TL Mafia 'Area' LIII

On April 21 2012 11:16 MidnightGladius wrote:
If we all agree for all vigs to claim, then this is what happens:

0 vig claims: There are no vigs. Simple enough.

1 vig claim: There is either 1 vig, or a scum faking the claim. We have the vig claim their shot. If the shot hits, and we have a tracker, we can keep tracking the vig claim, meaning that a fakeclaiming scum would never be able to shoot until the tracker died. If the shot doesn't hit, and the jailkeepers know not to jail the vig's target, then we have confirmed scum between the vig and the target. In this case, as long as the mafia team doesn't know the real role distribution, they can't risk fake-claiming. This is good for town.

2-3 vig claims: There are 0-3 vigs, and either no scum faking claims, or some number of them. Each vig claims and shoots a different target during Night 1. Day 2, we sort them into two groups based on whether or not their shots hit. If the shot hit, we set it aside, and we focus on the group whose shots didn't hit. For each such vig, either that player has no KP (therefore GF), or their target was a GF. We lynch both of them. Either they flip GF and townie (case 1) or GF and GF (case 2). In case 1, great, we can do normal analysis on the flipped GF. In case 2, we have to be a bit more careful, but it's still a 1-for-1 trade. If all of the shots hit, then we know that there are no actual GFs fakeclaiming, and any lynched non-vig-claim flipping GF is an actual GF.

4+ vig claims: There are 0-3 vigs, and some number of scum faking claims. We use the same plan as in the above case. However, if all of the shots hit, then in addition to there being no GFs in the group, we know that there are one or more goons among the group, which is awesome.

This is all assuming, of course, that any JKs follow the plan by not jailing any of the vig claims or their targets, but I think that that should be doable.

Additionally, scum have no incentive to shoot vig claims, because a night-killed "Godfather" can only be a vig, making it a lot easier for us to figure out lynched players flipping GF.

Gonzaw's points about preventing chaos during later vig claims/GF lynches is also quite valid. VE, I don't see what you don't like about the plan.

On April 21 2012 11:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Paq he's talking about if there are more than 3 CLAIMS. If there are more than three CLAIMS then there's guaranteed to be a liar in the bunch, which is what he's saying.

Now go be a good lad and vote for gonzaw.

On April 21 2012 13:10 Mattchew wrote:
To elaborate

This reads to me as "i don't want to take a side, i want to look like i like both sides to the argument" also, lets change subject (but wait, read on)



apology post and leave to get away from being wrong.


Interestingly filmsy opinion again, to me this just feels like he has more information than I do



I know how much we love the 3rd and 4th person to jump on an opinion and now that he knows people will agree with him, he can be firm in his assertion

I know how much we love the 3rd and 4th person to jump on an opinion and now that he knows people will agree with him, he can be firm in his assertion

On April 21 2012 12:23 gonzaw wrote:
WARNING, Big Post coming up, be sure to read all of it, or at least the end and the part between the red asterisks:

To VE:



Scum already have the info of who is town and who is scum.
Like someone else already stated, if we lynch a vig, he will flip GF, and we won't know if he's vig or GF, but scum will.

Also, you missed this post of mine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&currentpage=10#187
This plan isn't about "giving scum information", it's about:
-Coordinating vig shots at night (if there are in this game)
-Avoiding the chaos regarding the "Flips GF" Miller mechanic from vigs
-Force scum to take action and claim or not.
-Based on the logical statements concluded from actions and claims, use it to aid scumhunting and determining the alignment of players and their actions.

On April 21 2012 13:34 gonzaw wrote:
IMPORTANT NOTICE:

I've already explained all about the plan.
All these "criticisms" by johnny, Paqman, etc have already been addressed, so if you want to check them out please just reread my filter.
For instance, this:



It's already been addressed properly, so PaqMan please reread my posts.

So I'd like not to waste time arguing about it ad nauseaum while going nowhere.

So vigs, please reread it, analyse it, and make the right choice by claiming right now, or at least way before the lynch (specially if you are a lynch candidate).

On April 21 2012 11:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Just wondering, what's the chance gonzaw's not mafia but just making an extremely retarded point?

At any rate, what I don't get is number 6. If I was GF pretending to be vig, I'd shoot as many of the other vigs as I could. And if I was JK, I'd protect those vigs who I trust to be either town vigs or some other blues.

