Both of you need to seriously sit there and think about what I just said. I was not certain VE was town, I WAS HOWEVER 100% CERTAIN LYNCHING VE WAS STUPID. I didn't imply shit about being certain he was town. We lynch to kill scum, right? We do not lynch to kill town, right? And you really really really did not want VE lynched, right? Sooo, yeah... If you read through your filter you can see how hard you were defending VE. You were defending him with so much vigor that you even declared anyone voting for him should be lynched/vigi'd. | ||
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He posts a quick defense of Marv, shown here: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 11:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Marv, not counting his first 5-10 posts, hasn't actually done anything worth the lynch. I mean, if he was on the guillotine and I had to give ONE reason to lynch him, it would be fluffing. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because it pales in comparison to: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 20:13 BlazingJitsu wrote: Marvellosity. Let me talk to you. No correction let me talk AT you. what are you doing this game? Let's look at your filter + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 09:05 marvellosity wrote: Mattchew, I thought we were gonna have a long, happy, and romp-filled relationship, then you make me click on multiple spoilers. On April 21 2012 10:23 marvellosity wrote: I've tried to think of a bunch of different scenarios and I've not yet managed to picture one where mafia couldn't claim the same situation. The only way a vigi really clears himself is by shooting scum :/ On April 21 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote: Holy gonzaw post. Nice ^--- These posts are short and worthless. ^--- this post is actually correct, but interestingly, despite the fact that it's the right time to talk about the game mechanics... you never talk about the game mechanics. You ask some unhelpful questions and echo worthless obvious shit other people have said, but otherwise you're deadweight. Where's your contributions, Marv? Where's the discussion that it is "absolute the right time" to talk about? or do you only have inane questions? ^=== HOLY SHIT this question is bad. holy shit. Of course there's good circumstances to make a vig shot! SHOOT A SCUM GUY. Christ. Even if you shoot a godfather, at least that's a data point (not quite a DT check's worth, because it might hasve been roleblock), and if you shoot a goon, hey, you shot a goon. Are you TRYING to be as unhelpful as possible? Are you TRYING to actively inhibit our blue roles? Surely if so it's through neither quality of prose nor persistence in communicating the ideas contained therein with your miniscule cumuluative post length. Typically this is where I say "you can do better, marv" but really, ANYONE could do better. You're shitting on the town and trying to build up a post count without saying ANYTHING. You're lurking in plain sight. ##vote: marvellosity. -Blazinghand Especially the part about a good time to make a vig shot. First off, the tone of BH's post is like sulfuric acid to my lemon juice. I've never, ever, seen him post like that before. Second, BH should have more of a problem with VE. Marv asked a stupid question? Big fucking whoop. We've all done it at one point or another, it's not a death sentence. Unwarranted, this is. He makes two FoS, St. Daniel: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 11:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Um... St. Daniel has one post? How are we supposed to analyze this? This is fluff. All of it. He posted seven hours ago, and I'm feeling a little generous so I'll wait till he posts again before making final judgment. But definitely flashing red to me. And Brood: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 11:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: EBWOP: Brood has one post too (at least one with any substance). This is a little better than St. Dan because it actually talks about vig mechanics. But I don't see how that creates such a disparity that we barely talk about Brood but cast suspicion on St. Dan. On April 22 2012 11:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: EBWODP: I'm suspicious of Brood too. Need to mention that so it doesn't look like I'm contradicting myself in my second post. Here we can see his voteswitch from Ghost to VE: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 22:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ok. What the hell is a "non-cooperative Jailkeeper"? Coupled with trying to sway townies so much over the course of this thread, I feel no shame in voting VE. ##Unvote: ghost_403 ##Vote: VisceraEyes St. Dan is next on my list. As for Brood, his last post was fluff but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. His next important post is his self-defense of Gonzaw's case against him: + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 05:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: + Show Spoiler [My defense vs. Gonzaw] + On April 24 2012 12:18 gonzaw wrote: Is it against the rules to talk in this time? No, but thanks for helping me read less text. Anyways, I seem to be falling into the red again, so let's get to business. On April 24 2012 09:16 gonzaw wrote: Sentinel I think he's scum. Here is his first "important" post: (All the ones before that one were just useless filler.) <<My first important post>> He just posts this to defend himself. All the 1st points of this posts are him making excuses and defending himself against accusations. Can't argue with that. That's actually the reason I came out of the woodwork in the first place. He suspects sloosh for some arbitrary reason (sloosh saying "I like Ottoxlul"). Notice how he never mentions his thoughts about sloosh again in the whole game This is my thought process at the time: 1. Read filters, including sloosh's. 2. Observe that sloosh's is starting out bad because post is scummy. 3. Sloosh makes pretty good argument vs. VE. I buy it and not care about sloosh again. His next point is an OMGUS against ghost. His reasoning for voting ghost is that ghost thinks he's scum and didn't post "reasoning" behind it, which is bogus since ghost did offer some reasoning behind it here: <<reasoning behind it here>> You know what else happens in that post? Just like I told many other players, he completely ignores the current discussion at hand He ignores everything about VE, the cases made against him, or the discussion about my "scumslip" and shit. He ignores the Mattchew vs Paqman deal, and he ignores the BH vs marv deal as well. His only motivation for making that post is to: -Defend himself -Offer a shitty vote on a player that has NOTHING to do with the current discussion You call that reasoning? I call it a pretty stupid idea to lynch me. I didn't think enough of VE to address him. All I said is that sloosh's case looks pretty good. Marv (and St. Dan and Brood) I actually get to. And of course I'm going to defend myself, because that's what you're supposed to do when you're under suspicion. His post only serves to disrupt, misdirect discussion and respond to accusations so he's not in the spotlight. His next posts are filler too, he doesn't contribute anything worthwhile. He then starts arguing with ghost, yet he never states if he thinks ghost is scum or not in those posts He just argues against ghost for the sake of arguing and defending himself, he's not scumhunting AT ALL, not even against those that he supposedly thinks is scum. (For example, these posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=23#443 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=23#454 ) At that point I was more pissed off at ghost than willing to support the town. Otherwise I can't argue with that. This is the FIRST post in the whole game where he actually discusses the current events: Is wishy washy regarding marv, and here is where the fun begins: In the next few posts, Sentinel starts into a "suspicion-spree", spouting names of players and players and how he finds them slightly suspicious or is wishy washy regarding them Here are the posts: BH: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=23#457 Daniel: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=23#459 Brood: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=23#460 Dan and Brood had shit posts but I gave them the benefit of the doubt since they had so little, and by calling them out for that I would be a hypocrite. Red but redeemable. He's wishy washy about them or suspicious about them, but doesn't mention them at all later (he only mentions Daniel and Brood one more time, nothing else), or pressure them, or discuss them, or posting more thoughts about them. He just soughts suspicion on those players and then forgets about them. His initial suspicion of sloosh falls in this category as well. Erm, sloosh was in my first post? I actually mentioned them again in my vote on VE: Now comes his vote on VE: Really? Here is his reasoning for voting VE: Notice how this is the first time in the game he mentions VE He never mentioned when VE called me out and started his "lynch gonzaw!" crusades, I wasn't here for that and skimmed the thread nor mentioned him when I and sloosh posted cases against him, I wasn't here for that and skimmed the thread or when other people mentioned him. He mentions him only after he claims, and what does he say? Almost nothing. His "What the hell is a..." statement is useless since it doesn't state anything about his opinion on the matter. I thought it was pretty obvious that I was indignant at his claim and didn't believe it. His "Coupled with......" statement is just very vague and doesn't really say anything about VE's alignment. Apart from that he doesn't say anything else about VE, he doesn't post more thoughts about VE, or about other current discussions about VE either. You can bust me for lack of content but I think the message was pretty clear. "Bullshit, you're scum and I'm voting you for it. Do I really need to work on my word choice that much? Oh, yeah he also mentioned my case about Risen a little bit: ...but is completely wishy washy about it, fails to make an actual opinion on it, and only serves to "ask" about Risen's past games. Then when layabout actually goes through the effort of linking to said games, Sentinel doesn't mention it at all nor mentions Risen at all. Do you want me to start posting "Oh. Ok. Yeah, that make sense, carry on." every time I've felt that way in the thread? Because really on a lot of things, all I can really start saying is "Yeah, I agree with this." because they've pretty much got the whole subject covered. Conclusion: [list] [*]Sentinel is just posting to avoid the spotlight. When he posts he either just defends himself against accusations, he posts fluff and filler about useless things (like that "QT=/=PM" post), or posts wishy-washy stances on other players Yeah, I'm guilty of doing that. Can't say anything about that. [*]He ignores all current discussions and posts things that are irrelevant to them. He talks about players that have nothing to do with the discussion (and like said before in a wishy-washy manner), he talks about current events way too late and doesn't provide any new (or even remotely useful) content regarding it [*]Starts fighting with ghost to disrupt the thread, starts FoSing him but after they keep fighting he fails to take a stance on the ghost subject, he just argues with him for the sake of arguing. Again, I was pissed. If I was scum I wouldn't be pissed because ghost would be telling the truth and I would be only bullshitting. [*]He is "suspicious" and wishy washy about a lot of players and never makes the effort of mentioning them again or contributing more thoughts about them. My total was three? [*]He votes VE without any reasoning and only based on VE "trying to sway townies", and nothing else Yadda yadda yadda end of argument Altogether I think his defense is weak. It contains a bunch of one-liner excuses. I haven't seen anything pro-town from him besides his case against Ottoxlol. He doesn't bother to keep up with the thread or current discussions unless it's to defend himself. I'm not going to argue against lynching him. However, I still think there are better options on the table than Sentinel. Will read zepphird. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 09:16 Zephirdd wrote: Okay, whoever thinks what he did was reasonable should also rethink a little. I"m not taking blame for that either; it was VE's own play that did that. His claim made no sense and he did us the favor of not posting the freaking case against him. I'm all into a marv. lynch for the next day given how bad he wanted VE dead. I mean seriously, his latest posts were like a dog drooling at a piece of meat. On April 23 2012 09:53 Zephirdd wrote: because it's fun to create a scumlist prior doing any analysis or whatsoever, MidnightGladius marvellosity PaqMan --insert unknown scum here-- List done out of pure feelings and zero evidence or analysis and should not be taken seriously at all Also, may I remind you that my vote was completely and ultimately worthless, as in, even if I didn't vote VE would die. Also, keep this in your mind: if I knew VE was going to die already, and if I already knew he was a JK(as in, if I was scum), why the fuck would I instantly jump right at the deadline and put a worthless vote on him when I could simply vote, say, marvellosity? Suddenly, I'm not looking that bad anymore, am I? Also I agree with BMurray being vigged. I'm not sure if he is town or scum, but it would be better if he just died and we didn't had to care about him anymore. More things that irk me: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 12:24 Zephirdd wrote: No, I haven't. It's midnight right now and I have class tomorrow. Expect something from me in about... idk, 14 to 16 hours? Yeah that should be it. I'll probably log in with my cellphone and maybe post something, but a real analysis will come in about 14 to 16 hours minimum. It's monday and I don't have to call my gf in the afternoon(finally, the girl was driving me crazy) so yeah, I'll finally get time. I may even have to retract my previous statement about you, PaqMan. I know that I've been useless so far, but I promise you all that I'm not scum right now. I also got a bit of British speech, I just finished watching Sherlock Holmes. The first one. I love these kinds of movies. You tell me that you're going to give me a real analysis. The next day you tell me this: K I was planning on making a case on someone But then I realized that there is no point in making a case right now. Instead, I'll just post whatever the fuck is flowing in my mind about the game. I agree that there's not much of a point to write up some big analysis during night, but your attitude about it screams extreme laziness to me. You're purposely putting hardly any effort into your analysis, which makes sense if you look at it from a scum point-of-view. Why would you put so much time and work into your posts when you're scum? The rest of that post is the only real contribution he's made so far. Also, you totally ignored the question I asked you. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 08:51 PaqMan wrote: Also a quick note: I think ottoxlol is bad town or good scum. Bad because well, you guys can tell from his posts and lack of any real contribution + lack of pro-town play. Good because he's fooling me into thinking he's bad town. But it is his first game, so I'm thinking bad town. Also: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 23:10 Zephirdd wrote: *sigh* BH/J flipped town. That means all the opinions from the two-headed player are town opinions. That means two town players were thinking that Marvellosity and Ottoxlol were scum. Gonzaw's latest thoughts were that me and Sentinel were scum Sloosh does not state anything specific, but he accused MG and asked for people's opinions on both me and him. Also It's his first TL Mafia game and you'd know it if you read his filter By the way, lynching Risen or johnny is retarded. IF you want my opinion, I'd say Sentinel is the best lynch target right now. Last post of his: It's been about 12 hours. He also has very little substance. Leaving my vote on him for now. This post doesn't do much except recount the dead's scumreads, which was already done by several people. But it looks like it's contributing right? I want your opinion on why it'd be retarded to lynch Risen. Read: bold I feel that Zephirdd is scummier than Sentinel. However I think either one would be a good lynch candidate. I still believe that Ottox is bad town. He's been posting consistently and he's been keeping up with his reasons even under pressure (he keeps stating that he doesn't have a scum read on anyone, etc etc). He's playing bad but I think he's town. So we should keep the lynch candidates small, as someone earlier stated. Zephirdd/Sentinel and Risen. This is the last time I'm going to post about Risen since I'm guessing I have no support whatsoever. Just please pay attention. 1) At the beginning of D1, Risen is just passively chilling. As soon as he gets mentioned and put to attention, however, he has this violent outburst. As soon as the spotlight is pointed at him, he accuses layabout of trying to start an "easy wagon." Only two people (layabout and sloosh) start discussing him and he declares himself as "easy wagon #1". + Show Spoiler [seen here] + On April 22 2012 03:04 Risen wrote: I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me. ##vote layabout I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too. 2) After VE claims, Risen starts defending him. I agree in that Risen has some good points, but the ferocity in which he defends VE is astounding. VE claimed a role that could not be confirmed. It's as if Risen was 100% certain that VE wasn't lying about being town. 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I just wanna know what everyone thinks of Risen and why ;_; | ||
