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On December 11 2011 07:38 syllogism wrote: You wouldn't lie to us, would you Sheth Me? Lie?! Never : ( This is my first of this type of mafia O.O! | ||
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I'm actually just his friend typing on his account. He doesn't really type much on TL ever, so he said I could use it.... I hope thats not a problem? He said because I like mafia so much that I could use it and that here would be an awesome place to play it. Was this not ok? Should I have said this from the start? :X | ||
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I've thought a bit about this and we want the best townie mayor and pardoner we can get. They both play important roles in this game. Its very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia. This can be tough obviously. So I think its obvious we want someone who is willing to write a lot in order to be one of these. I'd like to see a few lies thrown in their to kind of get a baseline from it. This sort of thing might sound weird in text, but I'd love someone to write something like 2 sentences that are true and 2 that are false. IE : Hi, my name is James Wallabee and I'm the town mayor. We've been working on gold mining for the last 2 years and are now free of debt. --- Hi, my name is Shawn Simon and I want to be the town mayor. However its something that'll take a lot of work and require a lot of work petitioning and even then I may not be the best choice for this! Just something to give all of us a small base. As I know its possible to look through all past mafia and kind of get an idea of each player. ( This is allowed ? to read other mafia games that players here have taken part in? I'd like to have some base without having to leave this thread and to just get something early on from each player too. I think its important not to over over think things, as I'm thinking quite hard on how to write this so I think I'll stop here. I'm the townie for the job,(Mayor or Pardoner) and this is just my first post pointing some things I'd like to see us do to figure out who else is town, or at least get a baseline. Also, I dont know if its weird, but I'd love some sort of introduction from most of you, unless were just going to go buy gamer tags. Either way is fine, I just prefer real people to OMG CYBER_CHEESE IS DEAD. =) | ||
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I won't always follow what everyone says just because everyone says it. I'm ready for a position in this game. I want to contend and end this game quick. I get the basic read from Redfield that hes clean though. Just from the imaginary tone I hear in my head. Obviously I can't tell anything for sure and this is just basic. So TL:DR I'd like to be mayor, or pardoner I think I'll do a good job of it, but I also think Radfield could do a good job too. Havn't seen a post from Arctocod yet to even know if they want to run yet as well, so can't comment on that! | ||
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@prpthz I like that your going to vote for the person who is the most active and transparent in this game. I think your somewhat contradicting yourself when you said both "I will not vote for anyone based on what they've done on other games" and then "I have never played with you before and I have a hard time understanding this imaginary tone". I get your point though on me. II'm not trying to run on a campaign that is fueled by fear. I just enjoy the part of being active in town and this is a good way to do it. I've read a lot about Mayor and I understand his roles. He acts as a town safeguard, gets 2 votes on elections and lynchs and cannot be killed by mafia. Pardoner gets 2 chances to pardon people who he thinks are innocent of general lynches. And as for me thinking I'm not the best choice, well I honestly don't think I'm clearly the best choice for Mayor. I think I'd do well to learn this though. I'm not one to just sit out because I "might not be the best for the job" because I honestly feel that I can be the best for the job. I don't have tons of practice games, but I'm definetly a quick learner and I've tried my best to be active and transparent. Two things I think are important in a Mayor / Pardoner. And as for the imaginary tone, well I liked what he said and the way he said it. It basically means to me that I didn't see anything in what he said that at all hints towards being a mafia. @ Gylgas I realize I'm not that experienced at the online version of this, although I have played quite a few offline games of mafia. I realize I'm not easily the "best or most experienced" for the choice. However I do feel that I'd learn and fill in the shoes properly. I ask questions if I'm not sure, and I don't have any questions about this topic anymore. I don't claim to have it down as well as veterans who have played it before, but I think I have potential in playing it the best. Yea I'm definetly a cocky egotistic person. I get it, and I dont mean to come off condesending if I do. And as for Jitsu's lynch policy question I really liked your answer on this GylgaS. Lieing to protect a blue is fine, but even then lieing can be oh so dangerous. I'm a huge fan of removing blue's unless its fairly certain there not red. As for the candiates so far, I've only seen Radfields and Gylgas's. To keep it short, they both seem like good posts. I hope mine seem as good too... | ||
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The last thing you say is, "woudln't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town?" Why would you think that? =X | ||
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There is no way to figure out if someone is "100%" mafia either. Oh percentages, how I hate sheepycat or w/e his name is for over using them on EVERY single read he ever had. And what do you mean theres only one way to get confirmed and that way kinda prevents people from getting elected afterwards? I honestly just don't know.... | ||
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On December 12 2011 15:19 Arctocod wrote: We can't be elected on consecutive days? That's disappointing. Anyway, we are obviously running Radfield and I have to say I don't like you based on your very first post! Still, that's based almost on nothing substantial so unless that changes I recommend voting you into the office along with us. Even arbitrarily assuming there's a 50/50 chance that you are mafia, I feel that it's optimal to elect you given that you can't run tomorrow and if we are elected as well we'll be around to make sure you are still making sense. I imagine Palmar will write a real announcement post later, but Vote for us Sheth are you mafia? Innocent lives hang in the balance so this is important! You mean "We are obviously running, Radfield. And I have to say I dont like you based on your very first post!" Or just like that? I'm pretty sure, but could be missreading. You're really flippant on this to just lets vote for me and Radfield "Vote for us" And the reason we should elect him is bescause then he can't run tomorrow is stupid. Anyone elected can't run the next day, it doesn't only apply to him. At least you say its not based on anything substantial. I actually slightly dislike your + radfields campaign now just from this post. The fact that you already think I'm mafia might somewhat be biasing my post. But I like people asking questions so no I'm not mafia. Are you mafia ? DrDoom will release the train and kill innocent people if you answer falsely! | ||
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I'm townie and were going to win this. Dues ex is saying something stupid in that "us 4 are the ones that will die obviously" because then well, what if the 2 hydra's not elected do just die.. I think they are all pretty strong and you saying this might have just killed them. I geuss mafia might just figure it out and medic can save one so w/e, but I still dislike you saying this outloud in this game. Arcotocod and Dropbear are both so agressive. I don't think either should be voted to Mayor / Pardoner. Radfield hasn't said anything from his one post, so I kind of don't think he should be mayor based on that, but I really think hes townie. Just from a random gut read. I like Greymist and what hes saying and I get a weird vibe from PRPlhz. I do really want to be a mayor or a pardoner as well, but as I'm learning, being new can really screw you over with this sort of thing. I do think its smart to vote in people who are very well experienced though so I get it. I just think I could play this role well even if I dont get it this turn. Anyway.. I'll write more on everything when I wake up. 2am here almost, so I shall see you guys tomorrow! | ||
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First thing I saw, was Arcto you said something like "because of this I'm really trying to get pardoner!" and your next post had "vote for me for mayor!" Just wanting to make sure, you still want to be pardoner right? You just want the votes to get that spot? Secondly the Dues-ex vs risk.nuke is good, I like see'ing two players argue about anything. Its quite helpful. In this argument I think Dues-ex is more logical, but there getting off topic from the election / lynch. Radfields comments are again good. I'm getting like this pure read from him for now. Just seems legit. Greymist why are you saying who you are voting of for sure alreaedy? Why Arctocod and not radfield? I agree that the veteran hydras are definetly in danger of getting shot first though because of their experience. Its pretty frustrating to have to write that though. Because it means I really don't have much of an honest reason to run for Mayor. I still feel like I'd be great at the position, and like arctocod said, maybe I would be. But, I'm not going to be an obvious target for mafia first shot.. I hope... (If I am, I'm killing you arcto!) I still really love the idea of being able to affect this game in more ways then just voting, but I didn't realize how the elections were working. The new information that Mayor / Pardoner are for life (I think most of us thought it was for one day or two days only or something?) and that tomorrow we vote on new roles is pretty cool. I think we should save two veterans who have good townie "feels" about them. I'd like to hear a lot A LOT more from the lurkers. ProfBA has the lamest campaign ever, but the coolest picture for it. Dues ex are you running as well? I just don't remmeber. And cascades, did you choose your name because of juggling? I'm just blindly curious as its the first thing you learn to do as a juggler, and curious if your a fellow juggler? XD! | ||
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I think there should be a 0 tolerance rule on using the pardon. You shouldn't be able to use the pardon for anything. With one exception. If the majority of town agrees you should use it. Technically if the majority of town agrees that you should use it, we should have the right person lynched. However if something crazy occurs we can use this, or if last minute we all decide to change our votes because of something obvious thats come to our attention. However these are both REALLY case specific things. So I'm sticking with just DONT USE the pardon, Unless we all decide to use it together or we kill pardoner next round. | ||
