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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
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Refallen
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
We also have only 24 hours left to decide our lynch. I would prefer to lynch into the group of Cwave, Cascades, and Jitsu. Other opinions on the matter? | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On December 23 2011 12:01 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Deus and Cascades, I would still like to hear your claims. We also have only 24 hours left to decide our lynch. I would prefer to lynch into the group of Cwave, Cascades, and Jitsu. Other opinions on the matter? I asked you before; I'll ask again. Why are you so gung ho about getting me killed? You have yet to explain your case. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
On December 23 2011 12:15 Jitsu wrote: I asked you before; I'll ask again. Why are you so gung ho about getting me killed? You have yet to explain your case. ...wtf are you talking about? On December 22 2011 13:55 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: People you lay suspicion on: evantrees, Comprissent, nycz, refallen Unsure of yourself, or just distancing from fellow scum? Either way about the lightest of an accusation possible. Your post explaining the situation with prof.ba was around the time Sheth voted for him...perhaps the time that it was agreed in the scum qt to go full speed ahead with the bus? Your post about it before that one: Maybe it is just me, but the congratulating VE feels forced here. Late game scum reads: Next post you list your scum reads as follows: 1st place: Comprissent is Top on my list. 2nd place: My next suspect is nyczbrandon. 3rd place: This spot is the void that was Greymist. As of now, it has been replaced with Deus-Ex-Mafia. No mention of Sheth. Also despite being "pretty convinced" about Sheth prior to that, you had made no accusations against him. That being said, you are not my strongest scum read currently. The closest you have come to accusing known scum is your soft accusations on Sheth. Now add to that the fact that we presumably know all 5 scum roles and that none of them are vanilla, and you have claimed to be yet another vanilla town, which past flips indicate are a rare breed. You are still not my strongest scum read, but the remaining suspicious people are not very numerous. I would be quite surprised to find any scum outside of this group: 1. jaj22 4. DEUS-ex-MAFIA 8. Refallen 9. Cwave 12. risk.nuke 18. Jitsu 24. cascades And as I am sure you're aware, a few of those people look better than the rest. We also may have a way to verify refallen's vet claim if zeks has another shot. | ||
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Refallen
452 Posts
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On December 23 2011 12:26 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: ...wtf are you talking about? The closest you have come to accusing known scum is your soft accusations on Sheth. Now add to that the fact that we presumably know all 5 scum roles and that none of them are vanilla, and you have claimed to be yet another vanilla town, which past flips indicate are a rare breed. You are still not my strongest scum read, but the remaining suspicious people are not very numerous. I would be quite surprised to find any scum outside of this group: 1. jaj22 4. DEUS-ex-MAFIA 8. Refallen 9. Cwave 12. risk.nuke 18. Jitsu 24. cascades And as I am sure you're aware, a few of those people look better than the rest. We also may have a way to verify refallen's vet claim if zeks has another shot. So, you're saying your scum-read on me was the fact that I tunneled a Townie who barely contributed, and flipped Green, than that I soft-accused Sheth. And because you assume i'm lying about being Vanilla Town is a pretty bad reason to think i'm scum. Regardless - 24 hours left. Time to find a decent mafia-possibility. Who are you're top two scum reads out of that list, seeing as how there are only two left. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
Not a lot of time spent trying to get elected (more than Curu though) Immediate hostility towards all the vets (sensless hostility) Does nothing to dissuade wagons forming on now known towies (me, spaakles) yet in the case of spaakles berated town for its incompetence Almost never even mentions Sheth at all. These to me all add up to scum. I would like to hear what others think too, as we do actually have to talk about a lynch today guys. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
*sigh* Rewriting it now. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
