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@Solohan50 A lurker isn't someone who doesn't post at all, but rather someone who's posting is unnecessary, without any purpose. Those who fail to post or vote will be replaced by mods so don't worry about them. On April 15 2012 02:43 Nova_Terra wrote: Also i want to note that in regards to fluff posting, doing some of that is fine if its backed up by posts full of original analysis and opinion, as well as if people dont consider you to be active or "confirmed town" because of that posting. as well as if what? Rephrase the last part | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/usericons/Z3.gif) barrier yet but that's A ok as long as we keep scores, note checkpoints of development. I suggest everyone keeps a journal of some sort, aiming to capture the essence of our interaction, always driven by the curiosity to make out the motive behind every post in order to detect slips. Like Therapist said, and I can agree wholeheartedly, it's a good place to start improving.Also, a journal can keep you creative and occupied in times of a deserted thread, augmenting the gameplay imo. I'll start mine tomorrow and maybe at the end of the game, if it's not too shabby, I'll make it public. Good Night y'all. | ||
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On April 16 2012 04:27 Therapist. wrote: I don't have too many specific thoughts so far. I've just been thinking about the no-lynch stuff for the first time and have been happy to get peoples' opinions on it. Perhaps that input itself can be put to use later on, which is why I have said I would like to hear others' opinions on the matter. | ||
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I think it's about time for Nova to divulge what he finds so scummy concerning solohans' first post. We don't seem to be on the same wavelength because I have no idea what he's talking about; and scum is not going to make an objective analysis on himself for you, just because you say you think he's scum so there's no point in waiting for a reaction before you act. I-know-what-you-did-last-summer mindgames aren't likely to induce anything. | ||
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This suspicion on Crossfire is mainly coming from my gut but here are a couple of logical reasons to vote for him: 4 posts. 3 and 7/8 of which are about the no-lynch policy while the remaining 1/8 of the last post is sheeping Nova and calling solohan suspicious without any of you two providing reasons (Nova refused yet again to manifest - well at this point I want him to stall some more, and let's hear why Crossfire thinks solo is suspicious first) If you can add a single valid argument about solo being scummy I will drop my vote. Note that the fact that he supports a no-lynch isn't good enough, it's null imo. Writing GL HF + Show Spoiler + On April 15 2012 06:43 Crossfire99 wrote: I agree with lynching a lurker day 1, but only if there is really no info on scum. We should try to lynch a scum if at all possible. P.S. GL HF + Show Spoiler + Decent scum always get caught first. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg){kind=icon} Ok .. whatever. Let's pretend that didn't happen. User was banned for this post. | ||
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If I can stay, everyone should ignore this incident and consider the first FourFace post to be attributed to me. Thank You. | ||
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OMGUS reaction reaction to oneplus ..noted, yes that was bad. It pains me to say this but Nova has outlasted his use to town already. He did good with the voting (although that was symbolic, not sure if it had any palpable effect) and he has shown us an anti-example of how a leader should not act. I doubt we can expect him to make substance-packed, easy to follow cases but I would love to be positively surprised. As for oneplus, I felt like I should take him under my wing because English is evidently not his mother tongue. Nevertheless I expect him to try and make it easy for us to understand him, keep it simple. What I understood about his posts struck me as intelligent and insightful + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2012 18:34 oneplus wrote: I am not the one who say this. You are the one who said you and lazer accused me? I said you guys sound like a team. And yeah now you are protecting lazer. In what earth the most active player couldn't be scum? Well I could be wrong if you are town and the scum will be lurking around and clapping his hand to see 2 of us try to attack each others He also provoked Nova into a passive OMGUS reaction, which he also noted right away, so that's the last of him being labeled as noob town. Regarding Nova insisting on his ratio of being in the mafia faction as an attempt to look town, and your EBWOP post + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2012 20:16 Pure-SC2 wrote: EBWOP: I missed off why I thought this was relevant, but the first point I made above regarding Nova_Terra's posts prior to the game start seem to be positioned so that he can use it later to emphasis his townie