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... ... ... ##Vote jaybrundage + Show Spoiler + Somebody had to do it | ||
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On November 12 2011 23:56 sandroba wrote: ##signout If you wish to play in this game, post in the thread ##Signup. If you change your mind and do not wish to play in the game, edit to remove your signup post. (Game rules do not apply until the game has begun when roles are distributed.) Edit your earlier post! | ||
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On November 14 2011 10:12 Kenpachi wrote: There are more than 30 players signed up i believe o_o... Counting or not counting the people that signed up and then decided not to without editing their signup post? | ||
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On November 15 2011 09:38 sinani206 wrote: 20 minutes... trollface but at least the game is starting! 20 minutes is 8:00PM EST, not 9? Unless Zona actually meant EDT, despite the fact that we are no longer on EDT. | ||
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On November 15 2011 11:54 MrZentor wrote: When are we getting our roles? I am extremely excited.  I regret to inform you that I don't think you were among the first 26 players to sign up, and therefore are likely not in the game. /confirm So does the game just start now that roles are out? or is there an official start time? | ||
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On November 15 2011 12:55 LSB wrote: LAL?come to think about it, that does seem like a nice icebreaker. So everyone! How about lets talk about how you think mafia should be played, the importance of blues, what should we do with lurkers, and what majority lynch means. For your point on LAL, unless I have misread the OP, we only know what abilities are possible, not which are actually in the game, how they may have been combined into roles, nor how many of the role there may be. So, unless we have a cop of some variety, I don't know how you intend to find liars in this game. So were you just stating that as a general "in mafia games" rule, or did you have something in mind for this game in particular? I'd be interested in hearing how you intend to determine the liars given the setup. Claiming... As far as claiming goes though, I don't know what this implies, but from the OP: Furthermore, there may be dangers in store for town players who claim their role. I wonder whether this applies only to true claims, or to false claims as well...? And it also specifies a danger for [i]town players[i], not everyone, hmm...Lurkers and lynching As for lurkers, when I first saw the voting system I was wondering about a strategy in which we just lynch them en masse day two or something like that since we are allowed to lynch more than one a day and then we just don't have to deal with them, but then I noticed this: There are hazards in store for the town that lynches too many players in a particular day. That being said, the threat of some form of policy lynch for lurking may still be viable, depending on the number of lurkers we end up with and the threshold for triggering the "hazards". It would certainly be nice to avoid having to be in LYLO or MYLO with people who post once or twice a day though. And the threat of getting lynched solely for lurking might encourage people to contribute a bit more. I'd be interested in hearing other thoughts on this, especially given that if we lynch too many people in a day it sounds like something will go awry. Policy lynch below a certain activity level? Y/N? If we decide to do it, we can work out from there what kind of limits to set on lurker lynches/day and what the threshold is. I'd personally vote for no more than one lurker lynch a day, for fear of the hazards.On a related topic, do we want to set a limit in general for lynches per day? I would presume one a day is safe, but what about two or three? Personally I think I'm fine sticking to one a day unless we have pretty good evidence against multiple players, or decide to policy lynch a lurker a day in addition to a normal lynch or something of that sort. That way we will maximize the time we have to discuss things, presumably improving our odds of catching scum. I'm obviously open to hearing arguments for more though, although I'd be cautious about going too high... The Importance of Being When it comes to blues...we don't know what, if any, blues we have, so I don't see much useful discussion here. I hope they use their abilities to help the town as best they can, but other than that I don't care much about them. I guess if they find a scum, preferably try to get them lynched through town influence and making a good case against them, rather than by role claiming. Or if they find a town, try to dissuade the lynch without claiming if they come under fire. Not sure what else there is to be said here. | ||
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On November 15 2011 13:45 Hiroruby wrote: Thanks, I'll do my best! I too am a townie, kind of glad since I don't have to figure out how to use special abilities and such. Be careful you fools! From the OP: Furthermore, there may be dangers in store for town players who claim their role. | ||
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Lying will come up and you will be able to recognize it. The most prominent example is fake claims. So LAL means no fake claims. Barring verifiable actions, we'll only be able to analyze whether or not we think they are lying, not whether or not they are. Somebody flipping doctor upon death won't mean that another person that claimed doctor is lying. *cough Team Melee Mafia cough* If we can do enough analysis to determine somebody is fake-claiming, I'd presume we'd be able to analyze either why they fake claimed, or whether they have been furthering scum goals or town goals, and then lynch or not based on that, rather than just policy lynching for what we think might be a fake claim. But, I guess we'll cross that bridge if we come to it. I'd still like to hear thoughts on lynches/day and if we want to have any anti-lurking policy. | ||
