EPT##vote Chezinu
I can do a more indepth analysis on his D1 shit if you want, but to be honest I don't see the point considering BC + RB = GM Death + me not getting hit explains it. So him lying about a RB the mafia knew wouldn't get CC'd makes sense.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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##vote Chezinu I can do a more indepth analysis on his D1 shit if you want, but to be honest I don't see the point considering BC + RB = GM Death + me not getting hit explains it. So him lying about a RB the mafia knew wouldn't get CC'd makes sense. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On December 27 2011 15:23 Foolishness wrote: I shall use the same excuse as L: was busy with xmas stuff. The real reason was because I thought day was ending tomorrow and not today, because somehow I miscalculated the times. But that excuse makes me sound like a retard so the reason I was gone because I was busy with xmas stuff. On December 27 2011 15:24 Foolishness wrote: Surprised that nobody noticed this, but I'm very confident that the mafia have a medic and that the mafia medic saved RoL last night (yes, meaning RoL is mafia). On December 27 2011 15:30 Foolishness wrote: Hey RoL, got a big question for you: You claimed that you did not take a hit last night. LSB confirmed that if he shoots a green both the green and him die. Thus you should be dead, as GM dying is accounted for now. But I am also curious why you would say what I highlighted in your post if you were town. Seems like you wrote that because you have extra information on some sort of night events happening. On December 27 2011 15:50 Foolishness wrote: Okay but they have the same exact text with the exception of the role name. Why would one of them have it so that both him and the green die (if he shoots a green) and the other have it so just he dies (if he shoots a green)? On December 28 2011 06:13 Foolishness wrote: The other day I thought that BC was red, but his claim makes a lot of sense. Why RoL is still alive is the biggest problem at the moment. If GM breadcrumbed his real target (which most people seem to think he didn't) I haven't been able to figure out the real target. Pretend that you are RoL and you are mafia. You got shot last night but you survived due to whatever reason (medic, veteran, etc). What would you say in the thread? You are highly suspicious cause you were inactive day 1, so claiming that you took a hit isn't going to do anything for you since it will just make the town lynch you anyways. But if you claim that nothing happened to you during the night, suddenly you might be saved since everyone is now distracted with what really happened during the night. And perhaps GM's suspicions of you were just a farce to hide his real shot. We should still kill bugs at some point though. On December 28 2011 14:00 Foolishness wrote: Look at all my posts that I wrote during this past night (including this one). Take the first letter in each post and read in chronological order. The only explanation so far I've seen for why RoL is still alive is that GM lied about his hit (not likely) or that GM was roleblocked. Obviously GM being roleblocked makes a ton of sense, except Chezinu claimed to be roleblocked. I don't see the reason for Chezinu to lie about being roleblocked, so it does not make sense that Chezinu is mafia. I didn't think RoL was mafia cause he was active day 2 (after he promised he would be), but nothing adds up still. That said, I'm relatively certain that bumatlarge and GGQ are both innocent based on analysis. I do not think kitaman is mafia either. L didn't take a hit last night or he would have claimed it, so foolishness got roleblocked. People are making RoL to be the obvious lynch in practical lylo. I'd much rather think this through then just jump on him for "bussing" himself. I'm not following the Chez thing, he's extremely inactive, and I didn't catch where he lied about roleblocks. Everyone should type "Fuck you Bum." If you are town. I'd take RoL's scum team and swap chez for someone else. Kita and prphlz don't seem scummy to me. L and Sheth have been very scummy to me. L has been avoiding a vig shot for one too many nights, and sheth's reasoning is very convoluted. His general view on everyone in this game looks so forced (he couldn't find anything to ask me, so he makes up something about me killing LSB because he lied? I lynched LSB because he was acting scummy, I was wrong, but he gave us information, and that did make me seriously consider going towards a no-lynch, since everyone is a vig). Kita analysis seems very forced as well. Most of his arguments are very subjective, and if he has just worded it differently, he could have been proving that kita was town. His team asked him to post alot so that he won't get shot by someone with a lurker vig or something. That's exactly what it looks like. Speaking of which. Mafia team = All roleblockers. Town = All Vigis. Makes perfect sense. All roleblocking claims are valid. I don't think mafia would have bothered to subject one of themselves to the attention that claiming roleblocks recieves when others claim as well. Therefore RoL and chez seem more town because of it, and it still leaves alot of room for GM, Foolishness and others to be roleblocked many times over. Stop making this a center point of your reasoning, or prepare to get lynched. I still have a shot that I doubt I could use, and as far as I'm concerned, mafia has enough RB power to lockdown town. We need to lynch properly. Vote Sheth or L. Voting RoL or chezinu means you are bad. | ||
Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
