I'm also going to stop responding to you Mattchew (Which I should have done ages ago) Because it is just a back and forth getting no where and tunneling the discussion.
I want to hear from Xata and Grey.
Thoughts on people's suspicions?
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
March 29 2012 19:34 GMT
#1221
I'm also going to stop responding to you Mattchew (Which I should have done ages ago) Because it is just a back and forth getting no where and tunneling the discussion. I want to hear from Xata and Grey. Thoughts on people's suspicions? | ||
GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
March 29 2012 20:38 GMT
#1222
On March 30 2012 03:36 Zealos wrote: I really don't understand what makes me a good lynch target. Day 1 I called out Acro for being suspicious for his first post. I mean, I might have been trying to blend in, but it surely it would have been easier and less suspicious for Acro had I not said anything? Also, when Risen was being lynched anyway, surely as a mafia it would have been better to just vote and not say much, instead I was the one most pushing for the lynch. Why would I put the effort forward to do that as mafia if I knew that he was going to be killed anyway? This is rather poor defense, and is strongly based in WIFOM. You could have put forth the effort to make a case against risen knowing that it would make you look more townish, and thus could have used it in a defense just as you are now. | ||
Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
March 29 2012 20:50 GMT
#1223
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
March 29 2012 21:12 GMT
#1224
On March 30 2012 03:29 Xatalos wrote: Okay... It looks like this day was a real mess (as well as day 2 to a lesser degree) so I hope day 4 will be the day where Mafia are finally figured out. I'm not still 100% confident on my own Mafia reads, but I'll post all my opinions and findings now, in case I get killed at the deadline. I'll go through every player with my opinions/notes as well as a verdict: good/medium/bad lynch. Good lynch: I'll vote for one of these if possible. Medium lynch: I'll vote for one of these if necessary not to get a bad lynch lynched. Bad lynch: I won't vote for one of these - I can't see them being Mafia. gumshoe: He's been my top lynch for a long time, but I don't think he's the best lynch anymore at this point. First of all, he has been inactive for a long time, so he'll probably get modkilled soon anyway. Second, as some others said before, his careless and bold posts don't fit the Mafia mindset very well. Very possibly he's just a noob who spoke what came to his mind, no matter how possibly suspicious. Verdict: Medium lynch. Zealos: Apparently some think he's suspicious, but I don't really see it. He's been very active, contributing and created a pro-town atmosphere. Unless I see something damning from him, I'm not willing to vote for him. Verdict: Bad lynch. Mattchew: I really didn't like his confusing and disruptive way to play on day 1, but in the end, he's been generating a lot of useful discussion. Also, I can't believe Mafia (Acrofales) would have focused so hard on getting a fellow Mafia player lynched... I'm not willing to vote for him anymore. Verdict: Bad lynch. risk.nuke: I was a bit suspicious of him after his first posts, but his later posts have been a lot more contributive. I'm not sold on either his innocence or guiltiness yet. Verdict: Medium lynch. Jitsu: OriginalName was a lurker, but Jitsu has contributed quite a bit after he took over. I haven't seen anything suspicious about him yet... Verdict: Bad lynch. Alderan: He hasn't contributed very much, but isn't really a lurker either. Not a very bad lynch choice, but not among the best. Verdict: Medium lynch. chaoser: Clearly has experience in playing, but hasn't contributed much, disregarding some of the more trivial discussion. A semi-lurker who doesn't look very pro-town, but not anti-town either. Verdict: Medium lynch. Lyter: Has contributed little and posted seldom. Something feels off, but not a top lynch yet. Verdict: Medium lynch. GreYMisT: Also an experienced player, but hasn't contributed much or often. Was the runner-up in day 1 lynch, but wasn't voted by even a single Mafia player. Both him and chaoser haven't done much to help town, but GreYMisT feels more suspicious to me. Verdict: Good lynch. sinensis: Doesn't look very interested in adding to the discussion, voting without much explanation or contribution. Apparently suspects evantrees mainly, but doesn't push his lynch other than voting for him. Verdict: Medium lynch. evantrees: A hardcore lurker