Resistance I - London Calling - Page 16

On December 31 2011 05:09 GreYMisT wrote:
You still on that blazing? Whoever puts a team forward is obviously going to vote for it, so it's a bit hard to remember to do sometimes.

And rad, I feel that VE is as likely town as you are at this point, and I feel strongly that toad and palmar at the moment are town. This is the reason just these 4 appear on my team. I'm going to reformat my team post now.

On December 31 2011 05:05 Blazinghand wrote:
You need to use a zbot-readable format so right noe no ody yayvote him until he has set his team bexcause even though he is probs town he could be going for some sneaky switch.

On December 31 2011 05:14 Radfield wrote:
Why did you not try to persuade other players to vote nay against my team?

Why, when you were obviously around and apparently already thought I was scum, did you wait 3 hours before nay voting my team?

Why have you ignored this post that I made: post. I say ignore, because you have not called me a liar, and you keep pretending I haven't responded to that argument.

Why did you only post your reasons for nay voting my team when you got called out by Greymist? You state I was obvious scum at that point yet you did nothing to stop my team from going through. In fact it appears you would never have posted in depth your reasons for voting against my team unless greymist had called you out. Do you deny that?

On December 31 2011 05:17 Radfield wrote:



Yeah, I pretty much agree with your team, but would like to swap you out for me. Hope you understand

If Toad is willing to run me, him, palmar and VE I will nay vote you and yay vote him.

If he is not willing to run that team than I will approve your team, as I feel it is second best. However, I admit I am not particularly willing to yay vote a team that has blazinghand's support...

On December 31 2011 05:28 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah but it makes sense from the "rad is scum" perspective i don't know if your pauig attn but evertthing rad says doesnt makr sense

On December 31 2011 05:29 GreYMisT wrote:


keyboard/proofread

On December 31 2011 05:30 Blazinghand wrote:


that @ all ur voting post

On December 31 2011 05:25 GreYMisT wrote:
Rad im not going to propose a team without me on it, that doesnt make sense from my perspective.

On December 31 2011 05:28 Blazinghand wrote:

Indeed you make a fair point; let me note however that it makes sense from the "rad is scum" perspective. I don't know if you, good sir, have been paying much attention, but in my opinion many things radfield says do not make sense, as part of an intentional attempt to obfuscate our discussions

On December 31 2011 05:20 Blazinghand wrote:


Radfields strat is to ignore my questions and make other questions

fine i will wait for keyboard to respond to you

greymist you got a yayvote from me but ur slef-yayvote post is miformatted

On December 31 2011 02:23 Blazinghand wrote:


See, I think you don't believe me because you're scum and you have no reason to believe me. I think you deliberately picked me to be part of your team because of my response to your initial post, thinking that I would be a good "fall guy" for when the team failed. I think you're scum, and I thought that yesterday.

See, you claim that it's scummy to vote against a team with myself on it. However, imagine the following situation: A day 1 team is proposed, and I am on it, but so is a very very scummy player. A player so scummy that I actually think that the team is more likely to fail than normal, even taking into account that I am a town player. Naturally, I vote against the team.

Then, said player and his scumbuddy hammer home the discussion, ending Day 1 and sending us to the night phase.

If I were a scum player, and you are not a scum player, and you pick me for the team, it's true I could play some longwinded game of "oh hey guys I think radfield is scum, i'm gonna nayvote this team." I could stick my neck out for no real reason and take on these arguments, drawing a great deal of attention to myself. I don't think that would make a lot of sense though. A mafia player who had the good fortune to get picked day1 certainly wouldn't vote against his own team. If he was trying to abdicate his responsability for the vote, he'd just not vote at all. And he certainly wouldn't pick out one guy and label him scummy.

On the other hand, if I'm a town player, I identified a bad team and voted nay on it, even though I was on it, because I want town to succeed.

Oh, hey, that actually sounds like a simple, clear, and non-convoluted explanation for why my actions make sense!

On December 31 2011 04:40 Radfield wrote:


Before I proposed my team, what made me very very scummy? Please elaborate.




Allow me to lay out a simple, clear and non-convoluted explanation for your actions as scum:

You are scum, you are placed on the Day 1 team, knowing you will sabotage the mission and that it will fail you immediately seek to both distance yourself from the team, while simultaneously casting suspicion on another player on the mission.

It's pretty classic scum play actually. Townie is getting lynched, scum pops in towards the end and yells about how dumb the lynch is and how said player is obviously town.

10:26 Radfield proposes a team
10:29 Blazinghand questions the reasons for the team
10:31 Radfield posts his reasons for his team

Over the next 3 hours 3 people vote yes for my team. I had not yet voted so that makes it already at 4 votes, making the team virtually assured. At this point Blazinghand returns to the thread and votes against my team calling me scummy. Keep in mind at this point the team is pretty much already assured to go through.

Blazinghand then makes a number of posts, but none of them related to the team or voting. In fact, other than when he is directly asked by Greymist he does not mention the team. He is obviously around in the thread(answers greymist 10 minutes after the question is asked) but is not trying to stop players from voting for my team.

Think about this for a second. Blazinghand is sure that I am OBVIOUS scum. So sure is he that I am scum, he is voting against a team which includes himself on Day 1. Yet despite his sureness, he makes absolutely no effort to dissuade other players from voting through my team. This is a team he is almost sure is going to fail, yet he waits for 3 votes before mentioning in passing that he will not vote for my team. Even after he states his 'nay' intention he makes no effort to halt the team from getting passed.

Blazinghand is a spy