On February 11 2012 02:23 RayzorFlash wrote: I think the whole Schworz drama will likely clear itself out tonight, or at least give us more concrete information instead of like, 7 people throwing out either what they think, or random claims that don't make sense...
I was working on an analysis of Chaoser, and his actions on Day 1 don't seem that scummy to me, but the hard Day 2 push to set up a lynch after Sheth is lynched seems reallyyyyy scummy... I don't have a solid opinion on that yet, and I still think we lynch Sheth today to verify Radfield.
Oh and, I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but Palmar can't POSSIBLY be as crazy as he's posting with randomly not remembering stuff he did the previous day. Methinks he has some sort of role text restriction that gives him split personality disorder / lunacy... The characters that might work well with such a restriction (disregarding other peoples claims, and actual logic) are: Joker, Harley Quinn, Scarecrow (different night personality than day maybe?), Two-face, Calendar Man, and Clayface... None of the mafia power-roles seem to logically work with this restriction, so I'm inclined to lean very slightly towards Palmar being town (or i'm totally off-base with my logic... lol)
Scummy post detected.
He tries to dismiss a situation that has an enormous amount of WIFOM, but also some info to be snatched. Then he says that Chaoser setting up a chain lynch is really scummy. Notice how he doesn t agree or disagree with Palmar. He wants to keep safe, not taking sides. He then states that Sheth should still be lynched today, to verify radfield. But if Palmar is town, which he certainly seems now, Radfield is black, or the scum DT, Ra s. Ra s is a very important role for scum, he wouldnt put himself at risk by claiming DT. So no desperate need to confirm Rad, we can vig sheth anyways.
Then this poster speculates insaneness and whatnot. Clearly bullshit.
But if Palmar is town, which he certainly seems now, Radfield is black, or the scum DT, Ra s.
If palmar is town then Radfield is black. That's it. Palmar said his shot is unblockable by mafia. Therefore if palmar is town then radfield can't be red since palmar shot at him and he did not die.
Therefore, if Radfield is red, then palmar can't be town
But if Palmar is town, which he certainly seems now, Radfield is black, or the scum DT, Ra s.
If palmar is town then Radfield is black. That's it. Palmar said his shot is unblockable by mafia. Therefore if palmar is town then radfield can't be red since palmar shot at him and he did not die.
Therefore, if Radfield is red, then palmar can't be town
This is correct.
In addition, since the simplest explanation is that Radfield is black, you're both red and an idiot.
But if Palmar is town, which he certainly seems now, Radfield is black, or the scum DT, Ra s.
If palmar is town then Radfield is black. That's it. Palmar said his shot is unblockable by mafia. Therefore if palmar is town then radfield can't be red since palmar shot at him and he did not die.
Therefore, if Radfield is red, then palmar can't be town
This is correct.
In addition, since the simplest explanation is that Radfield is black, you're both red and an idiot.
lol. So you're going to double down on the "Chaoser is trying to set up a lynch that he has no control over setting up?" logic? Cause only batman has control over that setup up lol.
Also, here's a Femshep trailer that came out today cause she's boss
On February 11 2012 02:24 Jayjay54 wrote: whatever, too much speculation.
You wanna lynch bugs, kurumi?
Who do you want to see dead doc?
Sheth. The case I'd potentially make could change wildly depending on that flip, so I don't feel the need to make a bunch of extraneous cases and accusations. I'll use the rest of the time in the day to actually catch up on what I missed D1 and sort all these arguments out in my mind. I'll say more at night near the deadline in case I die. I'll likely make a case on 2 or so people.
I hope medics will keep me alive tonight so I can push it throughout the next day but since the lynch is basically resolved today there's not much for me to do today other than keep up pressure where I feel it's appropriate.
On February 11 2012 02:33 chaoser wrote: The setup only works if palmar doesn't die. And that isn't controlled by mafia, it's controlled by batman. So it would make no sense if I was mafia to try to set up a lynch off something that I wouldn't even be in control of.
This is true... But Batman might not even go after Joker if its confirmed though, he might start working on finding out who Hugo is, leaving Joker to be killed by Mafia or lynched by town. He doesn't need to kill Joker right now if he already knows who he is and can kill him at any time... Thus, the lynch wouldn't be controlled by Batman either... There is definitely a possibility that Palmar remains alive after tonight...
On February 11 2012 02:35 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Scummy post detected.
He tries to dismiss a situation that has an enormous amount of WIFOM, but also some info to be snatched. Then he says that Chaoser setting up a chain lynch is really scummy. Notice how he doesn t agree or disagree with Palmar. He wants to keep safe, not taking sides. He then states that Sheth should still be lynched today, to verify radfield. But if Palmar is town, which he certainly seems now, Radfield is black, or the scum DT, Ra s. Ra s is a very important role for scum, he wouldnt put himself at risk by claiming DT. So no desperate need to confirm Rad, we can vig sheth anyways.
Then this poster speculates insaneness and whatnot. Clearly bullshit.
