EPTTL Mafia XLVII - Page 74
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On November 26 2011 21:48 annul wrote: holy fuck dude, what a massive mafia tell grats on #1 target for me. in my sights now. On November 26 2011 22:17 annul wrote: "if we have no reads on him, EASY LYNCH TARGET!" no. this is a horrible and terribad idea. you dont lynch people because you have no alignment read on them. this is retarded and is what mafia wants, not town. like i said it could be any name in there, not just YM. the logic itself is flawed. rather than saying, "if we have no reads on him, EASY LYNCH TARGET!" i saw wherebugsgo as saying that a particular player is an easy lynch because; player X is often useless, distracting, tries to troll or is generally regarded as bad and therefore a good lynch target.it is very easy to push a weak case on player X and get them lynched because they are not seen as playing "pro-town" so can more easily be seen as having an "anti-town agenda" this doesn't account for his alignment and would therefore be bad lynch because it isn't based on a case that suggests player x is mafia. Also if they have a history of being lynched day1 1 a case for lynching them day 1 must have been made and trusted multiple times is the past so the case is more likely based on their playstyle rather than them pushing an agenda, or making scumslips. the reason for lynching the player may be poor but cant you see how easily a player that isn't being critical could see somebody like sinani YM or even kenpachi as a good lynch target? i dont think wbg is saying we should lynch YM but is simply tring to explain how someone might think we should. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On November 26 2011 22:35 sandroba wrote: @annul that is not what wbg ment. He is saying I'm suspicious because he thinks I had no reason to go after sinani and that I couldn't possibly have a read on him at this point because he always plays suspciously. He is saying he is an easy mislynch to pull off and thus should not be targeted. ninja could you answer my post? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On November 26 2011 22:35 sandroba wrote: @annul that is not what wbg ment. He is saying I'm suspicious because he thinks I had no reason to go after sinani and that I couldn't possibly have a read on him at this point because he always plays suspciously. He is saying he is an easy mislynch to pull off and thus should not be targeted. how do you know what he meant? you have the exact same information i have (his text); why do you have a better claim to what he "meant" than i do? there is one way, actually. . . | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On November 26 2011 22:50 layabout wrote: i saw wherebugsgo as saying that a particular player is an easy lynch because; player X is often useless, distracting, tries to troll or is generally regarded as bad and therefore a good lynch target. it is very easy to push a weak case on player X and get them lynched because they are not seen as playing "pro-town" so can more easily be seen as having an "anti-town agenda" yes, and i am saying that such logic is pro-mafia. i dont think wbg is saying we should lynch YM but is simply tring to explain how someone might think we should. of course he isnt saying to lynch YM: in fact he explicitly says not to, that YM does not fit the test he established. what i am saying is the test he established (which wherebugsgo says YM fails) is a pro-mafia test. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On November 26 2011 22:56 annul wrote: how do you know what he meant? you have the exact same information i have (his text); why do you have a better claim to what he "meant" than i do? there is one way, actually. . . he processes information more intelligently than you? | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
easy lynches are overly scummy and useless. They're good targets for our vigilantes. Thats the reason why sinanis veteranclaim is even more antitown than his scummy/useless/spammy behaviour. If we shoot him now and he's vet, our vig has to claim the shot to confirm him as vet; consequence is that shooting him means risking a valuable shot. I know it's a little bit "wifom", but his claim does only make sense if he's scum. He's not worth a lynch and not worth risking a shot. I don't agree with decons theory (i don't remember exactly if it really was decon) that he's a frustrated townie. He's one of the worst players in the TLmafia-forum because as town and as scum he barely plays the game. Instead he's trolling or being afk all the time. If he really wanted to change his play this game, he has no reason to be pissed if we don't believe him until he prove us wrong. Sinani confirms once again my prejudices towards him; and this time he's not only useless like always, no. This time he's even more antitown than usually. As I pointed out, his claim is extremely selfish and makes perfect sense if he's scum. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On November 26 2011 22:59 annul wrote: yes, and i am saying that such logic is pro-mafia. of course he isnt saying to lynch YM: in fact he explicitly says not to, that YM does not fit the test he established. what i am saying is the test he established (which wherebugsgo says YM fails) is a pro-mafia test. point 1) i dont think wbg is advocating such logic point 2) this seems like something worth consideration | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
I think he's a perfect target for one of our rolecops. They can verify if he really is vet and maybe breadcrumb it anywhere? I know the last part of that plan is in need of improvement... | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
I would like to see BC post some more before the voting deadline. I would like to see more from Coag than "sup guys" At least claim medic Coag. xttfc gives me a scum vibe. LSB needs to run for mayor and give us a plan. That way we know it will never work the way he laid it out. I don't know why you guys are still fighting about a DT plan. It's a moot point. It won't ever work anyways. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:00 layabout wrote: he processes information more intelligently than you? he proclaimed to have more information than i do ("what he meant was ____"). how can he possibly know this? he can claim "he probably meant ____ instead" or "i think he meant ____" but that is not what he claimed. note that when YOU said "i saw wherebugsgo as saying _______" i never attacked you in the same way. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Rereading this thread I noticed a serious problem with this game. The way things are going right now, it seems like it is okay for the new players in this game to simply sheep the opinion of the "veterans" and provide no real content themselves. We have gone on about how this player is good and that player is bad and not to be listened too. I fear this is making all new people scared of posting their opinions on other players, out of fear to be judged on it. As a result the mafia amongst the new players has a safe place to hide and no real incentive to voice their opinions and thus get caught on scum behaviiour paterns. So listen: If you are town, no matter how bad you think you suck at this game right now, you need to step up and voice your opinion on other players, not only those who are running for mayor. By producing content you help everyone get a good grasp at your alignment and force mafia to post in similar fashion, by reducing the pool in which to hide. Do not fear being lynched or being wrong. No matter what people might tell you, the "veterans" cannot win this game by themselves and it's very hard to pin scum out of a pool of 50 players behaving in similar fashion. Put in the effort and post. The town's fate depends on you much more than anyone else. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:09 annul wrote: he proclaimed to have more information than i do ("what he meant was ____"). how can he possibly know this? he can claim "he probably meant ____ instead" or "i think he meant ____" but that is not what he claimed. note that when YOU said "i saw wherebugsgo as saying _______" i never attacked you in the same way. would i be correct in stating that things like this can be important and help to show the difference between an average and experienced player? and because that sentence really doesn't further discussion i would like to state that i think we shouldn't vote sandroba or palmar ( i outlined this earlier but nobody explained to me why i was incorrect/had a valid point so at the moment my vote is being wasted) | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
thats nothing at all. so speak up because if everyone is scared then we lose ~5 out of every 6 times. we need to improve upon random chance. so contribute. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:24 layabout wrote: would i be correct in stating that things like this can be important and help to show the difference between an average and experienced player? define "things like this" and explain how exactly it shows a difference between players, then i can tell you if i think you are correct | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On November 26 2011 23:29 annul wrote: define "things like this" and explain how exactly it shows a difference between players, then i can tell you if i think you are correct "subtle differences in wording" when i posted i made an effort to word things how i did + Show Spoiler + (though i feel some of what i said was a bit clumsy) | ||
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