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On November 16 2011 10:36 bumatlarge wrote:If there wasn't a majority lynch in play, I'd put my vote on everyone, and start taking off people who don't register as scum. That's about how many people I think should be lynched each day. While I appreciate your enthusiasm for scum hunting and encouraging players to contribute their part to the town discussion, I'm worried the approach you're advocating is a bit reckless. First of all, there are these bits to worry about: It is possible that some role abilities are tied to the votes that are cast, so be mindful as to how you exercise your vote. There are hazards in store for the town that lynches too many players in a particular day. And then there is just the matter of mislynching too much and shortening the amount of time we have to find scum and connections between players.We have longer days while more people are alive, which means more time to discuss things and try to find scum. I'm ok with a couple lynches a day, and obviously if we somehow have more than 2 confirmed scum on a day I would be fine with that as well, but I don't see a need to be so hasty just because we can. I believe it was mentioned previously, but if we think a group of players is linked...why lynch them all at once? Lynch one, see what they flip, if they flip red, hang the rest the next day, if they flip green, we avoid making a group of mislynches. Overall though I just don't see a reason to cut ourselves short on time so much. I think scum would love it if we ended up going crazy and lynching enough people to make this our only 72 hour day. On policy lynching lurkers: I certainly dislike having to deal with them later in the game, so I would be ok with lynching a few of them, although no more than one per day, and probably ceasing to do so within a few days. This has the benefits of: 1) Possibly lynching scum 2) Encouraging a higher activity level, thereby making it easier to find scum 3) Getting rid of easy scapegoats for scum | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 16 2011 05:13 Drazerk wrote: ##Vote: Sabin010 Bad vibes also this - On November 16 2011 09:06 Drazerk wrote: Your not going to lurk the first day, come out of no where and then vote chaoser without reason. FoS sinani206 And his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=107918 @Kenpachi You seem to be following the thread, are you planning to make any contributions at some point? I don't see how posting random one-liners is going to get us anywhere. Please either start contributing, or can the one-liners and just get mod-killed for inactivity. @risk.nuke Last game I played with you you were extremely aggressive early on. This game you haven't attacked anyone yet, or even directly addressed someone. Any particular reason why you were active and aggressive last time, and are thus far being passive this game? | ||
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On November 16 2011 16:39 prplhz wrote: Rofl so you want to lynch people who has homework based on the fact that scum also has homework? ...I'm confused. You claim it will make all the scum active and force them to participate, yet you are against it? I'll trade 2 or 3 of our 21 townies for a much more positive town atmosphere with more quality contributions and improved odds of catching and linking scum due to forced activity. I'm going to have to side with cyber here, your arguments against lynching lurkers don't seem to be making much sense. | ||
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As I mentioned in an earlier post of mine, risk.nuke: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=76576 And then we have hyshes: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=132738 As mentioned above, there is also Coagulation. I may very well be missing some, but hyshes and risk stood out to me since I played with them in my previous game. If we want to include people with more posts that are just all useless...well then the list becomes much longer :-) | ||
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On November 16 2011 17:35 wherebugsgo wrote: we can expect hyshes to lurk, that says nothing about his alignment. Risk lurks pretty heavily too (in XLV he had like 2 posts per day) I have no idea how Coag plays, but he's a well=known name around here. At this moment in time we should be pressuring lurkers into responding but there's not a huge point in focusing on them. Many players like kenpachi routinely lurk day 1 and there's almost nothing you can do to change that other than simply killing them. Of course, that's not feasible since trying to lynch 5-6 people would be really bad. Risk lurks heavily? Interesting. In my game with him he got shot night one, and before dying managed to make in excess of 15 posts, including some very large analysis ones. | ||
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That being said, I am going to vote for Drazerk. I said if he didn't give a good reason for his vote I'd be voting for him, and I intend to follow through on that. He seems to like trumpeting the fact that he has generally sucked as town, and overall I think his contributions have not exactly been helping to create a good town atmosphere. His repeated mentions of how much he has screwed up as town in the past combined with his plethora of 1 liners and votes with little reason behind them makes it seem like he is trying to play anti-town and get away with it because it's just his meta. Vote: Drazerk Now I'm going to reread the thread some and see if there is someone else I'd like to place a vote on as well. | ||
