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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
Also layabout, pushing someone to the first lethal spot is not that likely to ensure a kill imo.., and remember that if Palmar decides to reverse the queue, then things will change around quite a bit. Snarfs brings up a good point, it could be smart to wait for risk's claim before using more actions, just in case. As Tobon already managed to somewhat waste his push for example. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
if he used it the other way, it would be a false positive, as there is only 1 person on the rung above him, and syllogism wouldn't count (he's to the right, and therefore counts upwards, i believe) | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
##Pull Palmar Whoever does the last pull needs to make sure that they make it clear that they're going to pull well before they make the pull so that we don't risk two people pulling at the same time and "accidentally" killing Palmar. Ideally we have two people, one who can pull and one who can push for safety. Also, refresh the actions in a new window before pulling. No excusing any "accidents" here. Also, with risk claiming it isn't his ability, it's quite frustrating to see that Tobon wasted his push as well (though by chance it did verify some weird behaviour around Acro/Nemesis). This is the kind of PoP that I was trying to set a precedent for punishing by pushing cascades. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
It seems to me that certain suggestions are going through way too easily. >_> Also, I will threaten to push Palmar over the edge if someone pushes him to the item. I do not trust him at all currently, and if he doesn't even bother responding to me, I'm fine by killing him. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Current positions - Day 1 + Show Spoiler + 24.[Item] [___________] 23.[Palmar] [___________] 22.[___________] [___________] 21.[___________] [___________] 20.[___________][___________] 19.[___________] [___________] 18.[___________] [___________] 17.[Mr.Wiggles] [cascades] 16.[Nemesis][Dirkzor] 15. [___________] [Mr.Zentor] 14.[VisceraEyes] [Bill Murray] 13.[Snarfs][Tobon] 12.[wherebugsgo][prplhz] 11. [Acrofales][layabout] 10.[Mattchew][Bluelightz] 9. [___________][___________] 8. [Sbrubbles][___________] 7. [risk.nuke][syllogism] 6. [Cephiro][___________] 5. [___________][___________] 4. [___________][___________] 3. [___________] [___________] 2. [___________] [___________] 1. [___________] [___________] PoPs - Day 1 + Show Spoiler + Mr.Wiggles Bluelightz Push Dirkzor VisceraEyes Pull Palmar Push Bluelightz risk.nuke Sbrubbles Dirkzor Mattchew Pull Palmar Snarfs Push cascades Pull Palmar Cephiro Tobon Push layabout wherebugsgo Push Bluelightz layabout syllogism Mr.Zentor prplhz Acrofales Bill Murray Pull Palmar cascadesPull Palmar Palmar Nemesis Push Tobon | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 03 2012 02:56 Cephiro wrote: Sigh. What is it with you people being so insanely obsessed with Palmar getting that item? Are you just living in a fairytale where everything that happens is the best case scenario, Palmar is innocent as a bird, gets a dayvig item, shoots a scum and everyone is happy? It seems to me that certain suggestions are going through way too easily. >_> Also, I will threaten to push Palmar over the edge if someone pushes him to the item. I do not trust him at all currently, and if he doesn't even bother responding to me, I'm fine by killing him. We need to resolve something. I think Palmar could have reasons both as town and scum for hiding whether his ability is one-shot or not. I agree with what VE was saying about being able to judge Palmar's use of any item as pro-town or not. He is held to a certain standard that basically says if you misuse whatever item you get, you're scum. He knows this too. One thing we do need to know though, is if Palmar is going to use his ability today. We can't wait until 3-4 hours before deadline to know because people need to start getting who they believe are scum into position to burn. If he is going to use his ability we've already wasted a few pushes on Blue/cascades. It'd be nice not to waste anymore. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
just sayin' | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On April 03 2012 03:08 Snarfs wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2012 02:56 Cephiro wrote: Sigh. What is it with you people being so insanely obsessed with Palmar getting that item? Are you just living in a fairytale where everything that happens is the best case scenario, Palmar is innocent as a bird, gets a dayvig item, shoots a scum and everyone is happy? It seems to me that certain suggestions are going through way too easily. >_> Also, I will threaten to push Palmar over the edge if someone pushes him to the item. I do not trust him at all currently, and if he doesn't even bother responding to me, I'm fine by killing him. We need to resolve something. I think Palmar could have reasons both as town and scum for hiding whether his ability is one-shot or not. I agree with what VE was saying about being able to judge Palmar's use of any item as pro-town or not. He is held to a certain standard that basically says if you misuse whatever item you get, you're scum. He knows this too. One thing we do need to know though, is if Palmar is going to use his ability today. We can't wait until 3-4 hours before deadline to know because people need to start getting who they believe are scum into position to burn. If he is going to use his ability we've already wasted a few pushes on Blue/cascades. It'd be nice not to waste anymore. Sure, he might have a reason as either alignment to hide that information. But why can't he admit that he doesn't want to then? He's clearly avoiding contact with other players to his best extent. I know that we are able to judge stuff depending on how he decides to use the item if he gets it, but there are certain possibilities that could be easy to fake as well. His play so far has been "Let me get the item" "Random person is town for no reason", and "Lets kill person X". He is certainly not pro-town in my eyes, and for now I will stand by my word. If someone pushes him to the item, I will try to get him over the edge and thus kill him. I do agree that too many persons already have been wasting their PoPs, and the remaining ones should be used carefully. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On April 03 2012 03:13 Bill Murray wrote: If Palmar uses his ability, I'm pushing Cephiro just sayin' You go ahead and do that, if you want to get the town in an even worse position. Just sayin'. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 03 2012 03:14 Cephiro wrote: His play so far has been "Let me get the item" "Random person is town for no reason", and "Lets kill person X". Just seems like Palmar being Palmar to me. Someone with more experience might correct me though as I'm still new here. | ||
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
On April 03 2012 02:46 risk.nuke wrote: sorry, the red light is not my abillity. Interesting how some people immidiatly choose to distract the discussion from the lynch candidates. Anyone else want to claim the red light? If you aren't the cop toy, risk.nuke, then please contribute. You're doing an awful lot of lurking. I admit, I'm tempted to pull you, just to see if you are telling the truth or not. If you have a cop-light-like power, the light would go out if you get PoPed, and you'd have some explaining to do here. But I was over-eager with my push, so I'll wait for now. | ||
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
On April 03 2012 03:16 Cephiro wrote: You go ahead and do that, if you want to get the town in an even worse position. Just sayin'. If the queue is flipped, then a push moves you further away from the fire zone. I thought that was an expression of support from BM, not a threat... BM seems somewhat confused though, so who knows. :-) | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On April 03 2012 03:24 Tobon wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2012 03:16 Cephiro wrote: You go ahead and do that, if you want to get the town in an even worse position. Just sayin'. If the queue is flipped, then a push moves you further away from the fire zone. I thought that was an expression of support from BM, not a threat... BM seems somewhat confused though, so who knows. :-) Oh wait, you are right. I just checked how the reversing mechanic worked in the last game. I misunderstood the mechanic of the queue flip. My apologies for my hostile tone if that's what you meant BM. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Palmar is too close to the item to back out now. Since nobody has said they are pushing him because they want him to die, pushing him over the edge would simply be you deciding to act against the towns wishes. If Palmar were to flip town do you think that we would let you live after pushing him? Besides the longer we leave Palmar in the incineration zone the longer we do not know whether he will decide to flip or not (if he does have that ability), and the longer we do not know where to push our lynch candidate. I think we should be lynching Nemesis. Why kill Wiggles? | ||
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