position regardless of whether he rolls town or mafia in the game. The fact that he continues in the same way once the game has started is why I pointed this out (and not that I think he knew prior to the game starting that he was going to roll mafia). Regarding your scum constellation + Show Spoiler + - Nova_Terra's possible accomplices: Based on my filter review, the two most likely accomplices to Nova_Terra: Lazermonkey and Crossfire99. The case against these two isn't strong, but I would recommend reading through their filter and looking at the way they support Nova on Solohan50. Also, if you look at the interaction between Nova and Lazer against oneplus, it is also very defensive and nature and shows them supporting each other once again. I think this adds to my suspicion of Lazer who, other than his blind support of Nova's stance against Solohan, has seemed like a good contributing townie. I can't imagine the scumteam would be that obvious to spot, showing the same stance. I do have a couple of notes in my journal on Lazer though, which I'd like to divulge at this point, seeing that Daymor has commenced discussion on him. Excerpt from April 15 2012 11:00am CET - 12:00 CET entry. ------------------------- (...) I don't like Lazermonkey for posting like that at all (lack of argumentation, just says solohan might be scum or not and that we shall see. He's Swedish, also non-english, but I will not let this type of posting be the routine. 3 people voting to pressure someone to post something might be a little exaggerated but It also shows that BlueyD, Pure-SC2, Nova_Terra aren't likely to be THE scumteam. BlueyD gives a meta reason and the others sheep, will have to watch how far this statement goes when they either retract their vote or choose to stay on him. What's with the 24 hours wining .. it hasn't been 24 hours. The game started faster than expected so there's plenty of time The Day ends in approximatly 57.5 hours. (...) ------------------------- End of excerpt Excerpt from April 16 2012 April 16 23:20 - 0:10 ------------------------ (...) Lazermonkey is acting weird. What is this? If you truly are a townie you shouldn't be interested in defending yourself more than absolutly necesary. Sounds like he is uncomfortable defending himself once a FoS is on him. Will be interesting to see if he builds this affirmation. Also will he be more tolerant towards others or is this a double standard.staying to defensive will make you look scummy. so he likes boxing people in, this is still a lurker post.(...) Now he's acting even weirder considering the context of the pressure on solohan. + Show Spoiler + There is also a slight chance that the person who obtains votes will be a mafia, in which case some of his scum-bros might have to show their true colour in one or another way LOL + Show Spoiler + It would usually be a good idea for the scum to keep their votes as long as possible. + Show Spoiler + @Solohan - I'm not sure wether He is just noob or scum. Obviously we are all very new to the game so that could be an explanation for his play. But he hasn't contributed at all yet, only talking about the very hypothetical no lynch and agreeing with that lynching a lurker. Both thoose subjects had already been said at that point, more than once even. This is obviously a very suspicious move. We really need to see his response. It's about 17h to lynchtime No it's not. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2012 22:33 risk.nuke wrote: The Day ends in approximatly 57.5 hours. On April 16 2012 05:11 Lazermonkey wrote: It's about 17h to lynchtime, unless I'm misstaken Probably scum probing for towns vigilance. (...) ------------------------ End of excerpt PS: It is natural to consider someone who posts a lot to be your leader. I have a general advice to all the players, don't do that. Being able to juggle with ideas in multiplayer is a more valid qualification than writing everything you can think of right away in order to satisfy your itchy fingers. + Show Spoiler + If you feel like the latter kind of person you should leave this thread neat and go typerace instead. typeracer | ||
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On April 16 2012 21:28 Lazermonkey wrote: And I never really made any huge claims on solohan, was just saying that he looked kinda scummy the way he lurked and added nothing at all. That is exactly the kind of behavior that we wish to condemn. | ||
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On April 16 2012 21:31 Lazermonkey wrote: What kind of behavior? the way he lurks or the way I think it's suspicous he lurks? You should only speak out against someone if you have gathered enough evidence to help town make an opinion about him. The fact that he lurked, repeated only what has been said is not enough to say he's scummy, and will not make a valid point in a supposed case against him. We are now checking to see if Nova and Crossfire have made the same mistake or if they truly have something worth mentioning. | ||
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Hopefully there will be some insight to breadcrumbing the reads all over again with his faction and role in mind. I wish you all a pleasant reading experience and good night. | ||
