EPTThis analysis is not focused in wording, but rather the way he weird way the approaches and lynches and his flippy/floppy behavior in general.
I need to say that Gunman has been the least innovative player in the thread until the last post he made. By the same standards, he has been the most bandwagony as well.
His first posts in the game are the usual fluffy lynch policies stuff. I won't bother in covering that.
Do you remember the sniped vote incident?
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On March 03 2012 08:35 Mementoss wrote:
Gunman, did you honestly think this would go un-noticed?
I thought I would go eat and give you time to give some time to give reasoning in the thread. Its been a half hour. You'd think you would post reasoning before running straight to the vote thread. You do realize voting without trying to at least convince your case/state your opinions in the thread is very suspicious play? The below is hardly reasoning.
This vote seems very selfish, and mafia motivated. Give some more reasoning behind this choice and why is this vote a better vote than OtoshmonoU? Why didn't you like the OtoshmonoU evidence that was given by a couple different people in this thread. It seems like you wanted vote without bringing attention to yourself, and to split the town into a no-lynch situation.
You even said it yourself, if your going to lynch you need a strong case. What is your strong case in this situation? Later in the above quote you said lynching a lurker would be better than lynching without a strong case, however your reasoning behind voting tiystus didn't mention anything about you thinking him, because he was a lurker. And if you were to vote for a lurker, wouldn't Beorn be a better case as he has the least amount of posts, and has given no kind of read yet?
Your move gunman.
Gunman, did you honestly think this would go un-noticed?
I thought I would go eat and give you time to give some time to give reasoning in the thread. Its been a half hour. You'd think you would post reasoning before running straight to the vote thread. You do realize voting without trying to at least convince your case/state your opinions in the thread is very suspicious play? The below is hardly reasoning.
This vote seems very selfish, and mafia motivated. Give some more reasoning behind this choice and why is this vote a better vote than OtoshmonoU? Why didn't you like the OtoshmonoU evidence that was given by a couple different people in this thread. It seems like you wanted vote without bringing attention to yourself, and to split the town into a no-lynch situation.
You even said it yourself, if your going to lynch you need a strong case. What is your strong case in this situation? Later in the above quote you said lynching a lurker would be better than lynching without a strong case, however your reasoning behind voting tiystus didn't mention anything about you thinking him, because he was a lurker. And if you were to vote for a lurker, wouldn't Beorn be a better case as he has the least amount of posts, and has given no kind of read yet?
Your move gunman.
His reply:
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On March 03 2012 08:56 gunman103 wrote:
Alright, I'll change my vote. I suppose I didn't really get a good enough read on oto and focused to much on lurkers. Now that I look at his posts, he does look suspicious. I suppose I thought that lynching a lurker would be better than killing a potential town because lynching a lurker wouldn't actually hurt us all that much because they don't add anything to the discussion, where as if we he turns out to be town, we wouldn't get his input.
Alright, I'll change my vote. I suppose I didn't really get a good enough read on oto and focused to much on lurkers. Now that I look at his posts, he does look suspicious. I suppose I thought that lynching a lurker would be better than killing a potential town because lynching a lurker wouldn't actually hurt us all that much because they don't add anything to the discussion, where as if we he turns out to be town, we wouldn't get his input.
What is really weird here is that he didn't even tried to make any justification regarding that vote to Tiystus. He was practically overwhelmed by mementoss with a simple ''Alright, I'll change my vote.'' This is just wrong. As a town player you need to push your reads and make a clear decision.
His read on Tiystus then was weak. He claimed that he was focusing too much on lurkers. Tiystus right then was NOT the biggest lurker so far. Oto was actually worse than Tiy. He even says that he didn't really took a look to Oto. If I remember, you said you would focus on the lurkers and you completely missed Oto case. That could mean that you either did not follow the thread correctly or you knew oto was town, if you know what I mean.
I asked him for an explanation why he wants to lynch oto:
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On March 03 2012 09:50 gunman103 wrote:
The main reason I am voting for him is because of what he said in this post
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"Mr.Maverick and Mementoss are controlling the game and thoughts of the game in the Town's perspective. It's possible that they are using an aggressive method of mafia using long persuasive paragraphs"
It seems to me like he was trying to turn the town against the ones who were directing and keeping the town on track at the time. It seemed like he was trying to destabilize the whole town by getting rid of Maverick and Mementoss, allowing the mafia to just lurk as we fought among ourselves.
"I don't feel the suspicion from neither lurkers nor the accused, they are just new and will not be able to write long constructive ideas without a single clue of evidence nor understanding the underlying message of people's posts."
It seems as though he is defending his mafia friends using the argument that they are new and will naturally stay quiet, a weak argument imo. Even if he is town, I don't follow his logic because lurkers are almost always bad and usually shouldn't be tolerated because they add nothing to the game.