On April 21 2012 10:15 Bill Murray wrote:
We're not going to be able to outguess the mod based upon the numbers we sent in

On April 21 2012 23:17 BroodKingEXE wrote:
/confirm

Ok, here is my thought on the matter. Revealing the vig roles is a bad idea in my mind. This is because of the possible hits of vig's. We don't know how exciting this game is going to be; we very well could have bored townies due to the size of the game. If we have vig's having to aim at lurkers, as a town we gain no info as the vig could have made an honest mistake. Also what if the mafia choose to circumvent the situation and not fake-claim. The Mafia kills before the Millers we would have wasted our two shots. There is really no way for a vig to get a shot off and figure out the alignment of the player in question unless we target them on the lynch.

On April 21 2012 09:24 Mattchew wrote:
what about roleblockers laya?

On April 21 2012 13:03 Mattchew wrote:
Yo anyone else reading paqman's posts... cause you guys should... scummy as fuck

On April 21 2012 23:32 layabout wrote:
The Paqman case is forced as all hells.

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On April 22 2012 01:23 Mementoss wrote:
My current thoughts:


Mattchew:

Here is the whole OMGUS case against him:


What is this I don't even. He contributed more than most people, that didn't even post or just posted agreeing statments. Like VE I think this was meant to be pressure towards you on fishy behaviour. Your OMGUS case also makes you seem more scummy as well as someone jumping right to your defense.

Overall: Leaning Town

Paqman:

I don't think the case that Matthchew put against you was amazing, but it definitly pointed out some inconsistencies and wishy washyness, and made you post something other than, yeah I agree with gonzaw. It also showed your OMGUS reaction.

Overall: Null leaning scum

and made you post something other than, yeah I agree with gonzaw.

On April 22 2012 02:31 Mattchew wrote:
I don't think Gonzaw's plan is scummy, however I don't agree with scum being forced into acting the way he thinks they will.

On April 22 2012 02:31 Mattchew wrote:
Also, I never commented on the vig plans cause I don't care about blues,

On April 22 2012 08:08 Mattchew wrote:
Posting from my phone... I said before I wanted to see what ve was up to so that means I'm suspicious of it. Why waste space with an I don't care post that's stupid, spammy and retarded. I haven't ignored anything so don't e stupid we are 24 hours into the game I just haven't posted on everything like yourself...

Paqman your either scum or stupid

On April 22 2012 08:09 ghost_403 wrote:
@paqman: I have you down as an idiot (sorry). You're not paying close attention to the thread and not thinking through what you say. I'm not ready to say town or scum, and I don't like making cases for or against players when I think there is scum that we should be frying.

Mattchew has nothing of content in his filter, and I don't have anything substantial in my notes on him. It will be interesting to see if that improves as we get further into the game.

On April 22 2012 08:46 ghost_403 wrote:
@paq: Why do you care so much what I think about you? I'm not going to try and lynch you today, and I don't think that your alignment says anything about Mattchew.

@marv: I agree with gonzaw. Stop giving us excuses and help us find scum. Pending the results of his usefulness, I think I'm not disinclined to lynching Marv today.

On April 22 2012 09:02 BlazingJitsu wrote:




I'm gonna have to explain this? Really? Do you really not know the difference between an active player several large posts, saying nothing deliberately-- and someone NOT posting anything?

My god.

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-Blazinghand

On April 22 2012 09:10 BlazingJitsu wrote:


Looks like I have to spell it out: Marv has posted several times under the pretenses of contributing. He is not an inactive player. He is lurking in plain sight. He has refused several times to present cases and scumreads. This is scummy.

Are you just not very bright or what

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-Blazinghand

On April 22 2012 09:11 BlazingJitsu wrote:


Make a case, then. Call him out. Vote him and make him respond. The case against Marv is against a guy who's post more words than Ghost, more paragraphs, all full to the brim with emptiness.

Help a brotha out

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-Blazinghand

On April 22 2012 09:11 ghost_403 wrote:
@paqman: I really don't understand why I have to waste my time responding to this, but here it goes.

That note stems directly from your "There can't be more than 3 vigs" comment. Apparently, it's because you were paying attention to something else. Okay, that's fine, whatever. Why do you keep bringing this up? Who cares? Stop watching TV while posting, and find scum. As a town, we have better things to do than discuss why you did something dumb.

