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On February 11 2012 03:18 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 03:13 Palmar wrote:
the entire premise for changing from sheth to chaoser is sheth is not scum.
I think we're looking at something more along the lines of Chaoser, Kitaman27, Hiro Protagonist, Forumite, VisceraEyes and maybe jayjay? or katina? i know. That's the reason I said there's errors in there but I don't really want to think of sheth as a townie either. However if sheth were to flip mafia today I'd still want to lynch Chaoser. Not sure about the opposite.
....?????
Da fuk? How does that make any sense?
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my post from earlier when I was talking with schworz:
On February 11 2012 01:23 Toadesstern wrote:
that's not exactly helping Schworz. I am a townie and I am not trying to find something out I am not supposed to know.
But Palmar tells me to shut up so I'll shut up for now. I'm up for lynching chaoser as well, he's the only one that made it to my "KILL IT WITH FIRE"-list while all 7 other people I think might end up flipping mafia are only on my "probably mafia"-list.
How is it a ninja vote? If you are talking about the fact that I didn't mention Chaoser earlier fine, can't do a thing about it and I surly won't just post a list of all names from now on on day-1's to make sure I am allowed to vote someone. But I'm pretty sure I mentioned you earlier as well. At least I said something along the lines that I don't like or. Not sure though. I'm not going to go trough my massive filter just because of that ;p
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On February 11 2012 03:21 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 03:18 chaoser wrote:On February 11 2012 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:On February 11 2012 03:04 RayzorFlash wrote:On February 11 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote:
##Unvote Liquid'Sheth
##Vote chaoser I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf... what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list. How is that a ninja vote. I looked through your filter and the first time you mention me at all is: On February 10 2012 19:58 Toadesstern wrote:On February 10 2012 19:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think my only hope is that chaoser and kitaman are town this game.
Otherwise I think this is a town loss. pretty sure if that's how it is we already auto-lossed  Don't know about kita yet but I'd say chaoser is mafia tbh. 7 Hours ago. Definitely not since day 1. And you never give any justification for it. You've been pretty vocal with your other mafia reads since day 1 though. This is definitely a ninja vote. I'm only vocal about the ones I want to get lynched right now. I figured it's not a bad idea to give my orange and red reads out and ask people about them now because I'm still immortal and hey, it gives something to discuss. Or since I am not making sense to people they can at least look at my list and tell if they look me from what I put on that list. Also I'm checking my filter right now, give me a second.
Except you didn't "give your orange and red reads". You didn't "ask people about them". You weren't "vocal". You ninja-voted me and then said I was on your
"KILL IT WITH FIRE" list
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On February 11 2012 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 03:04 RayzorFlash wrote:On February 11 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote:
##Unvote Liquid'Sheth
##Vote chaoser I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf... what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list.How is that a ninja vote.
You said that. And yet don't mention me till only a few hours ago. You give no justification and you're misrepresenting what you did.
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On February 11 2012 03:24 Toadesstern wrote:my post from earlier when I was talking with schworz: Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 01:23 Toadesstern wrote:
that's not exactly helping Schworz. I am a townie and I am not trying to find something out I am not supposed to know.
But Palmar tells me to shut up so I'll shut up for now. I'm up for lynching chaoser as well, he's the only one that made it to my "KILL IT WITH FIRE"-list while all 7 other people I think might end up flipping mafia are only on my "probably mafia"-list. How is it a ninja vote? If you are talking about the fact that I didn't mention Chaoser earlier fine, can't do a thing about it and I surly won't just post a list of all names from now on on day-1's to make sure I am allowed to vote someone. But I'm pretty sure I mentioned you earlier as well. At least I said something along the lines that I don't like or. Not sure though. I'm not going to go trough my massive filter just because of that ;p
Stop trying to discuss this.
Post something that is coherent and pro-town.
And put your vote back on sheth.
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On February 11 2012 03:27 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:On February 11 2012 03:04 RayzorFlash wrote:On February 11 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote:
##Unvote Liquid'Sheth
##Vote chaoser I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf... what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list.How is that a ninja vote. You said that. And yet don't mention me till only a few hours ago. You give no justification and you're misrepresenting what you did.
I told you I don't talk about all my red reads vocally. I only talked about those I thought might be viable d1. That was CC / laya for me. I did not mention you d1 because I saw no need to do so. Doesn't stop me from putting you on my super secret list anyways.
