EPTHe's scummy because he didn't provide any justification for his team whatsoever until after I called him out for offering no justification whatsoever, and ALSO didn't vote for his team until I called him out for not voting for his team. Was it good that the jackal hammer happened? No. Although that lets us know Jackal is a scummy bastard, it also choked off our vital D1 discussion and caused us to lose our initial mission. If there had been more time, things D1 could have been different.
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
He's scummy because he didn't provide any justification for his team whatsoever until after I called him out for offering no justification whatsoever, and ALSO didn't vote for his team until I called him out for not voting for his team. Was it good that the jackal hammer happened? No. Although that lets us know Jackal is a scummy bastard, it also choked off our vital D1 discussion and caused us to lose our initial mission. If there had been more time, things D1 could have been different. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
THAT BEING SAID if people are gonna be like "hey man i'm just straight up not reading posts in this thread nor am I reading the voting thread" you will all be subject to my typo-ridden remonstrations again. I won't be in a car this time though so It won't actually be typo-ridden and I will have time to correct them, etc. Also, "Jackal hammer" kinda looks like "jackhammer". heh. night | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I'm not a fan of the way Radfield didn't vote for his own team, didn't follow up on his initial logic discussion re: team composition for day 1 leading into his team, and furthermore didn't try to justify or defend his choice of team until after I called it out of him. This leads me to believe he was scum. You clearly find these arguments unconvincing. Why is that? I have responded to these arguments several times, but will do it again because you are refusing to drop it. 1. I did not vote for my own team immediately. You seem to think this was a master plan of mine to sneakily hammer my own vote in a dastardly attempt to stifle town discussion. When in fact it was obviously(obvious to everyone else in the thread) just me not realizing that I had to vote for my own team. The first Day of the first game of forum resistance I have ever played. I mean come on, I am obviously going to vote for the team I put forward, it doesn't even makes sense for me not. 2. I didn't follow my initial post because more information was presented. My initial post was an attempt to generate discussion in the thread, not a set-in-stone set of guidelines for me to follow throughout the game. Again, this is obvious to every other player in the thread except for you. I chose my team based on who I thought was most likely town, NOT based on a post I made before any other players had posted. You are calling me scummy for something that is almost by definition NOT scummy. 3. You claim I did not justify my vote until after you called me out. Technically this is true, but I did not see your post until after I had already posted. Again, I ask you to check the time stamps. I did not write up that post in 2 minutes, as other than 1 liners no post in this forum ever takes me 2 minutes to write, and certainly no when I am scum. If you think I am lying to you right now, then fine, call me a liar. But you don't get to pretend anymore that I am not responding to you. The fact that you are harping on these things when they not remotely scummy makes you look very very bad. I'm not talking about the REASON I disliked his team. The fact that I disliked his team doesn't make him scummy-- granted, I disliked his team because I found HIM scummy, but that's not why he's scummy. I don't believe you. I don't think you found me scummy at all until after I proposed the team. A team which you were a part of, and a team which you knew would fail. You voted against a Day 1 team including yourself which is absurdly scummy. You are desperately trying to paint me as scum(not to mention ignoring me and constantly repeating yourself) because it otherwise becomes obvious that you are scum. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
A team consisting of None has been rejected for this mission! Final vote count: Yays: Nays: Zona Blazinghand GreYMisT Toadesstern Radfield The new leader is GreYMisT whose team is: None | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Toad, VE, Radfield + Palmar or Greymist would be a team I agree with. Any combination of those 5 is pretty ok with me. Truthbringer, Blazinghand, Jackal and Zona I would rather not go. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