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On April 26 2012 07:27 layabout wrote: Dont vote for zephird! ottozlol's play suggests that he very well could be town because he has made the effort to do things that townies should do. His opinions have some level of consistency. The same cannot be said for MidnightGaldius. His posting suggests that he is looking for easy candidates to push instead of scum to lynch. If you think you can convince people to unvote and vote MG before lynch then by all means do it. But when it comes close to lynch time and you don't have the support, please change your vote to one of the two candidates | ||
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On April 26 2012 07:29 Mementoss wrote: Yeah I definitely would. But I was saying that at a point where he unvoted long ago and was leaving his vote as a wild card, as he just voted he voted who I expected him to. yeah my bad, didn't see the ninja'd part. | ||
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On April 26 2012 07:56 johnnywup wrote: The lynch is in an hour right? I think MG would be a good lynch but I don't think we have enough time. Isn't there the possibility of bussing? I think it's more than a possibility at this point. So don't let MG voting zeph make you think zeph is town. You have other reasons for thinking zeph is town, I guess. I think it's MG+Sentinel+Zeph+One other on a scum team atm. I like you pushing a read but it's too late right now. this is just false, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=36#705 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=38#741 so, MG+Sentinel+Zeph+Risen? I didn't even notice that. What's up Risen? | ||
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On April 26 2012 08:07 johnnywup wrote: I'm thinking of doing a last second push onto you risen. I don't think theres enough time/people available to do it however. Come tomorrow I hope I see your name on the day post, shot from a vig. If not, I want you lynched. I'm confident you're scum now. I'm down for it. | ||
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On April 26 2012 08:10 Risen wrote: And you are confident why? I look forward to your case. Paq is probably pissing himself he's so happy he has a convert. lol yeah i did. You still fail to actually explain yourself. You were telling Town on D1 to push Zeph hard. D2's about to be over, zeph's at high risk at being lynched and then you're saying that you didn't see anything scummy in his filter until just recently. wassup with dat? | ||
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If you compare him with Zeph, zeph is a hellota scummier than Ottox. | ||
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On April 26 2012 09:10 Risen wrote: I pretty much confirmed myself as the person to be lynched tomorrow when I panicked. I'm sorry. Good luck town. I'll make the requisite posts tomorrow so I'm not modkilled and I'll post as many cases as I can. Wait, what? Why are you assuming that you're going to get lynched? | ||
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Soooo... why did you pull that voteswitch the first place? Did you not think about that before-hand? | ||
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On April 26 2012 09:10 Risen wrote: I pretty much confirmed myself as the person to be lynched tomorrow when I panicked. I'm sorry. Good luck town. I'll make the requisite posts tomorrow so I'm not modkilled and I'll post as many cases as I can. | ||
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I wish I hadn't voted for Zephirdd but I wanted my vote to count, and I had no support for Risen. My reason for voting him over Ottox was that I believed Ottox was just a bad townie. Ghosts's posts are good, they'e just about convinced me otherwise. Idk but it's also kind of strange how he keeps declaring that BK and Risen are town. On April 27 2012 04:34 marvellosity wrote: The point is that it's possible but what I have written is possible too. You would have to assume that scum blundered massively by not putting a vote on Zephirdd earlier and avoiding all this. You also have to assume Ottoxlol is scum, and you probably have to assume Ottoxlol is goon for Risen to have saved him like that. That's a fair amount of assuming - much like you were uncomfortable making the opposite assumptions. Now, if we are going to lynch Risen, we should be very sure about lynching him on the basis of his entire play this game, not just the moment of retardation/scummyness at voting close. Because if Risen is scum, then we get Ottoxlol for free. So we'd better be bloody sure Risen is scum, because the benefits are so great and obviously town is in terrible shape if we mislynch. This means we have to lynch Risen not just on the basis of the vote swap, but his entire behaviour. There are numerous cases against Risen. If you're not confident about his alignment I suggest you read those cases and decide. | ||
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On April 27 2012 07:26 Mementoss wrote: St.Daniel = Inactive BillMurray = Lurking imo Yeah, seeing as St. D was sick and dropped out of his other game, I think that dude's just inactive. I'd rather have Ottox or Risen lynched over BM. But BM hasn't done anything helpful so I'm not sure what we should do about him. | ||
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On April 27 2012 07:35 marvellosity wrote: And did he ever get more than one vote? During the day cycle clearly I will have to indeed go over the Risen cases and Risen's filter to make my own judgement, yes. At one point he had 3, but other than that no. | ||
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On April 27 2012 08:51 St.Daniel wrote: I agree. We should also consider who someone voted with. For sample, if 2 or more people casted the lynch vote on same person for multiple lynches, thst's something we need to take a look at. Note that my theory doesn't work 100% of times but it is something to think about. Where the hell have you been, and what was up with that ninja vote | ||
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On April 27 2012 08:52 johnnywup wrote: paqman, what was he supposed to respond to? You just quoted him. He said he was going to post as many cases as he could tomorrow. I wanna read his cases. | ||
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On April 27 2012 11:52 iGrok wrote: goddamn it. Finally home give me a couple minutes. It's cool, don't sweat it! | ||
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On April 27 2012 12:28 johnnywup wrote: Why mattchew and pacman, St.D? Because he hasn't been keeping up with the game. I'm tired, soo goodnight everyone. I'm not gonna be back until around the same time I started posting today. | ||
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On April 25 2012 02:59 Mementoss wrote: Everyone keeps asking this question.. It seems like scum have noticed this...To me it feels as today went on Ottoxols posts have got worse and worse, newbier and newbier. It feels like in the scumQT someone just said, yeah dude just play the Newb card hard. This. I went through Mementoss's posts to see if he dropped any hints, but I couldn't find anything definite. MT was really wanting to lynch Ottox but I didn't catch him saying that he was totally sure ottox was scum or not. Right now Ottox is a good lynch but we still have more than a day and plenty other options that we need to look at. If votes start piling up on one person pay attention to everyone's reasons. We're one away from lylo, Town needs to take a close look at everything and everyone. | ||
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On April 28 2012 08:38 Risen wrote: Whatever I'm voting ottoxlol. I gave up when I realized it came out that we lost a second blue. Who else is there to make a case on? I already screwed us by completely screwing up yesterday b/c I'm horrible. I read through people's filters and this game is so trashed what's the point? I'm going to vote for ottox, he's still my strongest scumread besides BM who everyone seems to be A OK with lurking like a boss then popping in for two seconds then popping back out. Same with freakin St Daniels I don't care that he was sick or whatever. Every game I'm in is ruined by lurkers. When ottox flips that means I'm lynched next. And then it's pretty much lylo according to gonzaw's earlier statement. I'm sorry, like I said earlier this is pretty much the second consecutive gamed I've ruined and I didn't even know I could ruin a game when I wasn't an alignment checker. ##vote: ottoxlol I'm voting BM tomorrow. You're screwing us over by not helping. Get your shit together and contribute. There's got to be more people you think is scum besides ottox. Where's the cases you told us you'd post?! Giving up like the way you are is weak. If you think the game is "so trashed" than PLEASE request a replacement. If you want to prove your town then start giving us stuff to work with, not these "ohh pity me!" posts. | ||
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On April 28 2012 09:11 marvellosity wrote: Whatever, I already had a go at him. Why don't you join the discussion at hand instead of berating him like I already did? Because I think he's scum. If all he wants to do is complain about how bad he is then he should ask for a replacement. He's not helping town at all. And what discussion? The only thing you're doing is speculating. "If ottox is town, risen could be town or scum. Or ottox could be town and risen scum herpderp." ^^is not discussion. I'll join the discussion when it starts benefiting town, not spamming the thread with uselessness. | ||
