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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 02 2012 04:14 GMT
#281
On April 02 2012 13:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
So Bugs is confirmed scum, maybe Wiggles.

Anyone wanna check my math?


rofl what
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 02 2012 04:16 GMT
#282
yeah, what, VE?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 02 2012 04:16 GMT
#283
I feel like I'm going in circles this game
at least I have provided WBG with a townread on VE and snarfs, because I know he believes me
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
April 02 2012 04:21 GMT
#284
I don't know man, you're being all like careful and diplomatic and shit. Being reasonable is a scumtell with you Bugs. You haven't called me or Palmar scum or retarded once yet. And to top it off, you mistakenly "thought" that it takes 15 pushes to lynch Blue.

Something's going on with you, I'm just sayin. I'M JUST SAYING GUY
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
April 02 2012 04:22 GMT
#285
And the fact that Wiggles didn't correct you makes me think that he's scum with you. It's a hunch. A HUNCH SIR
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
April 02 2012 04:30 GMT
#286
Hold on a second.

##Push: Bluelightz
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 02 2012 04:36 GMT
#287
Current positions - Day 1
+ Show Spoiler +

24.[Item] [___________]
23.[___________] [___________]
22.[Palmar] [___________]
21.[___________] [___________]

20.[___________][___________]
19.[___________] [___________]
18.[___________] [___________]
17.[Mr.Wiggles] [___________]
16.[cascades] [Nemesis]
15. [Dirkzor] [Mr.Zentor]
14.[VisceraEyes] [Bill Murray]
13.[Snarfs][Tobon]
12.[wherebugsgo][prplhz]
11. [Acrofales][___________]
10.[Mattchew][___________]
9. [layabout][Bluelightz]
8. [Sbrubbles][___________]
7. [risk.nuke][syllogism]
6. [Cephiro][___________]
5. [___________][___________]
4. [___________][___________]
3. [___________] [___________]
2. [___________] [___________]
1. [___________] [___________]


PoPs - Day 1
+ Show Spoiler +


Mr.Wiggles
Bluelightz
VisceraEyes Pull Palmar Push Bluelightz
risk.nuke
Sbrubbles
Dirkzor
Mattchew Pull Palmar
Snarfs
Cephiro
Tobon
wherebugsgo
layabout
syllogism
Mr.Zentor
prplhz
Acrofales
Bill Murray Pull Palmar
cascadesPull Palmar
Palmar
Nemesis Push Tobon



Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 02 2012 04:39 GMT
#288
On April 02 2012 13:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't know man, you're being all like careful and diplomatic and shit. Being reasonable is a scumtell with you Bugs. You haven't called me or Palmar scum or retarded once yet. And to top it off, you mistakenly "thought" that it takes 15 pushes to lynch Blue.

Something's going on with you, I'm just sayin. I'M JUST SAYING GUY


lol.

figures.

I didn't mistakenly think it takes 15 to kill Bluelightz; I thought it took at least 13 (21-8 = 13) but that was because I forgot about the stack mechanic thingy.

As for "being reasonable = scum" I'm not even going to bother arguing that, because my demeanor has nothing to do with my alignment. My agenda is the only thing that reflects my alignment.

I'm going to finalize my push since I go back to school tomorrow.

##push Bluelightz

Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
April 02 2012 04:52 GMT
#289
On April 02 2012 12:01 Nemesis wrote:
Time to actually give out my scumreads so far:
Right now I'm looking at Tobon.

First thing he does is proposing the secondary voting system. While that by itself is not really scummy even though I disagree with it, his next posts I find are rather bad.

Already explained that I wasn't suggesting it, I was bringing it up to start discussion. In the same sentence that I "proposed" it, I also said that it failed to go anywhere.

On April 02 2012 12:01 Nemesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 23:45 Tobon wrote:
On April 01 2012 19:50 Palmar wrote:
just remember to reverse your action because apparently I'm some weird toy that gets pulled when pushed, and pushed while pulled.


Nothing is for sure here, but in DFM1, this was the power of the evil Mirror Toy, who could also reverse ends of the entire queue once per game. So (a) be aware that the queue flipping power probably exists, and also (b) I'd be a a bit suspicious of Palmar, although I doubt Ace would make it so easy for us by repeating scum roles.

Note how he takes an extremely neutral stance here. He finds Palmar suspicious for his role which is similar to a role in the previous game, but then he adds that it is unlikely that Ace would give scum the same roles. This sounds to me like a scum trying to put suspicion onto someone while avoiding responsibility for it.

Just overly wordy on my part. The important point is that Palmar very likely has the entire queue flip once-per-game power.