without real contribution. Certainly feels a bit suspicious, but could also be a disinterested townie. Verdict: Medium lynch. So, I'll probably be voting for GreYMisT tomorrow if I can. Once evantress is dead I am lynching this guy, Xatalos. I doubt if anyone in thread can change my mind with any amount of posting. His early game wishy-washy-smiley style of posting made me suspicious, now this giant list of useless has me more suspicious because his "good-lynches" boil down to: - "Greymist hasn't contributed much or often and was the runner-up in day 1 lynch." Day 1 the town has ZERO information about anything, so basing a lynch off that info when we're this far into the game is stupid. Also, greymist has contributed more than the guy I am voting for if that's the criteria votes are being based on. Last, he wasn't even the runner-up day 1 as Xatalos said, so I'm not sure why he said it. - He also says gumshoe has been his top lynch for a long time, but has other priorities right now instead (read: greymist). If your priorities are preserving town numbers and eliminating mafia, you should probably follow my example. | ||
Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
March 29 2012 21:18 GMT
#1225
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
March 29 2012 22:41 GMT
#1226
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
March 29 2012 23:44 GMT
#1227
On March 30 2012 03:29 Xatalos wrote: Okay... It looks like this day was a real mess (as well as day 2 to a lesser degree) so I hope day 4 will be the day where Mafia are finally figured out. I'm not still 100% confident on my own Mafia reads, but I'll post all my opinions and findings now, in case I get killed at the deadline. I'll go through every player with my opinions/notes as well as a verdict: good/medium/bad lynch. Good lynch: I'll vote for one of these if possible. Medium lynch: I'll vote for one of these if necessary not to get a bad lynch lynched. Bad lynch: I won't vote for one of these - I can't see them being Mafia. gumshoe: He's been my top lynch for a long time, but I don't think he's the best lynch anymore at this point. First of all, he has been inactive for a long time, so he'll probably get modkilled soon anyway. Second, as some others said before, his careless and bold posts don't fit the Mafia mindset very well. Very possibly he's just a noob who spoke what came to his mind, no matter how possibly suspicious. Verdict: Medium lynch. Zealos: Apparently some think he's suspicious, but I don't really see it. He's been very active, contributing and created a pro-town atmosphere. Unless I see something damning from him, I'm not willing to vote for him. Verdict: Bad lynch. Mattchew: I really didn't like his confusing and disruptive way to play on day 1, but in the end, he's been generating a lot of useful discussion. Also, I can't believe Mafia (Acrofales) would have focused so hard on getting a fellow Mafia player lynched... I'm not willing to vote for him anymore. Verdict: Bad lynch. risk.nuke: I was a bit suspicious of him after his first posts, but his later posts have been a lot more contributive. I'm not sold on either his innocence or guiltiness yet. Verdict: Medium lynch. Jitsu: OriginalName was a lurker, but Jitsu has contributed quite a bit after he took over. I haven't seen anything suspicious about him yet... Verdict: Bad lynch. Alderan: He hasn't contributed very much, but isn't really a lurker either. Not a very bad lynch choice, but not among the best. Verdict: Medium lynch. chaoser: Clearly has experience in playing, but hasn't contributed much, disregarding some of the more trivial discussion. A semi-lurker who doesn't look very pro-town, but not anti-town either. Verdict: Medium lynch. Lyter: Has contributed little and posted seldom. Something feels off, but not a top lynch yet. Verdict: Medium lynch. GreYMisT: Also an experienced player, but hasn't contributed much or often. Was the runner-up in day 1 lynch, but wasn't voted by even a single Mafia player. Both him and chaoser haven't done much to help town, but GreYMisT feels more suspicious to me. Verdict: Good lynch. sinensis: Doesn't look very interested in adding to the discussion, voting without much explanation or contribution. Apparently suspects evantrees mainly, but doesn't push his lynch other than voting for him. Verdict: Medium lynch. evantrees: A hardcore lurker without real contribution. Certainly feels a bit suspicious, but could also be a disinterested townie. Verdict: Medium lynch. So, I'll probably be voting for GreYMisT tomorrow if I can. I'm not going to bother to pick this apart. I only have two things