On April 22 2012 07:50 ghost_403 wrote:
@BJ + Show Spoiler + 4F doesn't deserve to die in any game. That guy was a genius at finding scum, he just didn't know it.

VE is probably scum. Accusing gonzaw of a scumslip is just terribad, and someone of his experience should know better. Also, the idea of a JK working against the town is such a fashion is WTF bad. If he was a noob, I would give him a pass, but he's not. He should know better than that.

Sentinel obviously rolled scum this game. His filter has nothing of content, and when layabout called him out, it took him 15 minutes to unlurk, at which point he added nothing to the conversation. He's here, but not contributing at all. I think he would make an excellent Day 1 lynch.

VE is probably scum.

Sentinel obviously rolled scum this game. His filter has nothing of content,

He's here, but not contributing at all. I think he would make an excellent Day 1 lynch.

On April 22 2012 09:42 Mattchew wrote:
From the phone again during 21 jump street (it's actually pretty funny)

There is a large correalation between calling bh annoying and being town... Also, aside from tunneling me (I believe mostly cause I called him out) he hasn't been too scummy since my case on him.

Paq just cause i don't care for gonzaws plan doesn't mean i think he's scum.. I don't know why you insist I connect the two...

Can we please get more opinions on st Daniel kthx

On April 22 2012 11:05 Mattchew wrote:
Visceraeyes is still looking scummy too. he needs to start making sense of his nonsense case or I will vote him to be lynched.

Gonzaw you've given a list of like 5 to lynch today, 2 of which I agree with VE and St Daniel, 1 of which I haven't read enough into (sent, I'm still on my phone and he's been posting a lot) and 2 which I dont agree with (myself, duh, and risen, cause of meta). You asked people to look into paqman's case on me which revolves around me not talking about your plan in the thread and then he calls me actively lurking less than like 24 hours into the game. do you actualy believe this crap?

On April 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote:
Why would i partake in a conversation that I don't care at all about?

do you actualy believe this crap?

On April 22 2012 13:37 johnnywup wrote:
paqman thats scummy of you. You spend all day saying why mattchew is scum and then you sheep him (note: i know its not completely sheeping). BM is definitely scummy but you spend all day saying why mattchew is scummy...why didn't you vote for him? ffs

On April 22 2012 13:47 Mattchew wrote:


Its VE becoming more evident, proving my statement correct

On April 22 2012 11:05 Mattchew wrote:
Visceraeyes is still looking scummy too. he needs to start making sense of his nonsense case or I will vote him to be lynched.

On April 22 2012 13:53 Mattchew wrote:
as said before, i gave him 9 hours and people (included yourself) wanted an opinion on him. I gave one. Sorry I was right?

Visceraeyes is still looking scummy too. he needs to start making sense of his nonsense case or I will vote him to be lynched.

Sorry I was right?

On April 22 2012 14:09 Mattchew wrote:
i said that i was suspicious of his reasoning for voting gonzaw, and I was, my suspicion of him only grew with time. I see now why he posted what he did, as i said there was probably a reason for it. thats why I'm right.

I never contradicted anything... why do I let people get under my skin every game. your my new Mrzentor

On April 22 2012 14:17 Mattchew wrote:


i am talking about how i said that I was wary of VE but I was not convinced he was scum (AKA NULL). As time went on he slide further and further towards scum to me. How is this that hard to understand?

On April 22 2012 14:23 Mattchew wrote:
i say that he needs to explain himself better
time goes on with no explanation
i get asked my opinion on him and call him scummy cause of this time that has past
VE JK claims
????
Connect 1 and 4 for correct answer

On April 23 2012 01:28 ghost_403 wrote:
I think a BM lynch is a terrible idea (vig shout would be fine though). I don't think I've ever seen a case where a ninja vote was due to someone being scum. There's too much risk and no reward for scum in this situation. I think he's just insane.

I really don't like the fact that Sentinel immediately jumped on the lynch BM bandwagon. Trying to lynch insane players is scummy in my book. Same goes for you Mattchew. Why would scum even try to ninja vote? It makes way more sense to sheep instead. No one would have thought twice if BM had shown up in thread and said "lol VE scum ##vote VE".