Skimming through the thread I would give a town read to prplhz, Radfield and Greymist. Check, check, and check.On December 14 2011 12:12 Refallen wrote: I am sure scum were aware that this game was not extended majority. So unless he was feigning ignorance to try to get away with his bandwagoning (which I doubt), a point for him being town.Oh okay, I didn't know that. And sorry, I'll stop talking about the other game. I realise I'm not exactly appearing the most pro-town now and I would like to remedy that. However, I find it hard to come up with original content, especially when I missed most of day 1 and thus could not get involved in the 20+ pages of discussion that happened then. It seems like whenever I think of something it has already been addressed in the thread. On December 14 2011 15:29 Refallen wrote: Calls out the exact scum plan...not something I'd think scum would do.We can reasonably treat Artocod as town at this point. And since we have confirmation that Palmar didn't withdraw, what do we make of the fact that profbadass immediately stepped up for the pardoner post? Don't you think that this is the kind of exact ideal situation that mafia would have tried to brew, getting a mafia pardoner, when Artocod was forced to withdraw? On December 15 2011 12:46 Refallen wrote: Unless Greymist or Radfield are somehow scum, even if Refallen is scum 4 scum had to be on Radfield. Giving away where his whole team was hiding when he could easily increase suspicion on the others? I highly doubt that.The idea that the list of those who had voted for ProfBA to be pardoner has to have some mafia in it is something I've seen more than one person espousing in the thread so I just want to say that I completely disagree with this line of thinking right now. Firstly, as ProfBA has pointed out, he was the natural choice of pardoner after palmar/syllo votes were nulled. And he was even there at that time to immediately step up and say "I am the natural choice," something that I am sure many people agreed with. There is simply no reason for mafia to need to vote ProfBA to get him to office (note that I'm not actually saying that ProfBA is scum/town or anything, but just illustrating the fact that the idea that scum votes must be on ProfBA is false, since even if he was scum, the mafia didn't need to vote for him because of the lack of another viable candidate as well as ProfBA actively going for the pardoner role.) So no, if anything I think the Radfield list is more likely to contain scum. What do you guys think? Was clearly not fond of Sheth: Also, now that prplhz is dead (and was clearly town in day 1 imo), what can we say about people who suspected him in day 1, which iirc included Sheth? On December 16 2011 09:52 Refallen wrote: Jitsu, for the timing issue, look at where I live... I honestly just woke up. And my post timings are always around this timing because it's early morning over here. Also, I am getting suspicious of Sheth. + Show Spoiler + First off, I know this is nothing conclusive, but I'm really suprised Arcto / Rad ./ ProfBA the veterans didn't come up with this. So, last night we had a few interesting things occur. One, was the "Town Vig shot" on Eiii. And then we had the 2 deaths announced at the end, where xsksc and prplhz were killed. Also, Arcto claims that there was a mafia shot on him and that he lived through it. Arctocod says "we were shot last night, amazing. So now we "Know" where the 3 KP of the mafia were used. As long as we assume Arctocod is town, which I do. It was used on xsksc + prplhz + arcto. Makes sense right?! Wrong. Why would mafia waste a KP that come on, lets be honest shouldn't be used singly on Arcto. There are other options here that I've thought of. So let me discuss them. If instead of this, one of xsksc / prplhz was killed by another vigilante and Arcto was double stacked and still saved. Which I find unlikely, but not impossible. Or a newbie medic, despite us yelling to save Arcto chose to save someone else and magically got it correct and Arcto is just lieing. Also pretty much impossible. With Arcto now claiming to be shot and no one else coming out with "I was shot at night" or no one else dead, we can assume he really was shot. This has been pretty simple logic so far and not at all what I'm trying to get at. The major points I'm saying so far is that Mafia using 1 KP on Arctocod was a stupid move. Theres no way around it. One option of this stupid move was just that were dealing with "Newbie" mafia. I suppose some other options include that the ability to make Arctocod step down, took 1 KP is possible. However I think thats unlikely. After thinking this all through last night I was thinking to myself what if the kill that Giygas / Arcto used was actually a mafia KP. I think theres a chance that Giygas is a "Mafia Vig" who is doing this simply for town cred. This leads to a whole new area of thought where you have to wonder how legitimate Arcto is and if Mafia had this whole situation planned out for a while. I don't really want to get in to that here. I want to go more into why I think this was a Mafia Vig Shot. As we all know, last night Arctocod recieved a package, a letter asking who to hit with a "Letter bomb" I'm just calling it that because someone already did. It ended up killing Eiii a blue townie. This letter bomb wasn't used as a group town ability simply as a "Giygas / Arctocod" ability. And it was sent to Arctocod while they were looking at Eiii quite harshly I believe. This part I'm not completely sure of, but I think its possible Giygas could geuss that Arctocod wasn't pressuing a mafia at the time so he would get a good townie to kill. This would explain the one thing that was bugging me while I slept. Why did Arctocod get a KP used on him? I think its possible Giygas's power did