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.. chaotic, breeding baseless and silly argumentation like I didn't want to vote for that guy so I voted for the other guy Mid-nighttime is not the time to be making huge cases. Everyone prepare a statement and post it 2-3 minutes before daybreak to make sure mafia night action has been sent (hopefully the hosts don't mess it up). | ||
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Instead of preparing a statement I made this super cool mix today, check it out and I'm sorry. Last words in case of a successful hit on me + Show Spoiler + Kiss my ass, scum. Council of 4 forever, biatch! Good Night | ||
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Why would scum shoot Crossfire99 (clues found in his filter) a. To reinforce what he said. Scum sought out someone who said exactly what they want to achieve (who they want to kill) so they bring his posts to the spotlight. On April 17 2012 05:45 Crossfire99 wrote: Ugh...this really sucks. I don't think oneplus is scum, but I also don't think nova is scum. Since you have been actively contributing Nova, I am going to vote for oneplus to save you. Sorry, oneplus. ##Vote: oneplus My question is would scum kill someone who accused them directly? I think it would be hideous, they'd much rather mold the kill into an instrument to get the next mislynch + Show Spoiler + Who made a wastebasket case against him? Me. Who voted for Crossfire? Me. Who did Crossfire ask about the reason to vote for him instead of those who had been called out as suspicious? Me. I'm pretty fucked .. this is exactly why I should be confirmed town BUT since I'm the one pointing this out I could also have masterminded this to trick all of you. So I'm not confirmed town at all but the suspicion on me is a game that has advanced to a higher level. but I also don't think nova is scum. Since you have been actively contributing Nova, I am going to vote for oneplus to save you b. Bluesniping Crossfire may have given himself away with this post, note the bold part On April 15 2012 11:37 Crossfire99 wrote: I disagree with the idea of a no lynch day 1. I agree that we most likely won't get a mafia, but that doesn't mean a mislynch is entirely bad. If there isn't a lynch day 1, no one takes a stand on the lynch, and we don't learn much because there is no discussion of who to lynch. This also means that the power roles will be at a disadvantage because their choices for their night 1 actions will be mostly random due to the lack of information. With a lynch, everyone has to take a side, so even if this only provides a small amount of information, it is information the power roles can use to narrow down the targets of their actions. Basically, I think we must lynch someone day 1. Personally I think this was the best kill I've ever seen in a mafia game. Even better if those who kept the lynch-or-nolynch-on-day-1 debate going were in fact scum to fish for blue reaction, and wheel it in like they did. My suspicion up to this point is on solohan because Crossfire was constantly referring to him .. so I think he could've noticed the blueslip more easily. The fact that he didn't tell town about this makes me think he's scum. So this is more of an anti-scumslip. Outing himself as scum by not giving out info that he could've gotten through analysis and observation. Same story with Therapist. So that's the direction I'd like to tunnel today. | ||
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2. Council or no council, that is the question. To council is to do and to do is to council. I honestly believed we could get more quality discussion if we had a conglomerate of active people synchronizing their votes based on the quaity of each member's argumentation. For various reasons already stated .. the argumentation would be "out there" for everyone to see AND generating an additional dimension of information which is: who is compliant to drop his personal accusation of a suspect in favor of a heavier vote on another suspect and why/to what degree. The council would also be a counterweight to all the baseless voting that has been going on Day1. So everyone outside the council - + Show Spoiler + stfu about the council make up your mind if you want to-be-in/there to be a council 3. Was there anything else? | ||