to say. Under what circumstances would a Town player ever make a list of all the remaining people in the game and list the people that they think are "good lynches" or "bad lynches." and two, Xalatos, you claimed I was a bad lynch for several reasons, the main point being that I had solid contributions since the game started. Can you point those out to me and tell me why you think it's a solid enough contribution to town that I would be a "bad lynch?" Also, LOL at you implying that I am a better lynch target because I posted a case on you. Scum knee jerk reaction much? On March 30 2012 06:12 Sinensis wrote:Once evantress is dead I am lynching this guy, Xatalos. I doubt if anyone in thread can change my mind with any amount of posting. His early game wishy-washy-smiley style of posting made me suspicious, now this giant list of useless has me more suspicious because his "good-lynches" boil down to: - "Greymist hasn't contributed much or often and was the runner-up in day 1 lynch." Day 1 the town has ZERO information about anything, so basing a lynch off that info when we're this far into the game is stupid. Also, greymist has contributed more than the guy I am voting for if that's the criteria votes are being based on. Last, he wasn't even the runner-up day 1 as Xatalos said, so I'm not sure why he said it. - He also says gumshoe has been his top lynch for a long time, but has other priorities right now instead (read: greymist). If your priorities are preserving town numbers and eliminating mafia, you should probably follow my example. ![]() | ||
Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
March 29 2012 23:49 GMT
#1228
On March 30 2012 07:41 Mattchew wrote: Why are you so dead set on evantrees? Because he refuses to defend himself, or do anything helpful. | ||
GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
March 29 2012 23:50 GMT
#1229
On March 30 2012 05:50 Zealos wrote: So Grey, you planning on defending yourself or switching the topic back to me again? ![]() I honestly don't care about defending myself. However you seem worried, and what do you mean by "again"? I have yet to talk about you except for just then. | ||
Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
March 29 2012 23:52 GMT
#1230
On March 30 2012 04:34 Zealos wrote: I'm also going to stop responding to you Mattchew (Which I should have done ages ago) Because it is just a back and forth getting no where and tunneling the discussion. this is called deflection | ||
Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
March 29 2012 23:52 GMT
#1231
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
March 29 2012 23:54 GMT
#1232
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
March 29 2012 23:58 GMT
#1233
For my first read, it's risk.nuke. He talks about how everyone else is bad at playing this game or hasn't contributed much but he himself has only really pushed for one person and that person is greymist. I already wrote about him on day one trying to misrepresent greymist and if one reads over his posts, you can see that he pretty much only says stuff about greymist and not much about anyone else. He says my filter is "useless" and I focused too much on risen and acro but if you look at HIS filter you can see that HE only focuses on greymist. He also weighs in a decent amount on the risen/acro issue, voting for acro when it was pretty clear at that point that it wouldn't have mattered. So really, his focus has just been greymist and acro/risen and I don't have much of a read on any of his other thoughts. On March 27 2012 02:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Day 2 Vote Count Risen (9) - wherebugsgo, GreYMisT, Alderan, Acrofales, Xatalos, MrZentor, Zealos, chaoser, Mattchew Acrofales (1) - Risen Evantrees (1) - Sinesis On March 27 2012 05:13 risk.nuke wrote: ##vote: acrofales I consider him my top scum target. SEcondly, due to the fact that acro was lynched and flipped mafia, we can actually learn a lot from reading his posts about other players. In particular is zealos. If you read over acro's posts throughout the game, as well as zealos' posts, you'll see a dramatic change between their opinions of each other. At the start of the game, they go at each other a lot, though in thoroughly wishy washy ways. The most that comes out of their arguments is that zealos is a lurker and acro is a newbie. Both are weak arguments that they probably thought no one would really bit on. But once the Risen thing occurs, this happens: On March 27 2012 02:08 Zealos wrote: I don't know if I've missed something, but I'm not sure why acro is under doubt? On March 28 2012 