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On February 11 2012 03:24 Toadesstern wrote:my post from earlier when I was talking with schworz: Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 01:23 Toadesstern wrote:
that's not exactly helping Schworz. I am a townie and I am not trying to find something out I am not supposed to know.
But Palmar tells me to shut up so I'll shut up for now. I'm up for lynching chaoser as well, he's the only one that made it to my "KILL IT WITH FIRE"-list while all 7 other people I think might end up flipping mafia are only on my "probably mafia"-list. How is it a ninja vote? If you are talking about the fact that I didn't mention Chaoser earlier fine, can't do a thing about it and I surly won't just post a list of all names from now on on day-1's to make sure I am allowed to vote someone. But I'm pretty sure I mentioned you earlier as well. At least I said something along the lines that I don't like or. Not sure though. I'm not going to go trough my massive filter just because of that ;p
LOLOL. Well I DID go through your filter and you never once mentioned my name previously. In fact, someone asked you your opinion about me before my first post and you ignored talking about me completely. When I asked you questions during the night time about your claim you answered with no hint of suspicion against me and you never once posted anything resembling a scum read on me until 7 hours ago in response to WBG saying he thinks I'm townie. Then you voted for me without saying shit in this thread? lol ok.
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On February 11 2012 03:24 Toadesstern wrote:my post from earlier when I was talking with schworz: Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 01:23 Toadesstern wrote:
that's not exactly helping Schworz. I am a townie and I am not trying to find something out I am not supposed to know.
But Palmar tells me to shut up so I'll shut up for now. I'm up for lynching chaoser as well, he's the only one that made it to my "KILL IT WITH FIRE"-list while all 7 other people I think might end up flipping mafia are only on my "probably mafia"-list. How is it a ninja vote? If you are talking about the fact that I didn't mention Chaoser earlier fine, can't do a thing about it and I surly won't just post a list of all names from now on on day-1's to make sure I am allowed to vote someone. But I'm pretty sure I mentioned you earlier as well. At least I said something along the lines that I don't like or. Not sure though. I'm not going to go trough my massive filter just because of that ;p
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On February 11 2012 03:35 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 03:24 Toadesstern wrote:my post from earlier when I was talking with schworz: On February 11 2012 01:23 Toadesstern wrote:
that's not exactly helping Schworz. I am a townie and I am not trying to find something out I am not supposed to know.
But Palmar tells me to shut up so I'll shut up for now. I'm up for lynching chaoser as well, he's the only one that made it to my "KILL IT WITH FIRE"-list while all 7 other people I think might end up flipping mafia are only on my "probably mafia"-list. How is it a ninja vote? If you are talking about the fact that I didn't mention Chaoser earlier fine, can't do a thing about it and I surly won't just post a list of all names from now on on day-1's to make sure I am allowed to vote someone. But I'm pretty sure I mentioned you earlier as well. At least I said something along the lines that I don't like or. Not sure though. I'm not going to go trough my massive filter just because of that ;p
So you're basically saying you can't be criticized for any of your votes even if you've never mentioned them before because you have them all "on a super secret list" and so they're justified?
You're an idiot.
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1. Everyone stays on Sheth
2. Lynch Radfield tomorrow if Sheth flips town
3. ???
4. Profit.
We're already on the winning path guys, no need to deviate. Don't fix what's not broken.
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WBG ENTERING THE THREAD IN
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I really don't see why you're making a big deal out of this chaoser / layabout...
What's the problem? You're making it look like a ninja-voted (which I did not!) 10 seconds before deadline. I changed my vote because I thought Chaoser is mafia as well and I'm fine going after the big fish.
You're making it look like I'm lying when I said that I thought chaoser is mafia as well. What's the big deal about that? Think I'm trying to get towncred telling people I KNEW ALL ALONG HE'S MAFIA afterwards? Oh guess saying that is not a good idea is it? If you end up mafia I am one of the guys who swapped early which is not a problem for me. If you end up town I do see a problem with your logic because obviously I can't go for towncred if I am lynching a townie now can I?
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On February 11 2012 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
1. Everyone stays on Sheth
2. Lynch Radfield tomorrow if Sheth flips town
3. ???
4. Profit.
We're already on the winning path guys, no need to deviate. Don't fix what's not broken.
oh man, this is like the first time ever, I agree with you.
This really feels like town had too much time to think about who to lynch and now they start to randomly stroll.
Sheth flips red, if he doesn't we'll have a 99% scum lynch in radfield the next day.