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So your just running for a spot, either spot. The elected position is able to effect the game in a few more ways especially for this game I think. There have been a lot of people who havn't posted yet. A lot of people who probably won't take the time to read all 17 pages of this and think deeply on whats been said. Its just a fact because I think we have a lot of newer players to the game. Even myself, if I havn't had a lot of time to read the most recent posts because say I'm playing in some tournament or whatever for the 3 of the 4 hours before we vote I'm going to see what the mayor says first. Its just natural I think to look to the mayor / pardoner and see what they say. Its so easy to just back them up because they have that sort of "good feel" to them. Where you don't want to go against either office simply because everyone else must agree with them or they woudln't have been put in office at first. Like even now with you in a "leading position" for office, its hard to disagree with you. Its just a slight psychological thing that isn't "immaginary" as someone posted earlier. This game is all about psychology so clearly this position can help you affect the game in more ways then just the voting. The voting is huge as well, it allows you to be an extra person, however I get that its not a big deal until closer to the end. And I'm fine with getting over this election thing today, but I dont want to end it without hearing more from other people who have campaigns started. I'm kind of annoyed that most of them just wrote "I want to be mayor" and then left it at that.. | ||
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On December 13 2011 03:40 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: Zeks disappeard when I called him out for his HORRIBLE ideas. You got it. lulling me is good way to collect towncred. And pointing out I'm trying to collect towncred is a good way for you to get some good towncred too. =) | ||
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I completely agree though, there had better be a great reason if were lynching who we elect, as the whole reason we elected them was so they'd be in good positions to not die.. | ||
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On December 12 2011 12:23 Radfield wrote: Well, we have two obvious candidates for mayor/pardoner. Myself, and Palmar/Syllo. We're all three of us good players We're all good at scum hunting We all consistently get shot by mafia Night 1 and 2. We are unlikely both mafia, and have decent reads on each other if one of us is scum. The main benefit of the mayor and pardoner roles is the protection of the hidden bodyguard. With him alive, the elected roles can't be touched. As such it makes sense to use that protection to keep strong players alive, players who are likely to be targeted by mafia. In PYPInsane myself and Mig were elected, two strong town players and we cruised to victory. In this game I recommend we do the same. Palmar, Syllogism and Myself all have the ability to be completely game changing if left alive long enough, elected roles does that. Palmar and Syllo, maybe you guys weren't planning on running, but that would be foolish, and you guys aren't foolish. Obviously I have no idea of Palmar/Syllos alignment, and everyone only has one vote, so please vote for me. However, Palmar/Syllo should most likely be in second place. A vote for me is a vote for town victory. @ Arcto I think I just liked that this first post, made within like 5 minutes of the game starting was just so smart or strong or however you want to put it. Like as I said it just felt right to me. I don't really have any great reason that it felt right for me, but I definitely feel its the strongest campaign out there. He was the first to call dibs is basically what I'm saying. And NO I don't think that he is definitely town I just think his campaign was strong, hes been fairly active and he hasn't said anything stupid. + Hes experienced and came up with the idea that the election is really only about protecting two strong townies from night deaths. | ||
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PRP: "Last game I WAS scum, so it's good that a lot of people had me on their list? Also, you shouldn't be talking about Palmar's performance in XLVIII when that game is still going on. Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town?" Or at least thats how I read that to sound. So I thought this logic was really weird. I still feel that both of these positions are really strong and that having scum be them, and especially scum that are good would be the worst possible situation for town to be in. I'm not a fan of this whole If there scum they'll mess up if there elected. I've never played online though so maybe I'm wrong. Its just a feeling that if someone is good, they're not going to make an easy mistake in either place and we just have to be careful. However I get what your saying. If there fishy, we can lynch them. I just really didn't like your logic. I'm still not a huge fan of it, but I'm sure I'll see. I'll be watching those positions really closely. Anyway I kind of ranted a bit, but thats my thoughts on it. And I do think if we get a weird vibe from either Radfield or Arcto as we continue on, then we shouldn't vote for them. As of now I don't see anything fishy yet though. I'm interested to see how Radfield responds to Arcto's last question though. Geuss I'll have to wait for supper  ! | ||
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On December 13 2011 20:45 DropBear wrote: - I want to hear more from xsksc. He was extremely active in Steamship and Newbie Mafia, he has all of three posts here. - I want to hear less from Sheth. You are spamming like crazy dude and none of it is helpful. It's nice that you're excited about your first game but calm down. @OT So, hey again today guys. Yesterday I was just extremely frustrated as my computer keeps bluescreening. I'm typing this in safe mode w/ networking. I'm taking my computer in to try and get it repaired today. I might actually even buy a new computer right away, as my job depends on having a computer. This weekend + today has been extremely frustrating dealing with these computer issues. So if I dont post too much today, its because I'm trying to get my computer fixed with 100% of my abilities. Also my phone sucks for typing online, but I'll try and post with it. Ok, on topic. I find it weird you chose to call me out after I hadn't spammed or even posted in something like 5-6 pages. I may have spammed earlier, but its how I play this game. I want to go after people and see reactions and what not, and in order for me to do that I had to get out there and post. I want to hear more from xsksc as well. If a lot of you have reads that hes playing differently then last game, the best thing we can have you do is talk more. Who do you want us to lynch? And why do you think anyone wants to lynch GreyMist? On my vote for lynching I'm still waiting around to see whats up. ProfBA needs to post, but even if he does, hes just a lurker like a few others, and I say mod will get rid of him if he keeps up inactive Right? I'm actually still thinking prplhz has some weak posts and I felt like zentor just doesn't like to post, and realized oh snap I geuss I need to post. I don't think that nessecarily makes him mafia, just really lurky town. But all these acusations against him have got him to talk a bit more and I still get a town vibe. I'm still not really sure on who to kill at this point. Will re-read some posts from the last few pages again now before I take my computer away. | ||
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Election : Radfield - Its pretty much decided that radfield + arcto will be the ones who get it. We've discussed it enough. And I like Radfields vibe the most. Arcto I'm still unsure of, but theres no way I'd say something like "I think arctocod is likely mafia" like risk Lynch - Prplhz - I've always gotten some weird vibes from him. Back when he said neither elected position is at all important and him saying he thinks its better if Mafia gets one of those jobs. I think its just weird logic. I'm all for you attacking risk.nuke and looking at deus-ex above me, and I realize your not really on other peoples radar, but your definetly on mine. If you can change my mind I'll definetly change my vote, I'm just saying this now as I have to go. I'll be back to re-read this all over before actual Election time. | ||
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Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town? and then ""why is it "very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia"?"" | ||
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On December 14 2011 01:21 Arctocod wrote: Sheth, I want to lynch you. How do you feel about that? I think its silly to lynch me. I'm trying my best to be active, sharing my reads and learning. You apparently think my read on prplhz is way off. I don't know if hes mafia or not, I just didn't think I'd get to say anything more until maybe right before elections at night so I wanted to pick one person. And for me, out of what I'd read and seen I was the most worried about him. I didn't get a really solid scum feel from anyone of the cases we've brought up so far. I came up with the great idea to go to my parents house to use their computer while I wait for mine, so thats why I'm even typing anything more now. | ||
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On December 14 2011 02:52 Arctocod wrote: I don't quite understand the motivation for this post. If you are town, shouldn't you care who gets lynched today? Wouldn't you just discuss the lynch with your team mate instead of apparently just letting him decide? Why are you announcing it beforehand? Isn't the point of playing hydra to decide big decissions together? Seems to me he can be involved in this manner as well. /syllogism I thought it made sense when he said that. Hes just trying to get his friend more involved in this game, and letting us know before hand to explain why its only going to be his friend posting for a while. It doesn't mean he won't have a say in it, just that in the end he'll let his friend decide. Your really going after people now. Keep it going, I want a good scum read on someone. But I think this post made sense, even though I geuss I should just let him respond with this, maybe I'm wrong. | ||
