EPTTL Mafia XLVII - Page 72
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
This same situation happened in PYP:I and I ignored both of you for half the game because people kept saying they thought you were town. I'd rather see you both die, since in this case syllo is also acting weird. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On November 26 2011 18:32 wherebugsgo wrote: Right, it's about the unaddressed concerns in the addendum that I posted. Wtf are you going on about? You say repeatedly that the concerns are unaddressed. I tell you that I've addressed them all and you reply that it's not about me? Dude what are you going on about? Why say that the concerns are unaddressed, then when I point out to you how I replied and rebutted all of the counterpoints, you say that it's not about me? I posted an analysis of Palmar's play and you react as if it was an attack of your DT plan and play. I haveaddressed everything I had to, so I don't think that it would be productive to continue discussing this with you. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 26 2011 18:45 xtfftc wrote: I posted an analysis of Palmar's play and you react as if it was an attack of your DT plan and play. I haveaddressed everything I had to, so I don't think that it would be productive to continue discussing this with you. I really don't understand anything of what you're saying. You continually assert that the BC/my plan had "many unaddressed concerns" and then post links to a bunch of posts made by sandro and syllo that are critical of it. I then tell you that I have addressed all of these concerns, and rebutted every point made, and replied to all of the posts you linked. Thus, how can you continue to assert that there exist "many unaddressed concerns?" I have so far addressed all of them. Are you bringing up new issues, or are you just going to keep dodging me? On November 26 2011 18:45 syllogism wrote: It's completely accurate, feel free to ask sandroba about it after the game to realize how wrong you are once again. Even if he is scum in this game he will tell you I'm correct. This matters for nothing if he is scum. My whole point is that you cannot conclude sandro is town based on him pushing sinani for lynch. If anything, it makes him more likely to be scum. This little side argument is relatively pointless. You may know sandro personally better than I do, but we disagree because what you think are good reasons, I think are terrible. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On November 26 2011 18:38 intrigue wrote: hiiii guys i subbed in for someone. so, i don't know anybody, but palmar seems pretty popular. should i just jump on the bandwagon and vote for him too? You shall do whatever you think it's best for furthering your objectives. Have you played mafia before? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I'm sorry but when I play mafia I don't believe anyone. I operate strictly based on logic and motivation, and any argument that requires me to believe another player's integrity, IMO, is a bad one. You're essentially asking me to put faith in you, and that's not an argument based in logic. An argument that IS based in logic, however, is this one: You argue that you know how sandro plays; he caught scum in Resurrection by looking at who went for an easy lynch in kenpachi. Well, what's ironic about this is that the same scum in the same game pushed another easy lynch, that of sinani. He is the same player we are now discussing, except this time the person who tried to push the easy lynch of sinani is sandro. If a reliable method of catching scum is looking at who goes for easy lynches, then sandro is scum in this game for trying to push the easy lynch of sinani. You're arguing that sinani is not an easy lynch, which is a far more untenable position than mine. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 26 2011 19:07 sandroba wrote: @wbg Your "logic" is extremelly faulty. You are arguing then that sinani can never be scum because he is bad? Do you think that lynching into the few vets we have in this game is optimal play for day 1? Isn't YM a simillar easy lynch by your own standards? Please. No, I am arguing that sinani will nearly always be an easy lynch. There's a significant difference. Our job as townies is to lynch scum, sinani will never be the optimal choice for lynch day 1 unless you have some way of divining his alignment or you are left in a situation in which no one else makes sense. Since the first is impossible and the second is ludicrous by the sheer number of players we have, we should not even be discussing a day 1 lynch of players like sinani. I think lynching the person who is most actively pushing scum agenda on day 1 is optimal play. It's bound to be a vet, since I really doubt a new player is going to jump in and be so incredibly pro-scum that we have no choice but to lynch him. Lastly, about YM: If YM has a history of being useless as town, if people very easily agree to lynching YM (and have done so in the past) with very minimal reasoning, and if YM becomes completely inactive with no clear behavioral indications of either alignment, then yeah, he probably is an easy lynch too. However, since none of those things are true, why are you trying to say YM is an easy lynch like sinani is? You're not even arguing that sinani isn't an easy lynch at this point. It's almost as if you've agreed with me. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