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On November 17 2011 07:27 GreYMisT wrote: HoD your vote is formated incorrectly, you forgot the ##. yea Lemon thats the view I hold now, but im going to wait until lanaia gets back and can explain his behavior further before I decide wether or not to unvote him. Also Drazek/Chaoser, I was Doctor Whooves in MLP mafia, and the only time i got a red check he died that night. Oh shit, totally didn't realize I forgot that part. Thanks for pointing that out. ##Vote: Drazerk | ||
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On November 16 2011 05:21 Hiroruby wrote: That appears to be a very blatant lie. Looking at it, I can really see nothing that can redeem this. LaL. ##Vote: Sabin010 On November 16 2011 05:21 Hiroruby wrote: Does bolding matter when you vote? And I know not to Edit in if I do need to change. On November 17 2011 03:45 Zona wrote: Uh guys...check the 5th post. That's where votecounts will appear. To clarify things: Votes within quotes are not counted. Votes not in bold are not counted. Right now votes in spoilers ARE counted - but that is NOT intended and will be changed so that they will not be counted. (It doesn't look like anyone has placed a vote in a spoiler so far.) Votes with and without colons are both counted. Since somebody kindly pointed out my mistake in voting, I'll return the favor :-P Your vote didn't count, if you want it to count you will need to state it again and bold it. | ||
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On November 17 2011 07:44 Zephirdd wrote: at any point? Wouldn't it be 14 by the end of the day-cycle(ie. 18-Nov 11:00 KST)? No. This game uses a Majority Multi-Lynch system. During the day, any player may vote for as many other players as he or she wishes. If at any point during the day over half of players alive are voting for a particular player, that player will be condemned to the lynch and will die at the end of that day. | ||
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On November 17 2011 08:55 Nisani201 wrote: Just read through the thread. A lot of shit is going down. But most of it is irrelevant. Kenpachi is not irrelevant. He should die. ##Vote: Kenpachi Vote #13 | ||
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I'm going to keep a vote on Chaoser, it'll take something short of a miracle to convince me that random voting wasn't just him putting suspicion everywhere and muddying the waters to make the place more anti-town. You've voted for 5 different people so far, and are still voting for 3 of them. Palmar is voting for 5 people currently. Chaoser has voted for 5 different people so far, and is still voting for 4 of them. The only difference I see is that you and Palmar are mostly on the bandwagons while Chaoser's votes are more fringe votes. However, you were also the first and only vote to go on prplhz and the second vote, after only Palmar, to vote on Coag, so even you have cast some votes to the fringe. Why is his voting muddying the waters, and your's and Palmar's not? | ||
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On November 17 2011 09:53 chaoser wrote: Let's bet. If I'm vanilla townie you have to sing me a song and post it in the forum. If I'm not I'll do it. Want to take it? - Do not make promises or bets that extend beyond the scope of the game. | ||
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On November 17 2011 09:55 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: - Do not make promises or bets that extend beyond the scope of the game. EBWOP: ninja'd by chaoser already | ||
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On November 17 2011 10:12 Lemonwalrus wrote: Look at the last few pages for the reasoning, bumatlarge was a major point of discussion in most of my recent posts. This will at least put pressure on him to post. And even in the 'reasoning please?' post I go on to say that I've been thinking about voting that way for a while now. ...I just looked, I'm not seeing it. Quote it please? | ||
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On November 17 2011 10:20 Palmar wrote: I'm rolefishing you. Thing is, I think you happen to have one of those roles mentioned by Zona that are somehow connected with how votes are casted, I think that would actually explain your liberal voting early on. This is the reason I believe you're lying about being vanilla townie, but since you claimed that and stand by it, it's making me believe you're scum. Because you're not bad at mafia, you know that senseless throwing votes around is generally not a good strategy, you are probably fully aware of this. This is why I wanted so badly for you to explain your rash voting pattern this game. Like, I'm trying in my mind to put together your play and just a random vanilla town. And I'm sorry to say I can't actually find any reasonable explanation to your early voting that stems from just you reading the thread with a townie mindset. Alright, so I just can't wrap my head around this. Palmar thinks Chaoser is a scum power role related to voting...and then he spends most of the day with his vote on 5 different people? Palmar, I would be quite interested in hearing how your votes made sense along with your worries about Chaoser's role. Chaoser To whoever it was that asked what everyone's current position on the Chaoser case is...I think he looks more like a town that was trying to aggressively force reactions early than scum trying to disrupt the thread. Also, to Cyber, Palmar, and WBG, you seem to all be pushing the Chaoser lynch pretty hard and have been for awhile. Now, if you assume he is scum and that no scum will vote for him, that means the 3 of you have convinced only 2 of the remaining 18 townies. I'd suggest either trying to put together a better/more coherent argument, or allow us to look at some of the other current vote getters rather than hammering the same points that don't seem to be convincing much of anyone. Drazerk That being said, I'd like Drazerk to be lynched today. A quick look at his filter should make it apparent why. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=107918 His best defense seems to be that he plays anti-town whether or not he is actually scum...which I don't see how that is a defense at all. He also seems to be claiming lynch proof, and I am certainly willing to test that claim. Unlike you I will never be lynched though Probably because I am not scum and will never be lynched even if they try LSB It has been mentioned a few times, but I think LSB also deserves a closer look and some more pressure. He starts off making tons of policy related posts, especially about going after lurkers, and then has two short non-policy posts: + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2011 12:45 LSB wrote: You are saying that Chaoser is scum because he doesn't tunnel and doesn't play like you? hmm... Wait, what's so bad about this attack http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366¤tpage=18#348? Or the other attacks, I'm having difficulty following your generalizations right now On November 17 2011 13:54 LSB wrote: Sorry guys I'm sick and sleep deprived and I have so much to do. But a quick glance through. Before we lynch Lanaia, we should at least see how Kenpachi fllps. A lot of analysis has been "Kenpachi is scum so Lanaia is scum", yet we don't know 100% if Kenpachi is scum ##Vote: sinani206 Since in reality he hasn't said anything besides "xxx is obvscum" ##Vote: LSB I am also fine with sinani206 getting lynched and would be willing to vote him if it is deemed necessary, but I'd rather have Drazerk lynched today, and I don't really want to mess around with placing tons of votes or having tons of lynches, so I will not vote him for now. | ||
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On November 18 2011 07:03 DCLXVI wrote: well I think that I will know a lot about chaoser when you flip Chaoser defended Kenpachi, Kenpachi did not defend Chaoser. Either town or scum could defend Kenpachi. Scum defending a town they think will get lynched anyway is a way to try to gain free town cred. If they don't get lynched, you can always have a scum-buddy bring them up later to divert attention if needed, as people were suspicious before, and likely still are. A townie could just think that lynching him was a poor idea because they didn't read them as being scum. I don't see how you will gain any knowledge of Chaoser from Kenpachi's flip. Care to elaborate? | ||
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On November 18 2011 07:09 sinani206 wrote: LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaL Do you know the full extent/limitations of Lanaia's role? How did she full role claim by anti-voting Kenpachi? We still don't know if she can double vote, how many times it can be used, etc etc. | ||
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On November 18 2011 07:16 sinani206 wrote: neither defended each other Yawn, if you guys really think kenpachi is a better lynch than sinani in regards to people trolling/lurking in the game then that's just sad. I don't mind getting lynched, but I'd rather kenpachi doesn't. So please explain how that isn't Chaoser defending Kenpachi. If it is him defending Kenpachi, should you be lynched under LaL? | ||
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On November 18 2011 08:03 Palmar wrote: Insanity laughs under pressure we're cracking Can't we give ourselves one more chance Why can't we give love that one more chance Why can't we give love give love give love give love give love give love give love give love give love 'Cause love's such an old fashioned word And love dares you to care for The people on the edge of the night And loves dares you to change our way of Caring about ourselves This is our last dance This is our last dance This is ourselves Under pressure ##Vote Bumatlarge ##Vote Nisani201 ##Vote chaoser ##Vote Lemonwalrus ##Unvote Drazerk ##Unvote Coagulation Is concerned Chaoser has a vote-triggered ability. Votes for more people than anyone else. Makes perfect sense. | ||
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On November 18 2011 08:10 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Is concerned Chaoser has a vote-triggered ability. Votes for more people than anyone else. Makes perfect sense. EBWOP: Alright, so now Forumite has passed you in voting. You're only second. Same difference. | ||
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On November 18 2011 08:24 hyshes wrote: Ok, as so many people have suggested.. i've filtered drzazerk. Where do you guys get that Drazerk is claiming a lynchproof role?... Drazerk is saying he won't be lynched that doesn't state that he is unlynchable in which he would of just said he can't be lynched. I don't see him being as a power role just being an arogant dick http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366¤tpage=45#899 That one as well. | ||
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On November 18 2011 08:29 wherebugsgo wrote: Drazerk will make a better lynch tomorrow, once we see these flips. Today, chaoser, nisani, and bum need to die. If any of those flip town then we need to heavily reconsider Drazerk+Coag. So you think we should lynch 4 people today, given that Kenpachi was already lynched? | ||