On December 30 2011 22:12 Radfield wrote: The fact that you are harping on these things when they not remotely scummy makes you look very very bad. I don't believe you. I don't think you found me scummy at all until after I proposed the team. A team which you were a part of, and a team which you knew would fail. You voted against a Day 1 team including yourself which is absurdly scummy. You are desperately trying to paint me as scum(not to mention ignoring me and constantly repeating yourself) because it otherwise becomes obvious that you are scum. See, I think you don't believe me because you're scum and you have no reason to believe me. I think you deliberately picked me to be part of your team because of my response to your initial post, thinking that I would be a good "fall guy" for when the team failed. I think you're scum, and I thought that yesterday. See, you claim that it's scummy to vote against a team with myself on it. However, imagine the following situation: A day 1 team is proposed, and I am on it, but so is a very very scummy player. A player so scummy that I actually think that the team is more likely to fail than normal, even taking into account that I am a town player. Naturally, I vote against the team. Then, said player and his scumbuddy hammer home the discussion, ending Day 1 and sending us to the night phase. If I were a scum player, and you are not a scum player, and you pick me for the team, it's true I could play some longwinded game of "oh hey guys I think radfield is scum, i'm gonna nayvote this team." I could stick my neck out for no real reason and take on these arguments, drawing a great deal of attention to myself. I don't think that would make a lot of sense though. A mafia player who had the good fortune to get picked day1 certainly wouldn't vote against his own team. If he was trying to abdicate his responsability for the vote, he'd just not vote at all. And he certainly wouldn't pick out one guy and label him scummy. On the other hand, if I'm a town player, I identified a bad team and voted nay on it, even though I was on it, because I want town to succeed. Oh, hey, that actually sounds like a simple, clear, and non-convoluted explanation for why my actions make sense! | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On December 30 2011 19:13 Blazinghand wrote: Like, the idea that a scummy Jackal hammer cutting short our D1 discussion and sending a failed team on the first mission was a net positive is basically false. And just what the hell was there to discuss? The weather? Your moms chocolate chip cookie recipe? The alignment of Uranus and Mars?????? What was there to discuss? I cut short a blabbering repetition of mindless babble that was going to last for days. Now we know that either you Palmar or Radfield are scum. Perhaps more. Probably not but perhaps. You were on that team and you're crying about it more than anybody. Yet you made no mention of it until Palmar did. Why? Because you're seizing an opportunity to duck out of the spotlight. Ya I hammered it. Don't like it? Tough shit. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On December 31 2011 02:23 Blazinghand wrote: See, I think you don't believe me because you're scum and you have no reason to believe me. I think you deliberately picked me to be part of your team because of my response to your initial post, thinking that I would be a good "fall guy" for when the team failed. I think you're scum, and I thought that yesterday. See, you claim that it's scummy to vote against a team with myself on it. However, imagine the following situation: A day 1 team is proposed, and I am on it, but so is a very very scummy player. A player so scummy that I actually think that the team is more likely to fail than normal, even taking into account that I am a town player. Naturally, I vote against the team. Then, said player and his scumbuddy hammer home the discussion, ending Day 1 and sending us to the night phase. If I were a scum player, and you are not a scum player, and you pick me for the team, it's true I could play some longwinded game of "oh hey guys I think radfield is scum, i'm gonna nayvote this team." I could stick my neck out for no real reason and take on these arguments, drawing a great deal of attention to myself. I don't think that would make a lot of sense though. A mafia player who had the good fortune to get picked day1 certainly wouldn't vote against his own team. If he was trying to abdicate his responsability for the vote, he'd just not vote at all. And he certainly wouldn't pick out one guy and label him scummy. On the other hand, if I'm a town player,I identified a bad team and voted nay on it, even though I was on it, because I want town to succeed. Oh, hey, that actually sounds like a simple, clear, and non-convoluted explanation for why my actions make sense! I don't need to speculate on my towniness. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
But yeah you're basically scum for hammering that. I mean you could also be super terrible but *I* think you're scum and until you can convince me otherwise I will nay any team proposed by you or containing you. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