I'm not sure the whole mafia team is roleblockers, but I can see that a lot of roleblocks have been used. However I don't know why roleblockers would have blocked Chezinu at all and then why he hasn't posted for a while. I want more information out of him. I understand your reasoning to kill LSB, but I think we would have found out that information without us lynching him. We might have found out a lot more had we not in fact. Regardless I don't like your ending sentence. You are so actively against voting for RoL. You realize if your not mafia, prplhz isn't mafia, rol or chezinu isn't mafia and you think both myself and L are mafia then one of either syllogism or kitaman is mafia too. I know I'm not mafia, meaning in your scenario both syllogism and kitaman are mafia. I'm not a huge fan of your logic here honestly. It worries me. As already said, I don't think L and Syllogism are both mafia together. Meaning one of RoL, yourself or Chezinu is mafia in place of them. This just gets more and more interesting. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:11 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Right off the bat early on in the game he noticed the vote count was off. And he had already voted something. For me when I'm town I never look at the voting count amount until much later. How is me pointing out a flaw in the voting bot even relevant? I noticed it counted a vote which I didn't make and pointed it out. Why does that make me scum? Also, I didn't even realize you had ever played a forum game as town. Could you link me? On December 29 2011 04:11 Liquid`Sheth wrote: He also "Expects more" from Foolishness, BC and GM" So, so far he has been curious or expected more from 4 confirmed townies and myself who is a townie as well. It was because I did expect more from Foolishness, BC and GM. They were being pretty useless and I brought them up. On December 29 2011 04:11 Liquid`Sheth wrote: When the Vigilante showdown AKA "LSB vs GM two vigilantes of different names" occurred his solution was terrible from a town point of view. He wanted them to have one shoot the other one and for the other one to shoot someone who "appears townie". This was I believe the first time I really looked at Kita as Scum . This seems to me silly, because it ends up killing everyone, not really helping us by giving us information and in the end is just a bad idea. We'd like our vigilantes to stay alive as at that point we really didn't know how many we had. I'm sure you can figure out the other reasons this was a bad idea. Your analysis completely falls apart at this point. In fact, you come off looking pretty hypocritical. My proposed plan was that one of the two shoots the other, while the other shoots a scum suspect. I still feel this was the best proposed solution to the GM/LSB counter claim. This is what you proposed instead: On December 22 2011 12:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I'd say leave them both alive, and only let them shoot each other. Clearly the one who really was vigilante prevails. Or if there both vigilante they both die. o.o; This seems like a solid idea to me. And we could use our lynch today on someone else. My plan was exactly the same as yours, except mine yielded us an additional vig shot to shoot scum. If my plan was "terrible" from a town perspective and my plan was better than yours, what does that make your plan? You say this is the first time I became part of your radar because you want the vigilantes to stay alive. According to your plan, they would both be dead night one! On December 22 2011 12:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote: He then says that he wouldn't mind putting 7-8 votes on a lurker (Sheth, myself), but then really never tries to do that at all. He almost instantly changes his thought process and goes after someone else. Honestly I think it would have been smart to try and put more votes on me. I wouldn't have answered, but if I was just scumlurking then it would have pressured me out into at least saying something. Wait, so my plan was a good one, but I'm scum because other people didn't follow it? On December 22 2011 12:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote: He is then very curious about GM and his role and if he is roleblocked. I think it VERY likely that GM was in fact roleblocked. He was the obvious best choice for mafia to role block hands down. Kitaman27 then proceeds to ask "Would your bullet be refunded?" He is very curious about this townies power and what would happen if he was roleblocked. Just an interesting point for sure. Now you're just trying to skew my posts. I was arguing with L because he seemed to think that GM lied about his shots. I think that is crazy and stated as so. I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. On December 22 2011 12:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote: He then proceeds to say in his big list that he is "leaning town on bugs" and that his main lynch candidate is on Prplhz. I don't know why he stopped pressuring the lurker (myself) or why he instantly went onto Prplhz here. I was very happy with what I'd seen from prplhz at this point. Syllogism was as well, pointing out that "prplhz has appeared very protown". Bugs then proceeded to try and start suspicion against Prplhz by asking if he was just bad in general or only as scum. Something I also thought was out of place. This didn't go anywhere and then he Bugs proceeds to switch his case onto BC when no one else agrees with voting out Prplhz. Kitaman27 has never really caused ANYONE major pressure. He hasn't had a passion of scum hunting. He has in the end done very nearly nothing for us. He should have at least kept up his pressure on the lurker (Myself) and been more passionate against Prplhz if he truly felt he was scummy. I admit my reads have been off this game, but at least I'm trying to share my opinion. Don't say I'm not trying to scum hunt, when your first real post hasn't come until more than a week into the game. think that is crazy and stated as so. I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. On December 22 2011 12:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote: After Prplhz reveals that he had killed WhereBugsGo Kita says sorry for accusing Prplhz. He was very against apologizing early and one of the reads early that we had was that in most cases here scum would be apologetic and simply try not to die by lynch or agravating someone by trigger or simply vig shot. lolol I asked you to stop apologizing because you did so in every single post. I was wrong on prpl and I'm allowed to say sorry. Overall, everything just looks really weak. I'll write something up against L later today. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