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I noticed that Lazer and Nova were picking on solo for presumably being scummy, especially his first post. Since Nova didn't want to divulge what was so scummy about him and Lazer didn't have anything concrete either there was this vacuum. Along comes Pure-SC2 and attempts to make this vacuum look like an interesting point raised regarding solohan, and then he says it's odd that he didn't read the rules which imo wrongfully discredits solohan, it could even make a suspicion on solohan seem reasonable. I noted this in my journal in the following manner: (..) now even Pure-SC2 is trolling Solohan50 + Show Spoiler + On April 15 2012 18:19 Pure-SC2 wrote: Some interesting points raised regarding Solohan. I do think it's odd that he wouldn't have read the rules (it's clearly stated on the front page). I'd like to see him add more to his very short filter. @Solohan - how do you respond to Nova reading your first post to be scummy? *******End of excerpt I noticed right away that solohan has in fact read the OP and that the question he was asking + Show Spoiler + can we vote for a nolynch? I continued in my journal: (...) Not sure what to make of this, will see how he reacts. This is all very easy discussion for scum to mimic but it has it's mysterious intricacies. Will have to reread this part after someone flips; I'll also pay attention to their habit to post to check consistency (not sure about Daymor's use of his native language either) *******End of excerpt So here we are and we got to know Pure-SC2 as a posting machine, very attentive and accurate about everything everybody has ever written. Well I got to know Pure-SC2 as a derp who insisted that solohan lacked attention and failed to read the OP, when these traits actually applied to himself, first. The shift for me was great, the rupture in consistency was huge. A totally different aspect is him posting an analysis in the middle of the night. Which is like firing a signal pistol when you're behind enemy lines and want them to end your misery. And he wants others to do the same which is even worse. If you're townie and you're not too scared of taking a hit to spare the blues that's your decision. But don't get others involved. Daymor followed his example and published his whole google doc. My gut feeling basically is that I'm scared. I'm pretty scared that Pure-SC2 is playing good scum while Nova is bad scum. If so, they tried to control the thread from the very beginning and establish Nova as leader and it would've worked because Nova could've posted Pure's observation/analysis making him look capable. Pure's case on Nova was trivial and he would've switched his vote but oneplus already had 6 votes and Nova only 4. After Raven switched it would've been way to scummy for Pure to switch too. Now what's happening is that Pure is the capable one and Nova might be covering his back like a dog, grunting at everyone who even considers his strongest town read scummy. I don't know which is worse (hard to counter), this or a leader Nova with Pure's posting. So this is basically what I'm afraid of. Nothing more, nothing less. Irrational .. maybe But rationally speaking Pure might be doc fishing at this point. He purposefully put everyone in danger by posting in the middle of the night and at the same time he drew the medics attention. In conjuncture with the Pure/Nova scum constellation take a look at Nova's night testament On April 18 2012 07:58 Nova_Terra wrote: In case of my death, my top four suspicions in order are 1. Lazer 2. TheRavensName 3. BlueyD/Lorant. My best town read is Pure. I think a Lazer lynch would be the best option if i died tonight. Hmm.. do you notice anything bizarre? Isn't solohan supposed to be on that list? His super-scummy first post and everything.. remember? Oh and talking about Nova bulldogging for Pure. Check out how he's on my ass after I say Pure is scummy. He doesn't even care why he just wants to take me apart with the council stuff and whatnot. Im wondering if the entire purpose of this was to piss me off | ||
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On April 19 2012 06:55 Nova_Terra wrote: However i am happy that you are going after pure. very very interested in what this brings about, and currently i have a more townie read on you than before. No, BlueyD was interested and he urged me to back up my arguments against Pure. After I said Pure was scummy to me you didn't care at all and proceeded to 1 on 1 me about the fucking council. ##Vote: Nova_Terra | ||
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##Unvote In fact, fuck it I'm going after Pure-SC2 ##Vote: Pure-SC2 | ||
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Lorant - His play continues to baffle me, with his vote-change from Nova to Pure-SC2 being the latest thing I find it surprising that you find this baffling, considering that the case I posted had Pure-SC2s name on it in the title. @BlueyD Despite what you think of my case on Pure-SC2 I'd prefer scum agenda analysis over case analysis any day. You made a decent attempt of that saying I tried to give lurkers a town argument to lurk at night .. well maybe I did, that's because I think whatever you want to post at night you should keep to thyself until the last minute.. so everything a player wants to say at night he can do so in a last minute testament or even the day after and it's basically the same amount of info from that player. I didn't really have anything to post at that time as I was busy with my audio mixing and other stuff that seemed more interesting at that time. But I promise to make up for this at the end of night2, considering you don't lynch me for whatever reasons you have to lynch me. But if you do lynch me.. find it in your heart to forgive me for accusing your hero Pure-SC2, ok? | ||
