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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
24.[Item] [___________] 23.[___________] [___________] 22.[___________] [___________] 21.[___________] [___________] 20.[Palmar] [___________] 19.[___________] [___________] 18.[___________] [___________] 17.[Mr.Wiggles] [___________] 16.[cascades] [Nemesis] 15. [Dirkzor] [Mr.Zentor] 14.[VisceraEyes] [Bill Murray] 13.[Snarfs][___________] 12.[wherebugsgo][prplhz] 11. [Acrofales][___________] 10.[Mattchew] [Tobon] 9. [layabout] [___________] 8. [Bluelightz][Sbrubbles] 7. [risk.nuke][syllogism] 6. [Cephiro][___________] 5. [___________][___________] 4. [___________][___________] 3. [___________] [___________] 2. [___________] [___________] 1. [___________] [___________] PoPs - Day 1 + Show Spoiler + Mr.Wiggles Bluelightz VisceraEyes risk.nuke Sbrubbles Dirkzor Mattchew Snarfs Cephiro Tobon wherebugsgo layabout syllogism Mr.Zentor prplhz Acrofales Palmar Nemesis | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
11. Toys have one Push and one Pull option per day. Use them wisely because once they are used you can not get them back on that day. From OP. Its just that you are crossing over people that have only used 1 thing... | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
lol. that's gonna be a pain in the ass (and if he really scum I bet we'll need even more) @Layabout: my opinion is malleable, but I currently don't find Acrofales suspicious. VE is there anyone other than Bluelightz you currently find suspicious? What do you make of BM's roleclaim and subsequent pull (push) of Palmar? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Looked at it from that perspective, people who are pulling Palmar to get the item still have a vote to kill at the end of the day (pushes). The only votes we'd be losing are people "pushing" Palmar to get him back to safety. Suddenly I like the idea of giving Palmar power to see what he does with it. Especially since I can still contribute to the lynch. ##pull: Palmar | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18218 Posts
On April 02 2012 06:00 layabout wrote: You originally called me scummy for saying that we should grab the item. This was false and i pointed that out. You then called me wishy washy and pointed at the post that led you to infer that i wanted us to grab the item. I pointed out that there was nothing in that post to lead you to infer that. I further asked you why you then decided to call me "wishy washy" and to explain how i was being "wishy washy". You then do not explain yourself but instead you call me scummy for being overly defensive. My response to this was to think "man this guy is an idiot". You then make this post in which you explain that you were overly defensive as scum in your last game and try to use that to justify calling me scum. I responded by pointing out that in that same game i was lynched day1. I was hoping that you would realise that since i was lynched by 5/21 players for no good reason and flipped town that i might want to avoid that happening again and that, that might be why i am being defensive. I was also hoping that you would realise that "scumtells" are pretty much complete garbage, and that somebody being defensive is an appalling basis for a scum read. I realise now that i expected to much of you. And now you made sense. See, that's all I really wanted from you. If, instead of making assumptions that everybody else thinks exactly the same way you do, but instead explain what conclusions you're jumping to, we can communicate just fine! | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
In JubJub I had to make a king N1 or I would have died without being able to use the power. And he's claimed it's 1-shot too, so his results are going to be as useful now as they would later. I don't mind his claim at all. Now, it also makes sense from a scum perspective, but I haven't seen anything from BM yet that indicates that he's trying to manipulate town aside from the claim, which as I said, makes sense from a town perspective. So for now, I'm believing the claim until I'm forced not to. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Take Bluelightz, for example. To kill him would take 13 pushes AT LEAST. if he is scum, we might need 14 or 15 even, if there are hidden pulling mechanics. That leaves only 5 pushes to save Palmar if he is town. That ties up 18 pushes. That means anyone who doesn't push with the rest of town will cause us great problems and it unnecessarily restricts our ability to kill/save who we want to. Scum control 5 PoPs and there's no way we can guarantee all the town work together. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On April 02 2012 07:22 wherebugsgo wrote: Why the hell would you do that when we know, if we want to kill someone who takes more than 10-12 pushes, that saving Palmar would be nearly impossible? Take Bluelightz, for example. To kill him would take 13 pushes AT LEAST. if he is scum, we might need 14 or 15 even, if there are hidden pulling mechanics. That leaves only 5 pushes to save Palmar if he is town. That ties up 18 pushes. That means anyone who doesn't push with the rest of town will cause us great problems and it unnecessarily restricts our ability to kill/save who we want to. Scum control 5 PoPs and there's no way we can guarantee all the town work together. Obviously we're going to have to prioritize, bugs. I'm not saying people further from death are immune to suspicion, quite the opposite - people in the middle should be under THE MOST scrutiny because they're the ones who will take the most effort to kill... But if you'll read my post, "pulling" Palmar isn't doing shit but remove my ability to either pull myself to safety or take a firm stance against a lynch or whatever - I can still "push" with the rest of town. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18218 Posts
On April 02 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: I might be like...italics/bold on people who have pushed and strikethrough people who have pulled or whatever. Looked at it from that perspective, people who are pulling Palmar to get the item still have a vote to kill at the end of the day (pushes). The only votes we'd be losing are people "pushing" Palmar to get him back to safety. Suddenly I like the idea of giving Palmar power to see what he does with it. Especially since I can still contribute to the lynch. ##pull: Palmar Lol. This plan sounds well thought out: you get Palmar into the death zone... and then just leave him there to rot, because saving him is someone else's job. Glad you thought this through. Anyway, I'm going to bed. See you all tomorrow. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
8 pulls | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
It also leaves the question of, what happens if we have an inactive or someone who doesn't PoP, or if the Euros are asleep when we need Palmar saved. All of these are important questions and you chose to simply ignore all of the discussion about the risks of pushing Palmar there without thinking of how to get him back or how to divide up the PoPs. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18218 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
claimed a 1 shot dt with 2 green checks on day1. if he is town and he flips then this will confirm his checks. So he would make an excellent item grabber. (but item grabbing today is still stupid. if his checks die and flip green then we cannot make a judgement upon him. if his checks die and flip scum then he has lied to us in a way that makes no sense as town and is probably scum. but claiming now reduces the chance that either of his checks will make it to endgame (where the check would be most useful) can we afford to leave him alive until endgame? also that pull has basically forced an item grab which could greatly reduce the PoP power of town or could allow scum to throwaway their PoP's without having to give us any potentially useful information. @wbg Bluelightz should only take 8 pushes to lynch since he should move over filled spots. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I'm not advocating killing him today, but he's pretty high up on my list. For now, he should just be ignored. Part of my rationale for that is this: 10. All Toys have hidden abilities aka roles. Remember this is a TOY FACTORY - strange things can happen. BM claimed something that "confirms" two people as town. We have no idea whether those two people are town and whether BM even has the role he claimed to have. The only thing we know is that BM moved on the queue. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Current positions - Day 1 + Show Spoiler + 24.[Item] [___________] 23.[___________] [___________] 22.[___________] [___________] 21.[Palmar] [___________] 20.[___________][___________] 19.[___________] [___________] 18.[___________] [___________] 17.[Mr.Wiggles] [___________] 16.[cascades] [Nemesis] 15. [Dirkzor] [Mr.Zentor] 14.[VisceraEyes] [Bill Murray] 13.[Snarfs][___________] 12.[wherebugsgo][prplhz] 11. [Acrofales][___________] 10.[Mattchew] [Tobon] 9. [layabout] [___________] 8. [Bluelightz][Sbrubbles] 7. [risk.nuke][syllogism] 6. [Cephiro][___________] 5. [___________][___________] 4. [___________][___________] 3. [___________] [___________] 2. [___________] [___________] 1. [___________] [___________] PoPs - Day 1 + Show Spoiler + Mr.Wiggles Bluelightz VisceraEyes Pull Palmar risk.nuke Sbrubbles Dirkzor Mattchew Snarfs Cephiro Tobon wherebugsgo layabout syllogism Mr.Zentor prplhz Acrofales Bill Murray Pull Palmar cascadesPull Palmar Palmar Nemesis | ||
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