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Obvious is that no-one should randomly throw PoP's around yet due to their one-time usage nature. Wbg brings up many good points. We should concentrate on locating the evil toys and co-operate to get them soaked by flames. Not really sure what to make of BM's claim either. I hear it's typical of him, but in all honesty, I don't give a flying fuck about meta. I'd like him to confirm if his supposed check works on the slot where he left from also, as I think that remained slightly unclear. | ||
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On April 02 2012 02:20 cascades wrote: So, for example ##pull: palmar Palmar should move from p19->p20 Simple roleclaim check. Also option of letting palmar get item still available. Personally, I view letting him get item as last resort. Not the best use of PoPs, but better than nothing. What's with the hasty need to use a PoP on Palmar just to confirm his roleclaim? Especially since you helped him towards the item (or the lethal spots), when you yourself said that you do not want him to get the item unless as a last resort. I don't like this at all, looks to me that you're trying to get away without responsibility for your PoP's. I don't think we were in that much of a need to confirm roleclaim, I am fairly sure we would've got it found out pretty soon anyway, for a more valid reason than yours. Thus, why are you dodging responsibility for your PoP's? About a possible secondary voting system: I am not in favour of this. If the majority decides so however, I will try to be a teamworker as much as I can, provided the reasoning is good. | ||
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On the other hand, I'm not convinced at all that Palmar would be playing with a town motive in mind. He claims cascades is town, with absolutely no arguments for it. He also reacts surprisingly when he heard that Tobon had correctly assumed his other ability, even though it was based on last game. What's important here is Palmar's reaction. He's very keen on getting to know right away that how someone found it out, which doesn't ring any good bells with me. As for the moment, I am still saving my PoP's for later. I'm still not in favour of Palmar getting the item. I am somewhat okay with the bluelightz pushes for the moment, but I'll wait and see how things go on until I decide my own action. I also would like the veterans pay more attention to the newer players instead of constantly trying to metagame each other. How about just actually trying to win the game by playing it instead of going for metaguessing? @ Palmar: Care to confirm that your ability is one-time use only? | ||
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On April 02 2012 22:27 risk.nuke wrote: I'm okey with killing layabout or bluelights. I'm using my abillity today and can't PoP. I am fairly sure I know your ability. Could you tell me if it will work on your spot as well? I suggest you don't reveal at what point you decide to activate it. | ||
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This if of course assuming that I am correct about his role. I would also like to remind you that there can be Evil Toys that show up as Good. From DF1 for example: + Show Spoiler + Welcome to Death Factory Mafia! You are the insidious Merciless Toy! You are a bad, Bad Toy. A nasty little bugger you are. You appear to be a Good Toy to any detecting toys. You also get TWO PoP actions per day. You win by eliminating all the Good Toys or out numbering them at the end of the day. Your allies are (). Good luck! For the love of god, please think twice before using your PoP's. I'm starting to get seriously pissed off with everyone claiming back and forth and pretty much wasting their PoPs for nothing. | ||
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On April 03 2012 02:00 Palmar wrote: don't push people you think are scum towards my end unless you're sure I can get out of there. Yeah, my power is public. I type a command in the thread to do it, at latest 3hours before the deadline. I will use it if I'm about to die 3-4 hours before the deadline. Let's just kill wiggles I think. You refused to answer my question. Is your reversal one-time use only as I suspect it to be, or do you have a reason to hide that information? | ||
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I am still against Palmar getting the item, and fine leaving him where he is now, as he is still totally ignoring me. | ||
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Also layabout, pushing someone to the first lethal spot is not that likely to ensure a kill imo.., and remember that if Palmar decides to reverse the queue, then things will change around quite a bit. Snarfs brings up a good point, it could be smart to wait for risk's claim before using more actions, just in case. As Tobon already managed to somewhat waste his push for example. | ||
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It seems to me that certain suggestions are going through way too easily. >_> Also, I will threaten to push Palmar over the edge if someone pushes him to the item. I do not trust him at all currently, and if he doesn't even bother responding to me, I'm fine by killing him. | ||
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On April 03 2012 03:08 Snarfs wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2012 02:56 Cephiro wrote: Sigh. What is it with you people being so insanely obsessed with Palmar getting that item? Are you just living in a fairytale where everything that happens is the best case scenario, Palmar is innocent as a bird, gets a dayvig item, shoots a scum and everyone is happy? It seems to me that certain suggestions are going through way too easily. >_> Also, I will threaten to push Palmar over the edge if someone pushes him to the item. I do not trust him at all currently, and if he doesn't even bother responding to me, I'm fine by killing him. We need to resolve something. I think Palmar could have reasons both as town and scum for hiding whether his ability is one-shot or not. I agree with what VE was saying about being able to judge Palmar's use of any item as pro-town or not. He is held to a certain standard that basically says if you misuse whatever item you get, you're scum. He knows this too. One thing we do need to know though, is if Palmar is going to use his ability today. We can't wait until 3-4 hours before deadline to know because people need to start getting who they believe are scum into position to burn. If he is going to use his ability we've already wasted a few pushes on Blue/cascades. It'd be nice not to waste anymore. Sure, he might have a reason as either alignment to hide that information. But why can't he admit that he doesn't want to then? He's clearly avoiding contact with other players to his best extent. I know that we are able to judge stuff depending on how he decides to use the item if he gets it, but there are certain possibilities that could be easy to fake as well. His play so far has been "Let me get the item" "Random person is town for no reason", and "Lets kill person X". He is certainly not pro-town in my eyes, and for now I will stand by my word. If someone pushes him to the item, I will try to get him over the edge and thus kill him. I do agree that too many persons already have been wasting their PoPs, and the remaining ones should be used carefully. | ||
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On April 03 2012 03:13 Bill Murray wrote: If Palmar uses his ability, I'm pushing Cephiro just sayin' You go ahead and do that, if you want to get the town in an even worse position. Just sayin'. | ||
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On April 03 2012 03:24 Tobon wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2012 03:16 Cephiro wrote: You go ahead and do that, if you want to get the town in an even worse position. Just sayin'. If the queue is flipped, then a push moves you further away from the fire zone. I thought that was an expression of support from BM, not a threat... BM seems somewhat confused though, so who knows. :-) Oh wait, you are right. I just checked how the reversing mechanic worked in the last game. I misunderstood the mechanic of the queue flip. My apologies for my hostile tone if that's what you meant BM. | ||
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On April 03 2012 03:32 layabout wrote: cephiro, why are you opposed to getting things done? Palmar is too close to the item to back out now. Since nobody has said they are pushing him because they want him to die, pushing him over the edge would simply be you deciding to act against the towns wishes. If Palmar were to flip town do you think that we would let you live after pushing him? Besides the longer we leave Palmar in the incineration zone the longer we do not know whether he will decide to flip or not (if he does have that ability), and the longer we do not know where to push our lynch candidate. I think we should be lynching Nemesis. Why kill Wiggles? I am not opposed to get things done. I do not agree that Palmar is "too close to the item to back out now." It's not like if a few persons start a certain way of action that the rest have to fulfill it, even if they disagree. I know that if I pushed Palmar over the edge and he were to flip Town that I would look bad, and probably be on the line to get killed myself by other townies. I am however willing to take the responsibility of the worst-case scenario, since at the moment Palmar is one of the persons that I trust the least. If I had to pick 5 scum now, he'd fit in the list. But that is just my opinion. As for your lynch suggestions, I'm not particularly in favour of either Nemesis or Wiggles, even though they are certainly not the best looking players out there. I'd much rather go for cascades as the "lynch". | ||
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Are you just that much of a bad townie that you have to rely on the chance that Palmar is town, and let him win the game for you? I just can't comprehend this. You haven't even tried doing anything else but talk about Palmar all game long, except for a "lets kill mrzentor" as your first post. And you expect someone to listen to you? | ||
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On April 03 2012 03:47 layabout wrote: @cephiro The thing is that Palmar has given us next to nothing to indicate one alignment over the other and killing him because you "do not trust him" is not justifiable. I am not suggesting we lynch wiggles, but i would like to know why VE and Palmar have suggested that. what has cascades done to make you want to lynch him? You have a very good reasoning for your point of view. My alignment-read on him is however is much more tipped to the scummy side than town based on his actions thus far. I understand your point why you may feel it's not justifiable, but is granting him an item, possibly even something that could give the scum more KP any more justified? I don't think it's worth it just for the reason of "Based on how he uses the item he claims we can get a better read on him". As for why I do not like cascades's play so far: On April 02 2012 02:20 cascades wrote: So, for example ##pull: palmar Palmar should move from p19->p20 Simple roleclaim check. Also option of letting palmar get item still available. Personally, I view letting him get item as last resort. Not the best use of PoPs, but better than nothing. He is one of the first to use a PoP, just to "check his roleclaim". And his action gets Palmar closer to the item, when he says himself that he doesn't want it to happen unless as a last resort, and excuses it by "having the option of doing it if others want to." This looks like a very clear avoidance of responsibility, just trying to get your PoP wasted quickly and not having to worry about how to use it in a better way later. On April 02 2012 19:51 cascades wrote: By my rolecheck, I established that palmar should be mirror toy . I didn't mention it, but by extension, he must have additional powers, else he be just a gimmicky VT. The fact that he hasn't said anything despite being pushed closer and closer indicates he is either afk or has confidence in his power. He then adds another reasoning that he just "didn't mention", trying to make up for his poor reasoning for the earlier vote. Anyone that started this game should have been smart enough to check up on some of the roles that were used on DF1, and thus he could've fairly surely assumed he has additional powers. However, his PoP does not prove this in any way or another, which just proves my point of his poor comeback claim. Looks to me that he's just simply posting filler and fluff and doing nothing useful, I'd be glad to see him go. | ||
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I am willing to use a pull on either sbrubbles or syllo. | ||
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Imo push sbrubbles once, then use the pulls to confirm one more player (Mattchew or bluelightz) | ||