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On April 28 2012 09:22 johnnywup wrote: Yeah ok, finding scum isn't a priority paqman. -_- Speculation is discussion. You guys are repeating the same discussion that's already been talked about. How is that helping the rest of us out? I never said finding scum isn't a priority, that's exactly what I want y'all to do instead of "it doesnt make sense why he would voteswitch?!?!". Speculation might be discussion but it's useless and doesn't help us in finding scum, especially if it's already been discussed. On April 28 2012 09:24 marvellosity wrote: You're an idiot. I have specifically asked for feedback on the issue of Risen making a case on Ottoxlol when he very much didn't have to. Answer the question. I've asked it more than once, stop just quoting little bits to make a stupid point. Yes, I'm an idiot for pointing out how useless your herpderp conversation was. I thought it was a pretty good case and it was the only thing that gave him townie points from me. | ||
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On April 28 2012 09:32 Ottoxlol wrote: Why are we still talking about this me+Risen thing? lynching me will give all the information you need about Risen, you can discuss it next day. Talk about other stuff. This discussion leads nowhere and useless. We won't find any scum with it. Okay. Who are your top 4 scum reads and why? | ||
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On April 25 2012 08:03 Ottoxlol wrote: Risen gonzaws case against him He tried to defend VE, but with not the best tools After that he starts to rally people to other candidates (marv/bm). He explained that he did FoS these people only because they had votes on them so it would have been easier to get ahead of VE. I think his reasoning is clear, I find him town. On April 26 2012 08:52 Ottoxlol wrote: So its seems like ill get lynched, ill post my thoughts MG + Risen are most likely scum. Zeph Sent Mementoss laya are my other candidates. Zeph had some very strange logic and posts Sent is getting better, but the VE lynch is still there. Mementoss said his problem with me that i did not scumhunt at all, I posted the case on VE d1, d2 I tried to be helpful, posted case, took a stance, he did not lift his vote contrary to his post. laya stated that i am most likely town, zeph is maybe then he voted me for the kill. On April 27 2012 03:55 Ottoxlol wrote: Risen: he is more likely a townie that made a mistake with his swap, I don't see why a scum would do anything like this Brood: since it was a double town vote I doubt that a scum would wait for the last minute, its good for them anyway, why wait? Ottox's play is off. The quick switch in opinion? Scummy. On April 27 2012 04:51 Ottoxlol wrote: If I am scum, BK is town. If he were scum he would have voted before mat and laya so I wouldve lived without Risens help. On April 27 2012 05:10 Ottoxlol wrote: I pointed out that is a mistake in his argument. I think BK is town. If JK/Tracker thinks I am scum, pointing out the uselessness of tracking or jailing BK is good. On April 27 2012 05:16 Ottoxlol wrote: no, he says to jail and or track BK when if I am scum its worthless since that would mean BK is town. On April 27 2012 05:21 Ottoxlol wrote: If you think i am 100% scum then BK is town. the votes were 7 6 for Zeph at 07:26, plenty of time till the deadline with you and Matt saying you will vote for me. If he would have been scum he could easily voted before you guys (08:36) making the Risen switch unnecessary hardcore defense of BK. I think he's trying to incriminate BK, if ottox flips scum. I don't see a reason for Ottox to defend BK more than he's defending himself. Am I the only one who thinks that ottox's posting has gotten worst? Page 1 compared to: Page 6 I know it's sad, this is all I could come up with. I wrote up spoilers on BK and MG but they got deleted. So here's a watered-down copy of it. + Show Spoiler [MG] + On April 27 2012 14:28 MidnightGladius wrote: I haven't been giving this game the attention I should, between cohosting, work, and term papers. I can see that my play this game was been really lacking, and I just haven't been feeling my reads. I've been hedging my posts, because I honestly haven't felt the same kind of conviction with my cases. That said, mislynching me will cost us the game. You're just going to have to trust me. The fact that a bunch of townies have been pushing for me is disheartening, but I'm sure that you will find scum trying to hammer me today. If you couldn't commit as much as you wanted to, why would you sign up for the game? I know that real life kicks in and unexpected things happen, but come on dude /: That said, mislynching me will cost us the game. You're just going to have to trust me. That's asking a lot, considering what you've given us the past few days. Town's goal is to kill scum and win, and you haven't been helping us. Instead of telling us that lynching you will lose Town the game, why don't you start trying to make us reconsider your alignment? The fact that a bunch of townies have been pushing for me is disheartening, yes, most people have tagged you as part of the scum team. So why aren't you doing anything to prove us wrong??? Why aren't you doing anything to convince us otherwise?? Your posts at the beginning of the game were well-thought and nicely put together, but the quality has dropped since. If it is so "disheartening" to you then please do something to change my mind. + Show Spoiler [BK] + Before I looked up on him I was suspicious of BK as scum though I'm not sure why. After reading through BK's filter with a scum point-of-view, it didn't make much sense to me. He hasn't pushed forward any type of scum agenda or anything to incriminate him as scummy. His posts have been pretty consistent with each other as well. So far I think our lynch is between Ottox and Risen. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Bill Murray] + On April 23 2012 16:32 Bill Murray wrote: Oh, and Mattchew, the reason I play is because I love the game Just because I like to coast by D1 sometimes doesn't mean I'm not going to be posting more on subsequent days. We're in the early phase. There is not a single game where I drastically help the town that I'm not wagonned d1, after all scum find me an easy mislynch. He's about to coast by his 3rd day. He's picked up the activity more than what it was on D1, but it is still over the bare-minimum. On April 24 2012 06:48 Bill Murray wrote: adding marvellosity to my townreads on my power point with mattchew and that guy who asked to vig me im going to have something for you guys tomorrow in terms of a dedicated post see you all then It has been 3 days since this post. BM I would like to see this power point that you have. On April 27 2012 10:55 Bill Murray wrote: I've had an important day in real life. Sorry I haven't been as active as I'd like. If I do not make it into tomorrow, I would like to out my townreads: Layabout Mattchew Mementoss Janaan Marvelosity Paqman Scum: Ottoxlul St.Daniel JohnnyWup This is BM's only contribution and even then it barely gives us any insight. I would be cool with lynching BM. | ||
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On April 25 2012 11:58 Janaan wrote: Sentinel is still scummy to me right now, at the moment, though, I'd prefer a Zepherrd or Ottoxlol lynch today. Sentinel has slowly started looking better with his last couple posts, so I suppose he does have that going for him. On April 25 2012 14:39 Janaan wrote: Voting before I go to bed. In keeping with my prior suspicions: ##Vote: Zepherrd I'll be back on tomorrow a few hours before the deadline. Start consolidating those votes, right now we have them FAR too spread out. It would be too easy for scum to force a no lynch if things stay the way they are. You said in the first post you'd rather have Zepherdd or Ottoxlol lynched. So what made you choose Zepherdd over Ottox? And what made you change your mind about BM? You seemed content with voting him D1. | ||
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On April 29 2012 10:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Okay. The good news is that we're not one day away from LyLo anymore. We might even live to a whole week if the game goes on that long. However, I'm still nervous that Ottoxlol survived not one, but TWO lynches. We need to kill him. We should have lynched Ottox. MG was going to be modkilled anyways so our lynch was wasted. | ||
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On April 27 2012 12:26 St.Daniel wrote: It's ok, iGrok. I hope your job interview went well. I swear I didn't think Mementoss would die. Also, we don't have Vig? That's rather unfortunate, because we spent good chunk of first day talking about it (leading up to VE's claim). My guess are now MG, Sentinel, Mattchew and PaqMan. St. D's scum read in bold. Despite the fact that he voted for BM and thought it was "the most beneficial for town", BM was not put on St. D's final read. I think it's a possibility that either he listed townies or one of his scumbuddies. Tried looking through the rest of his filter and there's not much else to work with, seeing as he was really inactive this whole game. | ||