VE's claim is bad. He's doing the same thing that he did in TLM LI in claiming when there's no reason to. I can't imagine scum VE doing the same thing twice, but now we're into WIFOM territory. In addition, JK is the only nonconfirmable role in the game. A vig shot shows up in the day post, and a tracker can confirm where someone went that night. It only makes sense that scum VE would claim JK.

On April 23 2012 01:44 ghost_403 wrote:
@mattchew: This is my first game playing with BM. I don't know his meta well enough to know if ninja voting is something scum BM would do or not, but I do know this: there's no reason for scum to ninja vote almost a full day before the deadline. If he had voted five minutes before the night post, I would hold him accountable for it. But, a full day? That's not scummy, that's insane. I lynch people for scummy play, not insane play.

@paqman: I'm still where I'm at last night: VE or Sentinel. Sentinel has only become more scummy in my book for jumping on the BM bandwagon like there's no tomorrow, and immediately voting against the person who called you out for lurking is a classic chainsaw defense. I still have no idea what VE is doing, and I don't see a good reason to buy his JK claim. It doesn't make sense to claim so far before the lynch.

On April 23 2012 02:05 gonzaw wrote:


How about we do this so all of us are happy?:

-We lynch Risen now
-A vig shoots BM tonight

I don't see how my case was weak. The way I see it Risen seemed to fake his "aggressiveness" against laya. I think this because he changed his behaviour very quickly, going from "guy seemingly afraid to post" to "aggressive OMGUSer" in a matter of minutes (so to speak).

Anyways, I'm going away now, so this will be my last post in a while.

Good luck town, hopefully you don't do something stupid while I'm gone

On April 23 2012 01:45 PaqMan wrote:
Also, this is pure speculation, but what if BM is a GF? We're dismissing him and assuming our vigi (if we even have one) will shoot him.

Gonzaw's case on Risen is bueno. Seeing as I'm the only one who supports a Mattchew lynch, Gonzaw's case is really tempting, more so than the other ones I've read.

On April 23 2012 04:17 BlazingJitsu wrote:


This is interesting, given that you are Marv's scumbuddy.

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On April 23 2012 04:29 BlazingJitsu wrote:


Gonzaw and Mememntoss just aren't very smart, and Paqman is scum trying to hide in an alternative wagon for the day end.

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On April 23 2012 04:38 Mattchew wrote:
so paq, whats your opinion on blazing's alignment?

On April 23 2012 04:39 BlazingJitsu wrote:

You deliberately say nothing about Marv all game except this and this:



You basically ignore any discussion about him because you are scum and afraid. You want him to be vigied instead of lynched because you talked to him in the scum QT and he was like "yeah i'm a godfather".

We're gonna lynch him, he'll flip GF, then we're gonna lynch you.




Paqman, why you scumslipping? If you were scum, wouldn't you leave your vote on Marv? Or do you actually think he's scum? ._.

Seriously though if you wanted to ride a wagon you'd get on a wagon that's not the lynch wagon and not Marv (who you want to live).

like the one you're on now.

On April 23 2012 04:54 slOosh wrote:
VisceraEyes' JK claim doesn't make sense, his reasoning for claiming is inconsistent as well as directly counter to his previous stance of not wanting to give mafia information, and has not provided any substantial case against anyone, which indicates that his matrying is fabricated rather than authentic. Most likely a scum lying to survive. Keeping him alive to let scum shoot him is foolishness, as they don't have to, and this will tie up D2 discussion. Additionally, his claim does explain his scummy actions that I point out in my case (apathy, fearmongering, misrepresentation etc.)

Marv's posting is fine and probably would be better if he didn't need to spend so much time defending himself against BJ.

BM is lurking, but should not be considered unless you think VE and marv isn't scum, as the case on him is minimal.

Risen seems to be the alternate for people who don't want to lynch VE because he claimed JK. They should reconsider their reasoning of keeping VE alive. We can look into Risen tomorrow.


Votes should start consolidating, and discussion should be centered around this. Anything else is derailing town's current focus, which is to agree and lynch the scummiest candidate.

On April 23 2012 06:46 Risen wrote:


How convenient? When does the day end again? Hmm...

On April 23 2012 07:10 Risen wrote:


No one is going to pay attention to you. You're an idiot. WHAT WAGON DID I JUMP ON. I never even placed my vote on marv. Go look at the voting thread. derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself.

derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself.

On April 23 2012 07:16 BlazingJitsu wrote:


Risen I would like to thank you: at least you're not derping up the thread like at least 6 players are in this game. The fact that some of these players MUST be town and not scum is just apalling.

