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On September 04 2011 15:48 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2011 13:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
Good god why are we wasting more time speculating about this shit?
If we lynch mafia during the day, for example from 3 mafia to 2 mafia, does it reduce their KP that same day? e.g. would we see 1 mafia kill instead of 2? Yes.
Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects.
Initially I thought that, if we lynched both mafia then the res would still go through but I guess I'm unsure here because "other effects" is after lynches. Thus, if we lynch a necro he can't res, I think.
If we lynch the necromancer does his resurrect go through or is it nullified?
(sorry for all the questions iGrok haha. We love you :D )
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On September 06 2011 04:45 sandroba wrote:
If we kill both scum today it's game over afaik. If priest is alive target palmar.
Agreed. Res Palmar. Consider nobody else.
I'm not 100% convinced of Ace's scumminess. He's playing more like a VI.
jcarlsoniv looks more like scum than Ace.
Ace is scary fucking good.
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On September 06 2011 04:53 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2011 15:48 iGrok wrote:On September 04 2011 13:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
Good god why are we wasting more time speculating about this shit?
If we lynch mafia during the day, for example from 3 mafia to 2 mafia, does it reduce their KP that same day? e.g. would we see 1 mafia kill instead of 2? Yes.
Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects. Initially I thought that, if we lynched both mafia then the res would still go through but I guess I'm unsure here because "other effects" is after lynches. Thus, if we lynch a necro he can't res, I think. If we lynch the necromancer does his resurrect go through or is it nullified?(sorry for all the questions iGrok haha. We love you :D )
I never said there was a necromancer in this game.
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What's a VI?
Also I say we lynch jcarl/kenpachi tomorrow. If ON somehow gets ressed then replace one of them with ON.
No offense to either of you guys, but kenpachi has been super hardcore mode lurking and jcarl suggested we have 5-6 mafia (rofl) and has been doing things that suggest to me he's new when apparently he's more experienced than sandroba.
That is rather fishy to me.
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On September 06 2011 04:56 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 04:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 04 2011 15:48 iGrok wrote:On September 04 2011 13:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
Good god why are we wasting more time speculating about this shit?
If we lynch mafia during the day, for example from 3 mafia to 2 mafia, does it reduce their KP that same day? e.g. would we see 1 mafia kill instead of 2? Yes.
Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects. Initially I thought that, if we lynched both mafia then the res would still go through but I guess I'm unsure here because "other effects" is after lynches. Thus, if we lynch a necro he can't res, I think. If we lynch the necromancer does his resurrect go through or is it nullified?(sorry for all the questions iGrok haha. We love you :D ) I never said there was a necromancer in this game.
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Oh you BITCH :p
working on the assumption that there is, what would happen? Replace "necromancer" with "resurrector" if you wish, I don't give a shit
Also if he refuses to answer I say we lynch iGrok
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On September 06 2011 04:59 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 04:56 iGrok wrote:On September 06 2011 04:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 04 2011 15:48 iGrok wrote:On September 04 2011 13:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
Good god why are we wasting more time speculating about this shit?
If we lynch mafia during the day, for example from 3 mafia to 2 mafia, does it reduce their KP that same day? e.g. would we see 1 mafia kill instead of 2? Yes.
Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects. Initially I thought that, if we lynched both mafia then the res would still go through but I guess I'm unsure here because "other effects" is after lynches. Thus, if we lynch a necro he can't res, I think. If we lynch the necromancer does his resurrect go through or is it nullified?(sorry for all the questions iGrok haha. We love you :D ) I never said there was a necromancer in this game.
+ Show Spoiler + Oh you BITCH :p working on the assumption that there is, what would happen? Replace "necromancer" with "resurrector" if you wish, I don't give a shitAlso if he refuses to answer I say we lynch iGrok
Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects.
Lynch me if you dare!
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On September 06 2011 04:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
What's a VI?
Also I say we lynch jcarl/kenpachi tomorrow. If ON somehow gets ressed then replace one of them with ON.
No offense to either of you guys, but kenpachi has been super hardcore mode lurking and jcarl suggested we have 5-6 mafia (rofl) and has been doing things that suggest to me he's new when apparently he's more experienced than sandroba.
That is rather fishy to me.
A village idiot. A 3rd party role that wins on condition of being lynched by town. Some VI scenarios just declare his wincon met and remove him from the game when lynched. Others declare game over and VI winner if he's lynched.
Ace is not playing scummy. Nor is he playing town. He's just trying to piss everybody off.