On December 29 2011 06:46 bumatlarge wrote: Yeah it's only getting interesting to you now because now is the only time you need to play the game. I'm not retracting anything scum. The basis behind RoL's lynch is that either he or chez lied about being roleblocked? Think about the set-up for half a second and it would make sense. Chezinu was blocked because he's blue, all the town is if that hasn't occured to mafia yet. Would you like to claim? No, I don't want to claim. Interesting Kita interesting... Prplhz I have proof RoL is telling the truth! Who do you recomend we go to. And sorry RoL for not believing you. Pretty crazy game though! | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Given the weird n1 kills I think it's more likely that scum also has some sort of KP roles that punish "bad" play or something similar. A scum medic also makes more sense than more than 1 RBer due to the missing RB claims. Two role blockers is possible but lynching people or clearing people based on that assumption in LYLO is very weak/scummy. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On December 29 2011 07:01 syllogism wrote: Bum how does the scum team consisting of role blockers make sense considering that only one person has claimed RB so far and last night there were 6 deaths, of which only one was claimed. None of the living players claimed RB, so even assuming foolishness was RBed, that's three missing role blocks. Given the weird n1 kills I think it's more likely that scum also has some sort of KP roles that punish "bad" play or something similar. A scum medic also makes more sense than more than 1 RBer due to the missing RB claims. Two role blockers is possible but lynching people or clearing people based on that assumption in LYLO is very weak/scummy. Ok, thats sounds cool. So now L is scum then. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On December 29 2011 07:05 bumatlarge wrote: Ok, thats sounds cool. So now L is scum then. Very possible, but nothing in above is related to that. Why are you making these bad logical leaps in LYLO? | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
On December 29 2011 06:52 kitaman27 wrote: How is me pointing out a flaw in the voting bot even relevant? I noticed it counted a vote which I didn't make and pointed it out. Why does that make me scum? It doesn't at all, its just something I noted. I wrote everything that I thought was weird. Also, I didn't even realize you had ever played a forum game as town. Could you link me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384¤tpage=All It was because I did expect more from Foolishness, BC and GM. They were being pretty useless and I brought them up. Indeed, 3 townies. Its just a percentage call. Just something that to me added .001% to the case against you. Your analysis completely falls apart at this point. In fact, you come off looking pretty hypocritical. My proposed plan was that one of the two shoots the other, while the other shoots a scum suspect. I still feel this was the best proposed solution to the GM/LSB counter claim. This is what you proposed instead: This plan by me was terrible! I change my plan about 2 minutes after it to my no lynch policy that night. It was a panic post because I was 90% sure LSB wasn't lieing. My plan was exactly the same as yours, except mine yielded us an additional vig shot to shoot scum. If my plan was "terrible" from a town perspective and my plan was better than yours, what does that make your plan? As I said above, my plan was terrible. Thats why I changed it. You say this is the first time I became part of your radar because you want the vigilantes to stay alive. According to your plan, they would both be dead night one! Wait, so my plan was a good one, but I'm scum because other people didn't follow it? Its scum because you didn't try and get other people to follow it. You just suggested it and walked away. Its almost like you could follow town think a ways, but couldn't follow it too far. This could be way off, but again its something that added a small percentage to you as well. Now you're just trying to skew my posts. I was arguing with L because he seemed to think that GM lied about his shots. I think that is crazy and stated as so. I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. You were asking very specific questions about how roleblock affects a vigilante. Especially now doesn't this seem like something mafia would like to know, especially if they don't kill him that night. I admit my reads have been off this game, but at least I'm trying to share my opinion. Don't say I'm not trying to scum hunt, when your first real post hasn't come until more than a week into the game. Just because I've been absent doesn't mean I can't say the truth from my perspective. I thought you wanted me to be posting here more. think that is crazy and stated as so. I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. lolol I asked you to stop apologizing because you did so in every single post. I was wrong on prpl and I'm allowed to say sorry. Overall, everything just looks really weak. I'll write something up against L later today. My last post here was pretty pointless, I'll admit that. However your defense hasn't swayed me. I still am very worried about you being mafia. What do you think about me saying I'm sure RoL is telling the truth and thus town? I can prove this, so please be careful on how you answer. Also, if RoL is safe, and I feel prplhz is safe, that leaves 6 and 3 of which are mafia. 