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On December 14 2011 01:39 prplhz wrote: You have overstated your case blatantly. When you said it is "very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia", it sounded to me like you would rather have two people who are confirmed townies in office than two proven scum hunters like Radfield and Arctocod, who would be null tells. This makes no sense to me, especially after you used your "imaginary tone" to confirm Radfield, on a post that Radfield himself said was a null tell. There is no "100%" on day1, and even if there was, I would never pick 100% townie who can't reliably read the game over a day1 null tell who has the potential to ravage entire scum teams. Problem? I have argued that the people in office should be most accomplished scum hunters and I will be voting for them unless I get major scum vibes, and by major I mean major. This is also what just about everybody in this town thinks, so it is very likely the correct approach to elections. Now you are straight up lying when you say that "[prplhz] thinks its better if Mafia gets one of those jobs". Dude, this is just bad. Only mafia has a reason to lie to discredit somebody, wouldn't you agree? Town would clear matters and minds up, but you just jump to conclusion and then you discredit me and try to get me lynched. Ok. So I think were both thinking close to the same thing, but your still not thinking what I am prplhz. When I say Its "very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia" and you say "I'd rather have two people who are proven scumhunters like radfield and Arctocod" I don't disagree with you. There is a pool of people who are good scum hunters apparently. Radfield + Arcto aren't the only two who have experience, and I simply want two who feel the most townlike to me. In this game, it seems like there both talking and acting like town, but theres no reason we shoudln't analyze all of the best scum hunters and find those who seem the most "townie" for the positions. And as for me lieing to discredit you, it was just my read. I don't think we have any clear "Logic points to XXXX" reads yet, so you were just my pick. I wasn't actively saying to everyone lets get him! Just posting my reasons for why I was voting early and why I had chosen you. I think everyone who has voted and not said any reasons here for why there voting are a little suspicious. And when you say "Town would clear matters and minds up, but you jump to conclusions" thats somewhat a weird thing to say too. Right now the best thing to do as town is look for small things, and jump on them just to see what the other persons reaction is, that is HOW you clean things up. I never even jumped to a "conclusion" if you actually read closely what I posted I said "If you can change my mind I'll definetly change my vote, I'm just saying this now as I have to go. I'll be back to re-read this all over before actual Election time. " | ||
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His posts don't make much sense hes just wildly accusing whoever for no reason. He started off calling FoS on Deus-Ex and then drops it randomly and accuses Gylgas, TotallyNot2ppl, Arcto and a few others. A lot of just confusing things added in by him. I'm NOT saying hes mafia, just that I think his posts also show very little logic. And I'm simply pointing them out to the rest of you guys. Thoughts anyone ? | ||
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On December 14 2011 04:17 GreYMisT wrote: Sheth if you could "Call down the thunder" on one player in this game right now, who would it be? Either Zeks or Zentor. They've both shown that even if there not mafia, there not going to be too helpful in finding real mafia and might just confuse us more. | ||
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On December 14 2011 04:38 Arctocod wrote: You seem to be under the impression you made a mistake with prplhz? Can you please explain what mistake you think you made? Sure, thats easy. I said he thinks its best if those two positions were filled up with mafia. When in actuallity he just said "Its not bad if there filled up with Mafia". He wanted just two of the best put in at office, and I wanted the two best who are acting the cleanest, openest and most often. And instead of clearing this up by putting this last sentence I made it weirder by saying that "he thinks those positions should be mafia". It wasn't a great call, but it did get him to defend himself well at least. And I've already defended why I put it like that in an earlier post on this page or the last. I thought it might be my last time getting a good look at this thread till election or even till after that. | ||
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On December 14 2011 04:38 Arctocod wrote: You seem to be under the impression you made a mistake with prplhz? Can you please explain what mistake you think you made? So are you still wanting to lynch me? If so, why? | ||
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To start with this.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On December 12 2011 13:05 zeks wrote: [...] I probably won't be running but I hope other candidates do as I don't really want to see a Radfield/Arctocod office [...] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On December 12 2011 23:51 zeks wrote: Voting Radfield + Arc [...] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He then suggested this : As for lynch candidate tonight - I had suggested early to lynch a hydra...actually a mayor candidate would work too since scum almost ALWAYS has a mayor candidate whether it be a serious bid or not Which I thought was off. He then calls out Deus-Ex agree'ing with risk.nuke's call of FoS on Deus. I personally think this FoS was just to get Deus to post more and see what was up. So him agree'ing with that seems weird too. Then right after that he has to go to the gym for 12 hours. He comes back and then defends himself well, it was these early game things that made me feel like he wouldn't be a bad choice to get rid of. And yes, the fact that others had voted on him made me look at his argument. Hes one of the first I've filtered. And I didn't find his argument that convincing. Those were the main reasons I would get rid of him, if asked at that point in time. And as for why these two and not nisani/nyc/maser. Its because I haven't filtered through them yet. I don't think there great contributers obviously, but I havn't looked through them yet. And even though I havn't filtered through Zentor, he really quickly goes oh sense you want to hear something from me, I think we should lynch zeks. Ok bye again! And that seemed rather unhelpful as well. Thats pretty much it. | ||
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On December 14 2011 05:38 zeks wrote: Analyzing Sheth's posts Now lets look at a quick timeline of stuff he's done: 1. Ran for mayor immediately after game starts He's one of the first people to run for mayor but drops out rather quickly without challenging the other candidates. For a completely new player to immediately run for mayor practically right after game starts seems fishy. After Rad/Arc campaigns gain steam he drops out silently because he knows he has no way of winning. 2. Implying people who write a lot are not mafia? Terrible logic Note that he writes big blocks to try to fit his own category. 3. Claims he hasn't read any past games Yet it seems fishy that he does know some stuff about past games... Correct me if I'm wrong is sheepycat someone in a past game? 4. People have called me out for saying "my 6th sense says one hydra is scum" - and used that in a case against me. What about Sheth? He's been doing the same thing! Except in multiple occasions! Don't see him getting called out [Excuse my selective quoting, if you filter him and read these comments and the context it was in, you'll see that it makes no difference that i quoted it this way] This quote unsettles me too: 5. Sheth posts a lot, but he's rather wishy washy in his opinions Lynch Prplhz based on "weird vibes" Then says if given the power he'd lynch me or Zentor. After Arc pressures Sheth he backs off a bit: It appears to me he's just playing along with whatever the flavor of the week is Conclusion: If you take everything he says as truth then he's an innocent townie who's trying too hard. Otherwise he seems pretty scummy Ok, well I'll take Arcto's advice on answering this. 1. I ran for mayor to test the waters and learn what its like to run for an office. I have no experience and didn't realize the office was mainly to stop the veterans from getting shot right off. Whenever I realized this I pulled my campaign and honestly it was a good way for me to learn a lot about how to do it for the next game. 2. I imply that people who talk more are easier to get reads on. I think thats a pretty obvious thing, that you want those who are mafia to have plenty of time to slip up. I never imply people who write a lot aren't mafia. 3. Not a post by me. Wrong quote. Also sheepycat was someone I played with in Offline mafia. I've never played online before. Feel free to check. 4. My early points are just that I think its fine if radfield is mayor. I just think its a smart decision from what I've seen him type. I believe most people agree with my intuition. where as I don't really understand where your Hey lets kill a Hydra! came from. 5. I'll stop adding in extra words in my post. Sorry. | ||
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On December 14 2011 05:59 Arctocod wrote: I really, really dislike this post. First of all, I don't think you're in a position to accuse someone of not using logic, when you seem to be happy to apply very little yourself, half your reads and opinions this game have been backed by nothing but your instincts or gut. Also, why do you care so much that we don't think you're accusing him of being mafia? Most importantly, what does this post tell us? It gives us a very much unexplained case on risk.nuke, that seems to conclude nothing about his alignment. But the real idea seems to be asking town to double check your ideas. Why are you not comfortable taking responsibility for your reads and actions? Why do you need so much feedback? If you can't even convince yourself you're right, how do you expect to convince others? The only people in mafia who don't like to be listened to are mafia. You claimed in one of your posts to be cocky and egoistic, I haven't seen any of that. What I have seen is that your filter is already painful to read because your thoughts aren't coherent, What I have seen is that you're insecure in your reads and you don't fully commit to anything, which seems to be an awfully self-centered approach to the game. The only saving grace is that your flowing and chaotic style of posting seems to be something unlikely for a new scum to do, rather an overenthusiastic townie. But I expect you to shape up from this point on. You don't want to be in a position where you're getting by because people think you're bad enough to post these things as town too. Why do you flop so hard on your reads when I attack them? How do you know I'm not mafia trying to defend a scumbuddy? Do you actually care who we lynch tonight? Or is it okay that we lynch just about anyone as long as it isn't you. I'm getting that feeling. I tried to start this game off with a just go fast attitude. I realized I didn't know plenty of the rules and ideas behind playing this online. There are a lot of things that are different in offline vs online. And honestly I'm going through a lot of people and changing who I think is mafia becase thats what you do early game. You get everyone involved and talking. And honestly there are a few people who I think are clean based upon there reactions to my posts. I don't know if your mafia or not, but you have a lot of power behind you either way as a veteran. I'm trying not to step on your toes and die right off. And as for who we lynch tonight it obviously has to be someone we have a good read on. It shoudln't be me, but I'm as of yet unconvinced who I'd like to kill. I'm asking for others oppinions on this because I want to see other peoples reads on people. In offline we always just sleep day1 or kill someone we heard moving at night. So thats about as unflowery as I can make it. | ||
