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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On December 23 2011 22:21 Cwave wrote: In a hour i'm gonna be heading to the airport to board my flight and i won't be back online till after the day ends. To repeat, im a vanilla townie and today i election voted on Radfield and lynch voted on cascades. A blind vote in secret ballot? Really? Are you feeling suicidal? To clarify, Cwave has never given any reasoning whatsoever against Cascades. I initially had a town-leaning read on Cwave, but his recent posts and the Sheth flip are giving me serious doubts. Sheth dodged his three-out-of-eight scum potential longlist: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12842093 Also he's clearly not reading the same Sheth filter that I ploughed through yesterday: On December 22 2011 21:33 Cwave wrote: He posted calm and constructive, tried to contribute and had good posts with arguments about people in the spotlight. I didn't see scum in him. | ||
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
Cwave. Town. Green. Bad to lynch......  | ||
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
On December 24 2011 01:12 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: I already noticed the general tendency to be hostile to veteran players... Cwave was the one who started this... Cascades has one or two posts with similar content. Since I think that Curu is/was probably the only vet in the scumteam this behaviour makes sense for scum. I can't see why a townie would want to attack experienced players. It's not exactly contributing to our goals. This is why i find your play bad Deus. No contribution and just hogging lines. For you as a vet your effort to help our town has been mediocre and lined with post containing the mandatory lines and then an question at someone random. Nowhere are you confirmed, usefull or playing for the town. Only reason you are of some use is cause you get stuff in elections. Does everyone realise that people that have powers or win elections can be scum? Or is lynch all VT's who roleclaim till they are all dead the way its gonna go down. | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On December 24 2011 01:36 Jitsu wrote: People keep bringing my name up, yet no one has anything definitive to say. Hopefully one of you guys will stop wasting time. You were tunnelling Comprissent and now that he flipped green, there's not a whole lot else positive in your filter. However I think your original case against Sheth looks pretty good now: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12817121 So unless there's a massive scumslip in the next few hours I think we should hit Cascades or Cwave today. Ideally Zeks has a vig shot left and can clear up the other one tonight. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
Known: 2. nyczbrandon 3. GreYMisT 5. Comprissent 7. Spaackle 11. MrZentor 13. prplhz 14. GiygaS 15. evantrees 16. Arctocod 17. bumatlarge 20. Eiii 21. xsksc 22. Liquid`Sheth 23. VisceraEyes 25. ProfessorBadass Claimed: 1. jaj22 4. DEUS-ex-MAFIA 6. TotallyNotTwoPeople 8. Refallen 9. Cwave 12. risk.nuke 18. Jitsu 24. cascades Dear Leader: 10. zeks 19. Radfield @Cwave Does everyone realise that people that have powers or win elections can be scum? Or is lynch all VT's who roleclaim till they are all dead the way its gonna go down. Deus claimed VT. You want Deus lynched but think lynching claimed VT's is dumb? Well, either way, if you disagree with the lynching claimed VT's, which known or claimed power roles would you like to see dead? | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On December 24 2011 02:57 jaj22 wrote: You were tunnelling Comprissent and now that he flipped green, there's not a whole lot else positive in your filter. However I think your original case against Sheth looks pretty good now: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12817121 So unless there's a massive scumslip in the next few hours I think we should hit Cascades or Cwave today. Ideally Zeks has a vig shot left and can clear up the other one tonight. We miss-lynched on Day One as well, so you decide to come after me because of a miss-lynch on day 3? AND there are no other reasons? That's a bullshit case, and you know it. I was tunneling him all game - in my eyes, for good reason. I'd assume that since other people voted for him, they should be lynched as well according to your logic, am I right? Vote Electing Radfield. Still deciding who i'm going to vote lynch. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