On April 02 2012 12:01 Nemesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 02:54 Tobon wrote:
So cascade's pull happened. Palmar's role is confirmed, although his alignment is still unknown.

Again he stresses how we don't know Palmar's alignment.

Yeah, so?

I'd shrug and chalk this up to pressure except for the push. The push was completely wasteful. There's no feeling I've noticed on anyone else's part that I might be scum, so why would you throw away your push with more than 24 hours to go? Shouldn't you be trying to build a case or convince other people, while seeing what other people do as well, and then use your PoPs more productively nearer the deadline?

As it is, this really comes across as an excuse to use up your push so you won't be responsible for going against majority town's choice when it comes.

FoS: Nemesis.

VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
April 02 2012 04:55 GMT
#290
I mean, it's just a feeling. I like a Bluelightz lynch obviously, and this flip won't tell me anything about your alignment. I don't expect you to respond or anything because it's not even a case - I'm just saying. Prove me wrong guy.

Wiggles, I don't know what you're doing, but your one piece of advice from last game was "let's make a conscious effort to not wind people up this game" and you seem to be attempting to wind me up. It's contradictory man, and I don't like it.

And to all you lurkers out there...
+ Show Spoiler [I got somethin for ya] +
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if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
April 02 2012 04:59 GMT
#291
On April 02 2012 13:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 12:25 Tobon wrote:
Hey! I've been off at Emerald City Comic-Con for the day, will read through and respond more in a bit. Thought I'd point out, though, that Nemesis's push of me didn't have the effect you'd expect. I skipped by spot 11. Which maybe makes Acrofales the double-wide big toy?

Or Nemisis is a super-strong double-pushing toy. Very interesting. VERY.

Seems unlikely, scum or town, wouldn't Nemesis have mentioned what was about to happen when it's his own action doing it?

Anyway, @VE: did you expect something interesting to happen with your "Hold on a second." push of Bluelightz, or are you that sure of your scum vote already? You and Bugs using up PoPs so early in the day bothers me, although at least there's been discussion on the target of them.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 02 2012 05:05 GMT
#292
Current positions - Day 1
+ Show Spoiler +

24.[Item] [___________]
23.[___________] [___________]
22.[Palmar] [___________]
21.[___________] [___________]

20.[___________][___________]
19.[___________] [___________]
18.[___________] [___________]
17.[Mr.Wiggles] [___________]
16.[cascades] [Nemesis]
15. [Dirkzor] [Mr.Zentor]
14.[VisceraEyes] [Bill Murray]
13.[Snarfs][Tobon]
12.[wherebugsgo][prplhz]
11. [Acrofales][___________]
10.[Mattchew][Bluelightz]
9. [layabout][___________]
8. [Sbrubbles][___________]
7. [risk.nuke][syllogism]
6. [Cephiro][___________]
5. [___________][___________]
4. [___________][___________]
3. [___________] [___________]
2. [___________] [___________]
1. [___________] [___________]


PoPs - Day 1
+ Show Spoiler +


Mr.Wiggles
Bluelightz
VisceraEyes Pull Palmar Push Bluelightz
risk.nuke
Sbrubbles
Dirkzor
Mattchew Pull Palmar
Snarfs
Cephiro
Tobon
wherebugsgo Push Bluelightz
layabout
syllogism
Mr.Zentor
prplhz
Acrofales
Bill Murray Pull Palmar
cascadesPull Palmar
Palmar
Nemesis Push Tobon



Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
April 02 2012 05:08 GMT
#293
Well, I expect Bugs to be a good enough player to know how the voting works...earlier when we were discussing Blue I just kinda assumed he was right when he counted the pushes we required but when I realized that we only need 8 to put him in the incineration zone, it made me wonder what the oversight was on Bugs' part. I pushed Blue early because A) while there's been some discussion about it, no one has stepped up to the plate and actually pushed the guy, and B) because I wanted to see if Bugs knew something I didn't about the number of votes it's going to take to get Blue into the zone.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 02 2012 05:14 GMT
#294
Home now, just got caught up reading the thread.

Probably only going to post this once then head to bed so I'm not too exhausted for work tomorrow. Really interesting for me to see people pushing and pulling without giving reasons and getting away with it I.E. cascades. Pulling Palmar "as a rolecheck" and in doing so acting against his own wishes that people not use their PoPs lightly? Hopefully I'm not the only one who sees how terrible it would be for town to let people get away with this. Laying down my push here as I think this is the most scummy thing that's happened in this game so far and I want to size up reactions.