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On December 14 2011 06:47 prplhz wrote: @Liquid`Sheth Why did you lie? What made you think I had done something which I hadn't? Can you maybe quote some posts and take me through your thought process? I'm quite aware that I can be misunderstood, I'm just wondering if you did it on purpose or by accident. It wasn't meant as a lie. It was a really poor choice of words. When you said : Last game I WAS scum, so it's good that a lot of people had me on their list? Also, you shouldn't be talking about Palmar's performance in XLVIII when that game is still going on. Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town? -- I thought this was a weird post. When you said "Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum?" I took this to mean I don't mind if Mayor / Pardoner are mafia. I then missworded it. You also said "Why is it important that Mayor / Pardoner not be 100% mafia?". Those two points were why I thought this. I missworded it by saying "He thinks its better if mafia gets these positions". I just got that vibe from you and misswrote. | ||
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As for miquoting you again, are you kidding? Its the same thing. Are you really talking about semantics like "mayor and pardoner" aren't equal to "elected officials"? You're really intent on pushing this huh? | ||
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My missquote :"Why is it important that Mayor / Pardonder not be 100% mafia?" One of the things you said that bothered me :"Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum?" Here you say basically "Why would it be important that Mayor / Pardoner be not mafia?" So even though I missquoting you on which line, you actually did say that. I'm kind of starting to get worried about you now... | ||
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Will keep thinking and reading new posts while trying to decide who I want to lynch. I think common sense is to put up another hydra, either Deus-ex or ProfBA as the next Pardoner. Deus-Ex are you on right now? What are you thoguhts of this? And ProfBA do you want to be Pardoner? | ||
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Also, as I don't know who is really experienced. Are there any other top level players that think they'll die tonight? | ||
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Everyone started to pressure both myself and dropbear, letting off of zeks + mrzentor for a bit. Eventually we started to back off of me and dropbear and then arcto said he was planning on lynching Nisani. A little bit after that Arcto (The guy you said was Arcturus I believe) "removed" himself from running for office. We think at best geuss this was a power not used by himself and as he isn't speaking now, he is either asleep, afk or the power used has prevented him from talking. So now were all trying to find out who to put in an elected position instead of Arcto. I believe the msot votes for lynch are for MrZentor at the moment, and the top candiate for Pardoner is ProfBA with Deus-Ex in a close second. | ||
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On December 14 2011 10:27 zeks wrote: Radfield has been highly suspicious of ProfessorBA Arcto has been suspicious of Sheth The timing of when ProfessorBA came out to run and the fact that he got so much more active during this time period concerns me Voting deus When your explaining something to Deus, someone who wasn't here for most of the day, try and get your facts straight. I don't know about the Radfield thing, but saying just "Arcto has been suspicious of Sheth" right after I posted "Arcto had been suspicious of me for most of the day and then switched to nisani" is really bad. I know Deus got to read my post, because he responded to it, but at least don't make the same missquoting mistake I did. As for the timing of when ProfBA came to run, well I think thats just because of the crazy Arcto Ability. I'm actually more suprised Radfield, nor TNTP, nor Deus-Ex (Super) aren't here to run for it, or even bring it up. Shouldn't they be here to actively take a role in the end of the election on day1? Isn't is pretty normal for almost everyone to be here when we decide the vote? | ||
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NOW for the lynch. I don't want to lynch Nisani. I've read his filter and he just seems townie to me. As for MrZentor, I'm ok voting him for the lynch. A lot of his posts just look like hes trying to throw suspicion off of himself no matter how he can. I know thats not a great sign that hes mafia, but his posts seem so nervous and defensive lately. I did like the post recently where someone talked about how Mafia would stop bandwagons though. But then theres always the meta that your trying to do that now. I think as of right now I'm voting for MrZentor, unless we add some things in the last few minutes. I'll go put it down now, but am open to changing it if you have a really great candiate Radfield. | ||
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On December 14 2011 11:06 risk.nuke wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2011 11:02 Radfield wrote: OK, haven't read the last few pages yet, but I fully agree with this. ProfessorBadass, even though I have a slight scum read, should be the pardoner. Curu is a strong townie, and my day 1 reads are not the best. EVERYONE VOTE PROFESSORBADASS FOR PARDONER Now we stop talking about the election and talk about the lynch again. We are not lynching Zentor. He softclaimed blue, and did it in a way that newbie townies normally do it. For now, I am inclined to believe him. If mafia want to shoot him because of the blue-slip, great! Either way, we are NOT using our lynch on him. xsksc and refallen are the two targets I think we should look at. Both of them look very scummy if you read their filters. I'm not sure which one yet, but people should start discussing them. catching up now... look at how badass is looking for new bandwagon cases. Do you really want to risk putting him as pardoner? This post wasn't made by ProfBA. What bandwagon are you reffering to? | ||
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What do you guys think about removing Eiii ? And Eiii why don't you think Nisani is at all scummy? Did you read Arcto's post on it? Also, what do you think about us lynching you tonight? | ||
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On December 14 2011 11:41 Radfield wrote: If we're taking out a lurker I would prefer evantrees. Ok looking at evantrees. He hasn't said much and no one has really broughten him up. Let me check out his posts~ | ||
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On December 14 2011 11:56 xsksc wrote: If you wanted us to lynch Grey, Risk, why not make a strong case on him? You're so sure of him being scum, but I haven't seen anything scummy about his play thus far. I know you're capable of making a good case, I've seen you do it before, why not now? Yes I agree with this. You didn't really have much of a case at all on Grey and when he asked you about it multiple times you didn't answer with anything good. Why is this ? | ||
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I was somewhat worried about him a few posts ago when he was shouting against the Nisani Lynch. The way he said it just seemed like he was almost too sure that he wasn't mafia. The rest of his posts seem good. Other then that one little bit with NOTTT NISANNIII he seems mostly just lurky with a slight negative attached. | ||
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Evantrees you've said some pretty retarted things. Why would you say that you want to "Lynch for fun?" and you just joined the bandwagon on Nisani at the time. Why is it a lynch for fun? Why did you start the ball rolling on doing a RNG for Pardoner? Then when defending yourself you actually said something along the lines of I don't know what to do to help. That was your whole defence. None of your posts were longer then 2 sentences even. So, please answer this post in more then 2 sentences, heck more then 2 paragraphs would be nice. @Prplhz Last night you caught zeks on something on page 43, he answered on page 43 and then again on 44. Do you think he answered your question well? If not, do you think its still a relavent point? | ||
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Not at all trying to take away from your talk about Comp/Drop/Blood and the Vigil hit~ | ||
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On December 14 2011 11:53 zeks wrote: can the subset of lurkers not intersect with the subset of town players? what has he said that has seem overly scummy to you over another lurker like evantrees or refallen and why the hell have we jumped around 4 different candidates this late this is terrible On December 14 2011 11:58 zeks wrote: I am merely comparing the situations in which who would give us more to work with the next day assuming both are dead townies For those who don't feel like going through the pages I linked. | ||
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Then when asked a second time, you answer that you were "merely comparing the situations in which you would give us more to work with the next day assuming both are dead townies". I don't believe either of these answered the question and the second time doesn't seem to make sense to me either. After you answer these, do you still think Nisani is town? | ||
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On December 15 2011 03:34 zeks wrote: Sheth you ask an overwhelming amount of questions and reasoning for seemingly everything and if I don't answer in an allotted time thats supposed to be a scum tell I understand you probably have some bad blood against me just cause I built a long case on you a while back but go filter me and you'll see I've been pro town the whole time with nothing to hide I just went through and did just that. You've said a few things that seemed off in our little 2 hourish time constraint thing. But yea I see what where your coming from when you said those things. The wording and the way you said it didn't make too much sense at first to me. I didn't realize how you said Nisani was a town at the end of that post. I'm ok with you now. After clearing that up I see where your coming from. As just a side point, the thing I found weird during our time constraint, was that you agreed with Evantrees to do a RNG on Pardoner. However again, I think your townie after re-reading your stuff yet again. | ||
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I feel like Evantrees is either bad scum, or bad townie. Not really recomending we do a Check/Vig tonight, but would like to discuss Lynch if hes still around tomorrow. | ||
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Please lets during the night, really focus on who we want Vig shotted. I don't think figuring out who we want rolechecked is smart and we already know who the medics are on. | ||
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On December 15 2011 12:20 Radfield wrote: Well, so much for my protection.... Ok, so Arctocod for Secretary of Defence. Then the medic ability can be WIFOMed between the two of us. Someone who is very likely town in Surgeon General, probably Gigyas. I assume someone took a hit last night? On December 15 2011 12:45 Radfield wrote: Whoops, I read the Surgeon General wrong. He does not act as a medic himself, instead he makes a different player a medic with 2 protections. Not sure what the best play is there then. I'll think about it in the morning. Was your writing of both of these just an accident? You said that the ability could be WIFOM'ed between two people in a post before and then this one you say that you read it wrong. It seems that you already knew this. Giygas + Arcto are the obvious two picks for the positions. Arcto, your acting unlike you this last day. I'm not very happy that you killed Eiii without waiting to hear him respond. And with all of the elected other powers, like pardoner / mayor we agreed that it should be majority. Why is it so different here in Giygas ONLY asking you Arcto? I really think this was if nothing else stupid. Even if we have one person who is "for sure clean" which I think Arcto is, its stupid to only go off of his oppinion. I realize I havn't been here for this so I can't complain too much. But I'm really suprised in this. Why did you just decide to take this power just on yourself Arcto? We could have discussed more as a group who we wanted to vig shot and then went with that. I even posted before I went "Hey lets figure out who we should vig shot this night" and then it wasn't figured out as a group, but only as you two. I understand why you did this and its easy for me to judge, but still. | ||