On December 24 2011 03:02 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Updated list of claims Known: 2. nyczbrandon 3. GreYMisT 5. Comprissent 7. Spaackle 11. MrZentor 13. prplhz 14. GiygaS 15. evantrees 16. Arctocod 17. bumatlarge 20. Eiii 21. xsksc 22. Liquid`Sheth 23. VisceraEyes 25. ProfessorBadass Claimed: 1. jaj22 4. DEUS-ex-MAFIA 6. TotallyNotTwoPeople 8. Refallen 9. Cwave 12. risk.nuke 18. Jitsu 24. cascades Dear Leader: 10. zeks 19. Radfield @Cwave Deus claimed VT. You want Deus lynched but think lynching claimed VT's is dumb? Well, either way, if you disagree with the lynching claimed VT's, which known or claimed power roles would you like to see dead? People can lie about their roles.... And some of the confirmed are not 100% confirmed town. Cascades i would lynch. Deus is would investigate if possible before lynching. Last post possible today. Back after deadline to see if people come to their senses and didnt hang cwave, the VT.... | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On December 24 2011 03:05 Jitsu wrote: We miss-lynched on Day One as well, so you decide to come after me because of a miss-lynch on day 3? AND there are no other reasons? That's a bullshit case, and you know it. I was tunneling him all game - in my eyes, for good reason. I'd assume that since other people voted for him, they should be lynched as well according to your logic, am I right? No, that's not what I meant. Comprissent was scummy as hell, but green, so your tunnelling makes sense regardless of whether you're town or scum. It makes you a null read, bar the anti-Sheth post. There are so many confirmed or near-confirmed townies that you're probably around #4 in most people's lynch-target lists. If you don't like that, I'd suggest posting some fresh analysis. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On December 24 2011 03:08 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Hey Jitsu - What's your read on Deus? Still the same. Not sure on him. I think any decent veteran player (or newbie, even for that matter) would have picked up on a role post by a mod (note the bright blue letters) about how the mechanics of their role works. IE: How they had to use the Watcher on Night Three. I think? he used his watcher ability on Radfield. I think the fact that two people are posting is really screwing me up. + Show Spoiler + On December 23 2011 02:02 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: i dont understand your last paragraph... who do you want to lynch and who do you want to elect? and dont answer with a question. i want rad and zeks #1,2 and you lynched, not only you just posted again without content!!! On December 24 2011 01:16 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: I mean I'd be a great success for scum to get radfield or myself lynched at this point of time. right now I still believe that our slow methodical strategy to narrow down the potential scumteammembers by confirming one townie after the other and lynching the questionable reads is the optimal strategy. That's the reason why I am not too sad that nycbla and comprissent are dead. Two completely different ways to post. It's like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I'd like more contribution, since he is trying to be so vocal, in finding reasons to Lynch people. Saying "Cascades is mafia" and not having a reason doesn't make me want to vote Cascades. It's a veteran player trying to take advantage of bandwagon voting. On December 23 2011 17:35 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: I am vt and cascades is goon. We should have lynched him yesterday. I am sorry that I let you guys lynch comprissent. Not very convincing. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
On December 24 2011 01:21 Radfield wrote: Looking over Cascades filter is not particularly reassuring. His play is 80% defence, 19% speculation and 1% scumhunting. Up until his case on Deus-ex he has done almost no scumhunting the entire game. I will say that there are still things that make him seem town, mainly the way in that he goes to lengths defending himself when he doesn't have to, and his defense against Greymist's accusations. I wouldn't be super surprised if he flipped scum, but I still think that Cwave is a better candidate. Both Refallen and TnTP have claimed blue roles, which takes us to a whopping 10 blue roles. However at least 4 or 5 of those roles are only worth half a blue(Politician, Day-Extender, Attorney, PSA, Lobbyist). For now I would take their claims at face-value. However I disagree that our current secret ballot voting has to be a scum power. It could very easily just be a game mechanic, and would be very strange for mafia to use it on this day instead of other days. In fact, I would expect the mafia to have a voting role like TnTP instead. If you are still suspicious of me, I'd be happy to answer any and all questions you might have. Also, in case you didn't notice the first time I stated it, my power only lets me place an extra vote in the election, not in the lynch voting. And for what it's worth, if I was scum with anonymous voting powers, why wouldn't I have been creating confusion with it? Perhaps a nice anonymous vote on you day 1, or throw one on Giygas when he was elected. I'm sure it would have caused lots of useless speculations and suspicion (which is exactly why I have never used it). @Deus What's your opinion of Jitsu currently? | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On December 24 2011 03:19 jaj22 wrote: No, that's not what I meant. Comprissent was scummy as hell, but green, so your tunnelling makes sense regardless of whether you're town or scum. It makes you a null read, bar the anti-Sheth post. There are so many confirmed or near-confirmed townies that you're probably around #4 in most people's lynch-target lists. If you don't like that, I'd suggest posting some fresh analysis. Ohhh, alright. So let's recap; I tunnel a guy that is acting scummy, who happens to flip green. Than I post an Anti-*Player* post about a guy that eventually flips Red. Fuck it! Lynch him anyway! | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
