TL Mafia XLVIII - Page 170

On December 19 2011 09:02 Curu wrote:


lol that's a joke. If any of the capable Town players had survived (or had anyone even listened to them) Town likely had an overwhelming victory.

I was talking with syllogism and we were able to establish Jackal as scum and redFF as Town in the first like 10 pages. You had Radfield and syllo pointing out how scummy Jackal was, you had Radfield AND syllo AND Palmar all telling you that annul was 100% scum. You had Toadesstern saying ridiculous shit like"I think annul is Mafia but since vaderseven said he is Town I will listen to vaderseven" which is basically CLAIMING MAFIA.

The last minute switch to redFF I think is the worst play I have ever seen out of a Town in the history of Mafia games. It's hilarious how the three best players in the game all accuse annul and all die and almost the entire scum team was bussing annul when he first came under pressure and Town still refused to lynch him.

On December 19 2011 09:17 Curu wrote:
lol I just noticed too

wtf was Refallen doing? How do you let syllo Radfield and Palmar all die?

On December 19 2011 09:19 Toadesstern wrote:


I said "I think annul is a coinflip and I'm trusting v7 as long as we got another viable lynch candidate" but yeah. I have no idea how people thought I am town d2. I can understand d1 and I think for my first game as mafia I did okayish looking town but d2 people should have called me out for being retarded. I guess the only reason noone called me out for that (rad even defended me all game long) was because I'm still new and it really could be a retarded townie. However there really was no excuse for thinking I'm town d3 :p

On December 19 2011 09:29 wherebugsgo wrote:


It was only n1. N2 he successfully protected Palmar. N3 he was roleblocked.

On December 19 2011 09:02 Curu wrote:


lol that's a joke. If any of the capable Town players had survived (or had anyone even listened to them) Town likely had an overwhelming victory.

I was talking with syllogism and we were able to establish Jackal as scum and redFF as Town in the first like 10 pages. You had Radfield and syllo pointing out how scummy Jackal was, you had Radfield AND syllo AND Palmar all telling you that annul was 100% scum. You had Toadesstern saying ridiculous shit like"I think annul is Mafia but since vaderseven said he is Town I will listen to vaderseven" which is basically CLAIMING MAFIA.

The last minute switch to redFF I think is the worst play I have ever seen out of a Town in the history of Mafia games. It's hilarious how the three best players in the game all accuse annul and all die and almost the entire scum team was bussing annul when he first came under pressure and Town still refused to lynch him.

On December 19 2011 09:19 Toadesstern wrote:


I said "I think annul is a coinflip and I'm trusting v7 as long as we got another viable lynch candidate" but yeah. I have no idea how people thought I am town d2. I can understand d1 and I think for my first game as mafia I did okayish looking town but d2 people should have called me out for being retarded. I guess the only reason noone called me out for that (rad even defended me all game long) was because I'm still new and it really could be a retarded townie. However there really was no excuse for thinking I'm town d3 :p

On December 19 2011 09:31 Curu wrote:


I only remember reading that one post but it was so ridiculous. Like you have syllo/Radfield/Palmar all telling you with great clearcut cases that annul is Mafia but instead you decided to listen to vaderseven who cleared him as Town entirely because of his role. It was such a deadset scum giveaway lol, especially the way you posted it without any regards to the cases. I am really surprised no one caught onto it.

Luckily the entire Town decided to listen to vaderseven as well.

On December 19 2011 09:15 annul wrote:
bottom line is the 2 KP coupled with the fact we had NO offense coupled with the fact town had a full medic, 2 shot vig, JAILKEEPER, and a jack, meant it was crazy imba.

we had to play perfectly to get a chance to win. we did. our last minute plans worked. we held jackal back knowing of the floridian powers that town had no idea we had.

On December 19 2011 09:17 Curu wrote:
lol I just noticed too

wtf was Refallen doing? How do you let syllo Radfield and Palmar all die?

On December 19 2011 09:15 annul wrote:
bottom line is the 2 KP coupled with the fact we had NO offense coupled with the fact town had a full medic, 2 shot vig, JAILKEEPER, and a jack, meant it was crazy imba.

we had to play perfectly to get a chance to win. we did. our last minute plans worked. we held jackal back knowing of the floridian powers that town had no idea we had.

On December 19 2011 09:38 wherebugsgo wrote:


you don't know the meaning of "balance."

Sorry, but the reason mafia lost 5 members was because you decided to troll town. You could've picked far better ways to get the no-lynch to work, the sacrifice of all 5 of you was completely unnecessary.