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I am also fine with sinani206 getting lynched and would be willing to vote him if it is deemed necessary, but I'd rather have Drazerk lynched today, and I don't really want to mess around with placing tons of votes or having tons of lynches, so I will not vote him for now. ##Unvote: LSB ##Vote: sinani206 | ||
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I still don't like Drazerk, and he seems dead-set on convincing us he will be useless whether he is town or scum. Not sure how much effort should be spent on him, but I'd like him to end up dead sooner rather than later. I also don't like the looks of LSB too much, but he is currently exceeding 24 hours without posting, so I don't see the point of pursuing something there unless he comes back before getting mod-killed. Regarding Nisani, this is the only post of his I really dislike: Just read through the thread. A lot of shit is going down. Other than that I don't see anything that makes me want to get my pitchfork out.But most of it is irrelevant. Kenpachi is not irrelevant. He should die. ##Vote: Kenpachi I am undecided on WBG, Chaoser, and Palmar as of right now, but would not be surprised if one of the three is scum. However, I would be surprised if more than one of them is. | ||
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Palmar, WBG, and Chaoser: Please stop shitting all over the thread with your shouting matches. | ||
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On November 19 2011 00:33 xsksc wrote: The reason HoD is on my town list is because he voted drazerk before most people. I'm reasonably confident that drazerk is scum, which would make HoD almost confirmed townie to me. And yeah the prphlz thing is really just a feeling at the moment, I don't have anything solid on him. While I am flattered you're so sure of me, don't be that trusting so easily. We don't even know Drazerk's alignment for sure yet. For all you know I could be scum that found an easy wagon and hopped on early. | ||
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On November 19 2011 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote: no, actually, I'm just tired of dealing with you right now. And tbh in TMM why do you think I pushed sandro's lynch over yours when I saw you suspected him? He was a much bigger threat than you, because you were dumb and thought he was scum. I knew I could get a mislynch on one of you but I had to play correctly in order to do it. Once I found out you were the doctor I continued my push but switched to sandro because I knew you were dumb enough to follow me. Right. At no point did what you say have actual relevance to the game at hand. Of course it was. If you actually think chaoser is pushing a good case then you should ask yourself why he voted sinani. Did chaoser analyze sinani like Palmar and I did? Nope. Did chaoser provide reasons for his votes like Palmar and I did? Nope. So what are you arguing again? That Palmar didn't analyze Drazerk? Stop being thick. If this isn't reasoning, I don't know what is: You don't need to break down a person quote by quote to call it analysis. This is why I want people to read the thread, because it is clear by some of your responses that you are not doing so. And yet, oddly enough, Palmar took his vote off Drazerk. | ||
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On November 19 2011 06:58 wherebugsgo wrote: yes, and so did I, because at the end of the day we were not sure if Drazerk was scum based on his behavior. Good god are you not reading? Drazerk makes a good vig shot because his style of play is useless to either alignment. He's scummy because of the things he's done, but he very well could be town because this is how he plays. That's why a lynch on him is a bad idea. Yesterday people I thought were scum were voting Drazerk, so I unvoted Drazerk because that's a suggestion he's not scum. Palmar did the same, he seemed to agree with me. Despite Drazerk not being the best lynch yesterday, he is still a good vig target because his behavior is unlikely to deviate from that of scummy townie/bad scum. ...This isn't a normal game where we only get 1 lynch a day. If it is good to have someone dead, and getting them lynched won't distract the thread too much, why not do it? 2 more votes on Drazerk a bit earlier could have led to him getting lynched instead of Sinani. If he was sitting at 12 near the end of the day along with Sinani, it easily could have been 2 people voting him instead of Sinani. | ||
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On November 19 2011 07:09 wherebugsgo wrote: So we should kill everyone indiscriminately then? Come on, THINK about what you are saying. Drazerk did not make a good lynch because the players we thought were scum were voting him. We don't know what the consequences are of lynching too many people at once. We don't even know what the number "too many" is. Secondly, think about what distinguishes a vig shot from a lynch. A player like Nisani or Drazerk is best left to a vig shot because they will not contribute much if they are town and we try to lynch them. Just look at Drazerk, he did nothing despite being so close to being lynched. In that case, it's best we focus our lynch powers on other people and have the vigges decide who to kill at night. We cannot control who the vigilantes shoot, but we can tell them who are decent bets. If we have multiple vigilantes we can't have them all shoot the same person. Thus, we provide them multiple targets to choose from. The best vig target right now is Nisani. Second and third would probably be Drazerk and prpl, or perhaps even chaoser since it is apparent he will not do anything but destroy this thread. You on more than one occasion supported lynching 3 people in one day. Don't use that as your excuse. We lynch at least two people today, preferably three. We can potentially lynch 3 if we're confident today but I think a double lynch would be best. After Kenpachi was lynched, apparently advocating for 4:Today, chaoser, nisani, and bum need to die. | ||