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On February 11 2012 03:30 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 03:27 chaoser wrote:On February 11 2012 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:On February 11 2012 03:04 RayzorFlash wrote:On February 11 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote:
##Unvote Liquid'Sheth
##Vote chaoser I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf... what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list.How is that a ninja vote. You said that. And yet don't mention me till only a few hours ago. You give no justification and you're misrepresenting what you did. I told you I don't talk about all my red reads vocally. I only talked about those I thought might be viable d1. That was CC / laya for me. I did not mention you d1 because I saw no need to do so. Doesn't stop me from putting you on my super secret list anyways.
You talked about layabout and C_C A LOT.
On February 07 2012 19:27 Toadesstern wrote:
not sure yet. Probably someone out of CC / layabout. If neither of those 2 is going to be an option I'd be happy to lynch BM / Kenpachi / Palmar instead.
On February 07 2012 22:29 Toadesstern wrote:I'd like to hear why you think layabout is town Palmar. Not sure if you're going to reply but I might as well just try and post a bit: He either does posts like this: + Show Spoiler [useless bullshit that mafia can do wit…] +On February 07 2012 02:32 layabout wrote:
please be civil children On February 07 2012 01:45 layabout wrote:
Kita, how can batman claim his hits without claiming and being modkilled?
+ there has been a lot of discussion about very little, please cut it out. On February 07 2012 02:56 layabout wrote:
lets all vote for no good reason! or he defends Kenpachi. Sure Kenpachi does this shit everytime and it's nothing special at all but mafia could easily do that as well looking pro town + I don't mind Kenpachi being lynched / shot at all. It's not like we're going to get a better read on him in the next couple of days. Next thing he does is his picture post: + Show Spoiler +On February 07 2012 05:40 layabout wrote:if anybody need help organising their thoughts i have a pretty useful MS paint template: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Q9mkP.png) Next time defending risk.nuke: + Show Spoiler +sure looks nice but again. Saying people look townie is the easiest thing to do as mafia. The only thing that looks townish is the bare effort of linking those 6 games but well, you know me, I'm not going to read something into that :p Next one is a response to VE that's a null and his last post is a CC-Vote. The only things that make him look townie is that fact that VE "found" him and him voting CC. Other than that I see nothing within his posts that could make you think he's townie. Want to explain why you think he's a townie?
On February 07 2012 23:27 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 23:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 07 2012 23:07 Toadesstern wrote:On February 07 2012 23:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Missed one because I CTRL+F 'radfield" and not 'rad'
you also mentioned you didn't like his picks on his list but never actually called him out beyond that. still, it's nothing.
that's because I'm not sure if he did that on purpose and I do not know what to make of it. He might be pulling a wbg on me and everyone else. On February 07 2012 23:02 Jackal58 wrote:On February 07 2012 22:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 07 2012 22:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He wasn't defending risk.nuke he was just posting his meta when someone asks. It's not up to him to prove he's town anyway, why don't you post out how he's so terribly scummy? He's scummy for saying nothing? You've said nothing and not only that you've flat out refused to explain your reasoning when asked directly. Apply that logic you're using against layabout to many other players and you'd reach the same conclusion. yeah but I'd much rather not lynch Radfield d1.And no if I apply the same logic to other people and barly come to the same conclusion. I'm not done reading everyone's filter so I can't say that for people after #17 inr our list because I haven't reread their filters yet and everything I got on them is a gut feeling. Why not? If you feel Radfield is scummy why wouldn't you want to lynch him? I see this sentiment posted in almost every game on here now. I don't want to lynch player X on day one. Fair amount of the time that sentiment has been put forth by people that flipped scum. If somebody looks scummy I'm going to push for their lynch. I don't care who it is. Remember No guts. No gory. I don't like lynching vets d1. Said the same in L. Remember I was the guy telling everyone to not lynch Palmar? I ended up being a townie (a vet) as well. So it really is my opionion. And with rads most recent post I'd even say he's leaning town for me right now. He just posted so little that it's hard to judge. I'm reading that game. It's a shame no one listened to you when you were right, but this isn't a 60 person game, you're gonna get heard. Don't use excuses to stay quiet any longer. And what's the point of even saying anything? You never really accused Radfield of anything so why suck up and praise his towniness unless you're just trying to get town cred yourself I did a little explanation on layabout. Palmar disagrees. I disagree with palmar because I don't think he'd be scared as a townie but I explained a little. It's still day1. You'll read big fancy cases from me d2 and ongoing. Everything I got so far are gut feelings. Given what happened the last few games and how I played those games I'm trusting those gut feelings now, but that doesn't mean that I can explain them on d1 because there's so little going on and so little to analyze. The 2nd group of lynches I told you are only my backup-lynches. That's palmar / BM / Kenpachi / hiro. Palmar is clear for me right now as he thinks the same way about other people but that might change d2 or later. I'm not sure those people will flip red at all. I'd say they're a coinflip and I'd much rather lynch them than a rnd-lurker d1 if we end up not having legit other lynch target because 50/50 is still better than a true-rnd lynch into a lurker.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=509&topic_id=305850
You even say:
It's still day1. You'll read big fancy cases from me d2 and ongoing. Everything I got so far are gut feelings. Given what happened the last few games and how I played those games I'm trusting those gut feelings now, but that doesn't mean that I can explain them on d1 because there's so little going on and so little to analyze.