On December 31 2011 02:34 Jackal58 wrote: I don't need to speculate on my towniness. Correction: you have not chosen to defend yourself. You shun the spotlight because you're worried about being revealed for what you are. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On December 31 2011 02:36 Blazinghand wrote: Correction: you have not chosen to defend yourself. You shun the spotlight because you're worried about being revealed for what you are. I have nothing to defend myself against. Again I ask "What discussion did I halt"? There was none. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On December 31 2011 02:32 Jackal58 wrote: And just what the hell was there to discuss? The weather? Your moms chocolate chip cookie recipe? The alignment of Uranus and Mars?????? I've always found that the position of mars and the density of chocolate chip cookies per liter of dough are vital measurements used in finding scum using the Xerix table... | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 31 2011 02:23 Blazinghand wrote: See, you claim that it's scummy to vote against a team with myself on it. However, imagine the following situation: A day 1 team is proposed, and I am on it, but so is a very very scummy player. A player so scummy that I actually think that the team is more likely to fail than normal, even taking into account that I am a town player. Naturally, I vote against the team. Before I proposed my team, what made me very very scummy? Please elaborate. If I were a scum player, and you are not a scum player, and you pick me for the team, it's true I could play some longwinded game of "oh hey guys I think radfield is scum, i'm gonna nayvote this team." I could stick my neck out for no real reason and take on these arguments, drawing a great deal of attention to myself. I don't think that would make a lot of sense though. A mafia player who had the good fortune to get picked day1 certainly wouldn't vote against his own team. If he was trying to abdicate his responsability for the vote, he'd just not vote at all. And he certainly wouldn't pick out one guy and label him scummy. On the other hand, if I'm a town player, I identified a bad team and voted nay on it, even though I was on it, because I want town to succeed. Oh, hey, that actually sounds like a simple, clear, and non-convoluted explanation for why my actions make sense! Allow me to lay out a simple, clear and non-convoluted explanation for your actions as scum: You are scum, you are placed on the Day 1 team, knowing you will sabotage the mission and that it will fail you immediately seek to both distance yourself from the team, while simultaneously casting suspicion on another player on the mission. It's pretty classic scum play actually. Townie is getting lynched, scum pops in towards the end and yells about how dumb the lynch is and how said player is obviously town. 10:26 Radfield proposes a team 10:29 Blazinghand questions the reasons for the team 10:31 Radfield posts his reasons for his team Over the next 3 hours 3 people vote yes for my team. I had not yet voted so that makes it already at 4 votes, making the team virtually assured. At this point Blazinghand returns to the thread and votes against my team calling me scummy. Keep in mind at this point the team is pretty much already assured to go through. Blazinghand then makes a number of posts, but none of them related to the team or voting. In fact, other than when he is directly asked by Greymist he does not mention the team. He is obviously around in the thread(answers greymist 10 minutes after the question is asked) but is not trying to stop players from voting for my team. Think about this for a second. Blazinghand is sure that I am OBVIOUS scum. So sure is he that I am scum, he is voting against a team which includes himself on Day 1. Yet despite his sureness, he makes absolutely no effort to dissuade other players from voting through my team. This is a team he is almost sure is going to fail, yet he waits for 3 votes before mentioning in passing that he will not vote for my team. Even after he states his 'nay' intention he makes no effort to halt the team from getting passed. Blazinghand is a spy | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 31 2011 03:55 GreYMisT wrote: Alright guys I'm thinking of a team consisting of me, toad, palmar, and VE. I am ok with this team, though I would prefer myself and Palmar to go on the mission together. I think there was only 1 spy Day 1, and I'm pretty sure it was blazinghand Assuming no communication or breadcrumbing, consider the thought process with 2 spies on the day 1 mission. You absolutely cannot risk both sabotaging the mission, as that exposes 2 of 3 players as spies, which loses the game for spies. Therefore if we had two spies on the first mission we would likely have succeeded in our mission. Given this, I would like to see both Palmar and Myself go on the Day 2 mission. Other than that I am fine with any two of those three, but would prefer toad and VE. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
I find greys team to be reasonable and probably rhe best team that csn be put tofether without me on it so i willvote yay | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
A ) ir team is formatyed wrong u nwed to repost it i think B) y u no vote own team? I unvote you | ||
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