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On April 29 2012 13:26 BroodKingEXE wrote: First on Risen: Beginning of the game is fine to me acts pretty town. Then he gets caught in a lie and proceeds to be a dick about it. Then he has the vote switch. Now he is lurking, and making excuses. The problem I have with voting for him is that his latest posts look more townie, he's being honestly productive. The main case against him (gonzaw's, although townie) is shaky, and has painted him as scum. The vote switch is suspicious, but fits with his posting tone afterwards. Considering he made he the first case against Ottoxlol (he was ninja'ed by paq i'd call it a tie for first) it doesn't really fit in terms of both of them being scum. Conclusion: town Next on Ottolxlol: He starts off with shaky cases and proceeds to start to go after everyone. Funny that he was digging in so hard on VE, but pretty easily goes for BJ in the end. His pages 3 1/2 - 6 provide little reasoning, and are mostly response to others posts and reiterations of his own posts. Page 7 sees a transition into a bit more reasoned posts. I think that they have a towny vibe though, but the action of posting that many one-liners could be consdired scummy. He hasn't been posting very much about his actually reads, which makes me think he is a null-red read. At the moment though I feel BM still has more scummy posts than Ottolxlol, so I will vote for him until I can confirm a more red read. What are you talking about? What lie? I don't recall Risen getting ninja'd by me. | ||
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On April 30 2012 00:52 Ottoxlol wrote: ghost soft defending StD Paqman's attacking BM for lurking, mentions BK, doesnt mention StD apart from two very soft defenses. He mentions that we waste d3 discussion on stupid speculation, but doesnt contribute a thing. . I mentioned that we don't do stupid speculation. I also posted these: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 11:53 PaqMan wrote: + Show Spoiler [ottox] + On April 25 2012 08:03 Ottoxlol wrote: Risen gonzaws case against him He tried to defend VE, but with not the best tools After that he starts to rally people to other candidates (marv/bm). He explained that he did FoS these people only because they had votes on them so it would have been easier to get ahead of VE. I think his reasoning is clear, I find him town. On April 26 2012 08:52 Ottoxlol wrote: So its seems like ill get lynched, ill post my thoughts MG + Risen are most likely scum. Zeph Sent Mementoss laya are my other candidates. Zeph had some very strange logic and posts Sent is getting better, but the VE lynch is still there. Mementoss said his problem with me that i did not scumhunt at all, I posted the case on VE d1, d2 I tried to be helpful, posted case, took a stance, he did not lift his vote contrary to his post. laya stated that i am most likely town, zeph is maybe then he voted me for the kill. On April 27 2012 03:55 Ottoxlol wrote: Risen: he is more likely a townie that made a mistake with his swap, I don't see why a scum would do anything like this Brood: since it was a double town vote I doubt that a scum would wait for the last minute, its good for them anyway, why wait? Ottox's play is off. The quick switch in opinion? Scummy. On April 27 2012 04:51 Ottoxlol wrote: If I am scum, BK is town. If he were scum he would have voted before mat and laya so I wouldve lived without Risens help. On April 27 2012 05:10 Ottoxlol wrote: I pointed out that is a mistake in his argument. I think BK is town. If JK/Tracker thinks I am scum, pointing out the uselessness of tracking or jailing BK is good. On April 27 2012 05:16 Ottoxlol wrote: no, he says to jail and or track BK when if I am scum its worthless since that would mean BK is town. On April 27 2012 05:21 Ottoxlol wrote: If you think i am 100% scum then BK is town. the votes were 7 6 for Zeph at 07:26, plenty of time till the deadline with you and Matt saying you will vote for me. If he would have been scum he could easily voted before you guys (08:36) making the Risen switch unnecessary hardcore defense of BK. I think he's trying to incriminate BK, if ottox flips scum. I don't see a reason for Ottox to defend BK more than he's defending himself. Am I the only one who thinks that ottox's posting has gotten worst? Page 1 compared to: Page 6 I know it's sad, this is all I could come up with. I wrote up spoilers on BK and MG but they got deleted. So here's a watered-down copy of it. + Show Spoiler [MG] + On April 27 2012 14:28 MidnightGladius wrote: I haven't been giving this game the attention I should, between cohosting, work, and term papers. I can see that my play this game was been really lacking, and I just haven't been feeling my reads. I've been hedging my posts, because I honestly haven't felt the same kind of conviction with my cases. That said, mislynching me will cost us the game. You're just going to have to trust me. The fact that a bunch of townies have been pushing for me is disheartening, but I'm sure that you will find scum trying to hammer me today. If you couldn't commit as much as you wanted to, why would you sign up for the game? I know that real life kicks in and unexpected things happen, but come on dude /: That said, mislynching me will cost us the game. You're just going to have to trust me. That's asking a lot, considering what you've given us the past few days. Town's goal is to kill scum and win, and you haven't been helping us. Instead of telling us that lynching you will lose Town the game, why don't you start trying to make us reconsider your alignment? The fact that a bunch of townies have been pushing for me is disheartening, yes, most people have tagged you as part of the scum team. So why aren't you doing anything to prove us wrong??? Why aren't you doing anything to convince us otherwise?? Your posts at the beginning of the game were well-thought and nicely put together, but the quality has dropped since. If it is so "disheartening" to you then please do something to change my mind. + Show Spoiler [BK] + Before I looked up on him I was suspicious of BK as scum though I'm not sure why. After reading through BK's filter with a scum point-of-view, it didn't make much sense to me. He hasn't pushed forward any type of scum agenda or anything to incriminate him as scummy. His posts have been pretty consistent with each other as well. So far I think our lynch is between Ottox and Risen. + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 13:49 PaqMan wrote: I think BM would be a good candidate as well. Scum goals aren't necessarily to survive, but to survive long enough to force town to make errors. So far he's been able to survive by doing the bare minimum, while we've managed to lynch two townies. + Show Spoiler [Bill Murray] + On April 23 2012 16:32 Bill Murray wrote: Oh, and Mattchew, the reason I play is because I love the game Just because I like to coast by D1 sometimes doesn't mean I'm not going to be posting more on subsequent days. We're in the early phase. There is not a single game where I drastically help the town that I'm not wagonned d1, after all scum find me an easy mislynch. He's about to coast by his 3rd day. He's picked up the activity more than what it was on D1, but it is still over the bare-minimum. On April 24 2012 06:48 Bill Murray wrote: adding marvellosity to my townreads on my power point with mattchew and that guy who asked to vig me im going to have something for you guys tomorrow in terms of a dedicated post see you all then It has been 3 days since this post. BM I would like to see this power point that you have. On April 27 2012 10:55 Bill Murray wrote: I've had an important day in real life. Sorry I haven't been as active as I'd like. If I do not make it into tomorrow, I would like to out my townreads: Layabout Mattchew Mementoss Janaan Marvelosity Paqman Scum: Ottoxlul St.Daniel JohnnyWup This is BM's only contribution and even then it barely gives us any insight. I would be cool with lynching BM. Not much I know, but you can't say I didn't contribute anything. The fact that I hardly mentioned StD is because I bought his food poisoning excuse. It makes sense now why he dropped out the other game instead of this one. And if you really looked through my filter instead of summarizing the past few days, you'd know that I quickly lashed out at StD. here: + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2012 08:52 PaqMan wrote: Where the hell have you been, and what was up with that ninja vote And why would I want to lynch a dude that's not even playing when there's clearly better options? Ottox you never explained yourself to us. You keep saying that you think Risen is scum, then you say he's town, then you say he's scum again. WTF is up with your posting. On April 28 2012 11:53 PaqMan wrote: + Show Spoiler [ottox] + On April 25 2012 08:03 Ottoxlol wrote: Risen gonzaws case against him He tried to defend VE, but with not the best tools After that he