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Polie Car Toy in DF1: + Show Spoiler + Welcome to Death Factory Mafia! You are the criminal catching Police Car Toy! You are a Good Toy. My my well aren't you one of the most popular Toys around? You're used to being the tools of little boys imaginations everywhere in chasing down the bad guys! That said you come with a homing beacon that can detect evil near you. You can trade your PoPing ability during the day to turn on your homing beacon. It will detect Bad Toys up to 2 queues above and below you by signaling a red light if any are in the vicinity. It will give you a false positive if at least 2 toys aren't available to be scanned. If you PoP anyone you can't use it during that same day. Once you have been PoPed your homing beacon will turn off. The bolded part is why I believe that as long as no-one PoPs risk.nuke, the beacon stays active. Which basically means it should turn off after the Evil Toy(s) are pushed out of his range. I believe this is what Tobon meant, as this is what I thought as well, until risk claimed otherwise. | ||
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You pushed BM which doesn't get us anywhere, and now you pulled sbrubbles, which does not get us anywhere either, unless you are 100% certain that I am town and that risk's ability works only on that certain moment, and you're trying to pull Sbrubbles all the way down? Please clarify to me what you tried to achieve by that pull? | ||
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Also, browsing through filters and the thread, this stuck in my eye: On April 03 2012 03:37 layabout wrote: I have no PoP's  He has however used none. Would you care to clarify layabout? | ||
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On April 03 2012 04:54 layabout wrote: I cannot PoP save Palmar + Show Spoiler + i will be back later but for now Game of thrones is on Please clarify, are you claiming you cannot PoP at all, or is it due to you using an alternate action, or someone else using an action on you? | ||
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I think I need to calm down a bit before I decide what to do though and not act on a whim, so many things happening in such a short while. | ||
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(I'd like to make sure I don't misunderstand.) If I counted right, we have 10 pushes and 11 pulls available. If we have certain roles that were available in DF1, then there is a possible -1 pushes in this count, and +1&1 Push&Pull possibility as well. | ||
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On April 03 2012 05:13 Mattchew wrote: sure ill sign up... ##push visceraeyes Anyone else get scumvibes off Mattchew? All he's been doing is push Palmar for the item, and now he's just ready to push VE into the lethal spots as well, when we have no idea if we even have the people to get him out of there! Looks to me that you like feeding people to the flames. Not because of your push only, but the way you do it. You come here and never provide any content, and just throw your votes around. If we decide to save Palmar, we need to co-ordinate to do it, or we'll end up with another likely townie getting consumed by the flames. :/ | ||
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On April 03 2012 05:16 Snarfs wrote: @Tobon and Cephiro: While I appreciate that there is a good likelihood many roles overlap between DF1 and DF2 please state all of your assumptions exactly as they are and really think if there is any way to confirm your assumptions before you use your PoPs (Tobon especially). Tobon you wasted both your PoPs when all we really had to do was wait for risk to explain his role. Cephiro, if people are going to use their roles to help out, let them explain it. There's no way you could actually know VE's role just from him saying that he has a way of saving Palmar. I perfectly understand what you mean, and I by no mean take any similarities as certain. I am however very sure that I know VE's role, but that's nothing that needs to be dwelled on further. There is a reason why I've saved my PoPs this far, and I am not going to act on impulse just due to an assumption of a previous game. | ||
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On April 03 2012 06:39 Sbrubbles wrote: Ta-da-da-da! Sbrubbles is here to save the day! Or something! ##push visceraeyes Now seriously, I just got off from work, this weekend was crazy, I couldn't post at all and blah-blah-blah-no-one-cares. I'm still sorry, though .Just finished reading the thread. I'll post my opinions soon enough, but for now, I see no point in leaving Palmar hanging. My read of him is mostly null (though the only game I played with him he played like he didn't care and was scum all along), but the being caught stranded the way he is convinced me he's town unless VE is actually scum and they're doing a crazy play to get everyone's trust (yeah, I doubt it). VE's plan sounds sound. @Sbrubbles : What is your reaction to risk.nuke's ability? Essentially means there is at least 1 scum in you, me & syllo. @ VE : Hm :/ I don't want to push and get you killed unless we have more people on that are going to follow. Even though we supposedly have more than enough PoPs available, it unfortunately doesn't mean everyone is going to use them. I will be online for some time still however, but I do not want to use my push on VE just yet, since in the worst-case scenario it could get him killed too. @layabout : Acrofales has already used his Push on VE. | ||
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VE, can you confirm what is the situation once Palmar is on your back, would we need reverse actions on you to get you out of there, or will normal pulls work since Palmar is just riding you? | ||
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On April 03 2012 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know all that Ceph...I'm pretty sure that only affects PoPs of Palmar himself, but people will be PoPing me...but that's speculation and we'll just have to see. ^^ You do realize that a guessing game is not very optimal for us, if we flip a coin to see what happens, in the worst case scenario once you got Palmar on your back, then we could mistakenly push you to the item (which doesn't seem that bad), but that would give scum the possibility of getting you both killed instantly. Especially since they may very well have hidden or extra PoP. Is there a chance you could confirm from the mod what happens in such a situation? (Palmar on your back and you get PoP'd) | ||
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What I am interested in however, is Tobon, your claim about being able to save VE if absolutely necessary? Do not reveal the details, but if you could be kind enough and clarify to me that is VE the only one you are able to save (there is no way for you to save Palmar, for example?) | ||
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On April 03 2012 07:00 Tobon wrote: I can't think of a way to answer that without revealing more. I'll role claim if it makes the difference between saving them or not (like, if you insisted on not using your push without details, and others didn't step forward either), but I'd prefer not to say more right now. Keep the information to yourself for now. We need every bunch of tricks we can still have, considering that there are so many roles claimed and known already. I have my reasons to believe you are town, but do me a favour and do not use your PoPs as recklessly tomorrow, if you survive till that. | ||
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On April 03 2012 07:07 Acrofales wrote: Okay, I am going to bed. RL > mafia. Hope this plan works, guys and sorry I can't help pull VE back out of the fire. I looked if there's anything to spend my pull on and I don't see anything, so unless I can give my pull to someone else to help get VE back down I'll just ##wait You could always pull sbrubbles or syllo, since we do still have a chance at getting one of them instakilled. | ||
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On April 03 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote: In fact, in Nemesis is town, his pulls are probably twice as strong too..we may just need his pull to get us clear. Obviously I wouldn't mind one or two buffer pulls, but I'd rather be one in the safe and be able to kill someone with those pulls. I think it might be smarter if Nemesis is around if we get one more push on you, so that we could do X's push, my push, you take Palmar, and Nemesis pulls you out. And I could still use my pull as a buffer, or then to try and get someone killed. | ||
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Syllo or sbrubbles? I don't really like the play of either, it's hard to say from sbrubbles since he hasn't posted almost anything, and hasn't responded to my questions yet either. I don't really get a very towny-vibe from syllo though, and since I am fairly sure that risk's claim is true, I know that one, or even both of them are Evil. Opinions? | ||
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On April 03 2012 07:26 Acrofales wrote: No. I disagree with both lynches atm. The case on Syllo seems to be just meta and I don't know him long enough to say anything. In GoT mafia he was disinterested and played a similar style, but he was town there (of course, he was a hydra with Sandroba, so not a very good read). The case for Sbrubbles was that he's a lurker and hasn't done anything useful. He seems to be back and posting more actively. I don't like Cephiro's tone, but that's not enough to lynch him over yet. If risk's claim is true then one of syllo, sbrubbles and cephiro is scum, but atm I don't know enough to decide. I am also unsure of believing risk atm, so I'd rather wait than mislynch. G'night. PS. At the top of the queue I have clearer reads, but I already used my push. Thank you for kindly strengthening my read on you.  | ||
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On April 03 2012 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh, it kinda goes without saying that if we pull this off and save Palmar, everyone better be onboard with killing that dude tomorrow if he doesn't make with the contribution after all the effort. Just sayin. EBWOP: Totally agree. And I certainly don't want Palmar to be the person that goes for the item tomorrow if he lives. I hope he starts putting some actual effort in this game if he is as town as he claims to be. | ||
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On April 03 2012 07:35 Nemesis wrote: Also, if I got it right either sbrubbles or syllogism is scum from risk.nuke's dt check? If so, I'll be reading over their posts soon. In theory it is possible that I am scum, but I assure you I am not. From my perspective, at least one of sbrubbles or syllogism is scum, but there is a chance that both of them are. | ||
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If we have enough pushes after the rescue mission (which hopefully will succeed), I'd suggest for cascades to be pushed into the flames. For the pull I stand by what I said earlier, I know that syllo or sbrubbles, or even both of them are scum, so I am fine with either. If one flips town, I know the other is scum for sure. (Well, there is a possibility that risk.nuke fakeclaimed, but in my opinion that is extremely unlikely.) | ||
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On April 03 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Why do people want you dead Ceph? I'd go back and look, but I'd like to know your take on it. Well, I don't know if there are that many persons that would want me dead, but I would assume if someone would want to kill me, then these would be possible reasons: 1) My strong stance against Palmar getting the item, even threatening to kill him if someone pushes him on the item. 2) I am playing well and the Evil Toys are starting to get afraid I might get something done. 3) I am playing horribly and Evil Toys are trying to get a mislynch on a bad townie. 4) People believe for whatever reason that out of Sbrubbles, syllogism and me, I am the most likely mafia player. 5) I have not claimed nor showed use of any kind of abilities yet. That's all I come up with for now. If I would have to guess, my strong stance against Palmar getting the item is one of the most likely reasons. But as said before, I had my reasons to doubt his town-ness, and I did not like at all how some persons were just ready to give him extra power based on his play up to that point. | ||