On December 24 2011 03:19 jaj22 wrote: No, that's not what I meant. Comprissent was scummy as hell, but green, so your tunnelling makes sense regardless of whether you're town or scum. It makes you a null read, bar the anti-Sheth post. There are so many confirmed or near-confirmed townies that you're probably around #4 in most people's lynch-target lists. If you don't like that, I'd suggest posting some fresh analysis. You sub in fairly late to a game and have read/understood the thread better than plenty of people that have been in this game since the start. I like this guy. | ||
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
On December 22 2011 13:58 Jitsu wrote: Meh. I guess I could see it. Although, when I made that list, it was after GreY role-claimed I believe, so since he came out blue, I didn't think Sheth was blindly defending his mafia scum anymore. Oh well, I guess it gives me 48 hours to find someone better to lynch, then. Night guys. You decided not to bother with that I guess? | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
Yeah I see the kind of scumhunting that is encouraged. Just point fingers at people. Has these accusations stuck? Nope. What has stuck? A good case on Greymist. So instead we are all grasping at straws and at each other's throat for anything and everything perceived to be scummy. You agreed with Sheth? SCUM. You disagreed with Sheth? SCUM BUS. Wtf reasoning is going on here, I don't understand. This is what happens when things are isolated and taken out of context. For example, my case on Deus could have been split into many many different posts, in "true townie fashion". Do they mean anything by themselves? Hardly indicative. Has Cwave posted anything on me? Nope he's just the same as Deus. Let's follow the easy lynch to get town off my back. And why? Because of lazy setup reasoning. Well 20% of players are mafia, so 1/5 vets = mafia! We already caught the allocated number of scum vets which is Curu. Does this setup make sense in such a vet oriented game? So basically that poor mafia vet screws up/ goes inactive, and the rest of mafia can just GG? They stand almost no chance of getting someone in an elected position (unless they happen to have way to demonstrate they are town?) Oh wait, we already saw all of the mafia powers with today's secret ballot that no one is claiming, none of them are viable for faking a confirmed townie. Those that are "semi-viable" have town counterparts that they can just easily counterclaim. Anyhow, all I ask is that you guys look over my case if I get lynched. Pls look at Deus's filter and draw your own conclusions. I know it is 6 pages, and I admit to being lazy and not examining Sheth's huge filter in detail, but Deus is mostly one liners. Good night. | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
On December 24 2011 03:50 supersoft wrote: guys dont blame me for not reasoning every step i make, if you dont ask me to. was on the run. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
Having said that any veteran/hydra suspicions that I may or may not have will be left for later on in the game. If Dropbear was chosen godfather my hypothesis is that the rest of the scum team is lower on the veteran hierarchy than Dropbear. Of course that kind of logic may not be agreeable by everyone, but nevertheless we will leave (suspicious) vets for later. My top 3 today is Cwave / Refallen / jaj with my vote on Cwave. 1. Ran for 2 positions half heartedly (like Sheth) 2. Inserts doubts immediately on our veterans (weak arguments - does not commit to) On December 12 2011 21:47 Cwave wrote: There isn't much info atm to base a lynch on so it makes sense to focus on elections for now right? Or did i miss a slip of anyone? Further more, i do agree on the "good" players being fine candidates for mayor. I am however afraid that once they claim a mayor position, other veterans will start pingponging with him/them again and newer players get left out and important information gets lost in the roleplaying madness. Concerning Artocod running for mayor, i find the selection of the image for his election a daring one. I hope it's not a hidden message. On December 13 2011 00:20 Cwave wrote: I don't see how it's a good plan to put you two(three) in those positions based on your statements and catchy phrases like "A vote for me is a vote for town victory". I rather put on of you in office and have the other "pro" fight for his spot round 2. That would give me more info then selecting our apparent two "pro players" to get the first two elected spots we have been given. It's just as equal to any other combo of mayor/pardonner of us all in this game. I never liked the use of statistics(and not factual numbers, say at the near end of a game) to prove ones innocence/town being. I do very much agree on that! 3. Plays the apologetic townie a bit (like Sheth) 4. Provides no real analysis, just a bunch of lists and pointing out obvious stuff and there. Suggested Liquid`Sheth was prob town. My read on cascades is null to town | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On December 24 2011 03:29 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: You decided not to bother with that I guess? Lol. You asked for it, so here it is. Wasn't done, but i'll post what I have. | ||
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