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I don't know Kenpachi (or Ace either for that matter) so honestly I can't say anything there either. I'll come back in an hour or two after I've gathered my thoughts on these three (I guess just jcarl/Ace cause kenpachi has like no content whatsoever) If kenpachi is town and trolling, then derp. I despise lurkers. | ||
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On September 06 2011 07:46 bumatlarge wrote: Explain this, there was 3 votes on me, I don't see how this confirms a roleblocker in the game. ON had 4 people, I had 3 people and redff had three people. There is no roleblocker, so do not use it in your explanations on how you sinani and redff aren't scum. 1 shot was used I'm convinced. Don't even try to say that you as mafia would not resort to this so you can ride yourself to victory because town will buy whatever claim that comes out of your mouth. ON died and red died. If there's no roleblocker then surely you are suggesting that you, ON or Ace is pious? That's the only explanation, and I don't really buy into that, since not one of you has actually played like a townie. On September 06 2011 07:46 bumatlarge wrote: I think this is very big WIFOM. We can assume scum can opt not to shoot a bullet or hit someone twice. Completely disregarding that possibility confirms to me that you have something to hide. What? In this double lynch, no flip setup it doesn't make sense for mafia to withhold KP early. They get a huge advantage in voting leverage by eliminating as many townies as possible, as fast as possible. If they want to bandwagon someone, they can, and the chance of them getting a lynch off on that person is really really good. Anyway, I'm going to humor the thought here for a bit that bum is actually town. Bum, who do you suggest we lynch with our second lynch? Clearly I know you think sandroba is the best lynch today, but we have a double lynch system. Who's your next choice? Moving on... On jcarl: I don't think he's mafia. The way he says things and puts forth his posts suggests to me a town-aligned agenda. For example, I don't think a mafia member would respond to Palmar in a manner like this: On September 02 2011 01:32 jcarlsoniv wrote: I want to know your motives. You're correct in not wanting to lynch me anymore, but I want to know why you changed your mind. The reasons behind peoples' actions are how you figure them out. He also appeared to be actively watching out for behavior from several players, including some players that were difficult to read on day 1. Case in point, OriginalName: On September 03 2011 04:03 jcarlsoniv wrote: sigh...I really wish people would read the thread... Quoted this half a page up, but apparently I need to quote it for everyone. On September 03 2011 05:11 jcarlsoniv wrote: What would you like us to note about that? And of course ON established himself as scum by not responding to any of the queries, not from jcarl nor from anyone else (including multiple from me) IMO jcarl is town. Kenpachi is weird because he's done nothing but lurk. In fact, since his first post he's basically had no other intention. On September 01 2011 17:54 Kenpachi wrote: ok sorry guys. i had to sleep early to wake up early but i never slept so i never woke up. Its the morning and im tired but who cares (ps. happy birthday ON, wasnt able to tell you on LoL) Im a townie and im sad because im not an awesome role that is the priest or the necromancer in an epic setup like this. le sigh my gut feeling is telling me that if varp is scum, his team doesnt consist of me I would also like a summary of these following players: Sknowman Wherebugsgo jcarlsoniv i dont know who these guys are and i would like to know if they are fellow lurkers or not. I want to say varpulis is scummy but i have seen too many useless introductory posts that i dont know anymore. Aside from that i want to bring your attention to this: Red was pretty senseless in posting this. Instead of atleast justifying or defending himself, he asks what does not need to be asked. fos redff He opens with something about wanting to know whether the three of us unknown to kenpachi players are "fellow lurkers." First of all, kenpachi, screw you for lurking. Second, if it's actually your meta to lurk, then screw you again. Lastly, screw you for making it difficult to read whether you're part of mafia or not by being a lurker. Finally, I thought this was interesting (well, let's be honest, kenpachi pretty much posted nothing else) On September 04 2011 06:11 Kenpachi wrote: dunno man, i want to get rid of all 3 of the major lynches right now. i'll decide tmrw. at the end of the day i can see Mafia using their KP on RedFF and Palmar. I will propose to you all to NOT revive Red immediately. Lets revive him later on or force Mafia to revive someone who is valuable to town. Another reason is Mafia's 3rd KP comes from the minion which acts as a free ressurection on blues. Think about it, the longer Red is dead, the more people die and when we really need him, we revive him and check everyone who died (assuming thats how his role works) Both redFF and Palmar died. The thing that interests me is not his idea (which was stupid because he obviously didn't read the OP) nor his interest in getting rid of "all 3 of the major lynches right now" (there were only 2 lol) but rather the fact that he thought red and Palmar would be mafia targets. He was right, but why or how? Palmar really didn't do anything, he was rather inactive. He's a good scumhunter, but Palmar did nothing to suggest that he would be a mafia target yesterday. Is the scumteam creating WIFOM here with respect to kenpachi? At any rate, I'm okay with lynching kenpachi because I despise lurkers, but I think it's better to stick with Ace/bum. If anyone can provide concrete, objective reasons why we should prefer someone else over Ace, I'd be willing to listen, but I kinda doubt that Ace is third party/village idiot. Ace wants to be unreadable right now, I say we just take the risk and lynch him. If he's town, he's useless, if he's mafia, he's dead, and if he's third party...well, whatever. | ||