On April 23 2012 07:24 Risen wrote:


No one is this stupid. No matter who is lynched today I'm voting you. If you're town I hope you get your shit together next game. No one as dumb as you should even be allowed into TL Mafia. If I had to make a list of people I hate most, it would start with lurkers, and then right under it would be fools like you who tunnel someone and are too blind to anything else going on in the thread. One of you and gonzaw is scum. I think it's probably gonzaw because I don't think a scums teammates would let their team idiot jump on a case so hard when it's built of paper.

On April 23 2012 07:36 johnnywup wrote:

why are you defending VE so much, telling people to get off his ass? Personally I think he's town because in LI he was scum and he worked his ass off to clear his name for like 2 days straight. This is the polar opposite.

And exactly: BM Has done NOTHING. Will lynching him give us any information if he's town OR scum? No. He'll be dead and we'll be back at square one.


I'm not really lurking. Everyones shouting at everyone and I don't want to add to the shouting. I'd lynch Risen or BM if it came down to it.

On April 22 2012 23:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
K this game is no longer interesting to me. I'm not interested in defending myself.

##Unvote: Bill Murray
##Vote: VisceraEyes

For anyone concerned about me "playing to my win-condition", D1 discussion is ruined and I can accept my part in that. Lynch me, flip me, and do what you will with the information. You'll win with it. And therefor, I'll win. I'm playing to my win-condition.

gg

On April 24 2012 00:19 BlazingJitsu wrote:
Well guys all I have to say is you should have listened to me and we should have lynched Marv. You have my deepest assurance that over the course of the next 72 hours I will stop at nothing to get Marv lynched. It should have been obvious that VE was playing crappy town play. It was obvious to me. It was obvious to Risen. In fact, it's interesting how obvious it was to people who put any decent thought into it or were intelligent, thoughtful people, that this was the case.

All of you who had your votes on people that weren't Marv, you also allowed this to happen. You allowed a delicious mixture of jubjubs and scum to lead us down a path of idiocy. I typically try not to beat people up over this sort of thing, but it's so blatantly obvious that Marv is scum.

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I'm going to briefly talk about Marv's scumbuddies Paqman and MidnightGladius. I don't know who the fourth man is, but given the distinct possibility of being shot (as the only useful townie in a game with a flipped JK) I feel the need to lay it out tonight my cases.

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The main component of my case against Paqman is an associate tell. You may recall I was fairly aggressive towards Marv over the course of D1. In fact, it dominated a fair amount of my D1 posting. I pushed on the issue pretty hard, and many people had to comment on it one way or another. Of the active posters, Paqman stands out for distinctly not commenting on my case on Marv-- basically at all. But even moreso he never talks TO Marv. Here are his posts related to/addressing Marv before he is called out on it:



How do you go so long without talking to Marv, and also only talking about him incidentally? Well, it's easy, PaqMan is talking to Marv in the scum QT, and he instinctively avoids interacting with him here in the game. He also tried to direct the lynch AWAY from Marv and vigi shots TOWARDS him. For this reason I think Marv is probably a GodFather, and Paqman was trying to use him to eat vigi shots.

Of course, after I called him out on it about a day ago, PaqMan has addressed Marv incidentally a couple times. But nothing serious. In any case, the best course of action here is to lynch Marv first, then when he flips GF, lynch Paq.

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The other associative tell case I've got is on MidnightGladius. He seems a little too diplomatic, and reserved in his posting. He actually briefly pulled the wool over my eyes here: + Show Spoiler +

Then, there's this deal here:



Now, it's actually totally reasonable to wonder about the deadline. It might even be reasonable for these guys to post right next to each other like this. But someone else pointed this out in the thread earlier (I forget who and cant find it)-- but this sort of thing is typical for scum. What happens is they are discussing something in their scum QT together, and they're all like "huh that's weird, I can't find the deadline" and so both MG and Marv thought to ask the host based on their convo in the QT, and did so simultaneously.

Big mistake.

This is a weaker scumtell though, since it's based on a scumslip rather than on a more developed case. I'll have to read up on MG's filter more since I haven't interacted with him extensively this game-- Marv is the chief candidate for me, then Paq, then MG.