Sandroba - Is Ace playing anything at all like he did in Sleeper Cell? Remember the game where he got the DT that called me scum lynched instead of me? Where he convinced town he was super duper spy with DT/Vig powers?
This Ace ain't scum. He ain't town but he damn sure ain't scum.
(Sorry to open old wounds Bum)
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I didn't actually even think about that.
I think you might be right, Jackal. Also Kenpachi's last post is really makin me suspicious of him.
Lynch kenpachi instead of Ace?
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Kenpachi I know you're here, why don't you actually help the town instead of lurking so hard and making yourself lynchbait? You really haven't done anything to help us all game
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On September 06 2011 05:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
I didn't actually even think about that.
I think you might be right, Jackal. Also Kenpachi's last post is really makin me suspicious of him.
Lynch kenpachi instead of Ace?
Trying to get a read off of Kenpachi is next to impossible. He plays every game like a VI. I don't believe I have played with jcarl before. If I have I died day 1 or 2 and didn't pay any attention to him. You say he's experienced?
Right now I think I'd prefer a jcarl lynch. His defense of Bum and his excuse for it screams scum at me.
Everything Kenpachi posts just screams trololololo.
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I don't know jcarl either, I thought he was new based on how he posted but sandroba said that he's played much longer than he has.
I don't know Kenpachi (or Ace either for that matter) so honestly I can't say anything there either. I'll come back in an hour or two after I've gathered my thoughts on these three (I guess just jcarl/Ace cause kenpachi has like no content whatsoever)
If kenpachi is town and trolling, then derp. I despise lurkers.
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There are a lot of people in this game that I have never played with. I have experience playing this game. It has been about 6 months since I've played though, and this is the first game of no-flip I have ever played. To this date, there is not a game of forum mafia that I have never been town.
I know I have played poorly this game. I know that if you guys really want to lynch me, you can, and that's fine. But I promise you that you will be wasting a lynch.
Ace being village idiot makes sense, but do village idiots usually exist in a game this small?
Kenpachu being scum wouldn't surprise me, but if he is, its stupid. Lurkers suck. If he turns out to be scum, then the next time he lurks like this and we think he's scum, but he's town, he'll whine about it. What's the point of lurking? So that you can be like "OH LOOK MY TEAM WON" even though you haven't participated to help the win at all? Nobody likes people like that.
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On September 06 2011 05:05 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 04:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
What's a VI?
Also I say we lynch jcarl/kenpachi tomorrow. If ON somehow gets ressed then replace one of them with ON.
No offense to either of you guys, but kenpachi has been super hardcore mode lurking and jcarl suggested we have 5-6 mafia (rofl) and has been doing things that suggest to me he's new when apparently he's more experienced than sandroba.
That is rather fishy to me. A village idiot. A 3rd party role that wins on condition of being lynched by town. Some VI scenarios just declare his wincon met and remove him from the game when lynched. Others declare game over and VI winner if he's lynched. Ace is not playing scummy. Nor is he playing town. He's just trying to piss everybody off. Sandroba - Is Ace playing anything at all like he did in Sleeper Cell? Remember the game where he got the DT that called me scum lynched instead of me? Where he convinced town he was super duper spy with DT/Vig powers? This Ace ain't scum. He ain't town but he damn sure ain't scum. (Sorry to open old wounds Bum)
Well, I'm almost positive ace is scum. He pushed the lynch on redFF ytd, but seen how absurd the idea was he didn't get much support except from the scum team. Also from his day1 play and considering the setup VI is very unlikely (there is double lynch and players get ressurected ffs).
Bum is 100% scum and ON was scum, so it's not like it's the end of the word if somehow we mislynch ace.
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On September 06 2011 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
There are a lot of people in this game that I have never played with. I have experience playing this game. It has been about 6 months since I've played though, and this is the first game of no-flip I have ever played. To this date, there is not a game of forum mafia that I have never been town.
I know I have played poorly this game. I know that if you guys really want to lynch me, you can, and that's fine. But I promise you that you will be wasting a lynch.
Ace being village idiot makes sense, but do village idiots usually exist in a game this small?
Kenpachu being scum wouldn't surprise me, but if he is, its stupid. Lurkers suck. If he turns out to be scum, then the next time he lurks like this and we think he's scum, but he's town, he'll whine about it. What's the point of lurking? So that you can be like "OH LOOK MY TEAM WON" even though you haven't participated to help the win at all? Nobody likes people like that.