this. I can definetly see a power in this game like "Mafia Terrorist" Once per game you may exchance a Mafia KP for sending a private PM to one player and this player will appear to have been shot at night and saved and then sending a second private PM that will detonate killing chosen player". This is basically the power that Giygas used, minus the few things that make it mafia. This power would simply makes a Mafia player look like a legit town vigilante. I think its definetly a possiblility, almost likely considering I think its either this or Mafia has no veterans and just chose to waste one hit on Arcto. This could have been watched and obviously was going to be protected so I can't even see newbies making this mistake. Or something else I haven't thought of yet. Especially this post here. He makes a really convoluted case on Giygas here, a pretty much confirmed townie, and was pushing him several posts before that too. This was really weird to me, because Sheth seems to be from his previous postings a pretty logical player, so I find it suspicious he's trying to concoct a case on Giygas. On December 18 2011 15:38 Refallen wrote: Haha VE no idea where that came from, but well done! evan claim when the night is over if you're a powerrole, no sense to do it during the night. I want to take a closer look at Sheth, and maybe Radfield too. On December 20 2011 12:26 Refallen wrote: Totally, I'm suspicious of sheth and Cwave, evantrees as well. I'll post in more detail later. On December 20 2011 13:37 Refallen wrote: Ok, so I'm having a bad feeling about sheth because of this. He has accused several people over the course of this thread of being mafia, let's list them out now. Day 1 - zeks - MrZentor (claimed blue?) - prplhz (VT) And then he bandwagoned spaackle, which is fine, except that he flipped blue too. Day 2 - really convoluted case on Giygas (who by the way I think most of us can say is definitely town) - really resistant on voting for ProfBadass until it seems like his lynching is inevitable (then jumped on the bandwagon and said how Greymist & Jitsu actually posted logic as an excuse? to vote ProfBadass) All these things when taken in isolation probably dosen't mean much, but I have a bad feeling when it all comes from the same person. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
Here's his filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=237734&user=237734 Well, look at him and his worthless filler posts: On December 16 2011 18:48 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: palmar, curu is not lynchable today. He could pardon himself. On December 14 2011 04:35 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: wow my meeting is so boring!!! Here's a trap with a smiley face to indicate unserious post, and he bites to increase his postcount because I disparage him in a following sentence in the same post, "The obvious candidate would be a vet like deus, but meh." Well, look at him trying to softdefend ProfBad. Not a strong reason sorely by itself, but worth considering. On December 16 2011 19:00 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: + I think we should give him another chance. Not only because he could destroy our whole day if he just pardons whoever we vote for - but also because I think he's a good player and when he's here, he's making sense. On December 16 2011 19:18 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: i don't need a longer one... I have different reasons why I refuse to lynch curu today. From what I've learned in xlvii I think it's bad to lynch players at the start who have the potential to be good. If you remember, I pushed for a lynch between you and BC pretty hard and in the end we had that lynch between you. However you were both town. If we had given both of you more time, and would just have lynched obvious scum like zeks prplhz greymist or erandorr back then, we would have won this easily. I think we have the same proplem here. I don't think that there is absolutely no veteranplayer in the scumteam. And among the veteranplayers curu is right now definetely the scummiest. But if we start right now with lynchung each other rather than looking for the more obvious candidates we will all be dead day3 and the game will end in chaos. Well, look at him trying to claim credit. Jumping on the ProfBad bandwagon, and then the Greymist one. The Greymist especially came out of nowhere. On December 19 2011 07:21 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: says the scumcascades :-D I am watching you, too and I've seen enough. You're scum aswell as this badboy: I had you on my list first :--D G_G His only mention of Greymist -> Greymist is 95% scum! Last time I checked, asking a player their reads on other players does not imply you think they are scum. Look at him trying to wriggle away from responsbility for his thoughts. Greymist was 95% scum! Oh wait Greymist is actually 95% townie oops. Nycz turns out to be town instead of scum! Oops why did you guys vote for nycz he's only on my scumlist, but third place. Obviously if you voted for someone else on my scumlist things would be different. There's a reason why you put nycz as a scumread instead on under the null list. Man up. The town doesn't have to listen to you 