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On April 03 2012 08:09 prplhz wrote: Do you still need help with the pony-plan by the way? Also, Cephiro helping out with the plan isn't a town tell at all. Scum would probably love to throw their votes away at something that is protown and that will definitely be done anyway. They'd probably flock to be the first to do it. Since, according to risk.nuke at least one of syllogism, Sbrubbles and Cephiro is scum, why don't we just lynch all of them? It's a 3:1 balanced game and lynching all of them would give us at worst 2 town and 1 scum which would skewer the game in our favor, although it would be 3:1 lost with the night kill. I definitely think we should lynch into the list. I'd like to lynch Cephiro. Yes we need help with the pony plan. Please push VE once. Also, I have at no point said that helping with the plan would make me any more town than anyone else. If you haven't noticed, I've been decently careful with the whole idea, but at the moment I believe it is the right thing to support. I am interested to hear why you would like to lynch me before syllo or Sbrubbles. And please don't give me a reason such as "You're 1 spot closer." | ||
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On April 03 2012 08:15 prplhz wrote: Hey Cephiro I think you were being irrationally afraid of Palmar getting the item, I had a really hard time following that train of thought. Can you tell me again in a couple of sentences why you were so opposed to it? Yes, it looks indeed that he might be town after all. Or at least he does look better than he did earlier, but I do certainly not trust him yet. If you read my earlier post, I base my reasoning mostly on the fact that Palmar's play was certainly nowhere near pro-town enough that he should be given the item. His interest in only getting the item, and certain persons vouching for him to get the item without hesitation awoke my suspicions. If you check his filter, you can see that he hasn't really done anything for the town. And now we're here saving his ass from trouble regardless. With my gambit, I wanted people to pull their heads out of their ass and start thinking for a moment for worser scenarios instead of just going with the "Palmar gets the item and he shall save us allll". One more thing that made me even more opposed was the fact that Palmar did not respond to any of my questions, nor communicate with me in any way despite my tries, and yet he did at the same time with other persons. Just because you're a vet doesn't mean you should ignore the newer players. (Okay, this is getting slightly offtopic.) | ||
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On April 03 2012 08:20 Nemesis wrote: how many more pushes do we need, can we save palmar right now if prp helps? If prp pushes, then I push, then VE picks up Palmar, and you pull VE, we should have them both safe. I am however waiting for prp still... | ||
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@prplhz: Take the time you need to respond to others, but could you please just push VE already so we can get this rescue over with, or would you rather see Palmar die? | ||
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On April 03 2012 08:50 Tobon wrote: 4:10 until day ends, right? Yes, fairly sure that's the case. | ||
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On April 03 2012 08:48 Sbrubbles wrote: Cephiro, aside from you trying to get me killed (though unlike syllo, at least you tried talking before using your PoP), I can't fault your play too much. You're mostly null to me, though you have your scum points. At the beginning of the game I would agree on your stance on getting Palmar the item, in that the items are so much more useful in the hands of scum that it isn't worth a 3/4 chance of town getting it. But after he got close (before he was frozen), he just couldn't complete his task, which would be easy with a scum buddy, so I think he could be read as town. Threatening to off him is terrible play from a town perspective. It would lead the town in a bad direction (you'd be lynched if he turned green) and sounds like blackmail above all. That is scummish in my book. Also, your overall agressiveness on Palmar seems a bit forced. Based solely on posting it's hard to argue he is anything. Good post overall, I hope you'll be contributing more soon. I'd like to clarify a few things though. I did not threaten to kill Palmar after he was frozen, I did it before. As you can notice, since then I have been pretty much in favour of rescuing him with the help of VE, although I have admittingly not used my PoP yet, but that's for a good reason. As I admit earlier, I may have come out slightly too aggressive-looking, but at that point I was convinced there should be absolutely no reason why I should let Palmar get the item, and he looked very scummy to me. He is by no means confirmed town to me after his frozed-ness, but at the moment I believe that it is for the best of town to get him rescued out of there. Maybe he'll even start contributing something. | ||
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I guess I'll give a heads-up too. VE, say the word and I'll push right after I read your post. So prp, you think I'm scummy because I did not want Palmar to gain the item. However, as wbg pointed out, you didn't want that yourself either. Admittingly, I've been much more vocal about myself being against it, but really? | ||
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Here we go! | ||
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On April 03 2012 09:10 prplhz wrote: CONTEXT No, I don't think you were scummy because you did not want Palmar getting the item. I think you were scummy because you seemed afraid of him getting the item. I didn't want him to get the item because I was afraid of putting him into the red zone because scum could have hidden powers. Why were you convinved of anything by a guy whose arguments were "rofl" and "roflx2"? I'm not eager to throw my vote away. I'd rather use it to pull you towards the edge but more than anything I want Palmar and VisceraEyes alive. I'd rather some people I trust to be town use their PoPs on it but I'll help out because I want it to happen and I can't stay around until deadline. I love how you keep dodging the question wbg points at you, just trying to focus on me. And the only thing that you have on me is that I seemed "afraid" of Palmar getting the item. Very convincing. Why do you think wbg has convinced me? He brought up a very good point which I do agree with. That doesn't mean he has me in a leash or anything of the sort. In all honesty, you are digging your own grave with every new post you make. Do you honestly want to look what this looks like to me? It looks like you're trying to divert the attention from your scumbuddy syllogism to a townie mislynch. | ||
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My own opinions are still the same as they were earlier: Out of the top people, I would like to see cascades pushed to death. Out of the bottom people, I would like to see syllogism pushed to death. I was a bit more even with Sbrubbles and syllogism earlier, but Sbrubbles latest post was at least decent, and the way phrplz acted makes syllo look worse in my eyes. I have one pull left, which I will be most likely using on either Sbrubbles or syllogism. (Preferably the latter, but I'd prefer a kill over none at all.), or if it looks bad, I will buffer VE/Palmar. | ||
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On April 03 2012 09:30 prplhz wrote: He was nullified by scum and would be a pretty poor move if Palmar was scum. Okay, I believe this is what they call WIFOM. But I'd like to point it out anyway: How could you know for sure he was nullified by scum? I do admit that it certainly doesn't look like a pro-town move, but there is a slight possibility it could have been a townie ability. | ||
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@ Nemesis: The Horsie Toy in DF1 was able to move one spot upwards or downwards once per day if I'm not mistaken, and that could be the explanation. I think VE used it on his way upward to Palmar though? | ||
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I know that one of Sbrabbles & syllogism is scum, and at the moment syllogism looks scummier to me due to aforementioned reasons. That's my PoP for today. | ||
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On April 03 2012 09:44 prplhz wrote: Okay. Then lets assume that. If there's 95% chance of the thing that I'm assuming then why are you even complaining? What do you gain by this other than just ruining whatever shred of a case you had against me by proving conclusively that you're just tunneling me? I can understand wherebugsgo, he has some crazy idea that getting on people's nerves will make his read of them better (I totally disagree with that, he's better in observer QTs because he isn't in the game to screw everything up), but why are you doing it? I'm kinda leaning more town on you after reading through your filter. You seems excessively active for a scum, even though a lot of it has been mindless OMGUS aggression against me spurred on by wherebugsgo. Wbg simply pointed out a contradiction you did, you brought the rest up on yourself only by your own actions. Guess what? I don't care if you lean more town on me now. At the moment you would have to do much more than try to buddy with me to change my mind about you. So if you're trying to get me out of the way, I dare you to kill me at night. Because you ain't getting rid of me that easily. Also just fyi, I have no need to tunnel on you. I have several other scumreads, but you're just strengthening yours by every post you make. | ||
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I am out of PoP however. Before you make the choice, please re-read both of the filters and make up your own opinion. | ||
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risk.nuke - Please contribute more. Even if what you claim is true and your ability helps the town a lot, there's still so much more you can do by actively scumhunting. Mattchew - Hasn't really done anything useful. Very eagerly likes to start pushing townies towards the flames. (He was one of the first ones to pull Palmar & push VE, the thing which makes it stand out for me is his lack of other contribution and the way he just instantly used his PoPs, giving at least me the feeling that he didn't bother thinking about possible outcomes at all.) Was vouching for Palmar to get the item somewhat loudly, didn't show consideration of other possibilities at all. layabout - I want at least proof of your claim that you do not have any PoP as someone pointed out, so please show it to us now that D2 has started. I'm having a hard time believing you have no PoP at all unless you have a very strong ability to make up for it. syllogism - After checking the day post, I know that syllo is scum, no need for me even to analyse his filter. I will spoiler some things below however. Also, just watch him start to try and get me killed now that I am absolutely certain he is Evil. + Show Spoiler + On April 01 2012 18:21 syllogism wrote: There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't implement a voting system of sorts. Even if there are some issues with some people not cooperating, it will still produce useful information. Further, everyone should be forced to explain their reasons for pushing or pulling someone as it's quite likely there are also scum powers who need to PoP to use their ability and a free for all just allows hiding such actions. I found the bolded interesting. Are you meaning abilities alike Hulk Toy's extra strong PoPs or something else? I'd clarification on this. Also, you say that everyone should be forced to explain their reasons for PoPing someone. However, I find your reasoning to push BM extremely lacking. He also pushes for Bill Murray, with his only reason that he believes the roleclaim to be unlikely/fake. The only thing he "co-operates" with others by doing this, is when he asks if anyone is up for a BM lynch. After pretty much no responses, he proceeds to waste his push anyway. If you read his filter, you can also see that he isn't actively pressuring anyone, but mostly standing aside and just laughing off any suspicions pointed at him. He hasn't been actively scumhunting at all, but he sure finds the time to laugh at any fingers pointed at him. prplhz - Is very against Palmar getting the item, but later considers me very scummy due to the same reason, with the only difference that I was slightly more vocal about it. Keeps dodging wherebugsgo's questions after he points out this contradiction, as well as refuses to provide detailed reasoning why he is so sure about syllogism being town. He tries to get me lynched, but after seeing town supporting me, he quickly changes his mind about tunnelling me and starts buddying up with me, pointing out how I now suddenly seem more town to him. After this he proceeds to pull sbrubbles (Town). If you're going to call me out, please be more creative than everyone else so far, we don't need more Captain Obviouses to point out I was very against Palmar getting the item, you're not going to get any further by constantly bringing that up. | ||
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On April 04 2012 13:57 syllogism wrote: Morning. If I see someone mentioning even once that I "wasted my push", I'm going be quite upset. Cephiro you are even a +2 GMT person and you are still pushing that drivel, what gives? I want to get you killed. That gives. | ||