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He is by far the biggest asset we have, with consistent analysis and activity. Frankly, if Pure is mafia, I think we're completely fucked this game. | ||
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On April 19 2012 19:45 Pure-SC2 wrote: Did anyone actually check out the play list he linked which meant "I didn't really have anything to post at that time as I was busy with my audio mixing and other stuff that seemed more interesting at that time." ? I did. It included 5 songs, the original diablo town theme song overlayed with another song (which together sounded terrible by the way), and then 4 other songs, one I recognised from my commodore 64 days. I feel like this is one big troll. It takes one to know one. You are trolling me at this point saying my mix which I posted is shit. I also never posted a playlist you derp, you yourself seemed to be motivated enough to go beyond the link to that one song and listen to every song on the profile. I think this is the second time someone says the link was to a playlist. Forcing this response out of me is entirely your fault and your response to my case and scum-agenda hypothesis is horribad. You keep sterilizing everyone's post until it says nothing really indicative of alignment. If you're such a great player and a big asset to us .. why don't we have a clue who to vote for. I don't say you should change the way you do observations, I'm just saying it's not that big of a help to actual scumhunting. We don't need people to make resumes of everyone with a subjective twist to them like saying my mix is shit and I'm a troll. Way to go .. you try to offend me but you still don't know if you should vote for me or not. I hate your species .. the internet-user species that thinks it's ok to insult ones ideas and investments. You also repeated a gazillion times that there's a lot of smoke and mirrors, chaos, enjoyment from throwing our curve balls and confusion around me yahdiyahdiya. Stop trying to be boring and frocing people to not want to read your posts anymore On April 19 2012 19:45 Pure-SC2 wrote: What is the motivation behind his posts? I think he gets his enjoyment from throwing our curve balls and confusion. At the moment I feel we are all some mild amusement for Lorant and he doesn't seem to really care either way. Way too easy. A town player seeking constructive analysis would never post such a thing simply to discredit a player who has obviously spent some time and effort reading and making intellectual investments into the game. Now go make a decent analysis about my motives or stfu if you can't respect a player who is trying to figure out the game by looking at scum agenda instead of making endless resumes and derrogatory, subjective bycomments to provoke emotional responses. I repreat .. Pure-SC2 made me post this and he also made you read this. It's time you start hating him too. | ||
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On April 18 2012 20:59 Macheji wrote: Oh man, 9 pages in and i have a full paper of notes. Most of them on Nova_Terra and Lazermonkey. I saw an obvious connection between the two of them. Share briefly with Pure-Sc2 , but tbh i find Pure-SC2 very ''town'' atm , not sure what that was about ( ganging on solohan w/o any evidence ) . I have to decide if i should make a list with everybody or just post my scum conclusion and post a case vs 1,2 people. What do you guys prefer ? On April 18 2012 22:43 Macheji wrote: Pure-SC2 ( +++/-- ) At a moment he accused Solahan for beeing a scum, fallowing N_T and LM, when there were no arguments or evidence. THe only thing i noticed about Solahan until that post was that he was a bot noobish at this game. Later on he goes after oneplus because he said N_T and LM are scummy without any arguments/evidence. ( -- ) But, to be honest Pure-SC2 has made alot of valuable posts since then. I found them clear, argumented, transparent and it seemed to me like he added alot to the game ( +++ ) . Still the mark of doubt remains. Would you say that it's possible that he gets all those pluses with the help of his scumbuddies (resume-ing everything like that does seem a little bit too much for one player)? Which leaves us with the two minuses plus what I've pointed out about the doc fishing. Would you be terribly appalled by a Pure lynch today? | ||
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Btw Daymors ALARM BELLS make for poor dramatic effect with no substance to back it up. + Show Spoiler + Alarm Bells On April 18 2012 22:43 Macheji wrote: NovaTerra (++/--------)> (...)He goes crazy about him beeing the most active person. He gets even more crazy when someone mentions him beeing in the same team with Lazer.At first it seemed like an ok reaction, the guy was mad because he was wrongfully accused, (...) On April 18 2012 22:43 Macheji wrote: NovaTerra (++/--------)> (...) Also when Oneplus attacks him in one post he says he is not impressed... he's not impressed of what ? When someone innocent is beeing accused of something, does it ever occure to him to say that he is not impressed with the case against him ? (...) So in his case against