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Hmm.. seems egoistic to propose that people push (or pull in your case Palmar) to just reverse the queue. How about the pushes used already on BL or whoever else people find scummy. They would be rendered useless.
Furthermore you could just have shared this information earlier and people could agree to just use the 6 pulls give you the item and then you could reverse it.
I still think the item is irrelevant to the scumhunting we have to do. I don't like the way Palmar have behaved so far. So I say keep him where he is and let him die (or let him use his power). Don't push him towards the item at least.
Tobon just assumed your role was the same as the role from DFM1 (stupidly I might add), That role was also a scum role but there is no way to know if its the same this game. The mechanic of the role isn't scummy in it self so it could be a town role this game.
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@wherebugsgo l4wl
@Palmar It's quite cool that you have that ability but you can't seriously have been thinking of using it without informing town first? People have started to push people toward the red zone and all that work would be undone if you just flip the queue.
Why do you want to kill someone for bads? That seems like a rather poor reason when we're supposed to kill people for scum. Is there anybody you want to kill for scum?
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@prplhz: not sure that last question is directed at me, but I'll answer anyway. In my, very limited, experience, bad town play is good for scum. It is therefore very easy for scum to masquerade as a bad townie. In D1 it is unlikely we'll get much certain scum reads, so lynching lurkers and/or bads is a statistically good way of hitting scum (assuming we don't have better suspects).
To clarify, with bad play I particularly mean: untrustworthy roleclaims, preposterous plans based on unwarranted assumptions and lynch cases that make no logical sense at all.
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I prefer to hit bads at this point because I think the bad is currently not just bad, but actually working towards a scum agenda.
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I was indeed hoping for people to follow the policy. Makes things easier to read instead of having to compare queues. As you can see by the confused posts after me, people no understand.
By my rolecheck, I established that palmar should be mirror toy . I didn't mention it, but by extension, he must have additional powers, else he be just a gimmicky VT. The fact that he hasn't said anything despite being pushed closer and closer indicates he is either afk or has confidence in his power.
I can't say the same of the fence sitters though. I am not going to repeat what people say to make you guys happy. Search more thoroughly instead of pressing "filter" and you will see parroting at work.
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On April 02 2012 18:48 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar It's quite cool that you have that ability but you can't seriously have been thinking of using it without informing town first? People have started to push people toward the red zone and all that work would be undone if you just flip the queue.
Why do you want to kill someone for bads? That seems like a rather poor reason when we're supposed to kill people for scum. Is there anybody you want to kill for scum?
I do whatever I feel like without asking anyone in particular.
I'm not sure who I want to kill for scum right now.
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On April 02 2012 20:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 18:48 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar It's quite cool that you have that ability but you can't seriously have been thinking of using it without informing town first? People have started to push people toward the red zone and all that work would be undone if you just flip the queue.
Why do you want to kill someone for bads? That seems like a rather poor reason when we're supposed to kill people for scum. Is there anybody you want to kill for scum? I do whatever I feel like without asking anyone in particular. I'm not sure who I want to kill for scum right now.
Push Bluelightz. It's great fun.
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On April 02 2012 20:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 18:48 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar It's quite cool that you have that ability but you can't seriously have been thinking of using it without informing town first? People have started to push people toward the red zone and all that work would be undone if you just flip the queue.
Why do you want to kill someone for bads? That seems like a rather poor reason when we're supposed to kill people for scum. Is there anybody you want to kill for scum? I do whatever I feel like without asking anyone in particular. I'm not sure who I want to kill for scum right now.
At least you're contributing to the hunt for scum though, AMIRITE?
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Unless risk + sbrubbles show up, I actually like Tobon's idea a lot. (Pulling them to the first 4 spots, then having Palmar reverse the queue).
On the other hand, I'm not convinced at all that Palmar would be playing with a town motive in mind. He claims cascades is town, with absolutely no arguments for it. He also reacts surprisingly when he heard that Tobon had correctly assumed his other ability, even though it was based on last game. What's important here is Palmar's reaction. He's very keen on getting to know right away that how someone found it out, which doesn't ring any good bells with me.
As for the moment, I am still saving my PoP's for later. I'm still not in favour of Palmar getting the item. I am somewhat okay with the bluelightz pushes for the moment, but I'll wait and see how things go on until I decide my own action. I also would like the veterans pay more attention to the newer players instead of constantly trying to metagame each other. How about just actually trying to win the game by playing it instead of going for metaguessing?
