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On December 22 2011 23:54 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 23:33 zeks wrote:On December 22 2011 23:14 risk.nuke wrote:
Radfield I don't want you to be Post General and I absolutely don't wan't you to be cordinating with Intelligence officer because you and TnTp are the two people I think have all to much taken-for-granted towncred without support for it. Explain why you are a better choice and why you would choose DEUS-ex-MAFIA over the intelligence officer or GreyMist Also what do you have to say about GreyMist's medic claim? You were at his throat the whole game Why are you asking for my role when I am clearly WIFOMing? I'm asking about your role because I am not sure about you. Blues doesn't win the game. So answer my question. I'm choosing Deus over IO because blues doesn't win the game for us and because nobody knows what IO is and most often it's just as good the IO decideds what to do for himself to assure scum won't know. I want to discuss privatly with Dues without scum ears and I think that will be very beneficial. Alot more then having radfield controlling the IO or choosing two people who doesn't realise how damn good this role is and won't be able to use it to full extent. Also me and Dues are green so we would be spreading out the people mafia will want to hit.
You are still not sure about me when I shot Sheth? Seriously. If I were scum that would be the stupidest fucking move in the world. I would've just decreased kp from 2 to 1. In fact the scum are in such a terrible situation they might as well concede this game right now.
Blue's don't win the game? Buddy - the blues are WINNING this game for town right now. Both Sheth and bumatlarge have not been obvious scum targets and if you were given vig you would've shot our medic dead. We are in a good position because of good choices made by myself and VE.
I already answered your question that I am clearly WIFOMing my role. The fact that your fishing for my role and inserting doubt into Radfield who is 99% townie proven by his posting and the circumstances is making you more and more scummy
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On December 23 2011 00:02 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 23:54 risk.nuke wrote:On December 22 2011 23:33 zeks wrote:On December 22 2011 23:14 risk.nuke wrote:
Radfield I don't want you to be Post General and I absolutely don't wan't you to be cordinating with Intelligence officer because you and TnTp are the two people I think have all to much taken-for-granted towncred without support for it. Explain why you are a better choice and why you would choose DEUS-ex-MAFIA over the intelligence officer or GreyMist Also what do you have to say about GreyMist's medic claim? You were at his throat the whole game Why are you asking for my role when I am clearly WIFOMing? I'm asking about your role because I am not sure about you. Blues doesn't win the game. So answer my question. I'm choosing Deus over IO because blues doesn't win the game for us and because nobody knows what IO is and most often it's just as good the IO decideds what to do for himself to assure scum won't know. I want to discuss privatly with Dues without scum ears and I think that will be very beneficial. Alot more then having radfield controlling the IO or choosing two people who doesn't realise how damn good this role is and won't be able to use it to full extent. Also me and Dues are green so we would be spreading out the people mafia will want to hit. You are still not sure about me when I shot Sheth? Seriously. If I were scum that would be the stupidest fucking move in the world. I would've just decreased kp from 2 to 1. In fact the scum are in such a terrible situation they might as well concede this game right now. Blue's don't win the game? Buddy - the blues are WINNING this game for town right now. Both Sheth and bumatlarge have not been obvious scum targets and if you were given vig you would've shot our medic dead. We are in a good position because of good choices made by myself and VE. I already answered your question that I am clearly WIFOMing my role. The fact that your fishing for my role and inserting doubt into Radfield who is 99% townie proven by his posting and the circumstances is making you more and more scummy
How the &¤%# is radfield 99% townie. Explain that to me, he hasn't done anything special to deserve a towntitle. Now look you idiot. From the start Radfield became grouped in to the people who were the elite force of this game and has he been living up to that? No! Compare to what palmar achieved the time he lived and you'd fucking see that Radfield is floating on only because of this idea that he is our best townplayer which magicly makes his posts great while doing a bare minimun required of him and occasionally throwing in a good post WELL GUESS WHAT, If he was scum and didn't do that he would get INSTANTLY LYNCHED so tell me you sheeping moron how he is 99% town... You people, I don't get how you think.
And if you insist on not sharing your role then you shouldn't be elected because if (A) you're mafia you shouldn't be elected and (B) if you're town you shouldn't be elected to spread out mafia targets.
Also it's not my damn fault greymist played scummy and got unlucky with the circumstances of how he defended The Professor. You probably are deluding yourself that Greymist played well but he played a lousy game because he had to role-claim medic to not get lyched.
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On December 22 2011 23:14 risk.nuke wrote:
Radfield I don't want you to be Post General and I absolutely don't wan't you to be cordinating with Intelligence officer because you and TnTp are the two people I think have all to much taken-for-granted towncred without support for it.