This is generally what he does, that's why I always jump on him day 1 because generally he won't be helpful. But apparently voting useless people is trying to hide you're vote.
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Also the idea of kenpachi being scum makes little sense and goes against optimal play for mafia in a no flip scenario, considering Bum and ON are scum (look at day1 voting paterns).
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On September 05 2011 10:25 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 10:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 05 2011 10:05 sandroba wrote:On September 05 2011 09:49 Ace wrote:
so somehow the Coroner role when divided ends up with a grand total of just 2 checks. Lol wow what bullshit. From the OP: "Not all role descriptions are complete." Don't you thinking by now the real coroner would have counter claimed? Also look at the list of players. If you think the scum team consists of redFF and sinani I don't know what to say. Also if the team is me/redFF/sinani why wouldn't we save redFF from the lynch by blocking one of his voters? What about bum's ridiculous claim have you nothing to say about that? If you argue the inhibitor is not present thus he could not be saved and the lynch results were because of pious I ask you to look at the suposedly townie roles because that would make at least 1 priest 1 medic 1 ridic lawyer claim and very likely a coroner since it's no flip. No roleblocker in this setup? I've been roleblocked twice and you are voting for me without any analysis or reasoning. There is simply no way you are town. I don't find bum's claim as ridiculous as you do. I don't necessarily believe his claim, but I have had a sneaking suspicion that I am the pious since the first night. This makes it very difficult for me to decide which one of you to believe. Your arguments against his claim ARE very weak. "Coloring his role green instead of blue, and using the word "are" instead of "is". Cool then vote for Ace. I didn't bring up colors as an argument of why he is scum, that was someone else. Check my posting history (and his) to see why bum is scum. Do you think redFF and sinani are both lying?
Yes.
How do you explain the kp discrepancy from day1 to day2 then?
I think this is very big WIFOM. We can assume scum can opt not to shoot a bullet or hit someone twice. Completely disregarding that possibility confirms to me that you have something to hide.
How is it possible that we got off 3 ressurections? Do you supose mafia would res sinani and priest res drazerk both knowing the other would probably target the same one most likely?
It is likely that the actual priest ressed sinani. You have thrown away countless explanations to push your agenda. Please stop.
If you believe their claims that means 100% presence of a roleblocker despite my claim. You can also see that both bum and ON voted redFF last day, so if redFF was mafia roleblocker would totaly save him. Thus by the fact that kp got reduced it means we killed a mafia and by the fact that inhibitor opted to rb me means there were 2 mafia up for lynch, so they had to choose only one to save.
Explain this, there was 3 votes on me, I don't see how this confirms a roleblocker in the game. ON had 4 people, I had 3 people and redff had three people. There is no roleblocker, so do not use it in your explanations on how you sinani and redff aren't scum. 1 shot was used I'm convinced. Don't even try to say that you as mafia would not resort to this so you can ride yourself to victory because town will buy whatever claim that comes out of your mouth.
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On September 06 2011 07:29 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 05:05 Jackal58 wrote:On September 06 2011 04:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
What's a VI?
Also I say we lynch jcarl/kenpachi tomorrow. If ON somehow gets ressed then replace one of them with ON.
No offense to either of you guys, but kenpachi has been super hardcore mode lurking and jcarl suggested we have 5-6 mafia (rofl) and has been doing things that suggest to me he's new when apparently he's more experienced than sandroba.
That is rather fishy to me. A village idiot. A 3rd party role that wins on condition of being lynched by town. Some VI scenarios just declare his wincon met and remove him from the game when lynched. Others declare game over and VI winner if he's lynched. Ace is not playing scummy. Nor is he playing town. He's just trying to piss everybody off. Sandroba - Is Ace playing anything at all like he did in Sleeper Cell? Remember the game where he got the DT that called me scum lynched instead of me? Where he convinced town he was super duper spy with DT/Vig powers? This Ace ain't scum. He ain't town but he damn sure ain't scum. (Sorry to open old wounds Bum) Well, I'm almost positive ace is scum. He pushed the lynch on redFF ytd, but seen how absurd the idea was he didn't get much support except from the scum team. Also from his day1 play and considering the setup VI is very unlikely (there is double lynch and players get ressurected ffs). Bum is 100% scum and ON was scum, so it's not like it's the end of the word if somehow we mislynch ace.
I'm not worried about a mislynch. I'm worried about something nasty happening to us when we do lynch him. Ace's scum play is not this transparent. Your zeal bothers me. Step back and rethink your position.
