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On February 11 2012 02:05 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 02:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm sorry, what makes sense about announcing fake results that I'm mafia and then kept trying to push a case on FAKE CHECK
That's not a town move. It's not. It's not town to say "I don't care if I get lynched cause I can still win." So can scum. You would care about a wasted lynch if you want to win as town. You can't just say "Yeah I got this, it makes sense" when it doesn't make sense to anyone except you. Schworz must be town. Look at Catwoman role description. Then look at Schworz claiming being hit. Then add up things like: -He'd be dead if he wasn't one of vets or Poison Ivy -Since he's alive, he must be one of the vets or Poison Ivy -Since he was trying to get hits on him, and he got info about being hit, he's most likely vet. -CW's best hit was Schworz. It all adds up.
OOOOOR (and I may be thinking out of the box here) he falseclaimed the hit, too?
Scum would propably not shoot him and there are a shitload of shots already. Maybe his wasn't genuine?
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On February 11 2012 02:07 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 02:05 Kurumi wrote:On February 11 2012 02:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm sorry, what makes sense about announcing fake results that I'm mafia and then kept trying to push a case on FAKE CHECK
That's not a town move. It's not. It's not town to say "I don't care if I get lynched cause I can still win." So can scum. You would care about a wasted lynch if you want to win as town. You can't just say "Yeah I got this, it makes sense" when it doesn't make sense to anyone except you. Schworz must be town. Look at Catwoman role description. Then look at Schworz claiming being hit. Then add up things like: -He'd be dead if he wasn't one of vets or Poison Ivy -Since he's alive, he must be one of the vets or Poison Ivy -Since he was trying to get hits on him, and he got info about being hit, he's most likely vet. -CW's best hit was Schworz. It all adds up. OOOOOR (and I may be thinking out of the box here) he falseclaimed the hit, too? Scum would propably not shoot him and there are a shitload of shots already. Maybe his wasn't genuine?
If he lied about the hit he's Poison Ivy.
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On February 11 2012 02:05 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 02:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm sorry, what makes sense about announcing fake results that I'm mafia and then kept trying to push a case on FAKE CHECK
That's not a town move. It's not. It's not town to say "I don't care if I get lynched cause I can still win." So can scum. You would care about a wasted lynch if you want to win as town. You can't just say "Yeah I got this, it makes sense" when it doesn't make sense to anyone except you. Schworz must be town. Look at Catwoman role description. Then look at Schworz claiming being hit. Then add up things like: -He'd be dead if he wasn't one of vets or Poison Ivy -Since he's alive, he must be one of the vets or Poison Ivy -Since he was trying to get hits on him, and he got info about being hit, he's most likely vet. -CW's best hit was Schworz. It all adds up.
He could be Ra's Al Ghul: the thing you said I definitely was. Lol.
OR
He could be Catwoman. CC to draw out the real two-face. Used his DT power on either either Toades/Palmar or somebody else?
How can you be so shortsighted to see town as the only possibility?
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On February 11 2012 02:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm sorry, what makes sense about announcing fake results that I'm mafia and then kept trying to push a case on FAKE CHECK
That's not a town move. It's not. It's not town to say "I don't care if I get lynched cause I can still win." So can scum. You would care about a wasted lynch if you want to win as town. You can't just say "Yeah I got this, it makes sense" when it doesn't make sense to anyone except you.
yeah that's what I'm afraid of. I still think he's not Two-face for a good damn reason. Apparently some people claim to do the same.
I'd say he's a coinflip by now: He's either going to flip red/catwoman (I doubt red) or he's going to flip a some bullshit like a DT or VET or VT that thought it's a good idea to make up a DT check (I'd say that makes VET or VT more likly) on someone he thinks is 99% sure mafia to roll with his Two-Face claim to protect the real two-face and wifom the shit out of catwoman (if it's not him).
I simply doubt that he knew I was about to retract my claim on d1, same about palmar. I thought neither of us got the balls to claim rightfully Two-Face and he might jump in and help us protecting the right Two-Face but he had to do that with passon and a good reason which ironically made palmar and me retract our claims.