06:45 Acrofales wrote: Trolololol. THAT is your idea of a detailed case on your scum list? You call out me, based ONLY on the red check. Xatalos, who you've been harping on all game. You may be right, I don't like his posting style either, but are wordiness and careful phrasing really scum tells? Zealos is one of my clearest town reads. Evantrees and Lyter are lurkers and therefore high on almost everybody's scumlist. Why are you covering for the king lurker of them all? Is Gumshoe your scumbuddy? I judge your cases severely lacking in content, as it should be if posted by a mobster. But hell, it looks like I'll be dead tomorrow and you can keep manipulating this town. They suddenly back off each other at around the same time relatively and do a complete 360 degree change in readings. On March 26 2012 04:30 Zealos wrote: What if acro is the real DT and he is playing it well by not claiming? Given that we now know that Acro was setting up for a fake blue claim (that he hilariously messed up), this seems to be part of their plan of setting up for that claim. Read over the day 2/night 2 filters of both of them and compare to day 1 and it's hialrious the difference. While this line of happening by itself doesn't mean much, adding in mattchew's case on him, it becomes pretty obvious that he is scum. His scummy posting+his interactions with acro makes him my second top scum read. For the last scum, I'm actually undecided between lyter and gumshoe. I've been suspicious of gumshoe ever since he posted this in regards to asking acro to "blueclaim": On March 23 2012 07:40 gumshoe wrote: Hey guys, sorry i haven't checked in yet been busy with school(finals next week) anyways in regard to the blue thing, I did it because in my last game jackal was about to be lynched when he revealed the name of his character, thats what ended up setting us back on track. So I thought a similar thing could help Acro, I was also looking to see if he'd name the role and not the character, which would be a dead giveaway. It was a dumb plan, and I'm sorry but I still think acro is scum, what I especialy liked was how he pretty much assumed I was scum for accusing him and flipped out, I think he was trying to deflect the susiciun on him onto me, but hounestley its my own fault for letting him. If anyone has any more specific questions for me I should be reachable now he says he asked acro to role claim because he thought it would "help" him like it did with jackal in a previous game where it got the town back on track. But then he says he thinks acro is mafia? That makes no sense because Why would he help someone he thought was mafia? And even though he straight up says "I still think acro is scum", he decides to only FoS him and votes layabout instead. Off the really bad reasoning of "he might be aggressive scum or reckless town but he's dangerous as scum so let's lynch". why not just go find someone else that he thought is more likely to be scum? Like acro. At the same time though, he did not vote day 2 and has not posted since. I don't think a mafia member would risk a mod kill like that which is why I am undecided between him and lyter. Lyter, in a similar vein, has referenced acro a lot and defended him while being completely worthless, which is what seperates him from evantree. In particular, he posted this: On March 25 2012 22:58 Lyter wrote: Show nested quote + On March 25 2012 19:38 Xatalos wrote: So, Risen is pretty much either a Detective or Mafia...? I can't think of any reason why a non-Detective townie would act like he does at the moment. And I'm not entirely sure why a Mafia player would either (unless he's just desperate or something?). However, he seems to completely ignore the option of Acrofales being a Miller or framed, which makes me think he's a Mafia player (or a hasty and suicidal Detective). Also, his wish to end the day 2 ahead of time is pretty suspicious, since why would a townie ever want that? I'm not really sure about his lynching, since there is a possibility of losing a Detective without gaining much (it doesn't yet make Acrofales Mafia, or prove anyone's innocence). But since there is a good chance of him being Mafia, or putting the pressure on Acrofales if he is a Detective, it doesn't seem like as bad a lynch as layabout. Since everyone seems to think gumshoe is innocent (for some reason), it wouldn't be of much use to vote for him anyway. I'll check back later to reconsider my vote, though. Hopefully there has been some more productive discussion and analysis by then, or even a better lynch target than Risen. ##Vote Risen I can get behind the part about acro being