- Sure theres info to be snatched, but read the past few pages and you'll see that nearly all of it is just rampant speculation on something that, really, there is no chance of addressing right now anyway (I don't think you get lynched today that is, I think today's lynch has more or less been set since Rad's claim)... Gathering info is fine, but WIFOM speculation is pointless, thread-cluttering, and confusing
- I agree with Palmar, but I'm not sure enough of my opinion to immediately vote Chaoser, mostly because his Day 1 actions (except for a pretty weak reason to switch his vote to C_C) don't seem scummy to me... I'm gonna keep an eye on him though, two if I can spare them
- I don't think anyone is town, except maybe Toad... Palmar could be lying again, in which case everything we think we know breaks down. There are multiple possibilities. What you're saying is true if Palmar is saying the truth, then Rad is either black or Ra's, If Palmar is faking his shot, or even just faking the fact that it is unblockable, suddenly Rad could be black, green, or even red fake-claiming DT... I entered this game with an "everyone is guilty until proven innocent" mentality because of how many stupid mislynches I supported in my first game, lol...
On February 11 2012 02:33 chaoser wrote: The setup only works if palmar doesn't die. And that isn't controlled by mafia, it's controlled by batman. So it would make no sense if I was mafia to try to set up a lynch off something that I wouldn't even be in control of.
This is true... But Batman might not even go after Joker if its confirmed though, he might start working on finding out who Hugo is, leaving Joker to be killed by Mafia or lynched by town. He doesn't need to kill Joker right now if he already knows who he is and can kill him at any time... Thus, the lynch wouldn't be controlled by Batman either... There is definitely a possibility that Palmar remains alive after tonight...
What? That is the definition of controlled by Batman. If he doesn't kill Palmar THEN I would be able to push for a lynch on Palmar. If he DOES kill palmar then I can't. Since I have no idea what batman would do, I can't setup a chain-lynch, it depends on Batman.
See how ridiculous it is to say that I'm mafia because I'm posting to set up a lynch on palmar and Radfield?
Especially when I don't even control the setup? Batman might not go kill the joker. Or he might. Why the fuck would I, if I was mafia, try to set up a lynch that depends 100% on what a third party does? How does that make logical sense?
Agree much or not at all? I'd say there's errors in there but I'd say it's looking quite accurate tbh. Haven't looked into jaybrundage, evantrees, -.-qualis, Katina and Adam yet. So if idk about those people. I still don't know what to think about VE but honestly the fact that I haven't found a thing that makes me think he is scum yet worries me a little. Maybe I'm getting better at judging him or he's really looking at what he's posting.
On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote: ##Unvote Liquid'Sheth ##Vote chaoser
I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are
Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf...
what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list. How is that a ninja vote.
On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote: ##Unvote Liquid'Sheth ##Vote chaoser
I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are
Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf...
what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list. How is that a ninja vote.
you didn't announce your vote hence it's a "ninja vote"
also, not lynching sheth today would be fucking stupid
Anyone who switches off of Sheth from this point on is scum. Period. Palmar. You're a fuck. We can lynch chaoser tomorrow if there are shenanigans. Sheth dies. Today. I told you to tunnel ME today so the Sheth lynch went through. WTF bro?
On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote: ##Unvote Liquid'Sheth ##Vote chaoser
I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are
Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf...
what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list. How is that a ninja vote.
I looked through your filter and the first time you mention me at all is:
On February 10 2012 19:51 wherebugsgo wrote: I think my only hope is that chaoser and kitaman are town this game.
Otherwise I think this is a town loss.
pretty sure if that's how it is we already auto-lossed Don't know about kita yet but I'd say chaoser is mafia tbh.
7 Hours ago. Definitely not since day 1. And you never give any justification for it. You've been pretty vocal with your other mafia reads since day 1 though. This is definitely a ninja vote.
On February 11 2012 03:13 Palmar wrote: the entire premise for changing from sheth to chaoser is sheth is not scum.
I think we're looking at something more along the lines of Chaoser, Kitaman27, Hiro Protagonist, Forumite, VisceraEyes and maybe jayjay? or katina?
i know. That's the reason I said there's errors in there but I don't really want to think of sheth as a townie either. However if sheth were to flip mafia today I'd still want to lynch Chaoser. Not sure about the opposite.
On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote: ##Unvote Liquid'Sheth ##Vote chaoser
I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are
Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf...
what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list. How is that a ninja vote.
I looked through your filter and the first time you mention me at all is:
On February 10 2012 19:51 wherebugsgo wrote: I think my only hope is that chaoser and kitaman are town this game.
Otherwise I think this is a town loss.
pretty sure if that's how it is we already auto-lossed Don't know about kita yet but I'd say chaoser is mafia tbh.
7 Hours ago. Definitely not since day 1. And you never give any justification for it. You've been pretty vocal with your other mafia reads since day 1 though. This is definitely a ninja vote.
I'm only vocal about the ones I want to get lynched right now. I figured it's not a bad idea to give my orange and red reads out and ask people about them now because I'm still immortal and hey, it gives something to discuss. Or since I am not making sense to people they can at least look at my list and tell if they look me from what I put on that list. Also I'm checking my filter right now, give me a second.
Palmar is being ridiculous. Sheth needs to die. He's scum for sure. I don't give a shit about the check, I've had a scum read on Sheth the whole fucking game. The fact that he's actively trying to derail what I consider to be the ONLY lynch for today makes my ass twitch.
Please don't take away my Sheth lynch for a second time.
EPT
