EPTAnd my role is green, I'm guessing similar to pious man. I die to minion hits, and I am not a blue. I am not regarded as a power role afaik.
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
And my role is green, I'm guessing similar to pious man. I die to minion hits, and I am not a blue. I am not regarded as a power role afaik. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
Only other kind of Angel I can think of. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
you seem like a huge advocate for balanced games and get really pissed when set ups venture off the norm. So I'm going to put a little bit of faith in you and ask you: How often do you see no-flip games with 15 people have more than 3 scum? Because sandroba's explanation (which makes sense to me) seems to suggest otherwise. I only get pissed when setups venture off the norm without trying to balance both sides. Which happens a lot because most hosts dont do What If scenarios. But whatever. No flip games with 15 people having more than 3 Scum: A.) 15 player Normals often dont have more than 3 Scum anyway. B.) Reading through the OP there is a possibility for more than 3 Scum because of revival roles for the Town. If the Coroner can confirm players as pro-town then even being revived for 1 Day is a major advantage for the Town. It's essentially a temporary Tree Stump. That being said having more than 3 Scum so that the Town doesn't run wild is likely. C.) redFF, sinani, myself, bumatlarge, jackal - all claimed roles. I know I'm town, and even assuming sinani and redFF are Town, bum being Scum, and Jackal being Town then there has to be some kind of revival role left out there. 2 Coroners, my game ending role, Jackal's alleged role: Thats a lot of power on the Town side. Either the Mafia would have 3 players with brutal roles or more than 3. If we accept that the inhibitor was 1 of them then that leaves 2 Mafia power roles. They'd pretty much have to have the necromancer or some revival roles or else as I said above - this game would end quickly. Which means the last power role has to be something awesome if there are 3 Mafia. A 1 shot sure-fire kill is great, but doesn't scream monstrous to me. I'm not buying the there has to be 3 Mafia argument yet. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On September 06 2011 10:25 Jackal58 wrote: What happens if I start farting rainbows? You berated people for looking for things outside of the OP and creating scenarios to fit their imaginings. And now you're creating what if scenarios? Ya you're scum. Typical jackal, as someone who just claimed something that is not in the OP, don't you think berating Ace for something that you are is a bit hypocritical? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On September 06 2011 10:35 Jackal58 wrote: Avenging Angel Ace? Only other kind of Angel I can think of. no, but lets just say when I die it will be the last chance for you guys to get your shit straight. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 06 2011 10:38 Ace wrote: I only get pissed when setups venture off the norm without trying to balance both sides. Which happens a lot because most hosts dont do What If scenarios. But whatever. No flip games with 15 people having more than 3 Scum: A.) 15 player Normals often dont have more than 3 Scum anyway. B.) Reading through the OP there is a possibility for more than 3 Scum because of revival roles for the Town. If the Coroner can confirm players as pro-town then even being revived for 1 Day is a major advantage for the Town. It's essentially a temporary Tree Stump. That being said having more than 3 Scum so that the Town doesn't run wild is likely. C.) redFF, sinani, myself, bumatlarge, jackal - all claimed roles. I know I'm town, and even assuming sinani and redFF are Town, bum being Scum, and Jackal being Town then there has to be some kind of revival role left out there. 2 Coroners, my game ending role, Jackal's alleged role: Thats a lot of power on the Town side. Either the Mafia would have 3 players with brutal roles or more than 3. If we accept that the inhibitor was 1 of them then that leaves 2 Mafia power roles. They'd pretty much have to have the necromancer or some revival roles or else as I said above - this game would end quickly. Which means the last power role has to be something awesome if there are 3 Mafia. A 1 shot sure-fire kill is great, but doesn't scream monstrous to me. I'm not buying the there has to be 3 Mafia argument yet. If you have such a kickass role that activates when you die, why the fuck are you so scared of getting lynched? | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