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On December 15 2011 12:31 Refallen wrote: I think Arc should be the secretary, since the surgeon role is probably simpler, and we don't even know what the SoD does. Probably Arc would be experienced enough to do a better job of the SoD. Also, now that prplhz is dead (and was clearly town in day 1 imo), what can we say about people who suspected him in day 1, which iirc included Sheth? The fact that I suspected Prplhz adds a slight percentage more that I could be mafia. It doesn't say anything more about me being town. Other people have had other false calls, like Eiii for instance. Or even as a group we did Spaackle. Those who suspected Prplhz or Eiii or xsksc have the same thing applied to them. Just a slightly higher chance there mafia. It only really means something if someone defends or really attacks someone who flips mafia. | ||
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So, last night we had a few interesting things occur. One, was the "Town Vig shot" on Eiii. And then we had the 2 deaths announced at the end, where xsksc and prplhz were killed. Also, Arcto claims that there was a mafia shot on him and that he lived through it. Arctocod says "we were shot last night, amazing. So now we "Know" where the 3 KP of the mafia were used. As long as we assume Arctocod is town, which I do. It was used on xsksc + prplhz + arcto. Makes sense right?! Wrong. Why would mafia waste a KP that come on, lets be honest shouldn't be used singly on Arcto. There are other options here that I've thought of. So let me discuss them. If instead of this, one of xsksc / prplhz was killed by another vigilante and Arcto was double stacked and still saved. Which I find unlikely, but not impossible. Or a newbie medic, despite us yelling to save Arcto chose to save someone else and magically got it correct and Arcto is just lieing. Also pretty much impossible. With Arcto now claiming to be shot and no one else coming out with "I was shot at night" or no one else dead, we can assume he really was shot. This has been pretty simple logic so far and not at all what I'm trying to get at. The major points I'm saying so far is that Mafia using 1 KP on Arctocod was a stupid move. Theres no way around it. One option of this stupid move was just that were dealing with "Newbie" mafia. I suppose some other options include that the ability to make Arctocod step down, took 1 KP is possible. However I think thats unlikely. After thinking this all through last night I was thinking to myself what if the kill that Giygas / Arcto used was actually a mafia KP. I think theres a chance that Giygas is a "Mafia Vig" who is doing this simply for town cred. This leads to a whole new area of thought where you have to wonder how legitimate Arcto is and if Mafia had this whole situation planned out for a while. I don't really want to get in to that here. I want to go more into why I think this was a Mafia Vig Shot. As we all know, last night Arctocod recieved a package, a letter asking who to hit with a "Letter bomb" I'm just calling it that because someone already did. It ended up killing Eiii a blue townie. This letter bomb wasn't used as a group town ability simply as a "Giygas / Arctocod" ability. And it was sent to Arctocod while they were looking at Eiii quite harshly I believe. This part I'm not completely sure of, but I think its possible Giygas could geuss that Arctocod wasn't pressuing a mafia at the time so he would get a good townie to kill. This would explain the one thing that was bugging me while I slept. Why did Arctocod get a KP used on him? I think its possible Giygas's power did this. I can definetly see a power in this game like "Mafia Terrorist" Once per game you may exchance a Mafia KP for sending a private PM to one player and this player will appear to have been shot at night and saved and then sending a second private PM that will detonate killing chosen player". This is basically the power that Giygas used, minus the few things that make it mafia. This power would simply makes a Mafia player look like a legit town vigilante. I think its definetly a possiblility, almost likely considering I think its either this or Mafia has no veterans and just chose to waste one hit on Arcto. This could have been watched and obviously was going to be protected so I can't even see newbies making this mistake. Or something else I haven't thought of yet. | ||
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And I could have made a TL:DR of it I geuss that simplifies it a bit. That Giygas' role could be mafia and part of it was that the first person messaged "appears to be shot" and the second person actually is. I dont' think its that far fetched of a role, as that role was basically created in this game, minus the 2 mafia parts. | ||
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On December 16 2011 05:09 GreYMisT wrote: While that is a "possible" explination sheth, It is far too prone to risks for a scum team to attempt. If what you are saying is true and arcto and giygas are scum, then they would be in an even better position now if they had just left arcto in office, and used the kp on a more active townie than Eii. Now that MrZentor has been confirmed I would like to hear what Zeks has to say, he has been at MrZentor's throat for a while now. I'm not implying Arcto is scum. Only that theres a chance Giygas' ability was scum. @risk.nuke Hm, I can see what you mean. But I think if medics didn't save Arcto, we'd kill medics. That was the plan a while back. We made absolutely sure that medic should be on Arcto. All medics or medic abilities even should be on Arcto. I think if mafia decided to take a luck shot, that its likely mafia isn't full of veterans. @Zeks, it was really complicated how I said it. I geuss I should have went for the smaller way of writing it, but it just made so much sense in my head. I think its still very possible that Giygas' role is scum. I still don't have a great reason for why they'd kp Arcto. I get that the simplest answer is usually the correct one, I just don't see any really simple answers as to why Arcto was shot. That said, I will drop it. I'm not completely convinced, but as I haven't read giygas' filter I geuss I should do that too. I just thought this was a pretty good explaination for that oddity. | ||
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I think theres a chance mafia can mess with our Lynch like they messed with our Election. So I'd like to have a backup lynch discussion as well. Secondly I think we need a third person who we would vote in, in case Mafia can remove one election candidate again. I geuss as another point, bumatlarge please do what VisceraEyes did; re-read what you can when you can and comment on what you think about it. | ||
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MarserBlood, do you want to lynch Curu? Comprissant, where have you been? Cwave, Why are Deus + Arcto both agree'ing Curu is scum really? Like whats behind the obvious? TNTP, What makes you any different in the argument Arcto + Deus are making about Curu? Risk.Nuke, as of now who would you vote off? BumatLarge, Please go over some of the past info and post what you think about it. Or this info, who would you kill if you had to now? Jitsu, Who do you want in office tonight? Cascades, I'm running out of questions, answer some of the above ones. Also, Arcto I disagree with you in being sure mafia won't remove you from running again. Arcto you seem sure that they can use the ability to remove a candidate again. I don't know if its far fetched that maybe they can use it each cycle even. Are you against finding a third candidate now while we aren't rushed, while you aren't sleeping and get it ready before 2hours or so before the end? Finding a third should be standard procedure now I think. | ||
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After this I'm really confused. I will say for sure I think Deus said something that was true. What arctocod has done lately is really just kill the town atmosphere. Can we just go back on risk.nuke and kill ProfBA next round? This is making this round horribly annoying. Arctocod singing, no Radfield, lurkers being lurkers. Why did we have to extend this 24 more hours. | ||
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On December 17 2011 05:46 Arctocod wrote: It's pretty funny how someone is always saying how I'm killing the town atmosphere when I'm pressuring scum. See: XLVIII And your pointing at me for saying it? Deus was the one who said it, I was merely agree'ing because of the way you did it. You joke about it like Hey I'll probably post reasons later. You say thats a joke later on and seriously your case was just we think this and you said we'll provide evidence later. How about provide it now and quit being so lazy? If its good I'll be happy to kill Prof, I might be happy to kill him anyway with this ability anyway but I want to let him talk about it first. | ||
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On December 17 2011 05:47 GiygaS wrote: I'm not being a sheep. What town role would be to silence someone? Also, ProfBA is basically quitting, so fuck him. What town role would be to stop an election candiate (Eiii)? God THINK man THINK. I don't care if you come up with random bad stuff, just actually THINK and use logic please. | ||
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On December 17 2011 05:47 GiygaS wrote: I'm not being a sheep. What town role would be to silence someone? Also, ProfBA is basically quitting, so fuck him. Also something your forgetting is if he has the ability to silence someone and hes mafia WHY didn't he silence Arctocod at the beggining of all of his ramblings. This is getting really dumb. The only thing I hate about this so far is when people who have been perfectly logical all game just start doing stupid things. I might be, but I'm getting angry at all of the other stupid things =/ | ||
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On December 17 2011 05:26 kitaman27 wrote: Please stay tuned for the following announcement: ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ad0Gd8TzvbA/TS4glme70rI/AAAAAAAABCM/nc3bIs_DNKw/s1600/paparazzi600x399.jpg) Breaking news! We at channel 27 provide you with an exclusive scoop! With his recent rise to political fame, ProfessorBadass was not ready for the sudden rush of stalking paparazzi. ProfessorBadass has locked himself in his house. All requests for interviews or comments were denied. Stay tuned for more news! Ok, @Giygas sorry but its so frustrating. You can think for 5 seconds before you post something and I wont have to correct you. This could be wrong, but the way this is worded, if we hadn't know ProfBA was doing something crazy theres no way we'd have known who silenced Arcto. I don't want you to be quiet, please keep talking JUST THINK. GAH | ||