So while you were able to make big posts about people on D1 when there was "so little to analyze", you're unable to write anything big on me even though you promised "big fancy cases" on D2?
lol ok.
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On February 11 2012 03:45 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 03:30 Toadesstern wrote:On February 11 2012 03:27 chaoser wrote:On February 11 2012 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:On February 11 2012 03:04 RayzorFlash wrote:On February 11 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:On February 11 2012 01:33 Toadesstern wrote:
##Unvote Liquid'Sheth
##Vote chaoser I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf... what? I alread said, Sheth is on my "probably mafia"-list and Chaoser has been on my maybe mafia list d1, was promoted to probably mafia n1 and since d2 he's on my "KILL IT WITH FIRE" list.How is that a ninja vote. You said that. And yet don't mention me till only a few hours ago. You give no justification and you're misrepresenting what you did. I told you I don't talk about all my red reads vocally. I only talked about those I thought might be viable d1. That was CC / laya for me. I did not mention you d1 because I saw no need to do so. Doesn't stop me from putting you on my super secret list anyways. You talked about layabout and C_C A LOT. We ended up lynching CC. How is that contradicting ANYTHING I SAID. Again I am vocal about those people I think might end up being an option for our lynch. CC ended up lynched. Yes I was wrong about him but what's the deal there?Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 19:27 Toadesstern wrote:
not sure yet. Probably someone out of CC / layabout. If neither of those 2 is going to be an option I'd be happy to lynch BM / Kenpachi / Palmar instead. Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 22:29 Toadesstern wrote:I'd like to hear why you think layabout is town Palmar. Not sure if you're going to reply but I might as well just try and post a bit: He either does posts like this: + Show Spoiler [useless bullshit that mafia can do wit…] +On February 07 2012 02:32 layabout wrote:
please be civil children On February 07 2012 01:45 layabout wrote:
Kita, how can batman claim his hits without claiming and being modkilled?
+ there has been a lot of discussion about very little, please cut it out. On February 07 2012 02:56 layabout wrote:
lets all vote for no good reason! or he defends Kenpachi. Sure Kenpachi does this shit everytime and it's nothing special at all but mafia could easily do that as well looking pro town + I don't mind Kenpachi being lynched / shot at all. It's not like we're going to get a better read on him in the next couple of days. Next thing he does is his picture post: + Show Spoiler +On February 07 2012 05:40 layabout wrote:if anybody need help organising their thoughts i have a pretty useful MS paint template: Next time defending risk.nuke: + Show Spoiler +sure looks nice but again. Saying people look townie is the easiest thing to do as mafia. The only thing that looks townish is the bare effort of linking those 6 games but well, you know me, I'm not going to read something into that :p Next one is a response to VE that's a null and his last post is a CC-Vote. The only things that make him look townie is that fact that VE "found" him and him voting CC. Other than that I see nothing within his posts that could make you think he's townie. Want to explain why you think he's a townie? Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 23:27 Toadesstern wrote:On February 07 2012 23:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 07 2012 23:07 Toadesstern wrote:On February 07 2012 23:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Missed one because I CTRL+F 'radfield" and not 'rad'
you also mentioned you didn't like his picks on his list but never actually called him out beyond that. still, it's nothing.