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On November 19 2011 13:18 Coagulation wrote: I would start looking at people who voted him.. Anyone wanna counter claim? if not this Sounds legit. I would also like to make a public request that day two we dont shit up the thread with trivial bullshit and egotistical fuckery. ...Counterclaim what? We don't know scum KP. | ||
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On November 19 2011 14:03 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Interesting that you say that. Since I question your post As someone who played in Ace's Toy Factory Mafia With 20 players, 4 mafia 1 KP, I am surprised you can't see the parallels to this game and why the mafia KP could very easily be low in the 1-2 range. We have the potential to lynch as many people as we want each day. I'm also wondering if the mafia KP is in some way linked to the number of lynches. Might make sense with the warning against lynching too many in one day. | ||
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He ended yesterday with a single vote on him and is already managing 8 (or more? not sure when last zbot update was). That seems a bit fishy to me. @Forumite LSB is not going to be replaced due to inactivity. Expecting your read on him, preferably after the daypost. Given what the daypost contained, I can't help but ask...why did you want me to post my read on him after the daypost rather than before?I mentioned before I didn't like what I saw, and I still don't, so leaving a vote on Lemonwalrus for now. ##Vote: Lemonwalrus Time to go pass out. | ||
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On November 20 2011 14:41 prplhz wrote: So you used a technique for finding scum that last time you tried it drew out an accusation from a town member? -_-After that I started posting one liners in caps. There was not a single one of these one liners I didn't mean. I wrote in caps one liners because I wanted people to know my opinion but I didn't want any mafia to take me too seriously. I did a somewhat comparable thing in TMMM when I posted without punctuation and it goaded GMarshal into making a terrible case on me. What I said actually made sense, he just jumped me because he didn't like the form. Townies shouldn't do this, they should read the thread and not just say "lol caps = scum". (yes, I was lynched in TMMM day1 but that was because neither me nor my team mate was around in the last 8 hours and town decided to jump on us in the last minute when we couldn't even defend ourselves). | ||
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On November 18 2011 07:03 DCLXVI wrote: Which he never explained nor has he said what his opinion is on Chaoser since then.well I think that I will know a lot about chaoser when you flip He mentions he wants to wait until he can vote to start discussing...and still has yet to vote. On November 19 2011 04:19 DCLXVI wrote: I would rather wait until morning to start discussing again so I can start throwing down votes, I trust the remaining blues to use their roles wisely. On November 20 2011 04:04 DCLXVI wrote:I won't cast any votes now, later in the day I will. And overall he has had a number of long posts, but many of them don't actually take a position. In fact, he doesn't seem to have had a solid stance on declaring someone scummy or not since day 1 ended. I'm going to go read up on WBG in regard to Drazerk, not sure about that. That last part is scummy, however the rest of it is not enough to warrant a lynch just yet. Either I can believe that he did not have time for long posts or he wanted sinani dead, I have not made up my mind. Still, I am through with voting bad townies, so I do not think sabino or kibibit should go today. They are too hard to read given their lack of posts and I think we can find better targets today. And no, he did not list who any of those better targets might be.While thoughtful consideration is good, doing nothing but giving non-committal statements is rather scummy. ##Vote: DCLXVI | ||
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On November 21 2011 15:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: ##Vote: Palmar ##Vote: Kenpachi ##Vote: Coagulation These 3 are scummy as fuck based off the posts I have read from each of them. ...I regret to inform you Kenpachi has already been lynched and flipped town watchful doctor... | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 21 2011 14:45 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: I'm going to go ahead vote DCLXVI. His first couple posts struck me as empty sounding/scummy. Since then some of his posting has included: Which he never explained nor has he said what his opinion is on Chaoser since then. He mentions he wants to wait until he can vote to start discussing...and still has yet to vote. And overall he has had a number of long posts, but many of them don't actually take a position. In fact, he doesn't seem to have had a solid stance on declaring someone scummy or not since day 1 ended. And no, he did not list who any of those better targets might be. While thoughtful consideration is good, doing nothing but giving non-committal statements is rather scummy. ##Vote: DCLXVI He later comes into the thread and posts this: On November 22 2011 02:18 DCLXVI wrote: Completely ignoring anything I said about him, although he does finally take some form of a stand. Now we have him visiting Tyrran as well? I don't want to try to pull off a rushed lynch on him, but he has a lot to answer for when day 3 starts. (No sense for him to roleclaim during the night, obviously)I do not think you are mafia prplhz. Though I do think Palmar wants to see you flip town so he looks better. ##Vote Palmar ##Vote Nisani201 I would like to see both die tonight, but i highly doubt palmar will get lynched. I don't believe his claim of being protected, nor do I like the way he argues. His argument on chaoser was forced imo, and he tries too hard to lead the town. I would write about nisani, but it would just be parroting wbg. Go read wbg's case on him, I agree with most of what he says in regards to nisani except the defending chaoser bit. | ||