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In summary, Marv is scum. As always. And I will push him until one of us is dead. Paq is definitely his scumbuddy. MG is probably his scumbuddy.

I'm off to class for a bit. I'll be back before daybreak to respond to questions, comments, and concerns, and to find the 4th scum and singlehandedly finger the whole scumteam.

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He also tried to direct the lynch AWAY from Marv and vigi shots TOWARDS him.

On April 24 2012 11:16 gonzaw wrote:
Well, scum can't change their kill right now, right?

So we can discuss all we want without influencing the night kill, so this is the perfect time to argue and shit.

What do you guys think of Sentinel, Zephird and Risen?
Discuss..

On April 24 2012 12:53 johnnywup wrote:
Gonzaw had a lot of reads and I think we should look into them. Particularly he seemed very convinced that Sentinel was scum. Other than Sentinel he found BroodkingEXE, Daniel, Risen, and Zephirdd scummy as well. I suggest we take a close look at each one of them. Everyone else he found townie to some extent, except he finds BJ worthless, ottox "neutral", but somewhat suspicious (I'm interpreting it that way at least). He also says ghost is "maybe town", and that MG he didn't really look into.

Gonzaw suggested to vote to lynch Sentinel today. While I'd prefer a Zephirdd lynch, I'd be willing to support a Sentinel lynch as well if it gains enough popularity. He seemed scummy all game long, but I couldn't really put into words why. Gonzaw made a good post about why, and now that Gonzaw is dead (read: confirmed town), I feel that a Sentinel Lynch would be good.

slOosh's filter leads me to believe he thought MidnightGladius to be the most likely scum, with Zephirdd in 2nd place. The zephirdd in 2nd place is based solely on the "Marv: thoughts on MidnightGladius and Zephirdd" post, but it shows he has zephirdd in his mind and wants opinions on him.

I hadn't really looked into MG, like Gonzaw, and will be looking at him closer soon. Will report back when I read MG's filter and come to a conclusion.

For now, I want to ask who town would like to lynch more: Zephirdd or Sentinel?

On April 24 2012 13:13 Risen wrote:


Do you do anything in this game besides tunnel me? I can't recall seeing you actually DO anything this game. Please start being useful. I'm going to sleep, was waiting to see the day post to see if I lived.

On April 24 2012 14:25 Bill Murray wrote:
I am not going to be wagoning paqman today and I will vote the next person to vote for him

On April 23 2012 06:53 PaqMan wrote:
Risen is scum.

+ Show Spoiler +

We got you cornered mofo. If Town has enough sense to realize this then you're getting lynched today.

On April 23 2012 07:25 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: Then again, maybe you are scum. NO ONE can be that certain of someone's alignment day 1. Only scum could know with the certainty you claim, Paq.

On April 23 2012 05:37 Risen wrote:
It came up in post game chat in LI, and I've never considered it b/c information is information, but why would a no-lynch be bad in this game. Mafia KP isn't determined by the number of people they have alive, it's determined by who their goons are. Aren't accurate lynches therefor that much more necessary? Or is the information gained from a lynch that valuable even in a setup like this.

TL;DR: Get the hell off VE and on to anyone else. I'll no lynch over lynching VE 100%

On April 25 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:
Crazy de lurk timing wtf

On April 25 2012 08:57 Risen wrote:


Yeah I don't think mattchew could seriously think you'd whip that up the second you were called out. Having said that... I wasn't certain VE was town, and I never said that. NEVER. No where will you find me saying that. You know what you will find me saying? Don't vote VE, he's a claimed "doctor" and lynching him, especially on day 1 before a single night has passed, is the highest level of stupidity.

On April 25 2012 09:08 Risen wrote:
Both of you need to seriously sit there and think about what I just said. I was not certain VE was town, I WAS HOWEVER 100% CERTAIN LYNCHING VE WAS STUPID. I didn't imply shit about being certain he was town.

On April 26 2012 07:27 layabout wrote:
Dont vote for zephird!

ottozlol's play suggests that he very well could be town because he has made the effort to do things that townies should do. His opinions have some level of consistency.

The same cannot be said for MidnightGaldius. His posting suggests that he is looking for easy candidates to push instead of scum to lynch.

On April 26 2012 07:29 Mementoss wrote:


Yeah I definitely would. But I was saying that at a point where he unvoted long ago and was leaving his vote as a wild card, as he just voted he voted who I expected him to.