SOOOO to sum it up he might flip worst DT ever, he might flip VET/VT who tried to help but didn't think palmar and I am going to retract because he thought we lied as well OR he's going to flip Catwoman/red. While all town options together are as likely as the not town option I guess.
I still don't know what to make of it. If I had a DT who found a blue and fakeclaimed a red-check because he's sure his own read is right without a doubt I'd straight up lynch the guy nevertheless because I'd say he's still a mafia who's just making up bullshit.
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Claiming checks helps me being a DT and not a liar.
I am Two-Face
Guy doesnt claim a DT check tomorrow
Lynch ensues
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On February 11 2012 02:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 02:05 Kurumi wrote:On February 11 2012 02:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm sorry, what makes sense about announcing fake results that I'm mafia and then kept trying to push a case on FAKE CHECK
That's not a town move. It's not. It's not town to say "I don't care if I get lynched cause I can still win." So can scum. You would care about a wasted lynch if you want to win as town. You can't just say "Yeah I got this, it makes sense" when it doesn't make sense to anyone except you. Schworz must be town. Look at Catwoman role description. Then look at Schworz claiming being hit. Then add up things like: -He'd be dead if he wasn't one of vets or Poison Ivy -Since he's alive, he must be one of the vets or Poison Ivy -Since he was trying to get hits on him, and he got info about being hit, he's most likely vet. -CW's best hit was Schworz. It all adds up. He could be Ra's Al Ghul: the thing you said I definitely was. Lol. OR He could be Catwoman. CC to draw out the real two-face. Used his DT power on either either Toades/Palmar or somebody else? How can you be so shortsighted to see town as the only possibility?
Read the description: Catwoman can kill Ra's Al Ghul in one hit.
I guess the second thing is what Two-Face thinks and that's why he did not claim yet.
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If I fake claimed DT I would just say I DT checked one of the people who died. Not make a fake mafia claim. In fact, if I were town, I wouldn't fake claim DT in the first place.
You could have went the vig route with Two-Face too. If this was your plan from the beginning, why choose the harder role to fake?
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you're both kinda right kurumi and docH. Those are the two options I think are legit and I am for now not sure which one.
There's several slips he did that are telling me he 100% sure got a DT power. So I'd personally say it's catwoman but I won't talk about that for now.
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On February 11 2012 02:11 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 02:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 11 2012 02:05 Kurumi wrote:On February 11 2012 02:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm sorry, what makes sense about announcing fake results that I'm mafia and then kept trying to push a case on FAKE CHECK
That's not a town move. It's not. It's not town to say "I don't care if I get lynched cause I can still win." So can scum. You would care about a wasted lynch if you want to win as town. You can't just say "Yeah I got this, it makes sense" when it doesn't make sense to anyone except you. Schworz must be town. Look at Catwoman role description. Then look at Schworz claiming being hit. Then add up things like: -He'd be dead if he wasn't one of vets or Poison Ivy -Since he's alive, he must be one of the vets or Poison Ivy -Since he was trying to get hits on him, and he got info about being hit, he's most likely vet. -CW's best hit was Schworz. It all adds up. He could be Ra's Al Ghul: the thing you said I definitely was. Lol. OR He could be Catwoman. CC to draw out the real two-face. Used his DT power on either either Toades/Palmar or somebody else? How can you be so shortsighted to see town as the only possibility? Read the description: Catwoman can kill Ra's Al Ghul in one hit. I guess the second thing is what Two-Face thinks and that's why he did not claim yet.
MAYBE HIS HIT IS FAKE.
HOW IS THIS NOT A POSSIBILITY. god.
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On February 11 2012 02:13 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 02:11 Kurumi wrote:On February 11 2012 02:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 11 2012 02:05 Kurumi wrote:On February 11 2012 02:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm sorry, what makes sense about announcing fake results that I'm mafia and then kept trying to push a case on FAKE CHECK
That's not a town move. It's not. It's not town to say "I don't care if I get lynched cause I can still win." So can scum. You would care about a wasted lynch if you want to win as town. You can't just say "Yeah I got this, it makes sense" when it doesn't make sense to anyone except you. Schworz must be town. Look at Catwoman role description. Then look at Schworz claiming being hit. Then add up things like: -He'd be dead if he wasn't one of vets or Poison Ivy -Since he's alive, he must be one of the vets or Poison Ivy -Since he was trying to get hits on him, and he got info about being hit, he's most likely vet. -CW's best hit was Schworz. It all adds up. He could be Ra's Al Ghul: the thing you said I definitely was. Lol. OR He could be Catwoman. CC to draw out the real two-face. Used his DT power on either either Toades/Palmar or somebody else? How can you be so shortsighted to see town as the only possibility? Read the description: Catwoman can kill Ra's Al Ghul in one hit. I guess the second thing is what Two-Face thinks and that's why he did not claim yet. MAYBE HIS HIT IS FAKE. HOW IS THIS NOT A POSSIBILITY. god.