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If a player is shot but medic protected, does the player that was shot get informed, is the medic informed, or are both of them informed? The OP specifies that people with multiple night-lives will be informed when they are shot, but seems unclear on whether or not that includes medic-protects. about it as soon as Palmar claimed he was hit and got this answer back:The information in the OP is the only public information that is available with regards with what you're asking. @Tyrran I have NOT taken any hits last night ( to be more precise, i did not receive any PM). This means I have probably been rolechecked. I'm not sure that roleblock count as a visit (locking the cabin see Sinani206 role description), so it is also possible that i've been framed. From the OP regarding if roleblocks generate visits and whatnot:Any ability that requires a player to pick (a) target(s) at night, including the mafia night kill(s), will generate a visit that watcher or tracker abilities can detect, unless the ability explicitly states otherwise. Roleblock would generate a visit. | ||
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On November 22 2011 09:07 Palmar wrote: I don't think we have 3 medics. I don't think you actually cared when you voted both me and nisani201 in one post, despite him having just posted an analysis against me. I think you're scum. You have contributed very little to the game, you have posted a ton of fluff cases that look like contributions, yet you have never actively pushed your reads. You just write a cute analysis (look at your kibibit case day 1, does anyone actually remember that?) Here's his filter, it's only 1 page, and on it there is nothing that makes me think he's town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=51709 ##Vote DCLXVI ...you're already voting him | ||
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On November 22 2011 09:09 Forumite wrote: We know you couldn´t have protected Palmar if you visited Tyrran. The fact that you confirm that you visited Tyrran suggest that prplhz is either a Scum watcher, or is telling the truth. Fuck. We have no confirmation that Palmar actually took a hit, nor that anyone protected him. We simply have Palmar's claim that he was hit. | ||
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On November 22 2011 09:00 DCLXVI wrote: I can confirm that I did visit tyrran last night, I wish you had roleclaimed that earlier prplhz. For what its worth I did not protect Palmar last night, leading me to doubt his claim @harbringer lots of things change when people flip, and i've been sick the past few days, so I have not put nearly as much effort in this game-day. Bolded the relevant part. | ||
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On November 22 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote: also I don't think any competent medic would ever protect prpl, so him actually truly claiming medic is thrown out the window. DCLXVI should die. He said he visited Tyrran, not prpl. | ||
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On November 22 2011 09:37 Lanaia wrote: I HAVE AN IDEA. First to reread my role PM. And that wasn't helpful. STOP THE PRESSES I need to do something. I might be able to save him. How much time do we have left? I like MrZentor, btw. He hit 12 votes, I don't see how an anti-vote could save him if that's what you're thinking. He is already listed as lynched. I believe we have until 11:00 KST | ||
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On November 23 2011 04:44 Lanaia wrote: It's not that. I'm not worried about myself. I'm worried about others. Then find scum and push cases against them. *smokey the bear voice* Only YOU can stop scum from killing | ||
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The longer the game went on, the more obvious it became that Greymist was scum...no idea how you didn't get lynched on the last day. I think everyone that listed a scum team in the dead player QT listed him as scum. Also, no idea why DCLXVI got lynched, just because of the miller thing. Two scum visiting Tyrran night 1 just makes no sense, and they had the guilty check on cyber. Additionally, lemon really needed to rolecheck either DCLXVI (to clear him 100%) or Zephirdd (to see if he was lying scum) on the night he checked WBG. Lynch Greymist + either of those happening = town win As for Zephirdd, I noticed his posts were either a bit timid/newbish or a bit scummy early on, but decided on newbish, wrong call. T_T gg mafia, although I think town did all the hard work for you :-D | ||
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On November 30 2011 13:18 wherebugsgo wrote: lol you can't say that when you were scum. On November 18 2011 16:03 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Regarding Nisani, this is the only post of his I really dislike: Other than that I don't see anything that makes me want to get my pitchfork out. | ||