starts to rally people to other candidates (marv/bm). He explained that he did FoS these people only because they had votes on them so it would have been easier to get ahead of VE. I think his reasoning is clear, I find him town. On April 26 2012 08:52 Ottoxlol wrote: So its seems like ill get lynched, ill post my thoughts MG + Risen are most likely scum. Zeph Sent Mementoss laya are my other candidates. Zeph had some very strange logic and posts Sent is getting better, but the VE lynch is still there. Mementoss said his problem with me that i did not scumhunt at all, I posted the case on VE d1, d2 I tried to be helpful, posted case, took a stance, he did not lift his vote contrary to his post. laya stated that i am most likely town, zeph is maybe then he voted me for the kill. On April 27 2012 03:55 Ottoxlol wrote: Risen: he is more likely a townie that made a mistake with his swap, I don't see why a scum would do anything like this Brood: since it was a double town vote I doubt that a scum would wait for the last minute, its good for them anyway, why wait? Ottox's play is off. The quick switch in opinion? Scummy. On April 27 2012 04:51 Ottoxlol wrote: If I am scum, BK is town. If he were scum he would have voted before mat and laya so I wouldve lived without Risens help. On April 27 2012 05:10 Ottoxlol wrote: I pointed out that is a mistake in his argument. I think BK is town. If JK/Tracker thinks I am scum, pointing out the uselessness of tracking or jailing BK is good. On April 27 2012 05:16 Ottoxlol wrote: no, he says to jail and or track BK when if I am scum its worthless since that would mean BK is town. On April 27 2012 05:21 Ottoxlol wrote: If you think i am 100% scum then BK is town. the votes were 7 6 for Zeph at 07:26, plenty of time till the deadline with you and Matt saying you will vote for me. If he would have been scum he could easily voted before you guys (08:36) making the Risen switch unnecessary hardcore defense of BK. I think he's trying to incriminate BK, if ottox flips scum. I don't see a reason for Ottox to defend BK more than he's defending himself. | ||
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On April 30 2012 09:37 johnnywup wrote: hey guys im eliminated from the tournament so i have a few moments to look over the thread. first off: do you have proof sentinel? I believe you but I'd like proof just in case Ottox is confirmed Not Goon from sentinels. I think we should aim for goons before GFs, even if we have confirmed scum. GFs are useless at this stage for scum, we don't have a vig so they don't have any real powers. We need to aim for the KP before we kill the GFs, imo. So if anyone has any idea who the Goon is, we should lynch that person. Haven't read the rest of the page but WTF. You cannot possibly be serious right now. First off, how can you so easily believe Sentinel's claim. Secondly, how can you possibly be certain that Ottox isn't goon Thirdly, Ottox has escaped our lynch TWICE. I'm not going to let it happen a third time. Fourthly, I'm not going to lynch someone that may or may not be scum over an obvious one that's chillin right in front of us. | ||
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On April 30 2012 10:31 PaqMan wrote: EBWOP: Forgot we only had one blue. Sentinel's claim is true. | ||
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On April 30 2012 11:28 Bill Murray wrote: this town... really? I guess I can't complain, considering what I've been doing all game. Are you scum? | ||
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On April 24 2012 06:48 Bill Murray wrote: adding marvellosity to my townreads on my power point with mattchew and that guy who asked to vig me im going to have something for you guys tomorrow in terms of a dedicated post see you all then Still waiting for your dedicated post brahh | ||
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On April 29 2012 13:26 BroodKingEXE wrote: At the moment though I feel BM still has more scummy posts than Ottolxlol, so I will vote for him until I can confirm a more red read. On April 30 2012 23:08 BroodKingEXE wrote: Looked over Ottox's filter(again) and it just looks more and more scummy. I can't see a newbie posting like this at all and even then I don't support newbies hiding behind that fact. The case against ghost is a shaky case at best. I'm down with voting for him. ##Vote: Ottoxlol So what made you confirm a red read on Ottox, besides his over-exaggerated newbie posting? | ||
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On May 01 2012 09:51 johnnywup wrote: I don't think Ottox is the correct lynch for today Then who is? | ||
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On May 02 2012 05:17 Mattchew wrote: sent/ghost/paq I would like to hear your reads on people I really prefer an Ottox lynch today. After him I want to see BM lynched. But the last scum I'm not too sure who it is. imo it's between Risen/BK/Ghost. + Show Spoiler [Risen] + I was sure Risen was scum for a while, especially after the whole voteswitch ordeal. As someone pointed out by someone else, Ottox was Risen's only strong case & read this whole game, so it makes no sense for him to change his vote during the last minutes. However, Risen started redeeming himself in my eyes, starting with this post: + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2012 04:04 Risen wrote: I come back expecting Ottox or me to be gone. Instead town has somehow managed to vote for someone else. Makes perfect sense. Also, LOL at the mafia losing a goon, that's hilarious. Post-game talk is gonna be titled "When Lurking Goes Wrong". Anyways, I had given up but now there's a serious chance we could win. I'll actually post cases shortly before day post (which is at 5PM PST correct?). I've missed so much b/c I pretty much was resigned to posting/voting to avoid modkill, I have a lot to read. I'm laughing so hard at scum fail right now. + Show Spoiler [BK] + IDK what to really make of BK. + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 13:26 BroodKingEXE wrote: First on Risen: Beginning of the game is fine to me acts pretty town. Then he gets caught in a lie and proceeds to be a dick about it. Then he has the vote switch. Now he is lurking, and making excuses. The problem I have with voting for him is that his latest posts look more townie, he's being honestly productive. The main case against him (gonzaw's, although townie) is shaky, and has painted him as scum. The vote switch is suspicious, but fits with his posting tone afterwards. Considering he made he the first case against Ottoxlol (he was ninja'ed by paq i'd call it a tie for first) it doesn't really fit in terms of both of them being scum. Conclusion: town Next on Ottolxlol: He starts off with shaky cases and proceeds to start to go after everyone. Funny that he was digging in so hard on VE, but pretty easily goes for BJ in the end. His pages 3 1/2 - 6 provide little reasoning, and are mostly response to others posts and reiterations of his own posts. Page 7 sees a transition into a bit more reasoned posts. I think that they have a towny vibe though, but the action of posting that many one-liners could be consdired scummy. He hasn't been posting very much about his actually reads, which makes me think he is a null-red read. At the moment though I feel BM still has more scummy posts than Ottolxlol, so I will vote for him until I can confirm a more red read. I don't like that last part. The lynch was between MG and Ottox, and he completely avoided taking a side by wasting his vote on BM. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2012 04:45 BroodKingEXE wrote: Can someone point out to me why all this suspicion about Ottoxlol? I'm having trouble finding any big cases against him. His earlier posts look fine to me. On April 30 2012 23:08 BroodKingEXE wrote: Looked over Ottox's filter(again) and it just looks more and more scummy. I can't see a newbie posting like this at all and even then I don't support newbies hiding behind that fact. The case against ghost is a shaky case at best. I'm down with voting for him. ##Vote: Ottoxlol This change of heart also bothers me. I can't get a good read on BK. I don't see what connects him with scum but I don't have a good gut-feeling on him. He's a possible lynch after BM. + Show Spoiler [Ghost] + After reading through johnny's case against Ghost, it sounded good. But after reading through it a few more times, johnny's points against Ghost aren't very good. On May 01 2012 10:57 johnnywup wrote: I've said I think BM is scum. So this stuff makes perfect sense. Soft defending his scum mate, and attacking townies (who we now know are indeed townies) As you can see on the date of Ghost's post (Apr. 23), the game had just recently started. I can agree that lynching a lurker when the game just started isn't that great of an idea. I don't see much else that incriminates Ghost as scummy. I'd prefer him last out of Risen and BK. After lynching Ottox and BM I can see it coming down to them. However, the possibility of the last remaining scum should not be limited to these three. As the days go on more interesting events will happen and we all need to keep an eye on each other. No one is guaranteed Town. | ||