possibly framed, looking back over day 1 he got a lot of flak for his overly defensive start and I would hazard a guess that he would be pretty high on the priority list for a detective to check out, hence also high for a framer to frame. But a detective should know that too, and hence I don't believe a detective should ever go after someone that was as in the limelight as Acro was because said risk is much greater. Which kinda makes me lean onto Risen being scummy combined with how ridiculously focussed he is on his theory that doesn't actually make much sense at all considering it is no way certain that Acro flips opposite to Risen. that he later backs off here in his "i'm contributing!" but not really post: On March 27 2012 09:20 Lyter wrote: Alright my reasoning for voting Risen isn't particularly mindblowing, I don't think there's much that hasn't already been said about him. I think a lynch on him is just plain sensible at this point. If he is lynched, and flips town, then he will be DT because there is no reason to claim it and then be something else, that is just anti-town. So of course the other option is he flips mafia, and hurrah you killed a scum. If he flips DT like his claim, then no doubt he has checked Acro, the only issue is whether something else occurred that night like a framing which at least provides a slight positive in that you know there is some manipulative role out there. I think him creating a heck of a lot of spam taking up practically all of day 2's discussion is a pretty scummy move, would it not be wiser as a DT to just take note that you checked someone and they came up scum and maybe use that at a later more critical time? Part of me thinks it would be smarter to lynch acro then get risen day 3 if acro flips town, but that is only the case if we don't give any value to way Risen has acted over day 2 and just say its 50/50. But I think in this case he's been so destructive to progress that he kinda has to go before acro because it makes he comes across much shadier, trying to divert town attention away from something else that we may have have missed from the events of day/night 1. As a footnote, I am still suspicious of ON but given that he's been replaced by Jitsu, I am willing to give him another cycle (since this one was cut short) to reevaluate. | ||
Curu
Canada2817 Posts
March 29 2012 23:59 GMT
#1234
Day 4 Up in the peaks of the Eyrie, the air is clear and refreshing, the sky a crisp unblemished blue. Except for that one dot streaking through the sky. Oh it's screaming. And then it went splat. Mattchew as Lysa Arryn, Lady of the Vale, Town Jailkeeper was hacked to pieces. + Show Spoiler [Role PM] + Hello and welcome to A Game of Thrones Mafia! You are Lysa Arryn, Lady of the Vale, Town Jailkeeper. ![]() Special Ability The Sky Cells: The Eyrie is arguably the most impenetrable fortress in the realm, its high peaks and treacherous mountainside strong deterents to any unwelcome visitors. As such prisoners locked up in the sky cells are doomed to stay there, unable to reach or be reached by anyone until they are released. You may jail a target of your choice each night, roleblocking them and preventing any actions from affecting them. You win when all the Mafia have been eliminated. NOTE: I forgot to change the wording in his role PM, the actual role was consistent with the one in the OP (roleblock and 1 KP protection). gumshoe has been replaced by Kohbee. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
March 30 2012 00:03 GMT
#1235
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
March 30 2012 00:18 GMT
#1236
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
March 30 2012 00:21 GMT
#1237
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Kohbee
United States155 Posts
March 30 2012 00:46 GMT
#1238
In my previous life as gumshoe I just left the game completely. I guess you can call that lurking but I would like to start fresh with you all. A lot of you are definately on to something reading into Zealos and Xatalos. Personally I believe heavily in the cases presented by Mattchew, Jitsu, and to some extent chaoser. I think that those 2 should be our primary candidates for lynching unless another case that is stronger on someone is presented. My vote right now would go to Zealos but being new to the game I would like to gather some other opinions as I re-read through the thread more carefully. | ||
Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
March 30 2012 07:22 GMT
#1239
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
March 30 2012 07:27 GMT
#1240
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