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On December 01 2011 05:06 wherebugsgo wrote: lol chaoser this is almost not worth responding to. You know very well that you were in the wrong day 1, Palmar and I are not so stupid as to both find you suspicious just because we're both idiots. We have similar playstyles, but we're not that stupid. You play anti-town, you get lynched. There's a reason neither Palmar nor I ever faced serious threat of lynch, while you did. Bum didn't play particularly anti-town either, he was just lazy. That's why he was never in threat of being lynched either. Fun fact, Palmar had more town votes on him than Chaoser did at the end of day 1 and at the end of day 2. But how about we stop finger pointing and name-calling and each person just accepts the loss as their own fault and focuses on improving their own play? Sound good? Sounds good. | ||
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On December 01 2011 05:39 Palmar wrote: And yeah, I'll take full responsibility now that I read the OP and see there is a warning against claiming. I still think it's a retarded game mechanic, but it's my fault not reading that carefully enough. Massclaiming should be a viable tactic for town. I think it's almost always bad to do it anyway. On November 15 2011 14:22 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Be careful you fools! From the OP: From day posts: "Hey, there's no giant obvious hole in this one." "There's no pulse though, he's dead." "Look here, there's a tiny puncture mark in his chest." "There's another one here, behind his knees." "What the hell? These are strange and difficult places to attack...unless the killer already knew what kind of person he was after." "Hmm, not a flesh burner this time. But those strange tiny punctures again, in odd places." "Hey, there's a tiny thing here on the ground. Something spring-loaded?" "Oh, I understand - someone placed it here and simply waited for the guy to trigger them." "That sounds so unreliable though, how would this 'someone' make sure that our victim would trigger these...things?" "I don't know. Well, it seems this unlucky bloke was named hyshes, and he also had a medical appointment, like that Drazerk guy." "Oh, I understand now. See this wound on his hand? It was placed deliberately to target a doctor. If this xsksc fellow didn't behave like a doctor or have their habits, it probably wouldn't have hit him at all." After Coag died I was also the one to pick up on the smoke bomb usage (I was already dead though), am I the only one that reads the "flavor" text? :-P | ||
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On December 01 2011 06:23 GreYMisT wrote: Dayposts really arn't "outside factors" though, are they? plus i think the OP was specific enough about the dangers invovled, the daypost should make us the mafia more angry if anything, because it gave you guys info about our roles. I still can't comprehend how you didn't get lynched on one of the final 2 days. | ||
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I might have complained about the smoke-bomb and possibly Coag's role in general if they didn't use it in a useless manner thanks to Coag's inactivity. He used 0 anonymous votes, and the smoke-bomb changed nothing on the day 2 lynch. The smoke-bomb was definitely an incredibly powerful tool for scum...they just didn't need it this time. | ||
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On December 01 2011 12:29 wherebugsgo wrote: Multi-lynch doesn't function the same way a vig does. In fact, it's much harder to get multi-lynch to work the way you want it to than a vig. Lynch methods are highly manipulable by scum. No offense to the scumteam, but with this town if any of you actually played aggressive scum you would've managed to lynch 3-4 townies everyday and would've been able to win even faster. Multilynch is good if the town is competent. A vig can compensate for chaos and stupid townies. Multilynch can't. In fact, the dumber the town, the more mafia-favored multilynch is. EDIT: I would've loved this setup as scum. However it would've felt unfair lol. I have a challenge for you; try to make it through a game without calling someone any version of incompetent, dumb, bad, idiotic, useless, etc. Post-game included. | ||
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Player list: GreYMisT, the Mafia Role Multi-Sniper, survives and wins Zephirdd, the Mafia BlackJack, survives and wins The Dead: Kenpachi, the Town Newbie Watchful Doc, lynched Day 1 sinani206, the Town Roleblocker, lynched Day 1 LSB, the Town Vanilla, killed Night 1 prplhz, the Town Corpse Jack, lynched Day 2 HarbingerOfDoom, the Town Vanilla, killed Night 2 risk.nuke, the Town Vanilla, killed Night 2 Drazerk, the Town Frail Mason, killed Night 2 Nisani201, the Town Vanilla, lynched Day 3 Forumite, the Town Vanilla, lynched Day 3 chaoser replaced by MrZentor, the Town Vanilla, lynched Day 3 Kibibit, the Town Tracker, modkilled Day 3 Coagulation, the Mafia Magician, modkilled Day 3 wherebugsgo, the Town Vanilla, killed Night 3 Hiroruby replaced by RebirthOfLeGenD, the Town Vanilla, killed Night 3 hyshes, the Town Frail Mason, killed Night 3 xsksc, the Town Frantic Doc, killed Night 3 DCLXVI, the Town Miller Bodyguard, lynched Day 4 Cyber_Cheese, the Mafia Tracker, lynched Day 4 Sabin010, the Mafia Goon, modkilled Day 4 Lanaia, the Town Elder, killed Night 4 Lemonwalrus, the Town Rolecop, killed Night 4 Palmar, the Town Records Cop, killed Night 4 Tyrran, the Town Vanilla, killed Night 4 bumatlarge, the Town Vanilla, killed in the endgame | ||
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