The main reason I am voting for him is because of what he said in this post
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Just a small opinion, Mr.Maverick and Mementoss are controlling the game and thoughts of the game in the Town's perspective. It's possible that they are using an aggressive method of mafia using long persuasive paragraphs . I read Maverick's post and feel he has absolute trust and certainty in Mementoss's accusations and posts. Maybe they just have a connection and my theory is wrong. It's true that they do have a connection and it does to me, seem very strong even if they might be just fellow towns that understand each other's logic. I don't feel the suspicion from neither lurkers nor the accused, they are just new and will not be able to write long constructive ideas without a single clue of evidence nor understanding the underlying message of people's posts. So what I see Mementoss has been giving pressure and Maverick is the back up. As scums they have nothing to gain by saying nothing and not gaining the control of the situation whenever. Those two have most likely the highest amount of posts that will swerve opinions over people. Also Maverick, you need to write something about your own behaviors in your own organization sheet or you just seem to avoid any fault in your own posts.
"Mr.Maverick and Mementoss are controlling the game and thoughts of the game in the Town's perspective. It's possible that they are using an aggressive method of mafia using long persuasive paragraphs"
It seems to me like he was trying to turn the town against the ones who were directing and keeping the town on track at the time. It seemed like he was trying to destabilize the whole town by getting rid of Maverick and Mementoss, allowing the mafia to just lurk as we fought among ourselves.
"I don't feel the suspicion from neither lurkers nor the accused, they are just new and will not be able to write long constructive ideas without a single clue of evidence nor understanding the underlying message of people's posts."
It seems as though he is defending his mafia friends using the argument that they are new and will naturally stay quiet, a weak argument imo. Even if he is town, I don't follow his logic because lurkers are almost always bad and usually shouldn't be tolerated because they add nothing to the game.
Look how unsure is he of his actions. Why wasn't he so wishy/washy when he attempted to lynch Tiystus? I need to add that this reasoning was exactly the same as Dimmuklok and I gave. These arguments were loosely based on ours. This is not contributing, is bandwagoning.
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On March 02 2012 12:59 gunman103 wrote:
Can you at least give us a reason for wanting to lynch me and Oto?
Can you at least give us a reason for wanting to lynch me and Oto?
Here he called out Sufficiency. He never pressured him again after that.
On March 04 2012 10:43 gunman103 wrote:
I FoS Oto for the reasons I said in my earlier post. Also, he was very suspicious of maverick and mementoss, but didn't vote. It could be that he is town but just forgot, but that's doubtful seeing as how everyone was talking about it. It's more likely that he chose not to vote. He has also not given an excuse or reason to why he didn't vote. I'm also keeping an eye on bubbles. He also was very defensive of oto and agreed with him about suspecting maverick (which no one else did). If we lynch one, then the other will most likely be the same alignment.
I FoS Oto for the reasons I said in my earlier post. Also, he was very suspicious of maverick and mementoss, but didn't vote. It could be that he is town but just forgot, but that's doubtful seeing as how everyone was talking about it. It's more likely that he chose not to vote. He has also not given an excuse or reason to why he didn't vote. I'm also keeping an eye on bubbles. He also was very defensive of oto and agreed with him about suspecting maverick (which no one else did). If we lynch one, then the other will most likely be the same alignment.
Now he says then he is keeping an eye on bubbles. Zero reads/analysis/cases as well
But this is the post that kinda blew me away:
On March 06 2012 13:40 gunman103 wrote:
Out of all of the people you listed, Rainmaker is definetly most suspicious and the most likely to be scum. I propose that we lynch rainmaker when day 3 comes around. Even if he is town, which he probably isn't, what are we really going to lose? A useless lurker who hasn't posted anything in almost 3 real life days, who also promised an analysis that never came. I really doubt that trackdoor and maverick are scum. If we lynched either of them, it would be a loss for all of us. It is possible that dimmuklok is scum, but again, it's doubtful compared to rainmaker. As for me, make up your own mind, but I think rainmaker should certainly be the next person to look hard at.
Out of all of the people you listed, Rainmaker is definetly most suspicious and the most likely to be scum. I propose that we lynch rainmaker when day 3 comes around. Even if he is town, which he probably isn't, what are we really going to lose? A useless lurker who hasn't posted anything in almost 3 real life days, who also promised an analysis that never came. I really doubt that trackdoor and maverick are scum. If we lynched either of them, it would be a loss for all of us. It is possible that dimmuklok is scum, but again, it's doubtful compared to rainmaker. As for me, make up your own mind, but I think rainmaker should certainly be the next person to look hard at.
1) They very fast and openly willing way of him trying to push a lynch, compared with his previous 'accusations'. He tries to look so, but so confident trying to push this lynch. And again, me and other players already started being suspicious of him. Again, repeating the same ideas we have made.
2) Why didn't he notice that bubbles weren't on that list when he actually in the past he wanted to keep an eye on him?
3) He says that Dimmuklok could be scum, but the justification he uses is to retract his fact is rain case. He didn't even bothered to say why does he looks scummy. Instead, jumped straight out to Rain.
So, to sum it up, gunman has been really uncooperative. He doesn't push out his suspicions. He throws off names instead and jump in what's hot.
This case can be supported with the fact of Mementoss death. His previous suspicions on Gum might have triggered the alarm to mafia, rather and his activity.
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I'm reading Willz case now. Sorry If I took too long posting this anyways. Damn you homework...