Nova_Terra, not once but twice does he briefly mention Nova_Terra’s innocence or that fact he is being wrongfully accused. The only people who know of Nova_Terra’s innocence are Mafia & Nova_Terra. It could possibly mean nothing, but the fact that he is essentially calling his strongest scum read ‘innocent’ is quite alarming. While I appreciate that he has stepped up and provided with some of his thoughts, most are in a heavily summarised manner and I do not feel they add too much insight except maybe his post on Nova_Terra. When someone innocent is beeing accused of something, does it ever occure to him to say that he is not impressed with the case against him ? - you didn't say someone innocet = nova.. you say the opposite. I don't kow why Damor would take it out of the context like that and decorate it with some bells. Anyway. How do you feel about Therapist, BlueyD, TheRavensName and Lazermonkey? Their level of contribution in particular. | ||
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Please comment on How do you feel about Therapist, BlueyD, TheRavensName and Lazermonkey? Their level of contribution in particular Throw in solohan also if you have the time. | ||
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Confesses that his play has been suspicious, and blames it on inexperience. Stop it, just stop. He confesses that his play has been suspicious ??! NO! He says he doesn't quite know how to defend against the allegations. Jesus .. | ||
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On April 19 2012 23:00 Nova_Terra wrote: leave me a bit of time. My case is being worked on. -try to focus on some other analysis on some other players to. or check peoples motivations. Why do you think that we need to focus the evidence on 1 person Macheji? never do that. its scummy to try to limit the lynch down to 1 person. Do you think it is wise to urge Machji to focus on analyzing other players and saying he is scummy for trying to limit the lynch down to 1 person... when you are that person? Or even begging for time to post your case that is "being worked on".. by whom? I hope not you because that would mean you are town.. and a second mislynch would be imminent. | ||
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Nova said he likes reading my games so I assume he read Newbie Mini Mafia VI which I have linked above. He could be playing on Kohbee's meta as an excuse for his reckless style. I don't buy it though. Kohbee (the DT) was even more obnoxious, you can't even come close to that. I expect you to claim DT when things look tough, It wouldn't influence my vote on you, though. *As a sidenote to this.. Therapist, Solohan and myself were in that game so there's a real chance he made this inquiry, making the conscious decision to mime Kohbee. Hells yeah I'd would vote for him Therapist, he doesn't play like he did in VI (townie), he was one of the first to accuse someone for accusing someone and stick with the vote to the end while discussing and confirming it along the way. I expected him to have learned from his mistakes and not vote for the loudest player but never would I have anticipated a vote on oneplus from him. Vote for him .. sure, this is not the Therapist I've come to know and like in VI BlueyD I really don't know/care about him ..which makes me think he's scum due to the fact that as a scumteam you'd probably want to spread out and infiltrate each layer of town. An ideal scumteam is probably a super active player (SC2) a lurker (Therapist/solohan) and someone who's under the radar, posting stuff but not too much and not too little... let's say an average Joe. BlueyD would be an average Joe in my book. I wouldn't vote for him just yet though. Macheji His tunneling of Nova could me scum's ticket to a second mislynch. It could also be this unshakable guy who wants to get this done so we can move on, but I never really understood what info we'd get from a Nova lynch. If he flips town.. what? If he flips scum .. what then? He didn't really make any cases he just said SC2 is confirmed town for him and he named a couple of people in his testament, including myself and not including solohan for some reason, that he finds suspicious. All we can hope for is the instrument that will provide info on who was against and pro and for what reason .. last minute voteswitching etc. But we kind of had all that last time with oneplus and it didn't really pay off, did it? Vote for you? Not today Pure-SC2, lynching this guy would give us a shitload of info if he flips scum HOoooooolly shit. Everything he said .. imagine going through that knowing he was scum. Wow, it blows my mind. If he flips town .. :sound of jackass But then at least people will have to read the thread if they want discussion instead of just reading his resumes Daymor he's ok but that Alarm bells thing on macheji was pretty derpy, but he seems to be capable of finding his way in this game. My question towards Daymor: + Show Spoiler + On April 17 2012 05:58 Daymor wrote: If you are town, I think you will continue to be active which is definitly something we need considering the level of lurkers we have