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On April 04 2012 13:59 syllogism wrote: Yes, you have been wanting that since the game began Nope, that is false. Only since risk.nuke's Cop claim and your reaction to it. And especially now that Sbrubbles is dead, I know for 100% certainty that you are Evil. The only possible way that is not the case is if the Evil Toys have a framer (highly unlikely?), or risk.nuke fakeclaimed (doesn't seem very likely either?). So that leaves me the option of getting you killed. | ||
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On April 04 2012 14:00 wherebugsgo wrote: What I'm wondering right now is whether it's better to trust you and push you toward the item or push someone I think is scum. First of all, you aren't confirmed town until you die. (if syllo flips scum it's actually still remotely possible you're scum as well, though I find that extraordinarily unlikely). As syllo hasn't flipped yet, what I'd rather do is kill syllo first, then determine whether or not you're trustworthy. Problem with this? I know I am not confirmed town, even if I managed to get syllo killed. I have no problem with this, however if I get enough support I would like you to consider twice about helping me in my plan. That way you will be able to use your pulls on another scum. | ||
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On April 04 2012 14:02 syllogism wrote: No, that is correct because that is me saying you are a bad, bad toy. Just as I knew, the moment I saw the daypost I knew you would just start trying to convince everyone I am scum, because that's all you can do. You're basically out, and now you're just trying to get 1 more townie down before you die, simple as that. Scared of me getting the item, or scared of me going to the lethal area? | ||
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On April 04 2012 14:01 syllogism wrote: Do not push scumphiro to the item. Why would he even suggest that as town? He gives a very weak explanation for not being afraid of the nullify power or any other power that could possibly kill him. He isn't afraid because he knows there is nothing to be afraid of. Who said I am not afraid of the possibility I might die? At the moment after weighing all the possibilities, the reward is far greater than the risk. | ||
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On April 04 2012 14:06 syllogism wrote: This is such a stupid post You're too predictable syllo. All game long you've been just laughing whenever someone points fingers at you, and telling how bad players that don't push for your scum agenda are. I'm sorry, but you're not going to be able to discredit me with your "He is bad/stupid" -posts, all you're doing is making yourself more confirmed scum in the eyes of others for being so ignorant. You haven't done anything useful for town this game, and people can see that. | ||
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On April 04 2012 14:09 syllogism wrote: That's not me discrediting you, the post was painful regardless of your alignment But you still felt the need to point it out, even if it was obviously such a horrible post? I'm not going to bother spamming the thread by replying to your nonsense. You're just cluttering up the thread. Everyone should see by now that you haven't done anything to actively help the town. | ||
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I am volunteering to be pushed all the way to spot 24. | ||
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Also syllo, why are you so keen to find out? Afraid you can't stop me?  Well I'm not gonna let you in on it, just read again what I said. The reward is worth the risk. | ||
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If I would have to pick which to pull out of Tobon/Bluelightz, I'd go for Blue. But I feel there are players that are scummier that should be pulled instead. | ||
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On April 04 2012 14:33 prplhz wrote: Okay why is nobody talking about confirmed scum Bluelightz? I say we all pull him. I'm not opposed to killing Tobon either but I don't think he's as safe as Bluelightz and syllogism. Of syllogism and Cephiro I'm up for killing syllogism first. I don't like the weird Cephiro-item plan, similar plan went horribly wrong yesterday and we don't know what other powers that scum might have. Lets just pull Bluelightz and push syllogism. Other than that, I think that the lights-out scum ability was not only to cause chaos in conjunction with Bluelightz role (I imagine we could see the potentially booby trapped positions if there were lights?), but also to make risk.nuke's DT ability useless for today. I still believe in risk.nuke's role claim. How is Bluelightz confirmed scum? Also, a push for me is a push for syllogism. Best-case scenario in my plan: I get two Evil Toys killed. Worst-case scenario in my plan: I die, flip town, and give you a confirmed scum in syllogism. How do you like the odds of that? | ||
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And then his buddying on me. Is there any more confirmation I could ask for? | ||
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On April 04 2012 14:39 Snarfs wrote: This sounds like fearmongering. Trying to convince us it's not worth our pulls to kill you rather than convincing us you're not scum. This is a scum tactic. Please don't use it if you're town. Fairly sure he means it in a pro-town way, as Nemesis pushed him a whole 3 spots upwards (which could be much more due to stacking.) That means he'd be much easier killed by feeding him to the flames, I am fairly sure his suggestion of how to kill him if you decide to do so is pro-town.  | ||
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On April 04 2012 14:40 prplhz wrote: If Cephiro is really up for it (I'm not really as worried about losing him as I was about losing Palmar because he's really just a tunneling bastard , then we could push him TO the item, then he could do his thing (I imagine it's some kind of place swapper?) and kill syllogism. Then we could use the rest of our pushes on Tobon and our pulls on Bluelightz. If anything is leftover, we do our best to kill Mr. Wiggles.How about that? @Cephiro Bluelightz is confirmed scum because he used his ability when it's a scum favored ability and he was told so in the thread by me and by layabout. He absolutely has to die. The only reason to push you to kill syllogism instead of pushing syllogism to kill syllogism is that you will get the item. I don't like the plan though because in case scum has some hidden ability, like another nullified or something similar they can mess with us, maybe especially so now that the lights are out. I want to kill syllogism and I'd rather push syllogism. The item isn't worth it like it wasn't worth it yesterday. I don't want to end up in a similar situation because we want some item. Yeah, of course you're not worried about losing me, you'd just be delighted if that happened, one less person that knows you are scum. If you check my posting, you can clearly see I do not tunnel, but I have my reasons to believe and know that you & syllo are both scum. Why would I let you off the hook for something I know? PS: Your imagination couldn't be more wrong. But I shall reveal no more details, although I am fairly sure you aren't able to stop me. Why do you rather push me to kill syllo, just for the item? When in your opinion it's not worth it. Also as I said before, I do not need to be rescued. | ||
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On April 04 2012 14:54 Snarfs wrote: Cephiro, do you actually know something here? You use that word a lot. I know that syllogism is Evil. I am as certain as I can be that prplhz is Evil also. (But I cannot back this up to a modconfirmed extent yet.) | ||
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On April 04 2012 14:55 prplhz wrote: Cephiro, yes, you are tunneling. I don't really care if you're tunneling town (me) or scum (syllogism), it's still annoying for town and I'm not really worried about scum using a power to get you killed. 1. If you read my filter, you can see I am "tunneling" on cascades and Mattchew as well. I am sorry, I must have misunderstood what tunnelling means, all this time I've been thinking it is senseless accusing of one certain person only. Care to clarify this for me? 2. If you are town, why would you NOT CARE if someone is tunneling in your opinion, as it can be harmful for town? If you think I am town, why are you not worried about scum using a power to kill me? | ||
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I stand by my word though, I know syllogism is scum. | ||
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My 5 scumreads: syllogism, prplhz, cascades, Acrofales, Mattchew + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 16:35 Acrofales wrote: Good morning. Had a quick glance through the thread and I am quite opposed to Cephiro's plan. I just don't trust the guy. If we believe risk.nuke's claim (and I still do) that means either Cephiro or Syllo is scum. Atm I'm leaning slightly to Syllo, but just plain statistics say we shouldn't bet on Cephiro. Pretty much everybody else has better chances of not being scum, so until Syllo is dead and confirmed red, I am not cooperating with anything Cephiro proposes. Gonna read the rest of the thread now. I understand it's dark (and full of terrors). I can obviously get behind the bluelightz pulling. I have to get to work, but when I get there I'll read the thread more carefully and decide what to do (probably pull bluelightz). God you are flip-flopping fast. Do you want to know why I find this hilarious? Out of everyone in the game, only the ones that are in the 5 people i suspect to be scum have gone out and made a case on me. Are you actually that afraid of me, or are you trying to make me look bad by trying to make me look like I'm just OMGUSing? + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 16:53 Acrofales wrote: Let me phrase that a bit better: we have to take into account the very real possibility that Cephiro is scum. If he's scum and we send him up there he gets: 1. An item 2. To activate whatever dastardly ability he has that requires him to be in the incineration zone (if I let my imagination run wild I can think of quite a few rather nasty ones, such as increase the size of the incineration zone). Because it's dark, we won't even know what he's doing until it's too late. If he's town and we send him up there we get: 1. An item 2. To fulfill his masterplan of which we do not even know the rewards. Cephiro said that it helps town and probably gets Syllo killed. While I like the town rewards and could probably get behind a Syllo kill, the rewards for scum are unknown, but probably better. Given the, lets say 40% chance that Cephiro is scum, the risk is just way too high. As said earlier, my plan is way in favour of town. The worst case scenario for town is that I die before we get to use the item, and my death will confirm syllo as scum, so 1:1 trade. Best case scenario, I survive and deliver you 2 scum kills. Or are you actually proposing that after seeing a nullify ability & darkness ability, that I could be some some sort of godlike superscum and get half the town killed by going into the incineration zone? A sacrifical mechanic would be far more likely than that. + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 16:56 Acrofales wrote: So, Cephiro: will your plan have any other benefits than killing Syllo (which we really don't need your masterplan for) and getting you the item (which I don't really want to do at this point)? Read what I said, I did actually bring this up earlier as well but you clearly chose to ignore it. + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 19:09 Dirkzor wrote: I think Cephiro's plan suck. Any plan we made yesterday was fucked and it will be the same today. (and the item is not even in the equation as the item suck. Its like a shiny objects that people really can't wait to dig up but it always turn out just be the opener from a soda can.) I would like people to push Syllo. The fact that scum killed Palmar/Sbrubbles (or one of them) and not syllo is disturbing. Palmar had done shit all so killing him over Syllo makes no sense. I'm assuming Sbrubbles was a town hit becase the only reason I see scum killing Sbrubbles is if Syllo is indeed town. Risk's claim was/i believable even when poorly executed by him. Mattchew is just a oneliner machine who follows whatever crazy plan anyone cooks up to appear to be helping town. If you haven't read, you will not need to save me out of the incineration area, which means you will be able to use your pulls to insta-kill someone by pulling them all the way down. Why would you push syllo, when you can push me and achieve the same? Or would you rather see syllo have the item? I can understand if you wanted to pull him, by pushing him especially after I've told my plan is just.... retarded. Also, agreed on Mattchew. For