Why Radfield is town by Zeks
1. He claimed roleblock for (3?) straight days. Did anyone come out to counter claim the role block? No. Did we ever see a second vote appear on any voting list from his mayor power? No.
Could he have claimed roleblock while telling Sheth to not use roleblock at all? I would think that is one of the stupidest scum schemes known to man.
2. The following posts he's made. See bolded parts
On December 16 2011 09:17 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 09:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:@greymist What about nyczbrandon makes him seem like scum to you rather than newbie-town? Do you think scum would be letting one of their members say things like: :/ I like to lurk. I also just came back recently and I saw a post with my name in it so I decide to respond to it. If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard? Most scum teams don't take an active role in the posting of their members. In fact many scum teams don't really post much at all in their QT outside of KP and role discussion.
Absolutely true and I'll bet at least half of you don't know that.
On December 16 2011 09:37 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 09:24 Jitsu wrote:
Arctocod, in my eyes, is leaning extremely town. I feel you are in this same section, Radfield.
ProfBA because we voted him in as pardoner, and I feel that if he was mafia, you and Arcto would be able to catch him near the end, and we voted him into Pardoner for a reason. Since he is unable to pardon himself, if you 5 were remaining, I think it would end in the towns favor.
I'm not quite in the same section as Arctocod just yet, or at least I shouldn't be. I need a couple notches on my belt first. Me and Arcto will not be around to catch ProfBA in the end. We will be almost certainly dead, unless mafia does not get wise real quick. That means if he is mafia we need to catch him within the next two cycles, or else the townies in the endgame will have to do it on their own.
If there are question marks around ProfBA then you want to leave him hanging where mafia can get to him, and make sure not to give him an excuse to still be alive Day 4 or Day 5.
On December 17 2011 12:43 Radfield wrote:OK, so we're obviously lynching curu. Silencer is a fairly scum-favoured tool, and using it on oneself is not particularly town. Not to mention, did anyone else read that convo between Erandorr and Curu and think it was a convo between two townies? I did not. In other news, I am here to save the day! I have the power to enact a double lynch, and as such will be using it today. Curu is obviously locked in, so lets kickstart on who else we want to lynch  Bum, your posting is ridiculously terrible this game. I would guess half your posts so far I actually have no idea what your talking about. Have you filtered anyone? Have you read any post more than once? You just feel like your putting in about 10 minutes a day of effort. I realize you're homeless and everything, but don't the public libraries have computers you can use?Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 08:00 Arctocod wrote:On December 17 2011 07:52 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:hey syllo, I got one question... Why didn't curu silence you at the beginning of the day... As scum i'd have done exactly that... It's probably a one or twoshot ability but palmar already posted at night that he wants to lynch him... + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 18:28 Arctocod wrote:
Not to mention it's fucking retarded from a setup point of view to have a real-time ability that can just be used after we're both gone to bed. We weren't even around to tell people who should be voted into office instead of us.
We're lynching ProfessorBadass tomorrow. do you think he knew he wouldn't survive day3 for sure if he silences you day1 ? I don't know, maybe it only lasts for X hours rather than the whole day? It's fairly pointless to speculate about his role because the way he used it and acted in the thread make him a pretty much confirmed scum. Also, we definitely shouldn't consider MrZentor confirmed town or anything based on his ability On December 14 2011 10:10 MrZentor wrote:I'm pretty sure it's an ability that must be used before two hours before the election.A little over 2 hours remain in the day. There is no reason for Palmar to do this, and if he had, he would explain it. Risk.nuke acts like Palmar was the one who resigned, something a mafia would do if it were a mafia role like the one I described. Ehh wtf move palmar? And he tries to get the role of pardoner. Since graymist is voting for him I sure as hell don't want him to be pardoner.
Yeah, risk.nuke is mafia.
Vote me for pardoner if you belive I'm town. Then atleast you'll know the role is not in scum hands. It's a rather astute conclusion based on the information available at the time, especially coming from a new player. Eiii's flip pretty much confirmed that it really is the case for the scum version of the role. He also pushes risk nuke, who I believe mafia has considered to be the easy mislynch. While his role can be used in a pro town fashion as he did when I requested him to, it's also quite nice for scum. I'll have to look into what people were saying about Zentor on day 1 though to see if him being scum makes sense http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12735074 This is actually remarkably damning. I haven't checked the time-stamps yet, but what possible reason would a townie have for speculating that it was an ability that needed to be used at least 2 hours before the day. I NEVER would have gotten close to assuming that. It was obvious it was scum driven, but 2 hours? That's incredibly specific and accurate. MrZentor, when you are around please let me know. I have a few questions for you.