THEN HE IS POISON IVY
god.
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Oh, good point. I assumed it was for all vets. Catwoman could have DT'd him before hitting just to be sure but it seems likely to me he is just Catwoman, so I'm going to ignore everything he says unless I'm convinced otherwise.
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On February 11 2012 02:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Oh, good point. I assumed it was for all vets. Catwoman could have DT'd him before hitting just to be sure but it seems likely to me he is just Catwoman, so I'm going to ignore everything he says unless I'm convinced otherwise.
No point in DT-ing. Hit and he's dead Two-Face? Amazing! Hit and he's not dead? That gives CW enough info.
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On February 11 2012 02:17 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 02:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Oh, good point. I assumed it was for all vets. Catwoman could have DT'd him before hitting just to be sure but it seems likely to me he is just Catwoman, so I'm going to ignore everything he says unless I'm convinced otherwise. No point in DT-ing. Hit and he's dead Two-Face? Amazing! Hit and he's not dead? That gives CW enough info.
I agree. It is still a possibility.
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You can't assume everybody will make the right decisions.
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On February 11 2012 02:14 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 02:13 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 11 2012 02:11 Kurumi wrote:On February 11 2012 02:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 11 2012 02:05 Kurumi wrote:On February 11 2012 02:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm sorry, what makes sense about announcing fake results that I'm mafia and then kept trying to push a case on FAKE CHECK
That's not a town move. It's not. It's not town to say "I don't care if I get lynched cause I can still win." So can scum. You would care about a wasted lynch if you want to win as town. You can't just say "Yeah I got this, it makes sense" when it doesn't make sense to anyone except you. Schworz must be town. Look at Catwoman role description. Then look at Schworz claiming being hit. Then add up things like: -He'd be dead if he wasn't one of vets or Poison Ivy -Since he's alive, he must be one of the vets or Poison Ivy -Since he was trying to get hits on him, and he got info about being hit, he's most likely vet. -CW's best hit was Schworz. It all adds up. He could be Ra's Al Ghul: the thing you said I definitely was. Lol. OR He could be Catwoman. CC to draw out the real two-face. Used his DT power on either either Toades/Palmar or somebody else? How can you be so shortsighted to see town as the only possibility? Read the description: Catwoman can kill Ra's Al Ghul in one hit. I guess the second thing is what Two-Face thinks and that's why he did not claim yet. MAYBE HIS HIT IS FAKE. HOW IS THIS NOT A POSSIBILITY. god. THEN HE IS POISON IVY god.
assuming that CW killed him straight away and not DT him. Maybe CW even went for someone else.
So many assumptions. I think he's scum, third doesn't make sense to me, because why would you claim dt then. You got a kp yourself, why risk being lynched.
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I think the whole Schworz drama will likely clear itself out tonight, or at least give us more concrete information instead of like, 7 people throwing out either what they think, or random claims that don't make sense...
I was working on an analysis of Chaoser, and his actions on Day 1 don't seem that scummy to me, but the hard Day 2 push to set up a lynch after Sheth is lynched seems reallyyyyy scummy... I don't have a solid opinion on that yet, and I still think we lynch Sheth today to verify Radfield.
Oh and, I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but Palmar can't POSSIBLY be as crazy as he's posting with randomly not remembering stuff he did the previous day. Methinks he has some sort of role text restriction that gives him split personality disorder / lunacy... The characters that might work well with such a restriction (disregarding other peoples claims, and actual logic) are: Joker, Harley Quinn, Scarecrow (different night personality than day maybe?), Two-face, Calendar Man, and Clayface... None of the mafia power-roles seem to logically work with this restriction, so I'm inclined to lean very slightly towards Palmar being town (or i'm totally off-base with my logic... lol)
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whatever, too much speculation.