the love of god though, please read syllogism's filter and show me that he's been even trying to scumhunt. He hasn't done anything valuable for the town yet. + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 19:32 Acrofales wrote: Okay, I have read through the thread. The day lasts 48 hours. Why all the rush with pulling Bluelightz? I thought we agreed after yesterday to not spend our PoPs so hastily? I think Bluelightz is almost certainly scum, but I am far more interested in getting the whole Syllo/Cephiro/risk.nuke mess sorted out. Can we wait with the bluelightz pulls until we've figured out a plan for that? I'm still waiting for Cephiro to come up with a better explanation of why his plan benefits town (and as I explain below I am now actually very suspicious of him). Instead of his plan, I propose both Cephiro and Syllo get pulled off the bottom just to be sure. A 1:1 trade is generally good for town and the only chance it's not a 1:1 trade is if risk.nuke was lying, in which case he gets lynched tomorrow. I have gone over Syllo and Cephiro's filter with a comb. Lets start with Cephiro: I find his assertions of why his plan is townie increasingly scummy the more I look at them. He has a LOT of filler asserting that he's town and we should listen to him. Do I need to refer to the OP of jubjub mafia about why this is completely pointless posting? You can't prove your town by asserting it and the increased repetition is just making me suspicious: who are you trying to convince with this? You get in a bitch fight with Syllo, which serves NOBODY. We are all almost certain that one, or both of you are scum and you two squabbling over it is completely useless and just clogs up the thread. On to his reason for not revealing any details of the plan: Okay, nobody wants the details of HOW it works, just WHAT it does and why that benefits more than just pushing Syllo (or actually, both of you) off the cliff. Your reluctance to say anything other than "it benefits town and will get Syllo dead" is not making me like your plan at all. Next, I don't understand how he is not afraid of the nullify thingy that got Palmar stuck up there and his explanation of why not seems extremely dubious: Pray tell us your "reasons to believe", oh enlightened one! Is it because it's a scum ability and this is a scumslip? He also seems in an incredible rush to get this to happen before people have time to think it through. In fact, the one redeeming quality is that, if he's scum, I would've expected other mafia to get this bandwagon going, but that's too much wifom for me. On to Syllo: yesterday I thought Sbrubbles was more likely to be scum than Syllo, but things have changed. Taken without what seems to be a serious scumslip by Cephiro, I would almost certainly label Syllo scum now that Sbrubbles flipped town. If we ignore, as he asks us to, his timing on the D1 PoPs, he has contributed a grand total of nothing to this thread. Some speculation on BM's roleclaim is the grand total of his scumhunting. Everything else is filler: he shows presence without actually doing anything useful. He has a somewhat useful dialogue with WBG, but it is only about why he isn't scum, no real contribution at all. Additionally, the same accusation of a giant bitchfight with Cephiro can be leveled at him: useless filler to pad his filter. My opinion: we pull both of them off the cliff to ensure no mistakes. A 1:1 trade is good for town and, given their postings, we might even have two mafia here. First, the point about me somewhat constantly saying I am town. I don't see what's wrong with that. I know I am town and I have no reason to hide it either. Would you rather have me type in conditional every single time? There is no point for me to speculate that I could be scum in every message of mine as I know I am town, and you know it too. So you don't want a roleclaim but you still want to know what my ability does? Well, I'll make it simple for you. It gets scum killed. You also blame me for cluttering the thread up with syllo. Sure, that may be slightly true, but if that's the only way I'm going to convince you guys of getting syllo killed, then so be it. I'm here to kill scum, not to play diplomatics. Also I found it hilarious how you use the same arguments on me as syllogism did. You both keep pointing out how I am not afraid of being nullified, and trying to find out why. Why would you try to find out the reason unless you were scum trying to stop me? You couldn't be much more obvious. Especially since you all use the same poor arguments on me. + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 20:15 syllogism wrote: It doesn't seem possible to even kill ceph today as assuming the nullifying power can be used more than once, scum will just nullify him after we've wasted PoPs on him. Even if they can't do that, he may not be lying about having some sort of power that allows him to switch places in the queue. Look at this gem of a post by syllogism. His only post when he checks the thread is about trying to place suspicion on me. I repeat, he has not and is clearly not going to do anything useful for the town. Is it that hard for you all to see that he hasn't been scumhunting at all? + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 20:16 cascades wrote: Cephiro you complain about Syllo speculating about mafia powers that might need pop to activate, then you go ahead and speculate that its unlikely there's no mafia framer? More importantly, you also softclaim that implies syllo is mod confirmed red. You backed out of it after people called you out, since you still need to have powers to get yourself out of incineration somehow. Doesn't excuse the scummy softclaim. I am really curious about the plan now. I want to hear it. You have to justify better before we help you. There's a chance you scum in our eyes. You've heard the plan and all there is to it. Do you have a reason to believe there is a mafia framer then? Also, you claim that I complained about syllo's speculation about scum powers that may need PoP to activate. This is false however, as I was only asking him questions to specify what he means. Why are you trying to make it look bad for me? + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 22:20 prplhz wrote: No one is disputing your claim, no one ever did. If you read the OP you'd see that everybody in this game has a role, it's in game mechanic 10; everybody is going to flip "blue" (or green as people actually just flip). You were told repeatedly not to use an ability because it was scum favored and then you go ahead and do it anyway. If you're town this is by far the worst performance I have ever seen from a townie. I'm getting a feeling that you're actually town, you're just not reading the thread, and relying solely on having an ability to confirm that you're town, but none of this matters. After what you did, town has to kill you. Let me restate the very clear case on Bluelightz:
Prp wants to get bluelightz killed even though he thinks that he may very well be town. I do not see why a townie would want to kill another townie, unless it would confirm a scum. However, if bluelightz flips town, it will not give us much of a clue towards who is scum. I'm also starting to get annoyed by how everyone claims Bluelightz ability to be scum favoured. Sure, under the circumstances it might be (due to the darkness ability being used), but a skilled town in normal circumstances should easily be able to use it in their favour. I am in no way defending bluelightz however. In my opinion his play so far has been quite lackluster, and isn't contributing the town enough. But there are many others that are so obvious scum that I see no reason to kill bluelightz over them. + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 23:05 Acrofales wrote: In addition to being like 90% certainly scum, you have a problem reading conditionals? I state both possible cases. You're either scum, or a townie who might as well be scum for all the help you're giving them. Brb, I'm grabbing my pitchfork (although a torch would be more appropriate, given the circumstances). While I'm at it, if you are serious about the positions of your bombs, might I point out that position 24 is a COMPLETELY USELESS place to put a bomb, regardless of alignment? Anybody who is on position 24 at the end of the day gets incinerated. All you achieve is that now they (maybe) get blown up, in addition to getting incinerated. Whoop-de-doop. Didn't you say your ability was intended to cost us LESS PoPs to kill people? Acrofales casting further suspicion on Bluelightz, as if he finds the need to ensure that Blue dies tonight. I would like to point out that anyone that actually concentrates on reading the thread would know that Blue doesn't pick those three positions but are randomly chosen by the mods. Acrofales seems to be content with ignoring this fact and blaming Bluelightz for it. | ||
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This would mean that it is pretty much impossible for someone to have started the day at any of those spots, as 24 is in the lethal area, and the last spot of the queue, and 2 is one of the first ones, I am quite confident that no-one would get randomly scattered that far due to the stack mechanic. | ||
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On April 05 2012 01:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Also I find no reason to be overly suspicious about the players who would rather push syllo than you, Cephiro. Unfortunately you both ended at very low positions, so unless you moved it would take a lot of pushes to achieve the goal. It's still quite a risky proposition to just trust you and expect no action from scum even if you turn out to be telling the truth. I'll think about it some more. Others seem to have similar concerns as well. What do you think of Wiggles? Care to clarify the bolded? We're in the dark, are you claiming to have some sort of knowledge about our whereabouts? And if you haven't noticed, the scum is already scared about whether they can stop me or not. And I can assure you, unless they still have some really strong hidden ability that is yet to be revealed, they won't be able to. As said, worst case scenario I die, flip and confirm syllo as scum for you. That's not very bad for a worst case scenario, is it? I'll check through Wiggles's filter again, but I am not particularly concerned that he would be scum right now. | ||
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On April 05 2012 01:43 wherebugsgo wrote: He could very well be lying about the selection being random too. This could explain why the "safe spots" aren't really safe at all. This is true, but it is modconfirmed that it is on one of the positions 2, 13 or 24. It is possible that 13 is unsafe, Blue is scum and is claiming it as safe, but at the moment I don't see that likely enough. If that's the case however, we should know by the day's end. | ||
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5. At the start of each day, every Toy will begin on the middle most queue of the non-lethal queues. However since only 2 toys can be in one spot I will randomly sprinkle you around the remaining queues to start off. I think that should answer your question? | ||
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It's just at the moment the reactions I see regarding my ability are more scared and hasty from the people I suspect to be scum, and more calm and curious-oriented from the players I believe to be town-aligned. For example, you are one of my strongest townreads, but I still consider it a possibility that you are scum. If that's the case however, then you've managed to mindfuck me well. | ||
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On April 05 2012 02:06 Nemesis wrote: I kind of want to test out Cephiro's ability, but there might just be too much risk especially since we don't know what is going to happen. I'd rather PoP people who we think is scum. Mainly, I am looking at pushing Tobon since with my ability it shouldn't take more than a few pushes to put him towards the fire. And PoP syllogism and maybe pulling bluelightz. Your push would be very much appriciated since it's double as strong, and that leaves only the hidden PoP of the scum as the only chance of ninjaing me without revealing themselves. (Or at least I can't think of any more PoP-related abilities that would be able to get me killed without revealing the user.) Remember that a push for me is a push for syllo. I wouldn't try to push it this hard, but as I already revealed that I have a plan and some details of it, it is unlikely that I get another chance this good to use it. Unfortunately it's on a timer so we're starting to get in a hurry if we decide to go with it. | ||