@ Palmar: Care to confirm that your ability is one-time use only?
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Hey guys stop obsessing about risk.nuke and Sbrubbles: neither of them have made any posts yet so they are going to get modkilled or replaced. The only thing you can say for certain about them is that they're not here but that doesn't make them scum. It's a problem that will solve itself, either they post or they get modkilled. In either case, any plan for lynching them now is pretty stupid and is probably something scum would like.
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I'm okey with killing layabout or bluelights.
I'm using my abillity today and can't PoP.
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Im all down with killing BL and palmar.
Neither of them care.
So keep palmer where he is and pull BL to the buttom.
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Risk: Care to explain why you are using your ability and what it does?
For a first post more then 24h into the game I would have expected more...
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On April 02 2012 13:52 Tobon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 12:01 Nemesis wrote:
Time to actually give out my scumreads so far:
Right now I'm looking at Tobon.
First thing he does is proposing the secondary voting system. While that by itself is not really scummy even though I disagree with it, his next posts I find are rather bad.
Already explained that I wasn't suggesting it, I was bringing it up to start discussion. In the same sentence that I "proposed" it, I also said that it failed to go anywhere. Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 12:01 Nemesis wrote:On April 01 2012 23:45 Tobon wrote:On April 01 2012 19:50 Palmar wrote:
just remember to reverse your action because apparently I'm some weird toy that gets pulled when pushed, and pushed while pulled. Nothing is for sure here, but in DFM1, this was the power of the evil Mirror Toy, who could also reverse ends of the entire queue once per game. So (a) be aware that the queue flipping power probably exists, and also (b) I'd be a a bit suspicious of Palmar, although I doubt Ace would make it so easy for us by repeating scum roles. Note how he takes an extremely neutral stance here. He finds Palmar suspicious for his role which is similar to a role in the previous game, but then he adds that it is unlikely that Ace would give scum the same roles. This sounds to me like a scum trying to put suspicion onto someone while avoiding responsibility for it. Just overly wordy on my part. The important point is that Palmar very likely has the entire queue flip once-per-game power. Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 12:01 Nemesis wrote:On April 02 2012 02:54 Tobon wrote:
So cascade's pull happened. Palmar's role is confirmed, although his alignment is still unknown. Again he stresses how we don't know Palmar's alignment. Yeah, so? I'd shrug and chalk this up to pressure except for the push. The push was completely wasteful. There's no feeling I've noticed on anyone else's part that I might be scum, so why would you throw away your push with more than 24 hours to go? Shouldn't you be trying to build a case or convince other people, while seeing what other people do as well, and then use your PoPs more productively nearer the deadline? As it is, this really comes across as an excuse to use up your push so you won't be responsible for going against majority town's choice when it comes. FoS: Nemesis.
Nice dodging bro. My point is you kept stressing that he could possibly be scum without outright mentioning it. It means that you were avoiding responsibility for putting suspicion on him. If you only meant to say that Palmar has another ability, why add this part? (b) I'd be a a bit suspicious of Palmar, although I doubt Ace would make it so easy for us by repeating scum roles.
Also a nice OMGUS there too. With how he reacted, I think we may have caught scum here. Why am I pushing you? Because I think you are scum.
GOGOGO Let's lynch Tobon, let's lynch scum.
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TT Just got internet acces nao, internet didn't get fixed tooTT I'm gonna post my reads after I catch up TT
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Also notice how Tobon proposed to just leave Palmar in the red zone and kill Palmar without caring about him. He is trying to put suspicion into Palmar without outright saying it.
Bluelightz, I'm fine with killing if he keeps lurking, but I think a better target right now is Tobon.
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On April 02 2012 22:33 Dirkzor wrote:
Risk: Care to explain why you are using your ability and what it does?
sorry, it's in towns best interest that I don't.
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On April 02 2012 22:27 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm okey with killing layabout or bluelights.
I'm using my abillity today and can't PoP.
I am fairly sure I know your ability. Could you tell me if it will work on your spot as well?
I suggest you don't reveal at what point you decide to activate it.
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Fuck this, you guys see my name? Yeah I am.( For those of you who don't understand I am bluelightz.
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I read through the thread. I can't make any big posts right now because I'm off to school, but if there's anything specific you still want to ask me, shoot.
All the claims coming out are silly. Half of you aren't even under a ton of pressure, and that makes your claims even more nonsensical. Looking at you, Palmar and risk.nuke. Palmar claimed because someone guessed his role. risk.nuke claimed... just because, from what I can see.
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