This is not a normal setup. Lynching Ace is a scary proposition in my opinion.
If Day vig is in this game shoot Ace now. Please.
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On September 06 2011 07:46 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 10:25 sandroba wrote:
If you believe their claims that means 100% presence of a roleblocker despite my claim. You can also see that both bum and ON voted redFF last day, so if redFF was mafia roleblocker would totaly save him. Thus by the fact that kp got reduced it means we killed a mafia and by the fact that inhibitor opted to rb me means there were 2 mafia up for lynch, so they had to choose only one to save. Explain this, there was 3 votes on me, I don't see how this confirms a roleblocker in the game. ON had 4 people, I had 3 people and redff had three people. There is no roleblocker, so do not use it in your explanations on how you sinani and redff aren't scum. 1 shot was used I'm convinced. Don't even try to say that you as mafia would not resort to this so you can ride yourself to victory because town will buy whatever claim that comes out of your mouth.
ON died and red died. If there's no roleblocker then surely you are suggesting that you, ON or Ace is pious?
That's the only explanation, and I don't really buy into that, since not one of you has actually played like a townie.
On September 06 2011 07:46 bumatlarge wrote:I think this is very big WIFOM. We can assume scum can opt not to shoot a bullet or hit someone twice. Completely disregarding that possibility confirms to me that you have something to hide.
What?
In this double lynch, no flip setup it doesn't make sense for mafia to withhold KP early. They get a huge advantage in voting leverage by eliminating as many townies as possible, as fast as possible. If they want to bandwagon someone, they can, and the chance of them getting a lynch off on that person is really really good.
Anyway, I'm going to humor the thought here for a bit that bum is actually town. Bum, who do you suggest we lynch with our second lynch? Clearly I know you think sandroba is the best lynch today, but we have a double lynch system. Who's your next choice?
Moving on...
On jcarl: I don't think he's mafia. The way he says things and puts forth his posts suggests to me a town-aligned agenda.
For example, I don't think a mafia member would respond to Palmar in a manner like this:
On September 02 2011 01:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 01:29 Palmar wrote:On September 02 2011 01:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 02 2011 00:16 Palmar wrote:On September 01 2011 23:22 Ace wrote:
why do I sign up for these games Why do you bother? It's not like you're actually trying. Most of us are. Why do you act as if what people are saying right now is final? We talk in circles to try to figure out what drives each one of us until we can pinpoint whoever is anti town. The people that don't join in on the conversation are those who are really dangerous to town, because they don't leave behind anything to investigate them on. By the way, I don't want to lynch jcarlvson anymore.Now I wanna lynch Varpulis and Sandroba. Why the sudden change of heart? Do you miss the attention? I want to know your motives. You're correct in not wanting to lynch me anymore, but I want to know why you changed your mind. The reasons behind peoples' actions are how you figure them out.
He also appeared to be actively watching out for behavior from several players, including some players that were difficult to read on day 1. Case in point, OriginalName:
On September 03 2011 04:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2011 04:00 OriginalName wrote:
If a Necromancer and a High Preist res the same target which one takes priority? sigh...I really wish people would read the thread... Quoted this half a page up, but apparently I need to quote it for everyone. Show nested quote +If two players try to bring the same player back to life, whichever message I receive earlier will correlate to how the player is brought back to life (reanimated/resurrected).
The Coroner Ability returns information privately to the coroner.
Resurrected players retain their powers, as do Reanimated players
Daywalkers may be killed by night kills. They do not get "reloaded" if returned to life after using their power.
On September 03 2011 05:11 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2011 05:03 OriginalName wrote:For shitposting and meta I vote NOTE THE BOLDED/ITALICS/UNDERLINED SECTION OF THAT -_- What would you like us to note about that?
And of course ON established himself as scum by not responding to any of the queries, not from jcarl nor from anyone else (including multiple from me)
IMO jcarl is town.
Kenpachi is weird because he's done nothing but lurk. In fact, since his first post he's basically had no other intention.
On September 01 2011 17:54 Kenpachi wrote:ok sorry guys. i had to sleep early to wake up early but i never slept so i never woke up. Its the morning and im tired but who cares (ps. happy birthday ON, wasnt able to tell you on LoL) Im a townie and im sad because im not an awesome role that is the priest or the necromancer in an epic setup like this. le sigh my gut feeling is telling me that if varp is scum, his team doesnt consist of me I would also like a summary of these following players: Sknowman Wherebugsgo jcarlsoniv i dont know who these guys are and i would like to know if they are fellow lurkers or not.