##Push cascades

I'm also slightly suspicious of Bill Murray's claim, if both he and VE are mafia it would be a decent way to "confirm" both of them as town, using me as a pawn; or if BM is scum just trying to gain some cred. Sort of WIFOM though so I will just add that BM claiming that he'd die to verify mine and VE's alignment makes me want to say that they are most likely both town as well, but again, nothing is confirmed.

The math mistake by wbg does not make him scum . On the other hand, his pointing out that a town Palmar could very well be pushed off the edge by scum seems like quite a towny thing to bring up. Wbg and VE agreeing that Bluelightz is scum, I see as a good thing, especially since they both seem town (not a contradiction to my last paragraph, read closer), we may have found 2 scum already on day 1. Now though, I think that we should push cascades into the incinerator as he's closer and he's just as scummy as Bluelightz.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 02 2012 05:18 GMT
#295
On April 02 2012 14:14 Snarfs wrote:
Home now, just got caught up reading the thread.

Probably only going to post this once then head to bed so I'm not too exhausted for work tomorrow. Really interesting for me to see people pushing and pulling without giving reasons and getting away with it I.E. cascades. Pulling Palmar "as a rolecheck" and in doing so acting against his own wishes that people not use their PoPs lightly? Hopefully I'm not the only one who sees how terrible it would be for town to let people get away with this. Laying down my push here as I think this is the most scummy thing that's happened in this game so far and I want to size up reactions.

##Push cascades

I'm also slightly suspicious of Bill Murray's claim, if both he and VE are mafia it would be a decent way to "confirm" both of them as town, using me as a pawn; or if BM is scum just trying to gain some cred. Sort of WIFOM though so I will just add that BM claiming that he'd die to verify mine and VE's alignment makes me want to say that they are most likely both town as well, but again, nothing is confirmed.

The math mistake by wbg does not make him scum . On the other hand, his pointing out that a town Palmar could very well be pushed off the edge by scum seems like quite a towny thing to bring up. Wbg and VE agreeing that Bluelightz is scum, I see as a good thing, especially since they both seem town (not a contradiction to my last paragraph, read closer), we may have found 2 scum already on day 1. Now though, I think that we should push cascades into the incinerator as he's closer and he's just as scummy as Bluelightz.


if you thought Bluelightz is scum,why the hell would you waste your push on cascades?

I'm just wtfing and this logic right now
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 02 2012 05:21 GMT
#296
if you thought Bluelightz is scum,why the hell would you waste your push on cascades?

I'm just wtfing and this logic right now

I said he's just as scummy and he's closer to the incinerator.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 02 2012 05:21 GMT
#297
How is using a pull as a rolecheck wasteful? Pulls can generally only be used to "save" someone, which isn't particularly towny as especially early on that means using your power against the wishes of the majority. Furthermore, since then people have been pulling palmar towards the item quite "lightly"; are they too suspicious?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 02 2012 05:22 GMT
#298
On April 02 2012 14:21 syllogism wrote:
How is using a pull as a rolecheck wasteful? Pulls can generally only be used to "save" someone, which isn't particularly towny as especially early on that means using your power against the wishes of the majority. Furthermore, since then people have been pulling palmar towards the item quite "lightly"; are they too suspicious?


syllo, would you kill Bluelightz right now?

Who are you going to push?
Tobon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States372 Posts
April 02 2012 05:23 GMT
#299
BTW, at present I agree with VE's read and I'm fine with pushing Blue into the fire. I'd also be fine at this point with burning our lurkers. I'd just rather save my PoPs for closer to the end of day to see what more happens.

I'm also provisionally believing BM, which means he, VE and Snarfs are provisionally town. I like Acrofales's filter so far, Cephiro's too, although I wish there was more of it. Null reads on others. More talk from more people needed. Come on good toys, more activity!
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 02 2012 05:24 GMT
#300
On April 02 2012 14:21 syllogism wrote:
How is using a pull as a rolecheck wasteful? Pulls can generally only be used to "save" someone, which isn't particularly towny as especially early on that means using your power against the wishes of the majority. Furthermore, since then people have been pulling palmar towards the item quite "lightly"; are they too suspicious?

It's the way he said it. Saying that it wasn't the best use of a PoP, but he didn't really care. Plus, seriously, if he was going to lie about that it would be found out pretty damn fast by someone who actually was in favour of pushing him towards the item. Hence, it makes sense from people like VE and Mattchew, because they've at least expressed interest in him getting the item.

Also, look at cascades entire post. It's pure fluff plus this rolecheck which I thought was pointless.
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