You wanna lynch bugs, kurumi?
Who do you want to see dead doc?
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On February 11 2012 02:24 Jayjay54 wrote:
whatever, too much speculation.
You wanna lynch bugs, kurumi?
Who do you want to see dead doc?
He's deadman.
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He DT'ed me and had huge issues with the result I guess or he simply didn't believe me because he thought it's way more likly that I'm just a VET. IF he is a DT he found Two-Face and thought it's more likely to have a third party (who needs to kill Two-Face? right CW, CW chosing to get Two-Face on results back is pretty good I guess so I can see how he thought so) who impersonates Two-Face than me telling the truth all along and really being an immortal Two-Face. He thought the same way Jackal did. Read the text about CW. It clearly says it penetrates everything, therefore he called bullshit on me, found Two-Face and was sure that not even an idiot would claim Two-Face in the thread.
He just did not think that I was telling the truth at all. There's 2 things I thought:
- I am not going to die n1. Maybe I even got hit by CW yesterday or by mafia I DON'T KNOW. That was not a lie.
- I wanted everyone to think the way wbg did. Everyone thought "hey noone is stupid enough to claim Two-Face as Two-Face himself" and it worked.
Guess what. I got those balls. Remember my first ever game as mafia wbg? I fucking claimed medic you protected a confirmed mafia n1 because I thought it's the best move to not protect people like palmar / syllo / rad. I was a doctor in that game. Yes that's true, I claimed that as MAFIA and you don't think I've got the balls to claim what I claimed yesterday as Two-Face?. Trust me I got the balls and apparently everyone thought I'm a stupid vet n1 who tried to catch a bullet.
Schworz I guess I know what you did n1 and I don't want you to talk about it. I thought you're a vet who tries to safe Two-Face as well and figured "well whatever" and that's why I retracted my claim. Everyone already thought I was a VET myself at that point in time.
And now you don't talk about this issue any more schworz, deal?
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On February 11 2012 02:23 RayzorFlash wrote:
I think the whole Schworz drama will likely clear itself out tonight, or at least give us more concrete information instead of like, 7 people throwing out either what they think, or random claims that don't make sense...
I was working on an analysis of Chaoser, and his actions on Day 1 don't seem that scummy to me, but the hard Day 2 push to set up a lynch after Sheth is lynched seems reallyyyyy scummy... I don't have a solid opinion on that yet, and I still think we lynch Sheth today to verify Radfield.
Oh and, I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but Palmar can't POSSIBLY be as crazy as he's posting with randomly not remembering stuff he did the previous day. Methinks he has some sort of role text restriction that gives him split personality disorder / lunacy... The characters that might work well with such a restriction (disregarding other peoples claims, and actual logic) are: Joker, Harley Quinn, Scarecrow (different night personality than day maybe?), Two-face, Calendar Man, and Clayface... None of the mafia power-roles seem to logically work with this restriction, so I'm inclined to lean very slightly towards Palmar being town (or i'm totally off-base with my logic... lol)
On February 11 2012 01:59 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +If you die tonight and flip joker and it shows that your shots work the way you said they do, then I'll buy the whole thing.
If you don't die then I'm going to be skeptical. There are many reasons that I can think of for you surviving though. Either Batman decided not to kill you (stupid play). Or you can't be killed by Batman (aka you're Talia al Ghul). Either way, if you don't die then I will be very suspicious. So you see, your argument against me that I'm scum makes no sense since I could only ever push for your and Rad's lynch on the next day if you survive, something that I'm not even able to control if I'm mafia since Batman's kill is unblockable. If you die I have no reason to push at all. If I was mafia I'd rather you not die since then I can't push you. So what kind of stupid mafia plans ahead to try to set up a lynch on someone that isn't even controlled by the mafia but rather by a third party lol.
The setup only works if palmar doesn't die. And that isn't controlled by mafia, it's controlled by batman. So it would make no sense if I was mafia to try to set up a lynch off something that I wouldn't even be in control of.
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