3. Dropbear was godfather
If like in many setups where godfather is collectively chosen by the scum team then I can't see why Dropbear would be chosen over Radfield
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On December 23 2011 00:15 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 00:02 zeks wrote:On December 22 2011 23:54 risk.nuke wrote:On December 22 2011 23:33 zeks wrote:On December 22 2011 23:14 risk.nuke wrote:
Radfield I don't want you to be Post General and I absolutely don't wan't you to be cordinating with Intelligence officer because you and TnTp are the two people I think have all to much taken-for-granted towncred without support for it. Explain why you are a better choice and why you would choose DEUS-ex-MAFIA over the intelligence officer or GreyMist Also what do you have to say about GreyMist's medic claim? You were at his throat the whole game Why are you asking for my role when I am clearly WIFOMing? I'm asking about your role because I am not sure about you. Blues doesn't win the game. So answer my question. I'm choosing Deus over IO because blues doesn't win the game for us and because nobody knows what IO is and most often it's just as good the IO decideds what to do for himself to assure scum won't know. I want to discuss privatly with Dues without scum ears and I think that will be very beneficial. Alot more then having radfield controlling the IO or choosing two people who doesn't realise how damn good this role is and won't be able to use it to full extent. Also me and Dues are green so we would be spreading out the people mafia will want to hit. You are still not sure about me when I shot Sheth? Seriously. If I were scum that would be the stupidest fucking move in the world. I would've just decreased kp from 2 to 1. In fact the scum are in such a terrible situation they might as well concede this game right now. Blue's don't win the game? Buddy - the blues are WINNING this game for town right now. Both Sheth and bumatlarge have not been obvious scum targets and if you were given vig you would've shot our medic dead. We are in a good position because of good choices made by myself and VE. I already answered your question that I am clearly WIFOMing my role. The fact that your fishing for my role and inserting doubt into Radfield who is 99% townie proven by his posting and the circumstances is making you more and more scummy How the &¤%# is radfield 99% townie. Explain that to me, he hasn't done anything special to deserve a towntitle. Now look you idiot. From the start Radfield became grouped in to the people who were the elite force of this game and has he been living up to that? No! Compare to what palmar achieved the time he lived and you'd fucking see that Radfield is floating on only because of this idea that he is our best townplayer which magicly makes his posts great while doing a bare minimun required of him and occasionally throwing in a good post WELL GUESS WHAT, If he was scum and didn't do that he would get INSTANTLY LYNCHED so tell me you sheeping moron how he is 99% town... You people, I don't get how you think. And if you insist on not sharing your role then you shouldn't be elected because if (A) you're mafia you shouldn't be elected and (B) if you're town you shouldn't be elected to spread out mafia targets. Also it's not my damn fault greymist played scummy and got unlucky with the circumstances of how he defended The Professor. You probably are deluding yourself that Greymist played well but he played a lousy game because he had to role-claim medic to not get lyched.
I will not share my role PERIOD. So interested in what secretary of defense power does eh? Maybe it has something to do with your name and perhaps I'll need to launch it at your face
Don't call me an idiot when I've done infinitely more than you have in hunting scum. And go ask the whole town how much credibility you have. You're an attention seeker for running in each election dying to get an ability
For you to not go with the voting plan today means you think either Radfield or I am scum or both of us are scum. You need to provide cases on one or both of us. If Radfield and I aren't elected in our respective spots tomorrow I'll know who to find.
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Why Radfield is town by Zeks
1. He claimed roleblock for (3?) straight days. Did anyone come out to counter claim the role block? No. Did we ever see a second vote appear on any voting list from his mayor power? No.
...I forgot about that point. Ok, he's town.
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On December 23 2011 00:02 zeks wrote:
You are still not sure about me when I shot Sheth? Seriously. If I were scum that would be the stupidest fucking move in the world. I would've just decreased kp from 2 to 1.
Unless scum were pretty sure that one of them was going to get lynched the next day.
In fact the scum are in such a terrible situation they might as well concede this game right now.
Unless they have a near-confirmed townie on their side. Which doesn't help your case.
It's a very long shot though. Fundamentally you look town, you smell town, your vig shot made perfect sense as town given that you'd been on Sheth's case all game, and Sheth flipped mafia roleblocker. Until we're down to four players with equivalent credentials, it makes no sense to worry about you.