Also, again, get your head out of your ass and learn about standard setups.

XLIV: Setup was 30 players with KP being n/2.

Town had two vigilantes, a watcher, a tracker, a sane cop, a naive cop, a veteran, and two medics. In all, 8 power roles out of 24 players, or 1/3 of the town playerbase.

Scum had a roleblocker and framer, KP n/2. That was it. 1/3 of them were power roles by ratio in a game in which they comprised 20% of the total playerbase.

In this game, we had 24 players total with 6 town power roles. One vig, one medic, one Jack, one parity cop (not even a reg cop), one jailkeeper (gimped medic), a Floridian (extra vote woo).

Scum had 3 of the same roles and a roleblocker to match the jailkeeper's potential offensive roleblock (although in a game this size that's a fucking terrible use of the jailkeeper ability). 4/6 power roles on the scumteam; 2/3 ratio in a SMALLER game.

Now compare that to XLIV. You essentially start the game with 6 free kills, and you even have an extra kill in the dayvig.

Thus, your cycle 1 KP was still 3, and every cycle after that saw a reduction to 2 kp. You only get knocked down to 1 kp after losing THREE members, you don't lose KP after losing two.

With 6 less townies and KP of 3 day cycle 1 you don't need n/2 to win. You've already essentially made up for 7 KP by the first night. In the XLIV equivalent, you would be even at day 7.

Imbalanced my ass.

On December 19 2011 09:44 Refallen wrote:


I admit I did a lot wrong and not much right. Especially night 1, since I had no idea who all these players were nor drazerk's history of fake role-claiming. Nor did I know that syllo was a super good player.
And radfield died because I protected Palmar from a hit the same night.

I think my problems were that though I had some scum reads which were quite accurate, I didn't make clear cases on them.

Any more feedback is appreciated

On December 19 2011 06:51 prplhz wrote:
Well, I was actually referring to syllogism's "You guys will never improve"-thing. It's like when Ace made that post saying "Everybody sucks" and then just left it there, I have played like 50 games and I still suck but I only really started improving after a lot of nice people started me giving some really good advice

I think people here need to listen to the people who are considered good players a lot more (one of the advice I myself was given at some point and that drastically improved my play). Learn to get a good read on them and learn how they play and then put them in the spot light, there they will either perform or they will out themselves. Learn to read the special cases that are the experienced players first and then listen to what they have to say 'cause they're often right, or they will sound stupid, then move on to start scum hunting for real yourself. Town hunting is a lot easier I'd say Also, if one good player says something and 10 not-so-good players say something else, it's usually the good player who is right.

Dunno, I really shouldn't be giving advice but that's my take on this game. I was actually not entirely convinced about annul either, but I was very sure that Palmar was town and I was very sure that syllogism had shot annul, so that was two good players saying that a guy was definitely scum, and that very often means that he's scum.

Also, yea Drazerk you need a break from mafia I think You had a god damn mental break down this game. Totally contrary to how you played in XLVII which I enjoyed a lot

On December 19 2011 10:09 annul wrote:
so WBG it seems like your argument is "other games have shit balance so its okay that my game has shit balance too"

our sacrifice play was correct. barring 1%> chances of the correct power roles doing their shit, our day 4 play won the game, NATURALLY the miracle saves occurred, but that doesnt make the play a bad play.

the fact remains that in order to even get to that position we needed perfect play.

On December 19 2011 10:05 Palmar wrote:


This post, both the content, the thought process behind it, is the reason prplhz is quickly becoming one of the best players on this forum.

Awesome job in your recent games as town prplhz.

Jackal played a very strong scum game, pretty unsurprising I guess, he's awesome as scum.

The redFF lynch was well... kinda ok scumplay, remember that I tore apart Zephirdd's case against redFF on day 2. I don't think it was terribly bad town play either, of course it was far from optimal. I think the main problem was redFF himself, he had such a bad game this time around, his reads were all way off.

Happens to everyone though, he's a decent player.

Refallen, you did sort of well this game. Lanaia, Mattchew, Drazerk, Vaderseven, Kingjames, Truthbringer, you all really, really need to step up your game.

I'm sorry for not being clear enough with the case against annul, I really should have gotten him lynched, but having to go to sleep 5 hours before the deadline is kinda hard. I'd rate my play this game okay.

Scum played "well" given the situation. Any non-retarded town would've completely smashed you guys, but you correctly read the situation and realized you could get away with this. That's very good call on your behalf, and man, Jackal is such a fucking monster as scum.

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