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On May 02 2012 08:13 johnnywup wrote: Well, BM "counter claimed" with vig then was like nvm im green. So I don't count that. Ok, why don't we just lynch BM, if you think BM is scum too? Why does ottox have to be today? We have 50 minutes left and I think we can change the lynch to BM in that time. I don't like how many votes are on ottox despite me thinking he's scum, like I said, which makes me like a BM lynch more. I get that we'll still be talking about ottox tomorrow but he's not a goon so even if we do lynch him we're at the same place tomorrow. (-1 townie, -1scum, unless Sentinel JK's correctly, but he'll most likely be killed anyways). If we lynch the Goon we're in a good position. If we lynch the GF we're in about the same position. I really don't feel comfortable switching my vote off Ottox AGAIN and letting him slip past a lynch for 3 days in a row. | ||
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On May 02 2012 08:40 johnnywup wrote: anyways risen BKEXE is probably gonna be modkilled anyways. whats wifom about this at all paqman? Uhhhh idk, Risen's entire theory about Sentinel lying about is claim and is actually scum? Sure it's a possibility but I just don't see it being true. Plus it really looks like Risen is trying to save ottox AGAIN by fishing votes off of him and onto BK, without telling us what makes BK 100% scum. | ||
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We're in a horrible position but heed johnny's advice. We (the townies) all need to start thinking for ourselves and start forming our own opinions, not let ourselves get sheep'd. Goodnight. | ||
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I haven't delivered so my apologies. Basically my case was going to consist of going through Mattchew's filter and point out how his posting quality has increasingly dropped ever since he slipped out of the spot light. I'm still going to post it. | ||
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On May 02 2012 08:30 Mattchew wrote: meh fuck it.. sent you need to jail BM and we need to lynch Ottox. We are doing all the right things to come back from this travesty of a game If Mattchew is vig then wtf is up with this post. | ||
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On May 03 2012 09:05 Risen wrote: Yup time to vote BM. Sorry about doubting you Sentinel. I think it's pretty clear where I was coming from with calling you a liar, though. On May 03 2012 09:41 Risen wrote: Changed my mind. There's no real need to since Sentinel is confirmed town. Yeah wassup with these two posts. It's not clear where you were coming from at all, actually. BK wasn't the only reason you thought Sent was lying, WHAT WAS YOUR REASON TO CHANGE YOUR MIND LIKE THAT. Anddddd, On May 03 2012 09:46 Risen wrote: Mattchew is lying. That's all you have to say? Come on.. Mattchew's play before Ottox's lynch makes a whole lot of sense now.. Yeah Mattchew I didn't read your whole post because I put it off as soon as I saw BM's name in green. I still don't like that he could be townie. If you're telling the truth than I think Scum withheld their KP to make it look like Sent jailed BM. Also, the truth of your whole claim lies on whether or not Risen did get shot. | ||
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Assuming Mattchew's claim is true then that's the most likely scenario. What I don't like is why would Sentinel fake-claim. | ||
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On May 03 2012 11:25 Mattchew wrote: scum knew they would have to fake claim at somepoint cause of there only being 1 blue left and having the shot hit risen. the useless JK that all of a sudden jails everyone's scum read and he turns out to be goon probably seemed the most believable What night did you shoot Risen? | ||
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On May 02 2012 07:18 Bill Murray wrote: There is no point in you jailing at all. You're going to die tonight. On May 02 2012 07:23 Bill Murray wrote: I'm going to kill Risen tonight, btw I'm vig On May 02 2012 07:32 Bill Murray wrote: lol jk im green mattchew is scum for not replying to me claiming vig Yeah if he's town why is he shitting all over us. | ||
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On May 03 2012 11:43 johnnywup wrote: Paqman, what do you think of my plan? I think it just won town the game I like it. Only thing I see is that with both options, we still have a missing 3rd scum that we need to find out. | ||
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On May 03 2012 12:09 Mattchew wrote: Paq did you read what i linked to you, if so, do you have any thoughts? Yes. I thought it was really hilarious, lol. I still want him dead. That doesn't clear him of being scum and it doesn't justify him as town. | ||
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On May 03 2012 12:12 johnnywup wrote: We will know the 3rd Scum member, because in order for scum to get a lynch on a townie, they have to coordinate and mass lynch a townie, which will go against the lynch of the confirmed scum based on BMs flip. We won't have to look, they'll reveal themselves to us. If BM flips goon we lynch mattchew, if BM flips gf we lynch sent. Sent is only confirmed Jailer if BM flips Goon. What if BM flips goon, Sentinel fake-claimed, and Mattchew was telling the truth? I think it's possible that BM withheld his kp to support Sentinel by giving him more town cred in case the real blue (Mattchew) claims. | ||
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On May 03 2012 13:13 Mattchew wrote: basically johnny and paq, you guys have to stop being lazy and really think this decision ALL THE WAY THROUGH, analyzing every party involved I'm willing to lynch Risen. | ||
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On May 03 2012 13:25 Mattchew wrote: i want this answered i gtg to sleep ill be on occasionally throughout tomorrow and all day friday Easy. I don't believe your claim. | ||
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On May 03 2012 13:40 johnnywup wrote: ##unvote ##vote Risen I think we have the best chance of hitting scum in risen, regardless of who's telling the truth between sent and matt. also his "I quit" doesn't help his cause. what about your plan johnjohn?.. On May 03 2012 11:52 johnnywup wrote: Yeah. We'll worry about that after BMs flip. If BM flips town, its 6v3, then 5v3 after night kill. then we get a free scum in risen and sent, so its 5v2 then 4v2 after NK, then 4v1 and 3v1 after that NK (assuming the 3rd scum is the goon), which should be good enough to find the scum. if BM flips goon its 7v2, no NKs available. then next day we lynch matt so its 7v1, which should be unlosable for town. if BM flips GF, its 7v2, then after NK its 6v2, then we lynch sent for lying about being jk so its 6v1 (5v1 after NK assuming 3rd scum is goon) All 3 situations are incredibly favored for town. All 3 situations are incredibly favored for town. And yet you so easily and quickly take your vote off BM, disregarding the fact that you believe lynching BM is incredibly favored for town. Hopping on an easy wagon? | ||
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On May 03 2012 13:48 Risen wrote: I can't believe you're even entertaining Mattchew's claim as being true. Your mislynch is costing us the game. We already should have lost, and now you're just pissing away our second chance. And Paq, the either town idiot or brilliant scum who's been tunneling me all game for NO REASON. And YOU johnnywup. I've never seen someone flip flop more in a game. You're worse than Romney. I'm done with this circus. We got a second chance and it's being thrown away. Why don't you quit whining for once and actually play? | ||
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On May 03 2012 14:04 Bill Murray wrote: Im going to wait until Sent claims who he was on if he was on me, mafia no killed, and I'm going to be voting Mattchew If he was on someone else, I'm going to vote them In the meantime, I know Ghost and Risen are scum with one of Matt/Sent ##Vote: Ghost_403 + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 11:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ok. Everybody calm the fuck down. Mattchew is claiming vigilante and unless he's trolling it's a good chance he's one of the two godfathers. Because what does vigilante flip when he dies? I'm going to vote for Bill Murray because that is who I jailed tonight. Now granted, if I were scum, I'd rather sit and not kill, then Bill Murray gets lynched as townie and you get a free kill, BUT that's a waste of a night. It boils down to this. For the sake of this post, let's assume that mafia has to place a kill and BM is not goon: If the mafia decides not to kill someone, we lynch Bill Murray, and then tonight they kill another townie. If the mafia does order a kill, they don't know who we're likely to lynch and have to play more conservatively for another night because the obvious candidate, Bill Murray, is not the goon. However, while the first scenario looks more appealing at first because they kill two townies, I don't think it's a good deal. For example, they could place a kill on me. If they killed me, we could have questions: Did I really jail BM? If BM is not the goon, who is? Neither one of these could be answered because I was away when the night ended, and I am no longer alive. TL;DR: If BM is not goon, it's a bad tradeoff for the mafia to withhold their kill and make it look like I did it. Therefore, I will assume that BM is in fact the goon, that I have successfully jailed him, and that he will be lynched today. ##Vote: Bill Murray | ||