I want to say varpulis is scummy but i have seen too many useless introductory posts that i dont know anymore. Aside from that i want to bring your attention to this: Show nested quote +On September 01 2011 12:31 sinani206 wrote:
/confirm
Meta and policies aren't a good enough case for a lynch right now.
The subject of Varpulis was a nice way to start discussion, but there's no need to tunnel.
All of redFF's posts, however are very short and tangential, except for his analysis of Varpulis that was based entirely on meta. FoS redFF. Red was pretty senseless in posting this. Instead of atleast justifying or defending himself, he asks what does not need to be asked. fos redff
He opens with something about wanting to know whether the three of us unknown to kenpachi players are "fellow lurkers."
First of all, kenpachi, screw you for lurking. Second, if it's actually your meta to lurk, then screw you again. Lastly, screw you for making it difficult to read whether you're part of mafia or not by being a lurker.
Finally, I thought this was interesting (well, let's be honest, kenpachi pretty much posted nothing else)
On September 04 2011 06:11 Kenpachi wrote:
dunno man, i want to get rid of all 3 of the major lynches right now. i'll decide tmrw.
at the end of the day i can see Mafia using their KP on RedFF and Palmar. I will propose to you all to NOT revive Red immediately. Lets revive him later on or force Mafia to revive someone who is valuable to town. Another reason is Mafia's 3rd KP comes from the minion which acts as a free ressurection on blues. Think about it, the longer Red is dead, the more people die and when we really need him, we revive him and check everyone who died (assuming thats how his role works)
Both redFF and Palmar died. The thing that interests me is not his idea (which was stupid because he obviously didn't read the OP) nor his interest in getting rid of "all 3 of the major lynches right now" (there were only 2 lol) but rather the fact that he thought red and Palmar would be mafia targets.
He was right, but why or how? Palmar really didn't do anything, he was rather inactive. He's a good scumhunter, but Palmar did nothing to suggest that he would be a mafia target yesterday. Is the scumteam creating WIFOM here with respect to kenpachi?
At any rate, I'm okay with lynching kenpachi because I despise lurkers, but I think it's better to stick with Ace/bum.
If anyone can provide concrete, objective reasons why we should prefer someone else over Ace, I'd be willing to listen, but I kinda doubt that Ace is third party/village idiot. Ace wants to be unreadable right now, I say we just take the risk and lynch him. If he's town, he's useless, if he's mafia, he's dead, and if he's third party...well, whatever.
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On September 06 2011 08:26 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 07:29 sandroba wrote:On September 06 2011 05:05 Jackal58 wrote:On September 06 2011 04:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
What's a VI?
Also I say we lynch jcarl/kenpachi tomorrow. If ON somehow gets ressed then replace one of them with ON.
No offense to either of you guys, but kenpachi has been super hardcore mode lurking and jcarl suggested we have 5-6 mafia (rofl) and has been doing things that suggest to me he's new when apparently he's more experienced than sandroba.
That is rather fishy to me. A village idiot. A 3rd party role that wins on condition of being lynched by town. Some VI scenarios just declare his wincon met and remove him from the game when lynched. Others declare game over and VI winner if he's lynched. Ace is not playing scummy. Nor is he playing town. He's just trying to piss everybody off. Sandroba - Is Ace playing anything at all like he did in Sleeper Cell? Remember the game where he got the DT that called me scum lynched instead of me? Where he convinced town he was super duper spy with DT/Vig powers? This Ace ain't scum. He ain't town but he damn sure ain't scum. (Sorry to open old wounds Bum) Well, I'm almost positive ace is scum. He pushed the lynch on redFF ytd, but seen how absurd the idea was he didn't get much support except from the scum team. Also from his day1 play and considering the setup VI is very unlikely (there is double lynch and players get ressurected ffs). Bum is 100% scum and ON was scum, so it's not like it's the end of the word if somehow we mislynch ace. I'm not worried about a mislynch. I'm worried about something nasty happening to us when we do lynch him. Ace's scum play is not this transparent. Your zeal bothers me. Step back and rethink your position. This is not a normal setup. Lynching Ace is a scary proposition in my opinion. If Day vig is in this game shoot Ace now. Please.
If we had a dayvig it was probably varpulis or sknowman.
I don't think there's any way we can deal with Ace other than lynching him.
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