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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 02 2012 07:15 Dirkzor wrote: Wait? Can we only do one push OR pull per day? Or is it one push AND one pull? From OP. Its just that you are crossing over people that have only used 1 thing... You can do both. One Push AND one Pull. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
You're taking an awfully careful approach to this game bugs...are you just trying to avoid a mass-murder like DFM1 or is it something more sinister? | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
I also don't view PoP's as votes. They are tools. If we vote on what to do we can then use these tools efficiently. If we use them as votes then they are likely to get messed with by the set-up and we will have less control over who we kill. For instance the starting positions will affect how many votes it takes to kill sombody and certain roles may require additional PoP's to be moved or might cause other PoP's to be wasted or cancelled out + Show Spoiler [cough cough] + The brutish Hulk Toy! You are a Good Toy. Hulk Smash! Not only are you one of the most famous toys around but you are one of the strongest! During the day pound the conveyor belt by PMing me the action - all toys except you fly into the air due to your super strength. Everyone is randomly rearranged on a different queue or might stay the same. You can do this twice during the game. Your PoPs are also much stronger than normal and go 2 positions in either direction. Welcome to Death Factory Mafia! You are the bloated Fat Boy Toy! You are a Good Toy. As the biggest Toy around you have some very unique abilities. You can not be moved easily as it takes 2 people to PoP you in the same direction for you to move one position. If you are PoPed into a full queue position you will throw your weight around and bounce whatever Toy(s) are there out of it. You take up both queue positions. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
In a normal game I would have voted Bluelightz by now. Lastly, I want people to take responsibility for their PoP and following the item plan makes it very difficult for us to hold players culpable for their actions. As for BM's claim, whether or not it seems "accurate" (whatever that means) is idle speculation and honestly a waste of time to me. BM is not any more likely town nor scum because of that claim. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Tell me additionally what you think of syllogism, VE, and layabout. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
I don't "trust" Palmar, but I know he's smart/experienced enough to know what to do and what not to do with the item if he's town, so I "trust" that I'll be able to gauge his alignment based on how he acts with it. What do you suggest we do Wiggles? Wait for a confirmed town before we get the item? So do you suggest we kill BM to test his alignment to confirm myself and Snarfs so that one of us can get it? Does that not seem like a horrifying waste of PoPs to you? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
VE do you want to be pushed to get the item? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On April 02 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: There's no reassurance that anyone is town, Wiggles. I'm interested to see what he does with the item, as that will be more of an indicator of his alignment than discussing whether or not he's worthy of the item. I don't "trust" Palmar, but I know he's smart/experienced enough to know what to do and what not to do with the item if he's town, so I "trust" that I'll be able to gauge his alignment based on how he acts with it. What do you suggest we do Wiggles? Wait for a confirmed town before we get the item? So do you suggest we kill BM to test his alignment to confirm myself and Snarfs so that one of us can get it? Does that not seem like a horrifying waste of PoPs to you? No, I don't think someone needs to be confirmed to get the item, but I think that we should see how they post, and get an idea of what their alignment is. There's a difference between judging someone to be town based off their posts, and just blindly trusting them. I think the best indicator of his alignment would be him posting, but he's not doing that, so there's absolutely no reason to think he's town. How he uses the item won't even tell us very much about his alignment either, in my opinion, and that's if he even tells you what it is. It's easy to think of ways to use the items that look pro-town, but don't actually benefit us. I find it interesting that when I ask a question about why you trust Palmar enough to give him the item, you make gross exaggerations and act incredibly defensive about it. I didn't suggest someone has to be confirmed to be eligible to get the item, and I didn't suggest to flip anyone to try to confirm people, or to waste our PoP's getting the item with someone far up the queue. Why did you jump to being so irrationally defensive and using exaggerated rhetoric when I asked you a simple question, VE? @WBG: I'm not exactly sure who I want to kill right now. Based off this last post, and thinking that giving Palmar an item because he asked for it is the most pro-town thing we could do, maybe VE. Or, based on his complete lack of effort, we could flip Palmar. What do you think of Palmar and VE, WBG? I see you linked a couple people who haven't posted and said you want to kill them, so what do you think of Palmar with his one post? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 02 2012 08:06 wherebugsgo wrote: prplhz, please tell me who you would like to kill today and why. Tell me additionally what you think of syllogism, VE, and layabout. How about Tobon? Nothing in his filter even though he calls out for scum hunting, most of it is just pointing out random stuff and summarizing the thread. I'm not decided yet but he's looking pretty bad. Why are you asking about those three specifically? I have no idea why we are sending Palmar for that item. It's not really that powerful and we can still determine his alignment without him getting it (well, it wouldn't hurt if he would post a little more). wherebugsgo already pointed out potential dangers, scum could have a hidden PoP role, like a PoP Floridian Toy, and then they could pull (push) Palmar over the edge when he gets the item. killing one of the best town players. This is really risky and I'm totally against it and I think people should have thought more carefully about this before going through with it, and then they should have concluded that it wasn't worth it at all. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
I'm not acting "incredibly defensive", I'm trying get things done. Palmar volunteered to get the item, I'm okay with him getting the item, I made a move. If anything I'm being very proactive and decisive. If you want to try and cast my decisions in a scummy light, you're going to do a little more than twisting my words around to sound scummier than they are. From your post I assumed you wanted a confirmed townie to have the item - clearly I was mistaken. But when you say things like "we have no assurances" and "how do you know he can be trusted" it seems like you want something concrete, which means "confirmed townie". I mean, feel free to PoP me if you really want me dead Wiggles...but you doing so after only one "shady" post seems pretty hypocritical to me sir. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On April 02 2012 09:05 prplhz wrote: How about Tobon? Nothing in his filter even though he calls out for scum hunting, most of it is just pointing out random stuff and summarizing the thread. I'm not decided yet but he's looking pretty bad. Why are you asking about those three specifically? I have no idea why we are sending Palmar for that item. It's not really that powerful and we can still determine his alignment without him getting it (well, it wouldn't hurt if he would post a little more). wherebugsgo already pointed out potential dangers, scum could have a hidden PoP role, like a PoP Floridian Toy, and then they could pull (push) Palmar over the edge when he gets the item. killing one of the best town players. This is really risky and I'm totally against it and I think people should have thought more carefully about this before going through with it, and then they should have concluded that it wasn't worth it at all. "...and then they should have concluded that it wasn't worth it at all" Like, what does that even mean? You guys are boring me with all this walking on broken glass bullshit. Whatever, I'll just vote with town and let you guys PoP me to the edge for "trying to shirk responsibility for my actions" or something stupid. Enact whatever retarded "alternative voting system" you want. I won't be participating, but promise to vote for whoever you Jubs want to vote for. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 02 2012 09:05 prplhz wrote: How about Tobon? Nothing in his filter even though he calls out for scum hunting, most of it is just pointing out random stuff and summarizing the thread. I'm not decided yet but he's looking pretty bad. Why are you asking about those three specifically? I have no idea why we are sending Palmar for that item. It's not really that powerful and we can still determine his alignment without him getting it (well, it wouldn't hurt if he would post a little more). wherebugsgo already pointed out potential dangers, scum could have a hidden PoP role, like a PoP Floridian Toy, and then they could pull (push) Palmar over the edge when he gets the item. killing one of the best town players. This is really risky and I'm totally against it and I think people should have thought more carefully about this before going through with it, and then they should have concluded that it wasn't worth it at all. Are you going to answer my request or are you going to continue to respond by dodging and turning the question back on me? My request was simple; tell me what you think of those players. Please explain why Tobon is a better choice for kill than Bluelightz. On April 02 2012 09:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote: @WBG: I'm not exactly sure who I want to kill right now. Based off this last post, and thinking that giving Palmar an item because he asked for it is the most pro-town thing we could do, maybe VE. Or, based on his complete lack of effort, we could flip Palmar. What do you think of Palmar and VE, WBG? I see you linked a couple people who haven't posted and said you want to kill them, so what do you think of Palmar with his one post? At this point I'd like to keep an eye on VE. I agree with what you've said so far about him, but because he's generally rather active as both alignments, and he plays relatively well regardless, he'll be hard to read if he actually is scum. I don't think he is the best choice to kill right now, though. As for Palmar, I'm completely fine with leaving him in the kill zone right now. You're right in that he hasn't done anything; if he's town, he'll have to explain why he needs to be pushed out. I for one am going to save my push for Bluelightz or someone else (depending on who seems scummiest within the next 12 hours or so). As of now it's Bluelightz because he's actually tried playing, but scampered away at the slightest hint of pressure. That's identical to his play from the mini I hosted. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