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On December 17 2011 05:55 Arctocod wrote: I like how Sheth's did a complete transformation as soon as we started lynching Profbadass. I agreed with you without evidence because I thought we were going to just train him and put a lot of pressure on and see if a whole bunch of ppl who were lurkers suddenly popped up with "nono thats stupid don't do it!" And then when a few ppl did that, instead of pressuring them you actually used no logic to keep up with attacking ProfBA and just said no were doing this. I wanted to pressure him a lot to bring out profBA as well, and then when he came out we could get a better read and then maybe keep going. But when he came out, you didn't pressure him you just ignored logic and now hes silenced. Your not even using logic any more Arcto, ask Deus if you don't believe me. Or Post your evidence please. | ||
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On December 17 2011 12:58 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: ...what? My friend was traveling today and therefore I haven't been in touch with him and he hasn't been keeping up with the thread. He'll be back and contributing when he can. The being inactive as scum is part of Erandorr's meta...I have no scum meta as I have yet to be scum, so that part doesn't apply to me either. What in the fuck is that? How was the rest of it filler? How do you know it was just a pressure play? You didn't write the post. Deus said it was, and it was what I assumed going in to it. | ||
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On December 17 2011 07:01 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: okay palmar. curus role is a scumrole and he didnt defend himself. i guess you were right. however you have to admit, that my play would have made sense, if he actually was town. good guy bad guy psychology etc. now that curu won't make trouble, we can focus on the post-curu-time. i want to know what you guys think about me and where i am on your list. depending on that i may going to play more transparent to avoid confusion. if you actually lean (correctly) towards town, I keep playing the same and continue to ask my questions etc. i also want to make sure that i survive night2. i am still not convinced of giygas being a superior electioncandidate compared to myself. Here ya go~ | ||
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On December 17 2011 19:04 Arctocod wrote: Radfield I can also pretty much guarantee that Sheth is scum. You can probably just realize why when you look at his play throughout the game. His actions around the time professorbadass started to get votes is particularly bad. We'll write a case either today or tomorrow. I'm not scum. Feel free to write a case, I'm just trying really hard to play correctly this game. I'm re-reading people now, but I have my best friend's sisters wedding today. So yea, and yes I know it seems I always have something I have to do. If I didn't I'd just stream forever. | ||
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On December 19 2011 00:24 Jitsu wrote: I agree with Radfield on protecting himself and Arcto with medic powers, definitly. At this point, I don't think it's even worthwhile to hide if you receive a medic power, because if it can drag a mafia KP off of Radfield and Arcto for them to survive another night, than that's successful. I revert to phrase where it says "You win with town." Not "You with with town if you are alive." I also have a strong feeling with Sheth. He was pretty hard up for defending Curu after he went apeshit and blew his power. Than when he realized he wasn't going to turn anyone to his cause in defending him, he jumped. A side note: Sheth was heavily defending Curu up until GreyMist and I "spoke logically." + Show Spoiler + On December 17 2011 05:46 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Also, ProfessorBA quit being a retard. Don't let just arctocod's rambling ruin this game please. It appears you have used some sort of power.. Should you tell us anything so we know whats going on please Prof? Arctocod shut up on lynching him please. Its getting old and stunting EVERY OTHER thing in this thread. On December 17 2011 05:46 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Giygas you think thats a mafia power? Please tell me why you think that other then just Arctocod said it would be? Freaking sheep. On December 17 2011 06:17 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Jitsu + Greymist Yay logic. You two make me happy. #Vote: ProffessorBadAss This is when Sheth blew up during the primary CuruGate scandle. He was employing a lot of different strategies, trying to convince people to get their votes off of Curu. Pleading with Arcto to ease pressure, asking everyone to think logically and seek reason...than when GreyMist and I "spoke logically" he turned. I think he realized no one was going to deny that Curulynch. Its because at the time Arctocod was leading town with the whole I know hes mafia and I'll explain later! thing. I could tell it was just a way to push at him using both Arcto + Deus intelligently and then Arcto just took it a bit too far to be beneficial in my point of view. It worked and Curu was red, but I think if Curu had just responded intelligently to Arcto's claims we might not have lynched him. And the other time Arcto got like that he killed Eiii. I just didn't want to see two townies killed for no reason. And I had a lot of reasons that I could see Curu actually being town. He did some weird things if you look at his play now from a mafia point of view. Why would you announce you locked yourself in your room for instance with your power? Anyway were 2 for 2 recently so lets keep this going. I'm not sure about Greymist I'll need to go through and filter it, but I thought his play looked very pro townie early and just lazy townie after no one started calling him out. I need to go get some reads on people by filtering them, but for now I'm just going to keep reading and analyzing. | ||
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On December 19 2011 01:58 Jitsu wrote: I thought we came to the conclusion that there wasn't a double lynch? Unless i'm missing something? Correct. | ||
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On December 19 2011 01:50 MrZentor wrote: I merely said I couldn't be lynched that night and let you guys guess after that. For the double lynch, we should probably kill Sheth and Greymist. Sheth defended the mafia godfather a lot, and his excuse for it is weak. Grey led the election of PBA as pardoner. You thought what Arctocod was doing was great logic then Zentor? | ||
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Anyway I'd like Deus-ex to be one of the roles, and I'm not sure on the other. I really don't trust Zentor so not him. I'd lean somewhat towards Deus-ex and I'll think about the other one... I honestly think Grey is fine too. I havn't gotten a scum vibe from any of his posts. And please, someone try and post whatever argument you think Arctocod would have written up against me. He wanted me out, so now it could look even more like I'm mafia. However please, ask me anything, I'm town. It should be somewhat obvious in my posts that I'm not mafia. Just read them in context and realize I knew what was going on in the hunt for ProfBA and tried to help him get lynched at first. Then arcto seemingly went crazy. So please ask me anything, and I'm going to filter some more people, from Grey's filter I really don't think he should be our lynch... Grey what do you think about me being mafia ? Do you find it weird that Arcto was allowed to be killed tonight? Do you think this says something about "c" possibly? | ||
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risk.nuke Ok I geuss just two, but I don't think those two are really heping us out much, so losing them to modkill can't be too bad. Especially considering they both seemed somewhat scummy to me. -_- | ||
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On December 19 2011 15:03 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: no vigilante on greymist? that's so sad. We got to lynch him, then. Do we have the doublelynch today? I'd say its good to activate it now. There was no such thing as the doublelynch, Radfield made it up. | ||
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(I only looked at Lynch thread, thinking everyone would vote in both, I was way off) Comprissent Zeks Cascades So those 3 and risk.nuke marserblood | ||
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On December 19 2011 15:30 GiygaS wrote: Sheth, you should post a link to everybody's filter ^_^ I will if its still not working 2morro... Going to sleep now. | ||
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On December 19 2011 23:14 Jitsu wrote: The pot calling the kettle black. Don't like it. Also, i'm somewhat curious. Isn't strongly pushing for modkills somewhat scummy play? I could care less if those players are modkilled. But if I was mafia, I could make a case that I would want players modkilled so I didn't have to do it myself. Even if they do get replaced, it's much easier to convince others to vote for them. We've had a large amount of time to pick apart their play. Not in the replacements case. Even as far as VE goes, I couldn't figure him out at all until he suicide killed the Godfather. I've been in a bad mood towards this game ever since Arctocod got me somewhat upset. And I really dislike it when people aren't helping, I didn't realize a few people just miss formatted their votes. Also I simply thought it was the rules that they'd get removed as that was why I was posting who would be removed so we don't have to even watch their filters or anything. I'd really like Deus-ex and someone else. I think TNTP would fit in. I REALLY don't want to give it to risk.nuke just because of the way you've played this game so far. I'm not saying you seem scummy, I just think you'd use the roll too agressively even if its not the best for town. So I'd really like to see Deus-Ex and TotallyNot in the two roles tonight. And let me add in the filters you guys are missing in my next post. Also, I think its smart if we have a few targets for who to check. Obviously if anyone gets roleblocked today come out with it and theres our obvious pick for who to save / check. Radfield : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=52884 risk.nuke : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=76576 cascades : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=53202 | ||
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I think its definetly more important to have the watch used wisely and if we say its "For sure going to be on Radfield" well we've wasted our watch for a save. If we think Radfield is scum, we shouldn't have given him the medic power to start with so Case 3 is just bad. And in case 4, I geuss thats why we say for the Watcher to choose one out of a small pool, such as Radfield and whoever we elect. This in effect can save them all. Its definetly smarter to not just say "Were using it on Radfield!" when we can do so much more with it -_- | ||