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On September 06 2011 08:26 Jackal58 wrote: I'm not worried about a mislynch. I'm worried about something nasty happening to us when we do lynch him. Ace's scum play is not this transparent. Your zeal bothers me. Step back and rethink your position. This is not a normal setup. Lynching Ace is a scary proposition in my opinion. If Day vig is in this game shoot Ace now. Please. If we had a dayvig it was probably varpulis or sknowman. I don't think there's any way we can deal with Ace other than lynching him. | ||
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On September 06 2011 08:58 Ace wrote: Gee, I wonder why. Pull your head out of your ass and think about it. Oh please enlighten me, almighty Ace. + Show Spoiler + I mean noob BTW I think this last post kinda rules out Ace being third party, just sayin'. | ||
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On September 06 2011 08:58 Ace wrote: If ON is truly Scum then how does that implicate bumatlarge and myself? Explain where we are linked together. Prove it instead of just hiding behind speculation. First of all, Ace, your entire post reeks of a logical fallacy known as an argument from ignorance. I expected better from you. If you're going to insult us and try to convince us of your argument, you might as well refrain from using logical fallacies and blatant propaganda techniques. The aim of this game is to convince people, but you're not gonna be believable when you're dishonest about it, which is why, to me, you're scum. Second, you and bum are implicated with ON in the case that ON is mafia because all three of you voted redFF yesterday, AND you two are the only ones going after sandroba. There's no random implication here, and you're not vastly better than us. Either you are such a brilliant mafia player (and so is sandroba) that none of the rest of us can see how sandroba is mafia (well, other than bum) or you're full of shit. Judging from your incessant need to troll, insult, and use logical fallacies in order to appear influential and/or important, I think the latter is far more likely. For this reason, you need to be lynched today. + Show Spoiler + noob | ||
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On September 06 2011 09:48 BayonnetAnderson wrote: I beg to differ. Please read "Sleeper Cell Mafia" or that game where everyone got guns and Ace was elected mayor for proof. go away smurf | ||
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On September 06 2011 10:38 Ace wrote: I only get pissed when setups venture off the norm without trying to balance both sides. Which happens a lot because most hosts dont do What If scenarios. But whatever. No flip games with 15 people having more than 3 Scum: A.) 15 player Normals often dont have more than 3 Scum anyway. B.) Reading through the OP there is a possibility for more than 3 Scum because of revival roles for the Town. If the Coroner can confirm players as pro-town then even being revived for 1 Day is a major advantage for the Town. It's essentially a temporary Tree Stump. That being said having more than 3 Scum so that the Town doesn't run wild is likely. C.) redFF, sinani, myself, bumatlarge, jackal - all claimed roles. I know I'm town, and even assuming sinani and redFF are Town, bum being Scum, and Jackal being Town then there has to be some kind of revival role left out there. 2 Coroners, my game ending role, Jackal's alleged role: Thats a lot of power on the Town side. Either the Mafia would have 3 players with brutal roles or more than 3. If we accept that the inhibitor was 1 of them then that leaves 2 Mafia power roles. They'd pretty much have to have the necromancer or some revival roles or else as I said above - this game would end quickly. Which means the last power role has to be something awesome if there are 3 Mafia. A 1 shot sure-fire kill is great, but doesn't scream monstrous to me. I'm not buying the there has to be 3 Mafia argument yet. If you have such a kickass role that activates when you die, why the fuck are you so scared of getting lynched? | ||
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On September 06 2011 10:41 bumatlarge wrote: Wow this is the first I've heard of this. Mind sharing Ace? LOL On September 06 2011 10:38 Ace wrote: A.) 15 player Normals often dont have more than 3 Scum anyway. What does this have to do with anything? He didn't ask you about normal games. On September 06 2011 10:38 Ace wrote: B.) Reading through the OP there is a possibility for more than 3 Scum because of revival roles for the Town. If the Coroner can confirm players as pro-town then even being revived for 1 Day is a major advantage for the Town. It's essentially a temporary Tree Stump. That being said having more than 3 Scum so that the Town doesn't run wild is likely. If you think there is a possibility for 4 scum then give us who you think is scum. We have a double lynch for a reason. If you think both red and sinani are scum, well, one of them is dead. Who are the other two? (also it's not likely red is going to get revived.) On September 06 2011 10:38 Ace wrote: C.) redFF, sinani, myself, bumatlarge, jackal - all claimed roles. I know I'm town, and even assuming sinani and redFF are Town, bum being Scum, and Jackal being Town then there has to be some kind of revival role left out there. 