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Vatican City State258 Posts
massroleclaim?
only 1 kp left...
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Pulled from kitaman his posts which contain errors.
Day One Election Final Tally
Radfield : risk.nuke, zeks, Jitsu, Spaackle, Comprissent, Nisani201, MarserBlood, cascades, Bumatlarge, Cwave, Liquid`Sheth, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA,
ProfessorBadass : GreYMisT, xsksc, prplhz, GiygaS, Eiii, Refallen, Radfield
DEUS-ex-MAFIA : TotallyNotTwoPeople
TotallyNotTwoPeople : evantrees
prplhz: Arctocod
The 3 out of 5 confirmed mafia go for Radfield day1. Assumption is that due to the withdrawel of Arctocod, they could have all voted for the same target(Radfield)
Final Election Tally Day Two
GiygaS : evantrees, Cwave, TotallyNotTwoPeople, VisceraEyes, Radfield, bumatlarge, risk.nuke, MrZentor, cascades, nyczbrandon, Arctocod
Arctocod : ProfessorBadass, GiygaS, GreYMisT, Jitsu, Refallen, DEUS-ex-MAFIA
DEUS-ex-MAFIA : Liquid`Sheth
The 3 out of 5 confirmed mafia all go for a different target day2. Assumption that the strategy by the mafia is to divide over the candidates to avoid voting patterns being noticed. Bumatlarge needs a friend to vote with him so that gives Evantrees/Totally/Risk/Cascades as a potential. Then Prof also needs one friend to vote with him in their pool. Jitsu, Refallen or Deus.
Day Three Election Final Tally
DEUS-ex-MAFIA : Radfield, risk.nuke, TotallyNotTwoPeople, Comprissent, GreYMisT, Liquid`Sheth, zeks, nyczbrandon, GiygaS, jaj22
GreYMisT : Jitsu, Cwave, MrZentor, Refallen, evantrees, DEUS-ex-MAFIA,
Liquid`Sheth : cascades
The confirmed 1 out of 3 mafia goes for Deus. Assuming the spread is continued Cascades stands out for voting on Seth. Among the voters of Greymist there is a high chance of a scum spreading out the love. Refallen, Jitsu and Deus-ex-Mafia stand out.
Day One Lynch Final Tally
Spaackle (11): Eiii, Refallen, Radfield, xsksc, GreYMisT, evantrees, ProfessorBadass, Liquid`Sheth, nyczbrandon, risk.nuke, MrZentor
MrZentor (6): Cwave, MarserBlood, TotallyNotTwoPeople, Spaackle, Comprissent, zeks
Nisani201 (4): Arctocod, DEUS-ex-MAFIA, GiygaS, prplhz,
Comprissent (1): Jitsu
GiygaS (1): Bumatlarge
The 2 out of 5 confirmed mafia go for Spaackle. 1 goes for Giygas. Can’t pull much from this one.
Day Two Lynch Final Tally
ProfessorBadass: Arctocod, DEUS-ex-MAFIA, Refallen, GreYMisT, VisceraEyes, Comprissent, Liquid`Sheth, Jitsu, GiygaS, zeks, bumatlarge , evantrees, cascades, MrZentor, nyczbrandon, Radfield
nyczbrandon: Cwave,
GreYMisT : TotallyNotTwoPeople
risk.nuke : ProfessorBadass
2 out of 5 confirmed go for ProfessorBadass. ProfB goes for risk.nuke. Notice how Seth starts after which bumatgoes as well since the lynch picked up speed. High chance of all scum being in there since ProfBad even posts a give up post.
Day Three Lynch Final Tally
Comprissent : Radfield, Jitsu, evantrees, TotallyNotTwoPeople, MrZentor, zeks, Refallen, jaj22
cascades : DEUS-ex-MAFIA, risk.nuke, Comprissent, GreYMisT, GiygaS
nyczbrandon : Liquid`Sheth, Cwave, cascades,
The 1 out of 3 mafia goes for Nyc.
Looking at this from a helicopterview I would like everyone to reevaluate Jitsu, Deus-ex-Mafia and above all, Cascades some more.
My vote is reserverd for Cascades for now.
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All the election/lynch lists
If anything is incorrect please let me know
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He's made a few posts telling townies a little more how to play and so on which is one of the most effective means for scum to blend in and act pro town because while it seems as giving invaluable advice in the end it doesn't affect the game much. This doesn't give us any slightest read on him. He wrote a that post on if the Professor lives which is one of the early things I liked about him, but it's not actually that conclusive evidence because by saying it was open for wifom. How in the end he agreed to lynch curu doesn't mean anything because curu was long done for and it was Palmar and I who made that happen.