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On December 16 2011 08:44 GreYMisT wrote: Ok here are my top three at the moment 1, nyczbrandon: Filter link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=138684 Notice in his posts how nothing constructive happens, almost everything is asking a question. He is very passive follows the majority for most of the day. He is also very careful to not take a stance on anything really, and only backs up other people, or makes side comments. at the moment I am much less sure on the ones below, have to keep reading. 2.Evantress http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=78429 Does a better job of trying to appear town than nycz, but most of his posts are empty, consider the following 2: Both of these really have no need to get posted, the second one in particular is just a list of the people who voted for who, something we all can get accsess to. Also he showed a lack of caring who got into office/the lynch day 1. executing a RNG on both initally, and after being told not to still showed some minor apathy for it. When I am reading Evantress's posts, im seeing a whole lot of nothing, disguised as something. 3. Cascades http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=53202 this post in particular turns me on: he said that this is a post both town and scum radfield can make...yes those are the 2 aleingments in the game. The goal of this post while reading it from a mafia perspective seem to be to seed distrust against rad, while preparing for the Arc withdrawl later. This post srikes me as fishy as well, He says if he could repeat last night he would lynch spaakles again. wtf? the only purpose this serves to say is to try to defend your actions by appealing to the sense that you are a towine out crusading against what is wrong and illogical in the world. I see no town motive for this post as well. Those are my scum reads atm radfield, and i would like to see more posts out of them as they have been rather absenst this cycle. I really think Cascades is a better choice then nycz or evantrees, but I don't like evantrees either. I just find this last post of Cascades really fishy after re-reading it. | ||
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On December 20 2011 07:26 risk.nuke wrote: Greymist Beeing in favor of electing the professor+ Show Spoiler + On December 12 2011 17:05 GreYMisT wrote: I agree with you that arctocod will most likely be my vote for mayor. Im leaning on electing prof. badass over rad atm, but ultimatly i am ok with either being elected into the pardoner position. the point i mentioned about radfield was just something that stood out to me initially, and sets me off on voting him for mayor. anyway, bedtime, final in a few hours. yay. He tries to make a case on Jitsu but for some reason he doesn't ask professor whom he belives is town and should be a good scumhunter for thoughts, he only asks random townies. (That is weird) No, really. Townies ask who they belive are their strongest townreads for thoughts, scum asks random townies to gain towncred with the illusion that they are discussing. He votes for MrZentor who I am sure is town because of his abillity. He tries to discredit me with some weak metagame analysis. he is comfortable with lynching nisani (ViceraEyes) When he says he is changing his mind about me he first calls me null-read and then he says he thinks I am town. This entire post is an attempt to appease me. Greymist says this, to try and win me over. Since Townie A who gets called a townie gets less suspicious of Person B who said he says he thinks Townie A is town. The part involving me is just some weird singled out points to disguise the real purpose of the post. The point of this post was to discreetly call me town so I would stop tunneling him. You might say that he would do that even if he was town because nobody wants to be tunneled but no, this only makes sense if he KNOWS I am town. Because if I were scum when this post got put put under the magnifying glass those weak points could get him lynched ergo you don't do this unless you KNOW. He is reluctant to lynch the professor Here we're at it again, he keeps beliving the professor is town but his posts doesn't show any real strenght behind his belifes, they are just there when it's voting time. Conclusion: Mafia Ok, I'll try and show you that this isn't a really good read on him. For the first post in the end when we had no time to think it over and Arcto had went to sleep I thought it was a perfectly logical conclusion considering we wanted it for the protection and he was a veteran hydra so seemed smart from a townie point of view. He then changes to just saying any of the 3 hydras and that Arctocod was his favorite choice. 2nd : I've asked random townies all of the time. All Arctocod did was ask random townies. Its how you begin to get reads on everyone is by getting them to post. I'd think its more of a scum tell if he only asked ProfBA for what he thought on these matters. The 3rd point is tough. He did change completely on risk.nuke, but I think most of us did as well. For a while there in day2 he was our lynch target I think. He said some really crazy things and just acted really aggressive with no proof.(Risk did I mean) And I think Grey's reasoning for why Risk.nuke isn't mafia was one of the main reasons I don't think Risk is mafia. So in the end I think this 3rd point isn't valid, because most of us were looking harshly at risk.nuke and now we consider him very heavily town. Then for the last one where he wanted to vote off ProfBA... I couldn't find where he said anything about it. Please what page of the filter? | ||
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On December 20 2011 07:43 MrZentor wrote: I have to go for a while and will be way too tired when I get back to explain in full, so I will summarize quickly and try to get the full report tomorrow. Grey led the town to elect PBA. He hasn't really helped the town at all. He has committed several mistakes(such as thinking secretary of defense was a public role check) that led to time being wasted explaining his mistake to him. This all makes him pretty suspicious. You look pretty suspicious, because you seem to be illogical(not that I am) and tried to defend the godfather without any real reason. Now you are defending Grey, and it seems you don't have any real reasons behind your thoughts. This means if Grey flips scum, it will confirm that you are a scum and should be lynched. If Grey flips town, it will make you seem a less guilty. We could kill you, but Grey seems more suspicious; I don't think we have a good enough case for your death. Yet. I think electing PBA was the obvious smart move, I dont see how that can make someone scum. Maybe TNTP or Deus would have been elected if they were posting at all then, but I dont think they were. I defended ProfBA because there was no real logic behind the claim that he was mafia it was just "errandor doesn't post when hes mafia" and a few other points that were correct, but really impossible to know without having played plenty of games with erran/curu I geuss. So I don't see how Grey or myself should have known this was true. And whether or not Grey flips scum shouldn't confirm I am scum or that I'm less guilty. I just want to use logic and I think MarserBlood (jj2a or somethingw now), Comprissent, Cascades and whoever else aren't posting at all and check them for scum. Nycz or w/e too. I'm really unhappy with how Cascades looks atm and would love to hear Radfields or Jj2a's oppinions on his filter. I'm not happy with linching Greymist today. | ||
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On December 20 2011 08:15 Jitsu wrote: Well, i'm a new one to the lynch GreYMisT train, but I do have this simple question. Why are you two so buddy-buddy? I don't think hes Mafia so I'm trying to point out if someone isn't using logic when making a case against him. If it was a case based on logic I'd definetly be cool for killing him, but I'm worried atm. | ||
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On December 20 2011 08:15 risk.nuke wrote: "Arcto I understand your suspicions of curu, but do you really feel confident in lynching him based on the little you provided? Why him and not some of the other candidates we have presented?" - greymist "How can you expect us to agree to lynch curu when you openly admit to being lazy and not putting effort info other cases, and then saying you will only "Probally" give your reasoning. Just because you are very likely town does not excuse you." - greymist "I am holding off on voting prof. badass until arctocod can give their reasoning. Weren't you the one a few pages back who said we need to not follow you guys blindly?" - greymist I agree with all of these points that Greymist brought up then. That was really why I was against lynching him in the first place. Arco said he was lazy and even thought he said he was joking when he said he would "Probably" give his reasoning, he never did give it. I'd need something more then this to feel confident in voting out Greymist. Even if you end up lynching him then me, please look at Nycz and Cascades and Marser and so forth. Also Cwave what do you think on this matter? You said you hate getting asked in like we asked you earlier, but thats because your not posting. | ||
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On December 20 2011 08:28 zeks wrote: Its not that theres no real logic, you're just not reading or comprehending any of it ProfBA's lynch was not completely on meta First of all him coming out of the woodworks and asking for pardoner position at a perfect timing after Arc got taken out should've been an indication to you The fact that he gave up so easily and played the frustrated townie is another indication The fact that he has barely contributed to any town discussion is an indication You can take meta for what its worth and sometimes you should trust the vets Do we really need to spell it out for you ? If you thought there was no logic behind the claim that he's mafia you think we got him on luck? I get that there all small things that add up to it. Those posts we were talking about however was done before he gave up. I thought he contributed quite a bit to town when he was here. Just was inactive quite a bit, I think the same can be said for TNTP, when hes here hes really helpful, but hes randomly here or not. And yes I don't think its luck, but Arctocod never used any of those as reasoning for voting him off, except for that he came out as pardoner perfectly, which I now see was a great tell that he was mafia, but it made sense from town as well. I'm working on it Zeks. =/ | ||
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We should watch out as I think the mafia with the power to do something to elections could possibly still remove Greymist. So who would we put in if they remove him from the running? Also, I recomend people go through the filters for NYCZ and those others that me + greymist have been talking about. Just because they havn't posted much recently doesn't make them mafia as Dropbear proved! | ||