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On May 04 2012 05:03 Mattchew wrote: Why else would they fake jail him... I guess he COULD be scum but that would mean their whole team sent/risen/bm would be involved in this and that doesn't seem like it's very logical... I think logically sent's fake claim means bm is town Okay so I don't believe you or sentinel. So I think BM would be a pretty good lynch. Him or Risen. | ||
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On May 04 2012 04:54 Risen wrote: Changing my vote to confirmed scum mattchew. How is he confirmed scum? Every time suspicion gets thrown onto you, you pull the RAGEQUIT card and stop playing. Yeah I'm not buying that bs. Your play the entire game has been scum play, so I'm putting my vote back onto you. | ||
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One of Mattchew or Sentinel is town so lynching either of them right now is dangerous. I fully believe we should take the third option and lynch Risen. If Mattchew is telling the truth, Risen will flip godfather and we can proceed to lynch the remaining scum. | ||
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After your horrible voteswitch didn't you say that you were going to make a lot of cases and posts? Didn't you come back after you supposedly "gave up" and said you were going to get back into the game? And then you said you were quitting AGAIN. What's up with that trash? I really hope that you're just trolling us. | ||
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But what really bothers me the most about the whole ordeal is that Mattchew's claim could have been a last-ditch effort to save BM from getting lynched. I want to see Sentinel posting more when he returns. | ||
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Why am I going to trust the guy that I've had scum reads on when all he says is this: + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 09:46 Risen wrote: Mattchew is lying. Followed by this: + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 13:35 Risen wrote: I quit. yeah great argument bro. | ||
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On May 04 2012 09:47 Risen wrote: There are two options for you: 1) Mattchew is lying. Lynch Mattchew 2) Sentinel is lying. Lynch Sentinel How the hell do you come up with One of them is lying. Lynch Risen? I guess I forgot to tell you this, but I think your scum. And I'd rather lynch scum dead-on than have a 50/50 chance with Mattchew/Sentinel. Mattchew needs to come in here and make a response. | ||
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On May 04 2012 09:50 Risen wrote: Alright, that makes sense (it doesn't because you can not have me confirmed 100% unless you're scum). Don't know why I came back. I'm pulling a VE and leaving. GG scum. good decision scum. I didn't think it was possible to quit 3 times in a single game. | ||
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On May 04 2012 10:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Wait. I'm an idiot. I didn't vote Zephirdd! I voted Ottoxlol! Point being, BOTH were town. And how does that clear Risen of being scum. | ||
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didn't quit the game every time he thinks he's going to get lynched, to make himself look town. didn't promise posts and cases and then proceed to actively lurk. didn't tell us he was going to show why Sent was lying, then turn right around and say Sent is confirmed town. | ||
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On May 04 2012 10:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: What has Risen done that Zephirdd has not? Avoiding my question. I don't understand your logic. How does Zephirdd flipping town in any way make you think Risen is also town. | ||
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On May 04 2012 11:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I don't believe Risen is town, but I don't believe he's scummy enough to get lynched. I'd rather lynch someone like BM who's more likely to be a goon. I'd say Risen if scum is GF at the most. My retraction came because I was reading Zeph's filter and Zeph sounded A LOT like Risen in his final playstile before he was lynched. Risen is definitely scummy, but he is not the main priority. BM is the main priority. And I don't believe Mattchew is a goon. I believe he's a vig. It would make more sense, both according to gonzaw's theory and the fact that he gets lynched he flips GF either way. And I'm actually quite busy these last few days. I have a party to go to 3 hours before today ends, and I won't be back till maybe 3 hours after night begins. Scumslip. There's only 1 blue left, and you claimed JK. | ||
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On May 04 2012 11:32 johnnywup wrote: refresh and i see that. im not talking about his "scumslip", im talking about your reaction, paq. i think its much more likely that town isn't aware that theres only 3 blues than scum being unaware. this is because scum claiming revolves on a 1v1 scum vs blue situation, whereas town blue doesn't necessarily need to know how many other blues there are other than him. also i think he meant to say gf, based on the context of his sentence. Also, I'm still writing. This case is gonna take forever x.x can you make an estimate of how much longer it's going to take? Also I don't understand your post (bolded part). that's the same thing as saying "its much more likely that town is unaware that theres only 3 blues than scum being unaware". Everybody knows that there's only 1 blue, that's what the whole matt-sent bullshit is about. I dont see how Sentinel could accidentally say he believes Mattchew is a vig. He should be aware that he's the only blue alive.(assuming his claim is true) | ||
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On May 04 2012 12:01 johnnywup wrote: Yes, but it's more likely he's being a stupid town than a stupid scum. Scum looks that stuff over. Everyone should know theres only one blue left, yes. Also it seems obvious he meant GF in that context. it wouldnt make sense to say vig in that context. "he's a vig, makes sense because he flips gf either way!" makes no sense. saying "hes a gf, makes sense because he flips vig either way!" makes a lot more sense. Yes he probably did mean to say gf but how does he accidentally say vig instead? Because he knows his roleclaim is a lie. The bolded part makes no sense whatsoever. gf's don't flip as vig. | ||
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On May 04 2012 12:01 johnnywup wrote: Scum looks that stuff over. not careless scum who are in a hurry to go to a party. | ||
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On May 04 2012 12:36 johnnywup wrote: are you really making a case based around psychology? Yes I am. Can you explain how he mixed up and said VIG instead of GF? | ||
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On May 04 2012 18:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: JK not jailing Day 1 was my fault. Bad town play. I can't put it any other way, and Day 1 was a clusterfuck for me because I was legitimately busy. And yes by vig I mean GF. Paq, you're a moron, but I'm willing to deal with that. Or... I can jail BM. A no-lynch means there's a 100% chance we'll go into Day 6. It'll be 4-3 if mafia can get their kill off. I'm a moron, but you're a liar. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=110#2181 Sent lied about being "too busy" to send in a order. | ||
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GG Risen. lol | ||
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On May 05 2012 09:05 gonzaw wrote: johnny, why did you leave your vote on ghost? Paqman, why did you make a last minute switch on Sentinel correcting your spelling? Risen, why did you make a last minute switch from a atownie to anotehr townie¿ MAtthcewlf dslfjiofefjoaijsfjsdf ...sorry, that's going to happen every once in a while I completely forgot about the deadline and I was checking the voting thread, saw bluelightz comment and fixed it because I thought my vote wouldn't count. | ||
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Why is it called Area 53 Mafia? I guess you'll just have to wait and see! I promise there are no hidden mechanics this time though. So what's the surprise? | ||
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On May 05 2012 09:49 johnnywup wrote: matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh No one listened to me about lynching Risen except for Ghost. I'm not sure why I stopped pushing for his lynch after you and Sentinel said no /: | ||
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