What are the other issues?
You mention this repeatedly, like most people have, but you never actually said what they are.
I realise that you are more likely to downplay the issues raised, considering that it is your plan that is being criticised (that's how it works, it's not your fault) but we've been discussing them for quite some time now. I'll post some links but consider this: my point wasn't about whether your plan was good or not but about the way he didn't get that involved in the discussion. He was very vocal against BC's plan (he even tried to explain it to you) but when he announced his support for the new plan, he was very brief:
On November 25 2011 20:01 Palmar wrote:
The only glaring problem is that we'll be killing a lot of people early, but even then I'm not sure it's a bad idea in a game like this. I actually think it'll help us a lot just killing a lot of people using bad logic. They're either scum, or bad, so they're not increasing our chances of winning.
Anyway, here's some of the issues raised:
+ Show Spoiler +Is it Palmar-ish to shy away from this discussion, especially when he decided to incorporate the plan in his campaign and pledged to be active and critical? He barely touched it... Seriously, try not to think about whether your plan is good or bad but whether this is what Palmar would do.
Of course he addressed the issues.
Where?
I addressed them too.
This is not about you. This is about Palmar.
Why is it that you are trying to cherry pick my/Palmar's side of this discussion when you completely ignored the fact that syllo never responded to this question:
Because this is my case on Palmar, not on syllogism. I have, however, paid attention to Palmar's attitude towards Syllogism and Sandroba. I suggest re-reading my case.
Those are not questions to sidetrack discussion and you know it. Sandro is a very good scumhunter, all of the players who have played with him before know this.
Thus, it is incredibly weird that he would push a very easy lynch in sinani on day 1, he opposes a plan that requires us to analyze players, and he knows that the alternative, "playing standard" as you say, does not help the DTs find their sanities, nor does it help new players get accustomed to doing what they're supposed to be doing.
These quotes are from the discussion of your plan, not of Sandroba's lynch proposition.
YM said he never said Palmar was better as town as scum, despite there existing an exact quote of him saying exactly that. That's a blatant lie. YM is a liar.
All YM has done is slander and attack Palmar and his campaign. The case on YM is not weak by any means because YM has done nothing to advance a town agenda.
Tell me, what has YM done that is actually productive and conducive to a good town atmosphere? Can you name one thing?
This is not about YM (or you), it is about Palmar. YM hasn't done anything productive, of course. Have I claimed anything else?
Lastly, you make a terrible assumption that if YM was mafia his teammates would've intervened. That's not necessary. If I were scumbuddies with YM and people started suspecting him I wouldn't touch him with a 60 foot pole because I would not want to be connected with someone who is that bad at staying hidden.
You make the terrible assumption that they can only intervene in the thread instead of PM-ing him to stop him from this ritual suicide.
Who cares how I've been doing? Why do you even mention this when it has no bearing on your actual argument? This entire paragraph is just pointless fluff.
This is about Palmar, not you. Try to think about it. This is an analysis of how Palmar has been interacting with you - of course it matters how you play... I'd suggest that you go through Palmar's filter and then we can talk some more.
Lastly, you say I made 15 wrong calls in XLIV.
Nope, I was talking about XLV where I replaced GMarshal. And, more importantly, this is about Palmar, not you.
+ Show Spoiler +Also, XLIV was my very first game ever and I protected three mafia players and not four
Nice of you to mention it though.
Way to go, you said the complete opposite of what I said.
I said a frame will ALWAYS mess things up, no matter what you do.
I have messed up with the wording of this one. Because it is actually relevant, I will address it in another post.
I think anyone who supports my plan is more likely to be town because they actually read it.
I didn't say anything about people who do not support my plan. I purposely left that out so people like you can get baited.
The only reason mafia wouldn't read it is if you're mafia and have explained the idea to them briefly. If you weren't obviously getting emotional, I would call this a massive scum slip.
You're saying we didn't have a single good case? This is because you think the case on youngminii is bad. Sorry, but that's your opinion. This does not in any way, shape or form show how I have inappropriately used logic.
The case on YM was proposed after you post.
So your whole goal is to simply say I never make sense?
Not never. The point is that Palmar's reactions to your play did not make sense.
Show nested quote +Additional resources you might need:
Palmar's filter
wherebugsgo's filter
sandroba's filter and syllogism's filter (for criticisms towards BC and WBG's plans
Wonderful.
Your post is complete fluff.
I posted a lot of quotes and didn't have the time to add direct links to them, so I put links to your filters to make it at least a bit easier for the newbies to confirm the authentity of your words. How is that fluff? If you had bothered checking the link
I gave you to make it easier for you to confirm the autneticity of the words, you wouldn't have asked me "Can you quote where Palmar said only this?" Here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=50#999
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