100%. Look at the Greymist lynch for example. Unless you are scum and know better. Look at him martyring (rings a bell?): On December 21 2011 23:51 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: Read the spoiler if you nuked me and not cascades: + Show Spoiler + GOOD GOD, YOU SCREWED UP SO HARD, MY HEAD EXPLODES! YOU ARE THE WORST MAFIAPLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THAT GAME Even if the vig (Zeks) doesn’t believe I was mafia and didn't nuke me, there was no reason then to believe vig would target Deus instead, unless he was subconsciously afraid and guilty. (Deus got the trust of town and got the election the way he wanted). And finally, the jewel in the case: What is a major scumtell. When your actions don't matchup with your words On December 23 2011 02:02 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: i dont understand your last paragraph... who do you want to lynch and who do you want to elect? and dont answer with a question. i want rad and zeks #1,2 and you lynched, not only you just posted again without content!!! Where is your content? The only "content" I can remotely see is your reads list. A random number generator can post the reads list you did since they were not backed with actual content. On December 23 2011 03:01 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: phew cascades... attacking my credibility for no reason except defending yourself isnt exactly protown. Firstly, I was repeatedly on Deus for posting his cases and his reads instead of asking questions and saying nothing himself. Isn't the first time I was ragging on Deus, isn’t something that came out of the blue. Where has Deus attacked my credibility for a reason, any reason at all? (except for perhaps the sake of needing to attack someone?) I invite you to read through this filter again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=237734 Nope. When you say one thing and act another, that's scum. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
Role-claim or hang. | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
you never think - that's stupid. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On December 23 2011 13:50 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Why Refallen is likely town: Check, check, and check. No logic though. Might just be picking up some towncred by naming some probable night 1/2 targets. Greymist is playing so blue that he gets jumped on during day 3. Also Radfield's only "confirmed" by meta and WIFOM'd roleblocks, right? I'm kinda trusting the vets on that. On December 23 2011 13:50 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: I am sure scum were aware that this game was not extended majority. So unless he was feigning ignorance to try to get away with his bandwagoning (which I doubt), a point for him being town. As someone mentioned earlier (or was that another game?), most scum teams talk very little apart from nightkills. Otherwise, if feigning ignorance gives you towncred, scum may have told him to do just that. On December 23 2011 13:50 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Calls out the exact scum plan...not something I'd think scum would do. I'm sure everyone in the thread was thinking exactly the same thing, but it'd take balls for scum to post it, and I'd mark Refallen as on the timid side. On December 23 2011 13:50 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Unless Greymist or Radfield are somehow scum, even if Refallen is scum 4 scum had to be on Radfield. Giving away where his whole team was hiding when he could easily increase suspicion on the others? I highly doubt that. Not sure about "giving away", given that no-one's likely to take much notice, but I agree that this doesn't look like a scum post. On December 23 2011 13:50 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Was clearly not fond of Sheth: Well, he backed away from pressing him twice, although you could put that down to his natural lack of aggression. His last post on Sheth was actually a defence (spoilered due to length): + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2011 11:25 Refallen wrote: Even though some of his posts has been accusing Palmar/Radfield of being scum and defending them, I think if you read the entirety of his filter, there seems to be a common theme in the sense that this is a guy who likes to form his own opinion instead of sheeping the other vets, and is wary of trusting the vets too much. Quotes like dosen't seem like he's showing any fear, which I think is protown. Kind of like Sheth, he's been pretty active about asking people to post cases and will follow his own lynch targets instead of sheeping people. That's the feeling I got from him. (Also since we're both from Singapore it's highly likely that he's asleep and won't be able to defend himself and for the past 8 hours, since it's early morning here.) This is during his rather weird defence of Cascades. Overall though, I think Sheth flipping red gives him a lot of towncred, so I'm looking for better lynches. | ||
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
To repeat, im a vanilla townie and today i election voted on Radfield and lynch voted on cascades. | ||
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