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On December 20 2011 13:37 Refallen wrote: Ok, so I'm having a bad feeling about sheth because of this. He has accused several people over the course of this thread of being mafia, let's list them out now. Day 1 - zeks - MrZentor (claimed blue?) - prplhz (VT) And then he bandwagoned spaackle, which is fine, except that he flipped blue too. Day 2 - really convoluted case on Giygas (who by the way I think most of us can say is definitely town) - really resistant on voting for ProfBadass until it seems like his lynching is inevitable (then jumped on the bandwagon and said how Greymist & Jitsu actually posted logic as an excuse? to vote ProfBadass) All these things when taken in isolation probably dosen't mean much, but I have a bad feeling when it all comes from the same person. I helped start the bandwagon on ProfBA. Then I got off of it whenever I thought Arctocod had went too far. Deus-ex did the same thing and I just was more vocal of my wanting reasoning for kicking him off. Then when ProfBA did his crazy I'm locked in a room thing I was resistant for a bit because it didn't seem very mafia, why wouldn't he use it on someone else for instance, but then I got it and agreed. Was just trying to be smart about it. | ||
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That was why I joined in on the bandwagon. I get that I was wrong in the end about ProfBA and apparnetly Arcto had an amazing argument, but he didn't post it. I still think if we'd just followed Arcto's maybe I'll post it at the end argument we end up lynching people like Greymist or forcing ppl like Greymist out of hiding. I get that its good if we have a good scum read, but at that point I didn't like Arcto's case. | ||
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Also, Where do you think I'm pushing the lynch of Greymist? That is almost comical, it honestly makes me shake my head at you. I was constantly saying nothing at the beginning? Dear me, how dare I not know exactly what to post at my first ever mafia game online. And then your talking about my Grave Accent to help people vote. Giygas the list of good things you've done for us this game includes, giving your power to a single player and killing a blue and then giving your other power to someone who has claimed to be roleblocked both times. Please just read and try and think man. Just think before you post. Spend a minute maybe re-read your post and then if you still think its good, post it. | ||
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On December 20 2011 17:09 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: I think he has been taking posting/active = town, lurking/inactive = scum a bit too far without considering the motivations for posts enough. I would not oppose his lynch, but I would also not actively push for it. Sheth, you mentioned you are keeping notes on people, so hopefully this request won't take you too long...you seem to enjoy calling people town, but for all the fuss you make over people not having good cases, I have yet to see you post a good case on why somebody is scum. I'd very much appreciate it if you would do so sooner rather than later. It won't take me too long. I'm just finishing re-reading the thread now. However I'm heading out in like 2 minutes to go to the doctors. I can't break this cough and its getting worse. I'll post my best scum read when I get back. If your curious who my top 5 scum picks are while waiting, feel free to check my last few posts. | ||
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I don't know how to do links to individual posts perhaps someone could explain that as a side point! Nycz is a first time player of Mafia, he doesn't want to be a sheep and wants to have his own oppinion. He then wanted to vote against either myself or MrZentor day1. He then changed his mind, and was curious why Nisani wasn't mod killed (Nisani was then made into VE our epic Godfather killer). Just to stop there, on day 1 its a bit weird to wonder why someone wasn't mod killed. I did it recently to so, mostly because our top mafia picks are those who would be modkilled I believe! So I really don't see any reason behind him saying it. Just seems scummy. He did not like bumatlarge saying "who are you?" which is a point for him being town I believe. He bandwagoned spaackle a small point against him. He calls himself a lurker. Then on day 1 he is for lynching Cascades and safe with not lynching Comprissent. Just an interesting point based on what he flips if we lynch him. (I'd say if hes town, we lynch Cascades and if not Comprissent, just an idea!) He then says something a long the lines that he is doing the bare minimum possible. I really don't like that line. VE had this read on him. On December 16 2011 08:37 nyczbrandon wrote: The reason i didn't vote for Sheth or Zentor because seemed like majority of people were bandwagoning Spaackle so I did as well. It was like last minute so I wasn't sure what to do. Also I responded to Zentor when he asked me why I said he was changing his votes a lot. I thought I saw him doing this and apoligized to him for wrongfully doubting him. The reason I asked for modkill, because I think I remember Sheth posting that Nisani was the only person to not have voted for lynch. In the end I think hes just a new player who ended up getting mafia with some other new players and ProfBA. I do think he is very likely scum and would be happy to vote him off first and use his flip on choosing between the others we'd like to vote off. It gives us another piece to the puzzle and I think were in good shape. | ||
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On December 21 2011 07:02 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: Announcement: we don't lynch nyczbrandon today!!! You may chose between Cascades and Comprissent I don't know why you guys do that! There is nothing favouring nyczbrandon over the other two players. :-( I don't get this. I think we should lynch him honestly. I'm keeping my vote on him, I'll read through Comprissent's filter in a second though I geuss and decide for sure if I want to switch or not. Would you care to say why you don't want him lynched? | ||
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On December 21 2011 08:29 GreYMisT wrote: I prefer Cascades over comprissent atm, unless radfield or deus can tell me why they favor comp. They havn't really told me why they don't want NYCZ either. Who would you have killed if Deus / TNTP hadn't said anything? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=108528 Heres the filter for NYCZBrandon, my vote as well for those curious. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=138684 And here is the filter for Cascades. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=53202 | ||
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On December 21 2011 12:22 Radfield wrote: I shouldn't need to say this, but vigilantes should be firing tonight. We have about 8 players who could all die, and I would not be particularly saddened. Cwave Sheth nyczbrandon Jitsu Marserreplacement cascades refallen pew pew I support this message too. | ||
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Refallen Cwave Cascades Jaj22 and see who we want to lynch tomorrow. As weird as it is that 2 of the 3 people we were considering last night turning up town, I still don't think it means the others have a less chance to be mafia. I think this just astronomically ups the chances that one of these 4 or even two are or even three of them are the mafia left. Up for filtering 2 of them tonight Grey ? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=232648 <- His Filter He consistently is using pretty good logic and not letting the veterans over power him. He isn't really posting too much information and I'd like to see his top 3 reads, but he brings up a good point that Deus-Ex has a Scumranklist. On December 21 2011 06:04 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: Okay, time for a short summary: 1. Cascades is my scumread number 1 followed by 2. MarserBlood now jaj22 3. nyczbrandon _____ I think I saw some reasonable town behaviour from every other player in this game. Especially: Myself 10. zeks was the first player who pointed out that Curu is scummy because he lied/was lazy. That would be an extremely strange move towards his veteran scumbuddy, if he were in fact scum. 14. GiygaS see Actros filter and his blue role etc. if noone else can perform this he's town 19. Radfield obviously 15. evantrees unlikely that there are two of this kind in the scumteam 3. GreYMisT medic without counterclaim 11. MrZentor dayextenstion role... pretty protown. If noone else can perform this he's likely town 6. TotallyNotTwoPeople attacked curu very early. townfeeling, no real evidence 18. Jitsu town-feeling no real evidence 12. risk.nuke town-feeling no real evidence 22. Liquid`Sheth town-feeling no real evidence Null: 8. Refallen 5. Comprissent 9. Cwave these guys just look a little bit better than the three suspects above. _______ tonights plan: I get elected as PO, I watch Radfield for sure to save him Greymist gets elected as Prankster. he's almost confirmed. Thats the list so thanks for posting it Deus. Could you please give a little more reasoning on those bottom 6(now bottom 4) please though? I'd like to hear more from you. Cwave actually put up his list before Deus as well, and it after checking it seems Deus pretty much just had the same list and had a few words different. I hope Deus' came from his own source because then it means we have a much better chance that those were worried about are people we really should be worried about. Also while writing this Deus posted again. I completely agree that Cascades is a great choice for lynch, but I'd like to hear your case on him. | ||
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On December 21 2011 14:10 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Hey, uh, why do you support a message suggesting that you get shot? TBH the list could easily be Cwave Sheth Nyczbrandon Jitsu Marserreplacement cascades refallen totallynottwopeople He even says 8 people in his post, I guess he just forgot to put you up there. Do you support this initiative? | ||
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Who do YOU suggest we watch then? There is a place and time to WIFOM but it is not now so don't get all fancy with your supposed pro-town plan. Stop thinking you'll confuse the scum with your stupid plan because it won't. It is clear who will get hit tonight given we don't watch Radfield. We lost a DT and several blues already - who do you think scum is going to hunt now? Clearly the logical posters. Did the WIFOM yesterday save both Arc and Rad? Clearly not. | ||
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Just pointing this out there because I was hurt that they didn't like my idea and I was pretty sure I was right. And now your doing my idea (WIFOM for the watcher) so thanks a lot! Good play. | ||
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@Jitsu thanks for reading it. | ||
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On December 22 2011 09:43 GiygaS wrote: I'm just gonna pull up my old case on Sheth, as well as some others' I'm convinced Sheth is scum tbh. Page 105 (my case) So pretty much your main point so far is that I made a long shot case against you and that I was resistent to voting off ProfBA correct? I don't think me pushing zeks / zentor / prplhz and then backing off of them helps your case much. I've already said countless times why I did the ProfBA defence. I thought Arcto took it too far and if you look at Deus' posts at the same time you'll see what I'm talking about. | ||
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! Thanks for the great learning experience. | ||
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On December 30 2011 03:15 xsksc wrote: play again sometime! just don't shoot me n1 KK, next time I'll triple stack arctocod | ||
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