Death Factory Mafia 2 - Page 16

On April 02 2012 14:27 syllogism wrote:
Bluelightz hasn't so far said anything that indicates to me that he isn't playing his normal game, besides possibly his x,y,z,a are town post, so I wouldn't kill him right now. You on the other hand haven't quite been playing your confident style and have been asking more questions than usual, so if I were to push someone right now it would be you.

On April 02 2012 14:24 Snarfs wrote:

It's the way he said it. Saying that it wasn't the best use of a PoP, but he didn't really care. Plus, seriously, if he was going to lie about that it would be found out pretty damn fast by someone who actually was in favour of pushing him towards the item. Hence, it makes sense from people like VE and Mattchew, because they've at least expressed interest in him getting the item.

Also, look at cascades entire post. It's pure fluff plus this rolecheck which I thought was pointless.

On April 02 2012 14:55 syllogism wrote:
Just the "this post kind of looks coached" post?

On April 02 2012 14:55 syllogism wrote:
All I am seeing is the same kind of short posts he always makes and his tone doesn't seem any different than normal. A bit earlier you said you don't want to push bluelightz because you dont want to use your PoP yet, but now you are encouraging me to use mine; this doesn't seem like the confident town wbg but rather the more careful scum one.

On April 02 2012 14:54 Tobon wrote:


I agree with all this. I'm not liking Cascades' post and pull either.

However, pushing him is still a bad idea right now. Because of the two-toys-fill-a-row bumping mechanic, the more spread out we toys get the more pushes it takes to get anyone into the fire zone. The worst thing we can do as good toys is to end up almost killing several suspects instead of making sure to get one or two.

As long as we're talking about queue mechanics, I'll make explicit something I've just been hinting at as well: we have no control over Palmar. Anyone thinking "we let him get the item and then if he acts scummy we just don't push him back out of the fire" isn't considering that he can happily hang out in the fire zone and just flip the queue if it seems like he might end the day there.

That having been said, though, we can take advantage of that situation by leaving Palmar exactly where he is. Our two biggest lurkers, risk.nuke and Sbrubbles probably figure they are safe because they are near the bottom, Blue is hard to lynch because he's down there too. If we _pull_ (1) Blue, (2) Blue, (3) Sbrubbles, (4) risk, (5) Blue, and then let Palmar swap ends then we get all three of what look like the scummiest so far with only 5 pulls. If Palmar is town, he'll agree to the plan, and if he's scum he'd have to sacrifice himself by not using his power and dying in order to save those 3, which he wouldn't do unless 1 or more of them are also scum, so we'd end up killing one scum and identifying more.

On April 02 2012 15:49 syllogism wrote:
Also I'm reconsidering whether I believe BM's claim. He says he can move up to 3 spots up or down on the belt... rungs if you will, yes. and thus potentially day dt check 5 people possibly more, i didn't check the maximum number, because that would be inefficient if someone was scum and prevented me from moving anywhere. It seems like a way too powerful ability with huge variance. it does have a huge variance, and it is a powerful ability, as it can be used like a daytime cop ability. it is one time use, however, so i am essentially a vanilla townie now He also claims he had to "go through snarf", snarf was to the left of me, which would logically be the way it would be going upwards to latch onto VE, whereas if i went right, or down, I wouldn't check snarf, no when in reality he started next to him, which seems like an inconsistency in the claim. it's not an inconsistency. Look at how you write on a piece of paper. Then he proceeds to claim that it's a one-time use ability, It is a one time use ability. thus providing an explanation for the possibility that he won't get killed or roleblocked later on. I won't get roleblocked later on, but if scum are smart, they will still look to kill me. I am also fine with dying, as it will clear 2 town in snarf and VE. I'm not sure what his motivation for moving is if he is scum, but I can imagine a number of possibilities for a role that, as he says, "latches on to" another player. and I can imagine a giant spaghetti monster, but that doesn't mean it exists.

On April 02 2012 14:54 Tobon wrote:


I agree with all this. I'm not liking Cascades' post and pull either.

However, pushing him is still a bad idea right now. Because of the two-toys-fill-a-row bumping mechanic, the more spread out we toys get the more pushes it takes to get anyone into the fire zone. The worst thing we can do as good toys is to end up almost killing several suspects instead of making sure to get one or two.

As long as we're talking about queue mechanics, I'll make explicit something I've just been hinting at as well: we have no control over Palmar. Anyone thinking "we let him get the item and then if he acts scummy we just don't push him back out of the fire" isn't considering that he can happily hang out in the fire zone and just flip the queue if it seems like he might end the day there.

That having been said, though, we can take advantage of that situation by leaving Palmar exactly where he is. Our two biggest lurkers, risk.nuke and Sbrubbles probably figure they are safe because they are near the bottom, Blue is hard to lynch because he's down there too. If we _pull_ (1) Blue, (2) Blue, (3) Sbrubbles, (4) risk, (5) Blue, and then let Palmar swap ends then we get all three of what look like the scummiest so far with only 5 pulls. If Palmar is town, he'll agree to the plan, and if he's scum he'd have to sacrifice himself by not using his power and dying in order to save those 3, which he wouldn't do unless 1 or more of them are also scum, so we'd end up killing one scum and identifying more.

On April 02 2012 17:20 Palmar wrote:
how does this kid know my role?

On April 02 2012 17:22 Acrofales wrote:
As for the people who pulled him up there without a plan to get him down, you're all second on my scumometer, with palmar himself as well, because it is a plan with too many ifs, buts and general assumptions with too little rewards.
That is: VisceralEyes, Mattchew, BillMurray, cascades and Palmar himself.

However, now that he's up there, we should probably make the best of a bad (did I say bad? I meant horrible terrible stupid) situation. I need 3 volunteers to join me in pushing him back down out of the danger zone, and one someone to pull him up the last rung.

On April 02 2012 17:28 Palmar wrote:


you need to prove yourself smart before you call people stupid.