no idea really how to play this cuz of the sheer size of this... I don't like several posts but I can't actually say its beyond the fact that I really dislike some of the post styles I am seeing BUT ITS DAY 1 SO THINGS MIGHT LEVEL OUT. I am not used to being forced into a vote (seems like a TL mafia thing over other places i've played) so I am going to have to vote for myself simply because I am stuck going 'but if' everytime I try to see if I could get behind someone. I mainly dont buy into the the top two vote leaders for this mayor race and don't want to 'not vote' cuz that is against the rules. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On November 26 2011 19:19 vaderseven wrote: hum a typical day. no idea really how to play this cuz of the sheer size of this... I don't like several posts but I can't actually say its beyond the fact that I really dislike some of the post styles I am seeing BUT ITS DAY 1 SO THINGS MIGHT LEVEL OUT. I am not used to being forced into a vote (seems like a TL mafia thing over other places i've played) so I am going to have to vote for myself simply because I am stuck going 'but if' everytime I try to see if I could get behind someone. I mainly dont buy into the the top two vote leaders for this mayor race and don't want to 'not vote' cuz that is against the rules. okay, I understand, that you don't want to dig through all this. But I got a little job for you to do: Can you please filter prplhz, erandorr and Youngminii and tell us what you think about them? Would be great. Thanks. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On November 26 2011 19:28 tree.hugger wrote: Hey hey everyone, this is awkward timing, I'm in Sweden for Dreamhack (this is easily verifiable) and I'm having to run everywhere all day. I'll be back tomorrow probably, but I obviously need to explain my inactivity. vote yourself, dont get modkilled. We will take care of you tomorrow. ;-) | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On November 26 2011 18:38 intrigue wrote: hiiii guys i subbed in for someone. so, i don't know anybody, but palmar seems pretty popular. should i just jump on the bandwagon and vote for him too? Not quite; read up a bit first as some people think giving him the mayor post could be disastrous. I would personally prefer if you wanted to take a look at BloodyC0bbler and Sandroba, who both have good cases for going for the mayor post. However you're quite free to just go for it if you think Palmar's activity is pro-town enough for your liking. | ||
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
On November 26 2011 19:32 supersoft wrote: vote yourself, dont get modkilled. We will take care of you tomorrow. ;-) who's "we"? and by "take care" do you mean you'll keep him safe? (if so why?) or is it a euphemism for killing him, because you're mafia? since this is my first game, i'm gonna ask some stupid questions, esp because this game is so big. i've read some of the linked guides and the proportions should be similar but still, so many people makes my head spin. here's what i think i "know" at this moment in time: - optimal town play right now for vanilla townies and people with roles is to pick a trustworthy leader. picking a scum is not an autoloss, and an active/straight up analytical leader will generate the most discussion. even if he is scum, from live experience i think most forms of discussion are good for town anyway (true or false?). that's why i voted for palmar, though i only discovered his posts because he was already a frontrunner. - optimal mafia play right now... well i have no idea. try to get themselves or another mafia member into the position of mayor and/or sheriff without looking suspicious? nominate incompetent townie leaders? discredit good choices for mayor? i have to consider that someone like palmar could be going through all this effort in his posts to get into a position of power as mafia, but as i stated before he generates discussion and is thorough in his arguments. we can watch for deterioration of that over the course of the game to monitor how consistent he is. mafia right now would REALLY want palmar to not get the mayor position if he is indeed a townie. if he's mafia, he's in a position of constant scrutiny and he has an established posting pattern that may reveal his role if it deviates. - only people that should act on night one are mafia, and the town's detective (different from sheriff, right?) and medic. right? vigilante and blah blah blah don't have enough information to act... and umm. detective should check someone unlikely to die (does that mean checking the mayor would be a good choice then?) and medic should save someone... randomly? just for information, to know if somebody was targeted or not. anyhow, sorry if this is all dumb and elementary, i wanted to get my bearings in my first TL mafia game! | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On November 26 2011 20:32 intrigue wrote: who's "we"? and by "take care" do you mean you'll keep him safe? (if so why?) or is it a euphemism for killing him, because you're mafia? "we" are the more experienced players. taking care is something like this: On November 26 2011 19:25 supersoft wrote: okay, I understand, that you don't want to dig through all this. But I got a little job for you to do: Can you please filter prplhz, erandorr and Youngminii and tell us what you think about them? Would be great. Thanks. On November 26 2011 04:02 supersoft wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=117613¤tpage=3 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&user=117613¤tpage=2 I think he's scum... might be wrong, but this passiveness fits his scummeta... Go look that up yourself. I found these filters when I was researching YMs past. | ||
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