in this game. At this point I think you have contributed enough to spare you from the Day 1 lynch. As I said I haven't had a chance to really look through the last few pages thoroughly. I still have my suspicions, but for now I might consolidate the vote on oneplus. To prevent any last minute switching. ##Unvote: Nova_Terra ##Vote: oneplus Was it worth it? I told you Nova outlasted his use to us after Day1. Did he post any cases .. I've just finished reading his case.. soft defending and shit .. it's not stellar. Did he at least defend himself adequately? + Show Spoiler + Vote for him .. nah Lazermonkey I have no idea what to make of this guy. He says it's his first game but he doesn't hesitate calling oneplus noob and bad townie. His sentences are bad so it's likely that some points against him stem from that so.. same advice for you .. keep it simple. + Show Spoiler + Conclusion! I'm still not sure whether oneplus is just bad or scum. but imo both him and durant is acting really strange. So lynching oneplus would in one way or another give some info about Durant. + Show Spoiler +Who the fuck is Durant? | ||
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BlueyD jumps on the Pure vs Lazer bandwagon, which was set up well by his previous post. no problem for him because of it. I don't get it. What Pure vs Lazer bandwagon? I believe he was the first to vote for Lazer and there are only 2 votes on him as of yet.. and both him and Pure gave reasons for their voting. | ||
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1 Vote(s) on Nova_Terra from Macheji 1 Vote(s) on BlueyD from Nova_Terra 1 Vote(s) on Solohan50 from Lazermonkey 3 Vote(s) on Lazermonkey from BlueyD, Pure-SC2, Solohan50 Have yet to fire their votepistol: TheRavensName, Lorant, Therapist | ||
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partnership or leader-follower instead of WIFOMing. I found out Nova had his own opinions and Lazer was the parasite here. This means Nova is not to be faulted for the connection between those 2, Lazer is. . But what exactly does that achieve for scum? I can't imagine Lazer going like hellooo scumteam .. I'm going to get connected to Nova so I can be his buddy .. and then when people point this out I'm going to say he's actually scummy HHAAHA!!! what a devilish ploy. | ||
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On April 20 2012 06:17 Lazermonkey wrote: Going to bed now, hope that I survive the night. Don't think so tho :S. Pure seems to act strange at this point, doesn't answer my post even tho he is accusing me etc. Will keep my vote on Solohan tho. Hope to see you tomorrow ^^ | ||
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On April 20 2012 23:11 Nova_Terra wrote: Excellent, now that everyone is starting to get a strong town read on me, i die. well done on that timing. GMarshal edit: What the fuck, no NSFW images at random in a mafia thread, added a spoiler for you. + Show Spoiler [NSFW] + ![[image loading]](http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100305172803/anegkyklopaideia/images/0/03/5.jpg) | ||
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Town alligned player: But, but but this has nothing to do with how well I do my job. Boss: YES IT DOES, You have just proved to me that you're a moron now gtfo + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EWI0zNQzm1k/TqCEuP4-JWI/AAAAAAAAAOc/9Munt66QWcY/s320/okay.JPG) | ||
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Same thing with Daymor + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2012 10:53 Daymor wrote: I would also like to add, that although the discussion regarding lynch v no lynch may not mean anything if indeed you cannot vote for a no lynch. It does however provide the opportunity for people to comment and add their perspective as to what they feel about the policy. This provides us with information which we can analyse nd to help show the motivation and logic behind their arguements. So it is far from fruitless. Personally, I didn't get shit out of the nolynch discussion. So what did you two get.. it sounds to me that you were just faking enthusiasm for the perspective of an analysis source. I knew right away that nothing about it is going to matter discussion-wise. Unless you can provide us with some valuable insight that you've gained from it I suggest you explain yourself, why did you both say that when it's clearly not true? And don't even think about telling me you've honestly believed that you could make reads upon taking in consideration who was pro / against a lynch, lynch a lurker / scummy player etc because that's just manure. It also sounds to me like some sort of shifty justification for the bluefishing that has been going on, judging by the first nightkill. it is far from fruitless but only for scum.In case I die tonight, I want to urge my fellow townies not to trust a case if it's not backed up by scum agenda analysis. Scum is organized and always has some tactic or gambit to win the game. Town is not and if you're a new player and have never read a scum QT before you can't imagine what to look for. You'll have to improvise and