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Acro: I don't really know what more you want to expect. I've already said many times the best case scenarios, why do you keep asking for more? You gain an item for town, a basically confirmed townie, and at least 1 scum kill. (Of course, in theory it is possible that I am syllogism's scumbuddy, but how likely is that? Me asking to be pushed near certain death and use my ability to bus my scumbuddy?) wbg: Wiggles has a relatively short filter, but what I can make of it, he doesn't show much actions that would make me lean scum on him. His play however has so far been very careful, and he hasn't taken an active stance of pressuring scum. So far he is null to me, but I expect him to start pressuring the people he suspects, as he will not get scum killed by quietly humming aside and agreeing, while asking for pieces of information. Has anyone noticed the lack of layabout by the way? | ||
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On April 05 2012 02:56 wherebugsgo wrote: There was a day roleblock on Palmar yesterday; what's to say that they can't use it again? Or the freeze power? As far as I know, they were both effects of the same ability. (The Nullify one). Due to the restrictions in my own power, and based on restrictions in certain abilities in the last game, I am fairly sure that nullify is limited enough that it won't be able to stop me. If I am wrong, I will die and you have confirmed syllo as scum. But we should be able to get the item before that for sure, and Palmar did not mention that nullify would prevent item usage, so I would still be able to use that in favour of town, even in the worst-case-scenario. | ||
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" if scum can stop you, they will stop you, so you might as well tell us all the effects of your plan (but leave out the details of how, if that will stop scum from interfering)." This is what you say. I have told everything I can which doesn't give the scum enough idea how to counter-measure my power. You keep asking me for everything, but then you keep pointing out to leaving out the details if it means that scum can't interfere. This is the point you constantly keep bringing up, you want to know DETAILS about my plan. I have told everything I will tell, deal with it. If there was a mason possibility, I'd gladly explain the full extent of my plan to certain people via PM, but unfortunately that's not possible. If your basis on not pushing me to the flames is that I could be scum with a superpower that extends the flames (that would still leave me there, wouldn't it?), then you're on thin ice. How about you start thinking rationally and don't do stuff because your scared of something that is extremely unlikely. How about you don't PoP at all today because someone could have an ability that kills you when touched? We could pull to kill syllogism, yes, and I would be fine with that too. My plan however is much more beneficial for the town regarding a similar amount of PoPs (unless syllo happens to be right at the bottom again, and I am really far from the flames). My scum reads are also not "Everyone who is against my plan = scum". If you paid more attention to my posts, you would know that I have provided fair analysis based on other stuff than opposing my plan, you're just outright lying here to make me look bad. You ask me to make cases on other people than syllo. And I have, but you choose to ignore them and claim there aren't any. That's just pathetic. As for my ability, I can kill any scum I want, but the amount depends on the circumstances. Happy? | ||
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On April 05 2012 03:11 Bill Murray wrote: I really feel like that is a slip my pull is on someone I know is either town or godfather, basically, if there even is one Are you fucking serious. You waste your PoPs based on wbg using a conditional phrase, and you pull someone that you think are town, when it could be used to kill someone you think is scum. Either you are fucking retarded... actually, that's a retarded move regardless if you are town or scum. Sorry for the insult but that's my honest opinion. | ||
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On April 05 2012 03:34 layabout wrote: Why on earth has Bluelightz received more PoP's than syllo? Might slightly have to do with my plan, as if hopefully we will go through with it, then it would be pointless to PoP syllo. Also, why on earth do you come back to the thread with such a post and not contributing more? Would you please confirm your claim of having no PoP by trying to push me in the thread? | ||
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On April 05 2012 03:37 wherebugsgo wrote: He chose to use his role. Also we need your opinion quickly. Please read up :p I'm currently in favor of pushing Cephiro and pulling Bluelightz/BM. Yeah but he claimed to have no PoP at all when I asked him about if he has no PoP due to using a power or such yesterday. And even if he did that yesterday, he should have PoP today then, unless he has a power that neglects his PoP for the whole game. You seem fairly sure that he is of no danger to town though, am I right if I say that you have a rolecheck on him or are you just speculating? | ||
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On April 05 2012 04:00 layabout wrote: Given what we know, we should kill syllo. Between syllo and ceph we have at least a 50/50 chance of hitting mafia, if risk is being truthful and there are no millers. Of the two cephiro appears to be town because of ________yawn________ Syllogism does not appear to be scumhunting, but has spent time and effort doing "other stuff" Yet i see a number of pulls have been used on Bluelightz, before i have even had a chance to read the thread. It looks like this is going to end up like yesterday... I am not roleclaiming so suck it. I am not asking you to roleclaim, but please prove that you do not have PoP by using a push on me. Otherwise everyone has a fairly good reason to be suspicious of you. Also, please check mine and wbg's arguments for my plan instead of using PoP on syllo. | ||
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On April 05 2012 04:23 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2012 04:10 wherebugsgo wrote: By talking for him, what are you doing? All we've proved is that he isn't reading the thread and thus is as good a kill as anyone else. In addition, you have nothing to lose by confirming that you have no PoP power by trying to pull Bluelightz and push syllo or Cephiro. Again, care to explain why we shouldn't pull blue when you said yesterday if he uses his power he should be killed? What if Bluelightz didn't read the "don't use that anti town power you nitwit" comments? He didn't post during the night after any of them. So it is possible that he believed that it was correct to use his power to confirm his ability. It wouldn't hurt to hear his explanation for his actions before we kill him. Saying that, there is no excuse for his actions. He I didn't talk for Bill Murray. Several people (like you) called him scum for pulling snarfs. But his posts suggest that he thought it would be sending snarfs to safety. Ecuse me for poitning out that some other people were hastily jumping to conclusions and spamming posts to _________* + Show Spoiler [*] + Drown out frankly embarassing scumslips,+ Show Spoiler + "If i were town...." So.... I'm still waiting for the command. Going to prove you got no PoP or not? You're raising in my suspicion list quite nicely at the moment. | ||
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On April 05 2012 04:33 layabout wrote: i am waiting on the mods to tell me if i can speaking of which i just noticed this in Kurumi's profile i feel like i have won an award I mean that if you type ##push Cephiro in the thread now, we should see whether you were honest or not in the next PoP-list update. If you can't do that, then it simply won't work. | ||
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On April 05 2012 06:07 Dirkzor wrote: I dont understand however how Cephiros ability can be on a timer?! Why not? If you check Palmars reverse-ability, it was on a timer as well. In fact, if my ability wasn't on a timer it would be overpowered as hell. I hope there are lots of you around to carry this plan to the end, but the lack of speech and the mod is worrying me. >.> | ||
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On April 05 2012 07:12 Dirkzor wrote: Then its not really on a timer. There are just certain time where you can not use it. I'm guessing 3 hours like Palmar which means we still have plente of time. I was waiting for Ace/Kurumi to update but i have to sleep soon. We'll see what happens... Well yeah, but I thought it's fairly obvious what I meant. We do not have plenty of time however, we are running really short of it. I don't think my ability is THAT much more powerful than Palmar's, but mine is still much more limited... | ||
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On April 05 2012 07:44 Tobon wrote: @Cephiro: This is necessarily vague and roundabout since I don't know exactly what you intend. If there is any point at which your plan is dependent on getting out of the fire once you are in there and relocation would be helpful, remember that I offered safety from VE potentially being fried on day 1. I appriciate that, but even in the case my quest fails you shouldn't save me, as me dying will confirm syllo as scum in a worst case scenario. I am fairly sure I know your ability, and I'm sad to see there are people pushing for your lynch. I trust you to save town with it at the right time. | ||
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On April 05 2012 07:52 Snarfs wrote: ##Push Cephiro If you're willing to die to confirm syllo should your plan fail, then at least you're thinking straight. You should have waited until Ace updated the PoP count.... But hopefully that won't be enough to push me over the edge yet. Glad to see you doing the right thing though. | ||
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On April 05 2012 08:10 cascades wrote: I'm in a rush. More thoughts later. ##Push Cephiro ##Pull Bluelightz Scumbag.. | ||
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syllogism, prplhz, Acrofales, cascades, Mattchew. I am not saying these are absolutely right, but these are people that you should definitely look into more closely. On April 03 2012 05:49 Acrofales wrote: Hey VE, I'll help get Palmar out of there, but it has to happen in the next hour or so, because then I'm going to bed. I wish my ability could be used during the day: I have an easier way to get him out, but it can only be used at night :S Just noticed that in his filter. Anyone else curious? | ||
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On April 05 2012 08:41 layabout wrote: We aren't even halfway through the day yet. You might as well wait and see what he has to say for himself. I think you need to take another look at Acrofales. What do you think his intentions are when he is posting? Is his "flip-flopping" scummy? I am currently taking another look at Acrofales, as he is the person of those 5 that I suspect the least. I am trying to look at his filter objectively without using any game knowledge that I had which we he may not have had when I consider his answers. But for now, I'm waiting to see the refreshed PoP count. | ||
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There is a small chance that scum knows my exact position in the queue. | ||
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On April 05 2012 09:38 wherebugsgo wrote: everyone who still has a push ability should now push syllo. he's clearly scum at this point, not even bothering to defend himself. I suggest not to push him unless you plan on doing it in a blink of an eye and all the way up. I agree that he should be killed, but if there is any other way than pushes, go for it. | ||
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On April 05 2012 09:45 Tobon wrote: Cephiro: do you have any evidence for/against the idea that you are currently in the fire zone? Well, scum can't do anything with this information anyway, and I don't want the town to do a mistake, so... I did not reach the item. This means that I have at most reached lethal spot 20. The item is also still available. | ||
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On April 05 2012 09:45 MrZentor wrote: Could we kill Tobon? I'd much rather kill you than Tobon. | ||
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On April 05 2012 09:52 Tobon wrote: I apologize for the wasted pulling on Bluelightz. I think it's more important at the moment to save Cephiro, and I don't want anyone else to waste PoPs before I do this: ##Revive Well, I knew you were the De Ja Vu Toy, but I was hoping that you would not use it just to save me. :/ I thank you for what you did though, and if there is still someone that doubts that syllo is scum, they're flipped. | ||
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On April 05 2012 09:56 MrZentor wrote: My push on him didn't even count, retard. You can act like scum 18 minutes into the game. You could not have known that it didn't count unless you were scum. So why are you trying to back yourself up with that claim? | ||