that's because I'm not sure if he did that on purpose and I do not know what to make of it. He might be pulling a wbg on me and everyone else. On February 07 2012 23:02 Jackal58 wrote:On February 07 2012 22:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 07 2012 22:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He wasn't defending risk.nuke he was just posting his meta when someone asks. It's not up to him to prove he's town anyway, why don't you post out how he's so terribly scummy? He's scummy for saying nothing? You've said nothing and not only that you've flat out refused to explain your reasoning when asked directly. Apply that logic you're using against layabout to many other players and you'd reach the same conclusion. yeah but I'd much rather not lynch Radfield d1.And no if I apply the same logic to other people and barly come to the same conclusion. I'm not done reading everyone's filter so I can't say that for people after #17 inr our list because I haven't reread their filters yet and everything I got on them is a gut feeling. Why not? If you feel Radfield is scummy why wouldn't you want to lynch him? I see this sentiment posted in almost every game on here now. I don't want to lynch player X on day one. Fair amount of the time that sentiment has been put forth by people that flipped scum. If somebody looks scummy I'm going to push for their lynch. I don't care who it is. Remember No guts. No gory. I don't like lynching vets d1. Said the same in L. Remember I was the guy telling everyone to not lynch Palmar? I ended up being a townie (a vet) as well. So it really is my opionion. And with rads most recent post I'd even say he's leaning town for me right now. He just posted so little that it's hard to judge. I'm reading that game. It's a shame no one listened to you when you were right, but this isn't a 60 person game, you're gonna get heard. Don't use excuses to stay quiet any longer. And what's the point of even saying anything? You never really accused Radfield of anything so why suck up and praise his towniness unless you're just trying to get town cred yourself I did a little explanation on layabout. Palmar disagrees. I disagree with palmar because I don't think he'd be scared as a townie but I explained a little. It's still day1. You'll read big fancy cases from me d2 and ongoing. Everything I got so far are gut feelings. Given what happened the last few games and how I played those games I'm trusting those gut feelings now, but that doesn't mean that I can explain them on d1 because there's so little going on and so little to analyze. The 2nd group of lynches I told you are only my backup-lynches. That's palmar / BM / Kenpachi / hiro. Palmar is clear for me right now as he thinks the same way about other people but that might change d2 or later. I'm not sure those people will flip red at all. I'd say they're a coinflip and I'd much rather lynch them than a rnd-lurker d1 if we end up not having legit other lynch target because 50/50 is still better than a true-rnd lynch into a lurker. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=509&topic_id=305850You even say: Show nested quote +It's still day1. You'll read big fancy cases from me d2 and ongoing. Everything I got so far are gut feelings. Given what happened the last few games and how I played those games I'm trusting those gut feelings now, but that doesn't mean that I can explain them on d1 because there's so little going on and so little to analyze. So while you were able to make big posts about people on D1 when there was "so little to analyze", you're unable to write anything big on me even though you promised "big fancy cases" on D2? Sry I was busy figuring the shit out that I created yesterday. I was talking with / about Schworz a lot and that had absolute priority for me and I'm still not sure what to think about himlol ok.
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On February 11 2012 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
1. Everyone stays on Sheth
2. Lynch Radfield tomorrow if Sheth flips town and not a miller(insane inmate)
3. ???
4. Profit.
We're already on the winning path guys, no need to deviate. Don't fix what's not broken.
fixed
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On February 11 2012 03:55 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
1. Everyone stays on Sheth
2. Lynch Radfield tomorrow if Sheth flips town and not a miller(insane inmate)
3. ???
4. Profit.
We're already on the winning path guys, no need to deviate. Don't fix what's not broken.
fixed
duh.
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On February 11 2012 04:01 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 03:55 layabout wrote:On February 11 2012 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
1. Everyone stays on Sheth
2. Lynch Radfield tomorrow if Sheth flips town and not a miller(insane inmate)
3. ???
4. Profit.
We're already on the winning path guys, no need to deviate. Don't fix what's not broken.
fixed duh.
well seeing as Palmar was trying to get us to lynch chaoser based on that difference i think it was necessary to add it
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On February 11 2012 03:55 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
1. Everyone stays on Sheth
2. Lynch Radfield tomorrow if Sheth flips town and not a miller(insane inmate)
3. ???
4. Profit.
We're already on the winning path guys, no need to deviate. Don't fix what's not broken.
fixed
That's actually what I meant. Thx.
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fine we still got a DT check from Batman on Sheth. It's not like that's a bad thing to lynch either. I don't agree with Palmars different scenarios he did in his case against Chaoser but I do agree with lynching Chaoser. That being said I don't think it's that unlikely that both sheth and Chaoser are red and therefore I'm back on sheth TO MAKE YOU GUYS HAPPY...
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