my game ending role Wow this is the first I've heard of this. Mind sharing Ace? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On September 06 2011 10:22 Ace wrote: I believe bum's claim because it is more plausible than redFF's claim. If you were roleblocked I'll think of other possible scenario's but right now I'm very interested in why sinani and redFF's claims dont match up well. redFF messed his claim - you had to have noticed this. Why is bum's claim not good but redFF's legit? I believe Jackal's claim because of the role I have. I'm just waiting to die so I can rape face. Yes, I noticed some inconsistencies, but I believe they are town, from logic and behaviour. There are plenty of reasons why red would lie about not having more claims as town. At first when he claimed I found it sketchy, but after considering for a bit and looking at the situation, I thought it would be likely that redFF got informed of who the original coroner is at the moment he died and he just *had* to check the person he pushed day 1 (varpulis) to see if he was right. He then wanted sinani to be revived because he was coroner and thus had to claim for the priest to know. If that is actually how it happened or not doesn't really matter because either way I'm positive they are town. Bum claim is not legit because ON is mafia, thus not pious. Even if he had 3 votes as he claims (one of palmar/wbg must be pious aswell), the only way for him not to be lynched day2 is if ON is pious (not possible) or he is lying. You don't find it the least bit curious that Bum miraculously survived 2 lynches he should have died? You have claimed another role. Jackal is and imba medic that protects against all scum actions. Do you really believe it's possible that mafia has no role blocker Oh So Great Setup Breaker? If you have half a drop of common sense the answer is they obviously do. Assuming I'm lying about being roleblocked, why the hell mafia did not save redFF if he was scum, and bum/ON town? They could insure redFF did not get lynched with rb despite pious. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On September 06 2011 10:32 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm more than happy to, but I'm not sure why what I just said wasn't enough. What do you not understand about my deductive reasoning? Where am I missing something. Show me the hole, and I'll be glad to look for a way to patch it up. Is the Mafia kill compulsive? Likewise is the roleblock compulsive? I really may have missed something small thats why I'm asking. Just a list of "ok this is what happened each day that is mod-confirmed" could go a long way to clearing this up. Someone still has to explain redFF's behavior during his claim though. I refuse to believe he is that bad. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On September 06 2011 10:40 wherebugsgo wrote: If you have such a kickass role that activates when you die, why the fuck are you so scared of getting lynched? Really? Show me where I have been scared of getting lynched. Come on read the thread - have I REALLY been trying hard not to get lynched? lol what a scrub | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
Mafia has no roleblocker, they could not save redff. You just have to push that that is not the sace because you are scum. 4 scum and no blocker would not surprise me in the slightest. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On September 06 2011 10:28 Ace wrote: Why do you keep doing this. You chastise me for not posting, and now that I'm posting it's "I'm not scumhunting". You can't have it both ways. If you haven't noticed the rules don't apply to me. I'm better than everyone else. Good luck though. When are you going to acknowledge that no one can Counter Claim Coroner in this set up though - whats taking you so long? Surely you are smart enough to have figured this out on Day 1 right? I like how you say I'm disregarding behaviour when that is exactly what this is all about: redFF's behavior with his claim. Read my posts and stop being bitter that you aren't as good as I am. How can no one counter claim coroner? Thats positive ev for town always, as you can simply lynch both claims. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On September 06 2011 10:41 bumatlarge wrote: Wow this is the first I've heard of this. Mind sharing Ace? I actually typed it out, but I restrained just in case there really is some Mafia role out there that can do something insane. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On September 06 2011 10:43 Ace wrote: Really? Show me where I have been scared of getting lynched. Come on read the thread - have I REALLY been trying hard not to get lynched? lol what a scrub No you haven't. You've appear to be bound and determined to make it happen. That's what scares me. I still don't believe you're town aligned. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 06 2011 10:41 bumatlarge wrote: Wow this is the first I've heard of this. Mind sharing Ace? LOL On September 06 2011 10:38 Ace wrote: A.) 15 player Normals often dont have more than 3 Scum anyway. What does this have to do with anything? He didn't ask you about normal games. On September 06 2011 10:38 Ace wrote: B.) Reading through the OP there is a possibility for more than 3 Scum because of revival roles for the Town. If the Coroner can confirm players as pro-town then even being revived for 1 Day is a major advantage for the Town. It's essentially a temporary Tree Stump. That being said having more than 3 Scum so that the Town doesn't run wild is likely. If you think there is a possibility for 4 scum then give us who you think is scum. We have a double lynch for a reason. If you think both red and sinani are scum, well, one of them is dead. Who are the other two? (also it's not likely red is going to get revived.) On September 06 2011 10:38 Ace wrote: C.) redFF, sinani, myself, bumatlarge, jackal - all claimed roles. I know I'm town, and even assuming sinani and redFF are Town, bum being Scum, and Jackal being Town then there has to be some kind of revival role left out there. 2 Coroners, my game ending role, Jackal's alleged role: You didn't claim shit. You just keep throwing around this notion of some super badass role that will allow you to rape face, while simultaneously contradicting yourself on more than one occasion regarding role claiming (i.e. not really doubting Jackal and bum but going ape shit crazy over sinani and red) On September 06 2011 10:43 Ace wrote: Thats a lot of power on the Town side. Either the Mafia would have 3 players with brutal roles or more than 3. If we accept that the inhibitor was 1 of them then that leaves 2 Mafia power roles. They'd pretty much have to have the necromancer or some revival roles or else as I said above - this game would end quickly. Which means the last power role has to be something awesome if there are 3 Mafia. A 1 shot sure-fire kill is great, but doesn't scream monstrous to me. I'm not buying the there has to be 3 Mafia argument yet. Can you prove this? Why don't you come up with real objective evidence as to why ANY of this should be true? Who's speculating now? God you're a hypocrite. On September 06 2011 10:43 Ace wrote: Really? Show me where I have been scared of getting lynched. Come on read the thread - have I REALLY been trying hard not to get lynched? lol what a scrub Alright then, I advocate we lynch Ace and no one res him. Then since he's so much better than us he can do all the work and save us with his broken role. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On September 06 2011 10:44 bumatlarge wrote: Ace you can't convince sandroba because I guarentee you he is scum this game. He will just keep using his roleblocked excuse to incriminate me, and then because ON agrees with me, well then ON is mafia too. Mafia has no roleblocker, they could not save redff. You just have to push that that is not the sace because you are scum. 4 scum and no blocker would not surprise me in the slightest. Yea I already figured him out. I'm just doing this for kicks. You'd think someone would revive Varpulis right now or at least push for it heavily. Oh well. On September 06 2011 10:46 sandroba wrote: How can no one counter claim coroner? Thats positive ev for town always, as you can simply lynch both claims. What? positive ev for the Town? Do you want a shovel? It's a NO FLIP GAME. Repeat that. NO FLIP. If you lynch both claimers the Town loses the only known investigation role they have of flipping people. All trails by association are DEAD. All trails by voting analysis are DEAD. The Town figures stuff out by alignment flips. Lose 1 scum, the Town loses all alignment flips. The Game is over unless the Town has some super face raping roles. The Coroner, who should be smart, would see this and not Counter Claim. "My word against his" in a no flip game is pretty stupid behavior when you're the guy that gets flips. The expected value is always negative for the Town - it leads to a loss unless some really epic shit happens to help them. Keep up chap, you're supposedly smarter than this. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On September 06 2011 10:47 Ace wrote: I actually typed it out, but I restrained just in case there really is some Mafia role out there that can do something insane. Also, would double high priests break the set-up? I'm thinking it's completely plausible with what we are seeing so far, since we haven't seen an unlynchable claim or shoot, and there is only one coroner. Losing an HP would really rough up town, and the likelihood of them overlapping is huge. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 06 2011 10:52 Ace wrote: Yea I already figured him out. I'm just doing this for kicks. You'd think someone would revive Varpulis right now or at least push for it heavily. Oh well. This right here should prove that Ace has no desire to be helping town, because he hasn't read the thread. No one can revive Varpulis now because he's been dead for more than 48 hours. NOOB. | ||
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