2 Coroners, my game ending role, Jackal's alleged role: You didn't claim shit. You just keep throwing around this notion of some super badass role that will allow you to rape face, while simultaneously contradicting yourself on more than one occasion regarding role claiming (i.e. not really doubting Jackal and bum but going ape shit crazy over sinani and red) On September 06 2011 10:43 Ace wrote: Thats a lot of power on the Town side. Either the Mafia would have 3 players with brutal roles or more than 3. If we accept that the inhibitor was 1 of them then that leaves 2 Mafia power roles. They'd pretty much have to have the necromancer or some revival roles or else as I said above - this game would end quickly. Which means the last power role has to be something awesome if there are 3 Mafia. A 1 shot sure-fire kill is great, but doesn't scream monstrous to me. I'm not buying the there has to be 3 Mafia argument yet. Can you prove this? Why don't you come up with real objective evidence as to why ANY of this should be true? Who's speculating now? God you're a hypocrite. On September 06 2011 10:43 Ace wrote: Really? Show me where I have been scared of getting lynched. Come on read the thread - have I REALLY been trying hard not to get lynched? lol what a scrub Alright then, I advocate we lynch Ace and no one res him. Then since he's so much better than us he can do all the work and save us with his broken role. | ||
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On September 06 2011 10:52 Ace wrote: Yea I already figured him out. I'm just doing this for kicks. You'd think someone would revive Varpulis right now or at least push for it heavily. Oh well. This right here should prove that Ace has no desire to be helping town, because he hasn't read the thread. No one can revive Varpulis now because he's been dead for more than 48 hours. NOOB. | ||
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On September 06 2011 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote: This right here should prove that Ace has no desire to be helping town, because he hasn't read the thread. No one can revive Varpulis now because he's been dead for more than 48 hours. NOOB. | ||
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On August 20 2011 16:40 iGrok wrote: Player List
(2) Means on their second Life (D) Means currently Dead Replacements
Let me REPEAT, since Ace is too noob to be able to read the OP: On August 20 2011 16:40 iGrok wrote: On August 20 2011 16:40 iGrok wrote: Player List
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What's your explanation for this one? We need to lynch this noob, then we'll really see if he can put his money where his mouth is. | ||
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On September 06 2011 11:08 Ace wrote: I was actually hoping you quoted the OP. Perfect. Remember when I said it was a trick question? Why doesn't this apply to redFF's and sinani's claims? Wtf does this have to do with reviving Varpulis? Varpulis can't be revived because he's been dead for 48 hours. So what's your explanation for saying that his revival should be a big topic today? | ||
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On September 06 2011 11:18 Ace wrote: sigh. Ok maybe this will help. Let me try and break this down again. According to the OP Varpulis can't be revived. Correct? Right. According to the OP the Coroner role can check A corpse per day. That means one. redFF checked two. See where I'm coming from now? It doesn't say anywhere in the OP that the coroner can check ONLY one corpse per day. Ace you're full of shit and you know it | ||
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On September 06 2011 11:21 Ace wrote: Ok, but I've already addressed that. The roles may be incomplete but why would it contradict whats stated about the role in the OP? The coroner role may have some extra ability attached. Fine. But do we really believe that ability is "revive 2 players today" when the OP explicitly states something else and redFF messed up the claim! Do you get it now? So, since we're discussing semantics here... First of all, nothing is contradictory. Second, I'm not saying the coroner role has an attached extra ability. It's a compromise. The coroner doesn't have infinite checks, but the coroner role can use the checks whenever. This makes sense in the context of the role because the check is instant. Do I know this for sure? No, obviously not, but honestly neither do you. Right now you're a lot less believable than sinani and red, despite how shitty red played. | ||
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On September 06 2011 11:25 Jackal58 wrote: Coroner Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). It means Coroner gets role and alignment back as soon as iGrok receives the request. Wtf does this have to do with ressing Varpulis? He's claiming that, since the coroner role is shown in the OP (as is Varpulis's state) then we should stick to the OP when we consider red and sinani's claims. I call bullshit on that because iGrok has stated that the role descriptions are incomplete. | ||
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On September 06 2011 11:27 Ace wrote: partially yes. Lets look at this another way because obviously basing it on whats stated in the OP isn't getting through to some people. Varpulis can not be resurrected. redFF checked the body. Said he Varpulis was Town. Why hasn't he given us Varpulis's role yet? Cause redFF played like shit, and he's dead now, so it's not like we can actually get that information anymore, can we? | ||
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