imagine how you would've reacted if it was you chatting in the scum QT To give an example of a good scum agenda analysis... with me as subject of investigation. Now that we know that Lorant is FourFace, by accident or not, we can imagine a probable scenario where he could've walked into the scumQT like this: "Aloha scumteam. I am Lorant, a smurf. My aka is FourFace and I've played 3 games thus far, VT 3 consecutive times. If I out myself as Fourface.. I will most likely not get banned and receive a warning instead and then my meta allows me to say whatever the fuck I want. I can clog up the thread, I can say the craziest shit about anyone and I can troll without anyone seriously considering me a primary lynching candidate, they'll most likely even consider me confirmed town for it. This being a newbie game, people are actually going to take me seriously and I have a good chance to infiltrate the leading circle of respected players, where my deceptions - cleverly disguised as scum agenda analysis - will throw town off of suspecting our lurker and our average Joe. I will also discredit any case, regardless of whether it's on one of us or not, by saying there's no scum motivation to it, thus demoralizing the most active players and seed discontent when they are involved in a mislynch." Question is .. would he have outed himself as FourFace if he had been town. In previous games he got pissed off when people didn't take him seriously due to his trollish nature, so as town he would've been better off being plain ol' Lorant the newbie. As scum however he had all the meta he needed to do whatever he wants. The simple fact alone that he is smurfing would be enough to convince people that it's the usual FF play doing his thing. What crazy things did he do besides smurfing anyway. His play up to this point seems rather mild when compared to his first game where he practically went apeshit with doc claim, rickroll, editing his posts twice and more. Lorant. Could have deliberately ordered the killing of Crossfire, his nr1 contester, and then make it look like this genius ploy to frame him. Calling his own actions genius .. doesn't that sound just like what a multiple personality troll would do to get his kicks out of the game. He was after all the first one to mention bluesniping, what a flashy word for something that could've been pure luck and left at that if it wasn't for FF with his 4 giant egos. He could've gone through Crossfire's filter afterwards just to find some tiny indication that he has in fact given himself away as blue and that FF is oh' so intelligent to have noticed this. Nova clearly stated even before the game that he is going to get mad and retaliate if someone insults him. FF has done just that, deliberately to provoke him and cause chaos. ........... and so on. Think out of the box guys. | ||
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On April 21 2012 08:19 Nova_Terra wrote: yep. and the fact that i purposely didnt try to take control of anything and kinda seemed like the town idiot for a while. kept scum offa me. and i didnt make any dangerous cases except vs you. That kind of makes sense, actually. Ok, you're the cop. They're gonna roleblock you until we get the roleblocker so yeah. Good night. But why the fuck would you check Lazermonkey? And how come you didn't manage to convince us he's town. OMGUS Good night | ||
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WOW...lucky shot. Crossfire was the Vigilante. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.myfacewhen.com/images/399.gif) | ||
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On April 21 2012 23:03 Nova_Terra wrote: + Show Spoiler + So FF/Lorant, first you think in playing like an idiot, and then say you expect me to claim DT when its tough. On April 20 2012 01:05 Lorant wrote: Nova said he likes reading my games so I assume he read Newbie Mini Mafia VI which I have linked above. He could be playing on Kohbee's meta as an excuse for his reckless style. I don't buy it though. Kohbee (the DT) was even more obnoxious, you can't even come close to that. I expect you to claim DT when things look tough, It wouldn't influence my vote on you, though. *As a sidenote to this.. Therapist, Solohan and myself were in that game so there's a real chance he made this inquiry, making the conscious decision to mime Kohbee. Hells yeah I'd would vote for him And then you realized you fucked up majorly because you checked my filter and realized i was dt, but had already almost screwed me by pretty much saying that i would claim DT and that my meta was the same as a DT in a different game (which is totally unintentional, btw) and then made it seem as if you were DT to take the hit for me. On April 20 2012 21:04 Lorant wrote: Don't give up, mate. DT will post his investigation and who he's checking tonight (2 minutes before dawn - not 1 second sooner). Tomorrow we'll have a scum lynch .. I guarantee. Correct? or am i accidentally giving you bonus credit? Because thats pretty damn smart. I'm insane, I don't know what I'm doing but sometimes it helps. | ||
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