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Layabout, would you do a pull action to confirm that you cannot do those either? | ||
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On April 05 2012 09:59 MrZentor wrote: I thought it counted at the time, but I was pmed by the host that it didn't. Yes, exactly. You knew it counted at the time when I already had several pushes on me and I could have been pushed over the edge with that very push. I am not saying you tried that on purpose, but please do not try to use the fact that your push did not count as something to prove you more innocent. Cascades should be killed. | ||
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On April 05 2012 10:00 wherebugsgo wrote: no, he could've. Look at the most recent action list. I mean that he could not have known it at the time when he did it, unless he was scum, as his action did not count. | ||
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On April 05 2012 10:04 wherebugsgo wrote: wait so all actions have been reversed by Tobon's revive? Are we back in the original positions? We are all in the starting positions of Day 2 now, yes. | ||
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On April 05 2012 10:05 MrZentor wrote: You guys do know that 2 people pushed Cephiro after I did, right? Yes we do, and it doesn't confirm anyone of them as scum either. (Although I would very much recommend killing cascades.) | ||
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Layabout, please confirm by using a pull command that you cannot pull either. | ||
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On April 05 2012 10:43 Nemesis wrote: Ok what the shit just happened. So Tobon's ability reset everyone to their starting position? Looks like I will have to reevaluate my read on Tobon. Tobon is probably town then, but really you need to post a lot better. We still need to kill syllogism, what's the plan for now? Well in all honesty, at least I need a pause to think of what to do. As we're still blacked out, and we start pushing scum, we have no idea when they will 1) Reach the incineration zone, or 2) Reach the item. I personally really don't want the scum to gain the item, but we're somewhat short on pulls as we don't know anyone's position. Also, there is 1 booby trapped position which we cannot be sure of. (If bluelightz claim is true, then it is on either position 2 or 24). | ||
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On April 05 2012 10:54 Tobon wrote: I say: Pick 2 scum, 6 pushes each. That doesn't necessarily kill them, but odds are it puts them in the fire and not on the item. All 9 pulls on a third person, which may or may not be enough. We agree on which scum to push first, make sure we get all 6 done before starting on the second one. We don't want to end up splitting more than that. Also, from now on, let's not PoP town into fire zones, no matter how good the plan seems. Nullification is very powerful, and we don't know whether it'll run out or not. This sounds reasonable, but we need to come up with an unified opinion on whom to do these on. And well, in all honesty, it would be still possible to gain the item by pushing+pulling a townie, like you for example. Because it would be beyond broken if nullify was able to be used twice during the same day. Anyway, I still need to think about what is the best choice in my opinion. A 1 shot medic kit - It can not be used on your self. It works for the following night and day cycle. -- Obviously not bad at all A 1 shot gun - Can be used that same day or the following night. -- Could be used to kill a scum for sure (syllo) A magnifying glass = Reveals the alignment of 1 player to you. -- Could be used to reveal a scum / confirm an unsure townie A Teleportation Device - Instantly swap positions with any player on the queue for that day only. -- Could be used to swap a scum in the flames A Refresher Orb that renews all PoPs for everyone and special abilities for the day phase. -- Would let us push/pull multiple scum suspects with a higher chance, however this would also let scum use another nullify (and possibly another hidden pop if they already used theirs?) An Etch-A-Sketch that allows you target a player and draw them, thereby granting yourself a copy of their powers + your own. Mafia players can not copy powers from their allies. -- Could be used to some extent as a DT check, as obviously Nullify and Darkness are mafia only abilities. | ||
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Anyway, I think getting the item should still be considered. It may prove to be very useful, and with the amount of pushes and pulls we have we should be certain to get it and back out. Although if the majority agrees it's too dangerous, I'll happily use my PoP to push and pull scum for death. | ||
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On April 05 2012 11:56 Mattchew wrote: Here are my thoughts. Cephiro is 100% town in my eyes. I do disagree with him about syllo and acro. I get scum vibes from prp and cascades for sure though. I hate trying to figure out bluelightz. In all honesty he is a permanent null read because he seems to always be scum's go to townie lynch. Bill Murray is scum IMO. Tobon is probably scum anyone have any clue as to what the conveyor belt thing looks like after todays actions so far? The bolded statements, what the f---. On April 05 2012 12:31 cascades wrote: Fuck this shit I lost my post and have to retype this shit. Lol ceph don't give me shit. I was in a rush and it was a genuine mistake. My pops weren't in correct format. You gave snarfs a free pass. Cos he buddied with you and I was suspicious of you, for entirely legit reasons? In most other games my pressure on fake softclaim and "i'm town" filler posts would be a gigantic red flag. Don't be hatin. My original post was targetting mattchew since he all but dissappeared like syllo. He still doesn't look good. Why would Tobon's ability make him town Nemesis? Because it was town in previous games? Look at mirror toy. You can't imagine reset power being useful to mafia? Critical thinking. Why would Tobon's use of ability make him town to those that suddenly cleared him? 1) Why can't he be trying to buy town credit? 2) Ceph has some magical power that avoids nullification, which is why he wasn't afraid of mafia using nullification and ruining his plan. Why is there a need for Tobon to use his ability and waste all the pulls on Bluelightz? Critical thinking. Getting item is bad. Ceph left out the critical part, which refresher orb is instant.Don't need more mafia nullifcations and shit. What's up with delay on lynching syllo? We need to move on. Dude's disappeared off the face of the earth. You guys too pussy to start pop because I got chewed out for doing so? ##Push: syllo "My pops weren't in correct format" .... Are you seriously trying to say that just because you forgot to bold your vote it somehow doesn't count or is a mistake vote? I've given snarfs a free pass? When? I didn't even know I had free passes, nice to know. I agree, Tobon's ability doesn't make him town. The way he used does. Unless you go as far as claim that he is scum that fake-claimed, as we can't currently verify his claim. Although, I am sure someone would have been smart enough to counter-claim by this. Unless you go as far and try to claim that Tobon is scum fakeclaiming De Ja Vu Toy when there is not one in the whole game. Occam's Razor, go figure which is more likely. Getting item for town in most cases would have been good. I did not add the word instant into the refresher orb, as anyone playing the game should have read the OP and be aware of that. As you could see, I just copypasted the items and added my comments. In my comments I brought up that the refreshing item would also refresh the scum nullify, so your point is invalid. ----------------- It seems syllo gained the item, which is unfortunate. This is the only reason why I was slightly against at the idea of _pushing_ syllo. At the moment I would kind of just get a bunch of people to push him and see if he gets insta-killed over the ledge, I guess we can only hope that he didn't nail a good item. | ||
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On April 05 2012 14:47 syllogism wrote: Wait cephiro was nullified, essentially confirming himself as scum and you've been pushing me? Amazing. Glad to see you've given up, took you long enough. | ||
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On April 05 2012 14:49 syllogism wrote: If you look at ace's post here, only 4 people had pushed Cephiro, which makes it very unlikely that he was in the incineration zone when he got nullified http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14191830 Yeah, and if you learn to read, you'd see that the nullification is modconfirmed by everyone elses PoP's failing. I can't believe you're still trying? If you claim to be town so hard, why don't you tell us what item you got? | ||
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On April 05 2012 14:53 syllogism wrote: Uh, using nullification on scum is essentially the best thing you can do when you are in danger of being killed by town Last comment to you: Obviously I asked town myself to push me in the dangerzone just to have a scumbuddy to nullify me to gain towncred. Sir, you have just won the game. I am no match for a genius like you. /sarcasm. | ||
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Syllo is hilarious, he comes up with the most flipped plan ever, and proceeds to leave the thread, and also doesn't mention anything about his item. If there is anyone that believes he is town, you're insane. cascades just keeps making himself look worse in my eyes. He blatantly ignores a lot of stuff on purpose, to try and make his words sound more confident to mislead town. He claims I gave Snarfs a free pass because I did not call him out as scum for voting me after I told everyone to stop. However, based on his earlier filter and his interaction, I have a good reason to believe that it was an honest mistake, but everything about cascades, and especially his post-vote-reactions tell me it was intentional. He also goes on about how my opinion about the town going for the item is absolutely horrible, and even claims that scum could very well just use nullification again. In my opinion this game would be more than broken if they could use it more than once a day, that'd be insane, as it causes all PoP's that hit the target to fail, as well as roleblock for the whole day/night cycle. He keeps going on about syllos idea about "Nullification+Reset power are worth it to make a scum confirmed townie". Whether he is town or scum, he's incredibly stupid for even thinking that is a realistic possibility, considering I volunteered myself, and I even said that no-one should save me, because that would confirm syllo as scum. It is not in my power to control the powers of others. His reasoning for all of his PoPs are very poor so far. But he claims they are all legitly for the good of town. cascades wrote: I am saying he had some magical way to ignore it, because he sure as hell wasn't concerned about it despite us reminding him. This one is beyond hilarious. I would like to know that magical way to ignore it too. Care to enlighten me? If anything, his ending of the post with "GG scum", should be more than obvious and he should be killed. bluelightz is just horrible. Whatever his alignment is, he isn't being useful to town at all. Mattchew's backup for his "town-ness", is that he started, or contributed to a plan, and then immediately proceed to lurking. risk.nuke really needs to contribute more. layabout... his future thingy doesn't make any sense to me, and he hasn't been particularly helpful so far.. please step up your play if you want us to believe you are town. If I had a gun, I would shoot cascades, Mattchew, and prplhz in that order. (Syllo should be more than clear to everyone by now and should be able to get killed by PoPs). I am going to check the PoP count to see if syllo should already be at or over the edge, and depending on the result I'll use my push on syllogism or save it for the moment. I am also going to make sure I can PoP, if I understood the PM right, I should still be able to PoP others myself even if I am nullified. | ||
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However, it is possible that he has either copied an ability that enables him to move (Like VE's horsie), or one that makes PoP's less effective on him (Fat Boy Toy from DF1?), or he has gained the teleportation device, or he has been pulled back by the hidden PoP by scum. I would personally like to push syllo just to try and ensure his death. | ||