You don't assume anything in mafia. He got roleblocked three times in a row, that gives him quite alot of towncred. But he has been playing badly on other occasions such as electing the professor despite saying he thinks he is scum and at the same time ignoring what I were saying which very pretty good stuff which turned out to be precicly what was happening. And if you're wondering why I'm pissed and wasn't paying attention mucn recently is because you're all hard-ignoring all I say anyway. Pretty impossible to keep the interest up with that treatment.
Radfield pros. Claims 3x roleblock
Radfield cons. Elected Professor, doing extreme minimum.
Conclusion: don't lynch him, don't trust him.
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On December 23 2011 00:38 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
massroleclaim?
only 1 kp left...
I'm for mass roleclaim. We got a good setup to do it, 1 kp. alot of confirmed townies alive.
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Deus said that no-one visited Radfield last night, so that'd be two roleblock claims at most.
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On December 23 2011 01:02 jaj22 wrote:
Deus said that no-one visited Radfield last night, so that'd be two roleblock claims at most.
I think roleblocks are on a per cycle basis
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So's the watcher, apparently:
"Additionally, the police chief role's watcher ability applies to all day and night actions during the cycle."
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12828580
Not sure how that works in different overlap cases though, given that the roleblock could have started before the watcher ability kicked in. If no-one claims roleblock then I guess we can greentext the question.
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On December 23 2011 01:21 jaj22 wrote:So's the watcher, apparently: "Additionally, the police chief role's watcher ability applies to all day and night actions during the cycle." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12828580Not sure how that works in different overlap cases though, given that the roleblock could have started before the watcher ability kicked in. If no-one claims roleblock then I guess we can greentext the question.
watcher is immune to night action
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@Refallen and the rest, Sheth was defending Greymist too? On hindsight, he was trying to build towncred using his knowledge that Greymist is innocent. It doesn't imply that he was 100% using the same strategy on me, but you can't always rely on mafia actions since they can WIFOM and troll you.
@Cwave The same for your list. So all of mafia didn't spread out their vote and all voted for Radfield day one. On day 2 and day 3 mafia somehow must continue their strategy is to spread out their vote to avoid being suspicious despite it not being a problem on Day 1. Also on Day 3 lynch final tally I was voting for same target as Sheth too. Does that clear me in your eyes?
In addition, Day Two lynched final tally we had ProfBad's guilt virtually confirmed. Almost the entire town voted for ProfBad. (excluding ProfBad who cannot vote himself, nycz who wasn't playing the game and got modkilled) High chance of all the scum voting ProfBad. Really? When the entire town did so? Useful observation. In fact, I would say the ones at fault would be Cwave and TNTP who didn't vote ProfBad.
@All I realise Deus opinion has coloured your thoughts town, but stop cherrypicking facts to force me to fit into your image of scum.
@Zeks I don't see why Dropbear would be chosen over ProfBad either, so it was most likely random.
@jaj22, risk.nuke and rest. Good catch that we have all of mafia powers accounted for and a 100% confirmed townie could be a better election prospect than a mere 90% confirmed townie.
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Vatican City State258 Posts
i dont understand your last paragraph...
who do you want to lynch and who do you want to elect?
and dont answer with a question. i want rad and zeks #1,2
and you lynched, not only you just posted again without content!!!
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@Roleblock/Radfield question
Watcher stated in thread works both day and night. Watcher will be able to detect roleblocks committed anytime during that timeframe. That's the purpose of a watcher. If he cannot watch actions that were submitted before/after him it would be stupid making people camp the action and waste their time. This watcher cannot be roleblocked himself.
Therefore,
1) Radfield was not roleblocked last night
2) Deus is lying. (unlikely)
Was Radfield roleblocked all along?
1)Even though he was not roleblocked last night, he did not have additional votes show up. (unless Deus lied)
2)However, we know that mafia has a roleblocker. (Sheth) Noone else claimed they were roleblocked.
What town should do:
Anyone who was roleblocked last night speak up. Remember Sheth was still alive to use his roleblock ability.
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On December 23 2011 02:02 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
i dont understand your last paragraph...
who do you want to lynch and who do you want to elect?
and dont answer with a question. i want rad and zeks #1,2
and you lynched, not only you just posted again without content!!!
Lynch - YOU. Criticizing me while acting the same way(as a vet too!) speaks of double, contradicting standards.
Election - zeks, mrzentor, radfield. Both zeks and mrzentor are confirmed, while I feel that Radfield has been posting town this game.
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