2 of which are me and you, now I know you think I'm mafia, but I'm not, so assume I'm not for this test. And you ofc will assume your not mafia. So 3/4 of those others are now mafia. Please I'm very curious your thoughts on this situation. L / Syllogism / Chezinu / Bumatlarge would be the 4. Do you think this situation isn't possible? I veer off point here. Bumatlarge I also am VERY curious about one of your posts. You change your oppinion on chezinu VERY quickly for no apparent reason. You go from something like "well I really don't have any idea whether chezinu is mafia or not" to I think chezinu is town and anyone who votes for him is stupid. Please explain that ? I'm REALLY curious about this seeming slip. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
On December 29 2011 07:02 syllogism wrote: Sheth care to share the proof? Happily after I've heard everyone's responses to this. Especially Bum's. What do you think about my point that I think you and L aren't scum together and that if one of you is, the other isn't? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On December 29 2011 07:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote: You were asking very specific questions about how roleblock affects a vigilante. Especially now doesn't this seem like something mafia would like to know, especially if they don't kill him that night. If I wanted the answer, I could have just asked the host if vig shots are refunded. The reason I wanted to know was if GM claimed roleblock that night, I wanted him to state whether or not he could shoot again so he wouldn't use it as an excuse for not trying to shoot scum after night one. This was still at the point where I thought he could be scum. On December 29 2011 07:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote: What do you think about me saying I'm sure RoL is telling the truth and thus town? I can prove this, so please be careful on how you answer. Telling the truth about what? That GM shot RoL and was roleblocked? I agree that he shot RoL since lying about that doesn't make sense. RoL either lived since he was rb'd or mafia has a medic. Same thing for the Foolishness shot on L. Are you a watcher or something? On December 29 2011 07:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote: L / Syllogism / Chezinu / Bumatlarge would be the 4. Do you think this situation isn't possible? I veer off point here. Err bugs already flipped scum? Those four wouldn't need to be scum. I think L is scum, either chez or RoL is scum, and either you or syllo is the third. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
And I never said those 4 were scum. I said 3/4 would have to be scum, you didn't really read my post very well you kind of just chopped my post into small quotes and answered them out of context. Would you please just answer this one thing for me? (What do you think about RoL saying he shot BC and is thus town?) | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
And I never said those 4 were scum. I said 3/4 would have to be scum, you didn't really read my post very well you kind of just chopped my post into small quotes and answered them out of context.[/QUOTE] Oh, misinterpreted what you were saying. On December 29 2011 07:42 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Would you please just answer this one thing for me? (What do you think about RoL saying he shot BC and is thus town?) Well nobody has counter-claimed the BC shot and he crumbed it before hand so I believe he shot BC. It doesn't make him confirmed town, but it was a good shot considering he would have dominated lynch discussion today otherwise. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On December 29 2011 07:42 Liquid`Sheth wrote: And I never said those 4 were scum. I said 3/4 would have to be scum, you didn't really read my post very well you kind of just chopped my post into small quotes and answered them out of context. Oh, misinterpreted what you were saying. On December 29 2011 07:42 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Would you please just answer this one thing for me? (What do you think about RoL saying he shot BC and is thus town?) Well nobody has counter-claimed the BC shot and he crumbed it before hand so I believe he shot BC. It doesn't make him confirmed town, but it was a good shot considering he would have dominated lynch discussion today otherwise. EBWOP | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
On December 29 2011 07:54 syllogism wrote: Are you saying that because he claimed to have shot BC he is town? That is completely inconclusive as scum have some sort of list of blues, might have similar vig roles as town and so many people died last night that it isn't possible to even know who shot BC. It's even possible for scum to use regular night KP to kill someone and then claim a vig shot, though no way scum would have used normal night KP on BC in this situation. I think it's very likely that he did shoot BC, however. No, not quite. That's pretty close to it though in my opinion. Do you want me to explain the logic I have for it now, or wait till bum has responded to it ? I'm fine either way, and I feel L is mafia so I trust you as third likely town next to prplhz / rol. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On December 29 2011 07:07 syllogism wrote: Very possible, but nothing in above is related to that. Why are you making these bad logical leaps in LYLO? I'm saying if that was the scenario then L would be mafia. I worded it improperly. It was subjective. Why is that a slip? I'm arguing that people who claim RB in multiples doesn't make them scummy, it makes them town. Sheth your reaching pretty hard bro. | ||
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