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On April 06 2012 05:16 Snarfs wrote: You mentioned Bluelightz, but he's not on your list. Just curious where he would fall or why he was excluded. Because those three + syllo are the reads I am most certain of. If I had a gun now, I would not shoot Blue, but I'd shoot one of those three instead. In the situation that all the above four persons were dead, then I could very likely shoot Blue. On April 06 2012 05:18 cascades wrote: I don't know. You were the one that proposed the plan, not me. And now burden of proof is upon me? Nice try. So you didn't have way to get out of incineration? You hoping to waste town pulls and powers? You waste pops, propose shit plan and get away with it good job. You claim to sacrifice yourself? Why is there a need for you to be pushed in the first place so that you sacrifice? And your "sacrifice" is pointless drama. What's wrong with the above paragraph? I just switched the names around. Any scum can make same post. If his quest fails we would be leaving him out to rot because he was confident his quest would succeed. And Ceph is acting like this makes him town. Oh wait, town cred is all he was looking for when he was making this post. And you guys fell for it like how Derek Jeter falls for hookers. I said scum can use nullification again if refresher orb is found, which is true. Good job putting words in my mouth. Is that the best argument you can come up with? Sad that you haven't put together ONE coherent argument and people are like, hey, its Ceph, I am going to blindly follow because I am retarded and think syllo being scum = Ceph being "confirmed" town. Keep dodging my arguments scum, I am onto you. It's really sad how the town doesn't hold ppl accountable for their actions. Keep thinking people are town because they attack others like rabid dog. You are the one claiming that I have a magic power that avoids/disables nullification, I never claimed that. Why do you keep making straight out lies? Also, pathetic attempt at fishing my role. Keep guessing whether my ability would have saved me or not along with killing scum. The plan was not about me sacrificing, but in the worst-case scenario, I would have been fine with not being saved, and died to confirm syllo as scum. Why do try and keep twisting what I've said? If I was scum, can you tell me why I would have been ready to die if things went wrong? I have at no point needed to act town, I am town. I have also at no point gone around screaming "LOOK, I GOT NULLIFIED, I AM CONFIRMED TOWN!!!", you are once again just trying to make false claims about me. Are you pissed off that town is smart enough to understand that it is close to impossible that I am scum? Your babble about the refresher orb is useless. I have at no point mislead town about it, nor have I put words into your mouth about it, so stop with all the lies already, you're just making yourself look worse for every lie you make. You're onto scum? Sure, kill yourself (in-game), and then I'll admit that you're right. For now, you're just doing pathetic attempts at trying to make me look scum and divert town attention from finding more scum now that we've pretty much confirmed syllo. On April 06 2012 05:20 cascades wrote: If you guys don't read my posts just tell me and I will stop bothering. Not once have Ceph nor Tobon addressed my claims or my defence. They just dodge and keep yelling "scum" over and over. That shit isn't going to stop me from pressing them on how that plan failed so bad. There is no point in reading your posts in all honesty, as all you do is tunnel me with a load of bullshit. Whereas on the other hand I am constantly trying to give others my reads of anyone else I find scummy as well, but all you do is concentrate on trying to convince everyone that I am scum. If you don't even realize it yourself, you're even worse scum than I thought. | ||
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So I'll go with mattchew. (I will pull for bluelightz if that's what the majority wants, but as I said earlier, cascades+prplhz+Mattchew should be dealt with.) | ||
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On April 06 2012 05:47 BALD wrote: Rather amusing I'd say, but it's all a bit overwhelming for me! Please refrain from posting in an on-going game, if you want to comment as a spectator, ask the moderator of the game for an observer quicktopic. | ||
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On April 06 2012 06:02 layabout wrote: Cephiro this nonsense about cascades need to stop. If you think he is scum then please stop arguing with him. Consolidate your points and present them in a case. Nonsense? I just can't understand how others don't see how obvious scum he is, but fine. The thing is, I may very well be dead before I finish a proper case on him if that's what you request, as I am soon about go asleep and I didn't plan on waking up before 7 AM. But if you require a proper separated case, then fine, I'll make one, anything that it takes to get scum killed. | ||
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On April 06 2012 06:19 Acrofales wrote: Ok, I guess that settles it. We still have the following pulls: Mr.Wiggles Dirkzor Mattchew Cephiro (you can still pop right?) Tobon syllogism (don't think we can count on his pops) Acrofales This should be enough to pull bluelightz off the edge, barring very weird shit happening. I _should_ be able to PoP. I am waiting for confirmation. If I do not get confirmation in time, I will type the commands anyway and hope for the best. As long as I'm around I'll try to keep doing useful stuff and respond to questions, however I can't promise that I will have a "proper case" which layabout asks for on cascades before the night. + Show Spoiler + I haven't heard of Radfield that is the main host of NMM VI, so I must stay up 2,5 more hours unless he turns up. T_T I am so going to fall asleep... | ||
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On April 06 2012 01:47 layabout wrote: ##pull Bluelightz ##push Mattchew Terrific find Acrofales, nice. Layabout, you're in for some explaining. You claimed multiple times that you cannot PoP, but now you seem to have done it regardless? Or are you just going to claim they are fakes / won't work, if so, why would you do it? I guess we'll have to wait for the updated PoP-count to verify if they worked or not, but after all your claims of not being able to PoP, what is this? | ||
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On April 06 2012 06:45 layabout wrote: You ask me to post PoP's to prove that i couldn't PoP. I post PoP's to prove that i couldn't PoP. =>I am suspicious. I know the first one was legitly just proving since I asked for it myself, but the latter one confused me. | ||
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On April 06 2012 06:55 layabout wrote: I know the first one was legitly just proving since I asked for it myself, but the latter one confused me. You claimed to have been nullified. I thought i better post again just in case it would not have counted anyway. Plus it should show that i can't do either.[/QUOTE] I see. Please clarify the next time in a similar situation so we don't waste time over stupid misunderstandings. ^^ | ||
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On April 06 2012 06:55 layabout wrote: You claimed to have been nullified. I thought i better post again just in case it would not have counted anyway. Plus it should show that i can't do either. I see. Please clarify the next time in a similar situation so we don't waste time over stupid misunderstandings. ^^ EBWOP: Repost fixing the quotes, I am clearly getting too tired. T_T | ||
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##pull Bluelightz I don't think it was a scumslip, but a mere conditional of the point that no-one is confirmed. Some players write every post of theirs from the perspective that their alignment is questionable, and some write them as their alignment is town. | ||
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This will end up cascades at 17, and mattchew+prplhz at 16. (And can be pushed further easily if needed.) I will post cases on these players later (as I do not have the time to do it currently.) Also, night-kill FML. :/ | ||
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##push Mattchew Add up the pieces and you'll figure that Mattchew is scum, and throwed VisceraEyes into the flames the first day (VE moved at least 2 spots, and no scum would have a double hidden PoP, his throw ability explains it perfectly.) Also I want cascades dead. Syllo+Mattchew+cascades confirmed scum to me, I will read more tomorrow morning with cases on each. For now you're just best off killing those three as they're all scum. | ||
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(Done after my warp) | ||
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Told you I'm tired. Pull done after I swapped places with him. Will explain stuff tomorrow morning (+7-9 hours ish) | ||
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I definitely enjoyed the game even though it turned out like this, I swear at some points I was banging my head in the wall and asking myself "Why the f*** don't these guys just get it??", but I learned many things myself as well. I'd like to think I started the game well, and played good especially considering my "newbie" status. @ Acrofales: I'll respond to you when I put in a more detailed post later. A few things I realized I need to work on: Even if I am absolutely sure that someone is scum, there is still a possibility I am wrong, and I need to even more objectively be able to re-evaluate my stance if needed. Also, just because I am sure of someone being scum is not enough reason for others, but you need a proper case and basis, and remember that they may not know everything you do. About my role: I really liked the role of the Warp Prism Toy, even though the limitations made it's use somewhat hard. I guess my D2 plan is quite clear to everyone by this point. I wanted to go for the item to gain a possible bonus for the town and then swap places to send a scum in the fire (and continue by pushing him over the edge with my own push if I got to the highest spot.) Nullifier seemed like a very strong power to me so I figured it probably has to be limited somehow, but considering my own role I knew that our vig-like roles would be more important than me, so even the worst-case scenario wouldn't have been that bad. I on purpose tried to look overconfident and make the scum scared of my ability, so that they would at least use the nullify on me if nothing else (so that our vig roles could work in all peace), and it worked. I knew Tobon was the De Ja Vu Toy and I tried to tell him to save it for later for a worse scenario, but I doubt it would have saved the whole game for us later either. What I don't get is how easily townies just wanted to get rid of Bluelightz when there was clear scum all over the place which should have been dealt with first, and later on when irl issues came up (I am truly sorry for my lategame inactivity, and I really wish to play again in a future Death Factory setup), I simply didn't have the time to start convincing town all over again. And jadda jadda jadda... I'll get more in-detail later, feel free to shoot me questions or tell opinions about my play. GG scum, and thank you for a great game everyone. Special thanks to the hosts for this game, my literal feeling as the first two days progressed would be best described by that internet-meme guy which has a rainbow drooling out of his mouth. I just felt this is getting more and more awesome by every moment!PS: One thing that would be awesome in the future if possible would be a real-time bot to update the situation, as there are certain things that can be done with coordination but are heavily time/situation dependant and require the knowledge of the current situation (such as reaching the item etc.) | ||
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Syllo+cascades were red for me quite early, I was suspicious of Nemesis but as I had more on my hands at that point and was too focused on trying to figure if mattchew / prplhz could somehow be town. (I even stubbornly thought a bit later on that prplhz was just scum that upped his play to very townie-like after getting caught, but if I had spent even more time reading his filter objectively I would've probably realized the real situation). I'll talk more about acrofales (and others) when I respond to him and talk more in-detail later. | ||
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On April 10 2012 23:59 syllogism wrote: It's not very difficult to suspect someone when there is, to you, a red check on him. I still maintain that most of your actually case against me was made up I was suspicious you very early, but nothing to be sure of. After the red light, and sbrubbles reactions after his lurking, it was clear to me that you were the scum out of two. | ||
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On April 11 2012 00:16 syllogism wrote: And your "confidence" had nothing to do with you getting nullified, but rather the fact that you open claimed your role and intentions Yes, I read the scum QT, and with all the things I said it was quite obvious I was the WP Toy. Why so hostile though? I see that in the scum QT even you had your doubts, so yeah... | ||
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