TL Mafia XLVII - Page 73

You choose good ones for me to read at least. They weren't lurkers or people that leave me asking am I sure the mod said no jesters.

prplhz-

I find his campaign scummy more so not. I would say if 50% was undecided and 0% was scum I have him at around a 45-47.5% right now. He is extremely interested in directing the game. This is alarming to me this early on because one usually is not wanting to take that level of direction and order giving unless they have information. At this point in the game, the only ones with 0 information are the town players.

Things like:



and



to me sound like things that would be more likely to come out of a player that knows something about who is which side combined with a desire to use that information to direct the town in ways that will help whatever side he is on.

I would also go on to say that he never hints at a desire for input from more sources on the things that he is pushing. Compare it to the next guy Erandorr and this will be easier to understand.

Sadly at this time there is no way that the town can have info like that so I see his entire approach to have a almost subliminal scum vibe to it.

Erandorr-

If I rated this guy on that same percent scale he would be right at 52.5-55%. I think he is more likely to be town than scum. His tone that I am keying in on that makes me say this can be seen in things like:



Erandorr goes completely back on what he pushed in his campaign post by completely endorsing someone else that he finds to be good and active. I know he says he is pro town but if you read the sentence, " He kept activity high, engaged the new players in the conversation and discussed basically every topic that got brought up," you can sense that he got a warm glowly feeling by seeing a player he respects as 'good at mafia' being active and informative. I would conclude that Erandorr knows very little about who is who and is almost re-leaved to see an active good player to follow. I don't see this as trully strong or weak town play just kinda noisy that doesn't accomplish much except through out an endorsement to an established player that is showing interest in the game. Nothing about those motivations really fit with a scummy mind set and I cant see or conclude that Erandorr is thinking any differently. He puts in some additional scum hunting after this that I can't really get a read on because it is a bit hard to keep all the players in my head in a organized web at this moment.

Youngminii-

lol this guy is mad about losing to a specific player in the past. Classic case of it. If that isn't the case then god damn it really looks like it and wtf are you sure he isn't mad. He is either bad town or is a semi new scum and Palmer is on his scum team and this is the most epic fail of a bus I have ever seen. I don't have a formed opinion on this guy yet but he is now *'ed in my notes because I need to pay attention to his play to see wtf is going on.

That is all of course without really having taken ANY time to re read past games and I can tell these 3 have played here before. I will honestly avoid doing that level of thinking (the player style metagame thinking) until the game has shrunk a bit.

If any wants to metagame me go ahead and check out my more recent games at http://forum.solidstatesquad.com/index.php?s=527f9d44f5a52f2e8a60befc4e1af5b5&showforum=27





I do not see a likely candidate that I feel is a truly pro town choice at this game state so my mind is basically blank as to how to elect something. Until a more creative / higher chance to help town solution arises to my game theory image of this moment I can only go on and vote for what I know.

I don't see this as irrelevant as much as a game design choice that doesn't have a favorable approach to as town side so I am just fulfilling the requirements to vote so as to not get myself mod killed. I assure you, I value my vote very much and am placing it where I feel is truly best in an abstract and logical sense.

Good night thread.

I'm gonna echo a weak form of Kenpachi's Law, day1 is kinda useless.

On Palmar's Run
I already said why this is a bad idea; the guy has deliberately been down playing his scum play and attacking youngminii who called him out on it. If you are voting for him because you think he is townie then you are a moron. His campaign has consisted of him posted one liners answering silly questions from newbies and discussing a DT plan for many a pages. None of this says anything about his alignment, it only says something about his activity and activity is not necessarily a townie tell. Answering questions about WIFOM and Mafia/scum and redirecting people to wikis and spreadsheets of filters (you should add &currentpage=All do those links) is not a townie tell. Whether or not this DT plan really is beneficial for us, is extremely hard to tell and one thing is very certain: we cannot hold him up on not implementing it because he can not control detectives, he can only ask them to do something. Being mayor does not make it easier for Palmar to implement this plan, and in my opinion the plan is of questionable usability anyway. Until now the only thing it has done is that it has made people vote for Palmar.

I am a bit weirded out by the momentum Palmar's campaign has gained so far. I can't tell if it is because his campaign is so well executed or if there's anything fishy going on. I think in a game like this newbies will bandwagon on a guy they feel safe about, disregarding the grim perspective that he might be a wolf in sheep's clothing.

The only thing that might say anything about Palmar's alignment is who he decides to lynch but I am very much against this youngminii lynch. He called Palmar out early on for downplaying his scum capabilities, and then Palmar viciously attacked him right back, even though Palmar knew that youngminii was actually right. youngminii went out on a limb to say something that all players here knows: Palmar is a strong player, no matter what his alignment is. Maybe he didn't have his numbers ready (I found those for him later) but Palmar just attacks him even know Palmar indubitably has to know that he's actually won a lot of his mafia games. I mean, the guy has his profile full of his results, I'm sure he has looked at them from time to time.

If you are voting Palmar because you think he is town, then you are a moron. (I am not saying that Palmar is scum, I am saying that nothing he's done so far has pushed him so much in one direction or another that you can say anything reliably about his alignment) If you are voting for Palmar because you want a DT plan implemented, then you are a moron. If you think that the DT plan is going to help town out, then you might be right but this is extremely hard to say anything about in a closed setup like this. If you are voting because you think he is active, then you should hold him up on his activity. I doubt this will be a problem though since he's always active.

On sandroba's Run
sandroba and syllogism banded up in last game, but that was a PM game and syllogism executed some cheap trick to make sandroba trust him. His platform on lynching sinani206 and no DT plans is very noncommittal. I can say nothing about his alignment so far. I don't think sandroba has any concept of whether sinani206 is scum or not, I have no idea why he is targeting him. Actually sinani206 looks like he did last game I played with him, terrible but nothing to pin him as scum at all, but as in last game, I don't care much if he's gone 'cause he doesn't look like he's going to be of much help and you know what, he might actually just be scum since he is insisting on continuing with his FUCK YEAH campaign even though he should just shut the fuck up about it.

People who say that they know one is town or one is scum because of meta are stupid. Meta is not a tool for determining alignment, it's a tool for supporting opinions and directing your attention. People aren't town on meta and they're not scum on meta. Not even when it's syllogism judging sandroba.

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I still recommend that everybody votes GreYMisT but I'd rather have sandroba in office than Palmar. In the end they're both gonna end up winning today so whatever. I hope you realize that Palmar has made you all vote for him for no reason other than his activity today, this really serves as evidence of just how good he is at seducing the masses.

Also, sinani206: raving lunatic or misunderstood genius? We may never know.