It means that if you do a cost/benefit analysis of getting that item for Palmar, you'll eventually reach the conclusion that it's not worth it. It's way too risky and the item is not very powerful. Since you're apparently going ahead with it anyway we should just stop talking about it. I'm just very displeased with it. Why are you so focused on being reckless? @wherebugsgo Dodge? I answered one question and then I asked you a question, that seems pretty fair to me. Why are you dodging instead of just answering my god damn question? If you just answered then I'd probably answer your question too, well, maybe. While I'm leaning in some direction on all of them, I don't want to lynch any of them right now so I'm keeping my reads to myself. I didn't say that Tobon is better than Bluelightz. He is though, don't you agree? Or am I never going to get any answer out of you? Hopefully they'll both come into this thread and we can get a better look at them. Right now, Tobon looks more careful than Bluelightz, who is very clearly trolling. Leaving Palmar in the red zone is the epitome of "guilty until proven innocent". I'm holding on to my push until he's back out of the red. It's a shame that the further people pull him into the red, the more people will have an excuse for holding their pushes until he's out again. If you people want to go through with this plan then you start pulling Palmar to that item, the last puller should coordinate with the first pusher so that he doesn't stay very long in 24. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
What do you think sir? I'd like your thoughts on Syllogism, layabout and MrWiggles sir. WATCH ME AWAIT YOUR RESPONSE!!! | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 02 2012 09:34 prplhz wrote: @wherebugsgo Dodge? I answered one question and then I asked you a question, that seems pretty fair to me. Why are you dodging instead of just answering my god damn question? If you just answered then I'd probably answer your question too, well, maybe. While I'm leaning in some direction on all of them, I don't want to lynch any of them right now so I'm keeping my reads to myself. I didn't say that Tobon is better than Bluelightz. He is though, don't you agree? Or am I never going to get any answer out of you? Hopefully they'll both come into this thread and we can get a better look at them. Right now, Tobon looks more careful than Bluelightz, who is very clearly trolling. Leaving Palmar in the red zone is the epitome of "guilty until proven innocent". I'm holding on to my push until he's back out of the red. It's a shame that the further people pull him into the red, the more people will have an excuse for holding their pushes until he's out again. If you people want to go through with this plan then you start pulling Palmar to that item, the last puller should coordinate with the first pusher so that he doesn't stay very long in 24. I'm not going to repeat myself, but yes, it's clear you're dodging my question. You do it yet again and try to paint me as the person who is being uncooperative. Your question of "why are you asking about those players" serves no purpose other than easing the burden on you. No possible answer I could give you would tell you anything about my alignment. However, you are dodging giving reads on several important players. Scum hate giving reads on players. In addition: If you just answered then I'd probably answer your question too, well, maybe. Thank you for admitting that you would have never answered my question to begin with. My suspicions were correct. Right now, Tobon looks more careful than Bluelightz, who is very clearly trolling. You make this assertion on the basis of what, exactly? What has Bluelightz said that is indicative of him "clearly trolling," and what has Tobon said that is indicative of the opposite? Leaving Palmar in the red zone is the epitome of "guilty until proven innocent". I'm holding on to my push until he's back out of the red. It's a shame that the further people pull him into the red, the more people will have an excuse for holding their pushes until he's out again. If you people want to go through with this plan then you start pulling Palmar to that item, the last puller should coordinate with the first pusher so that he doesn't stay very long in 24. No it isn't. I'm fine with leaving Palmar there because I have only one push and I'd rather use it to kill someone else than save Palmar. I made my opinions clear earlier and there was nothing else I could have done to stop BM and VE from pulling Palmar into the red zone. You say that you're holding your push for the exact same reason you say it's a shame. Rather odd for you to say that. On April 02 2012 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Watch me?! Watch me watch you Bugs! I SEE YOU!!! What do you think sir? I'd like your thoughts on Syllogism, layabout and MrWiggles sir. WATCH ME AWAIT YOUR RESPONSE!!! I'll respond to you when prpl decides to answer my question. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
VE is confirmed town to me | ||
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