Resurrection Mafia - Page 40

On September 06 2011 10:18 Ace wrote:


What happens if there is 4 Scum

you seem like a huge advocate for balanced games and get really pissed when set ups venture off the norm. So I'm going to put a little bit of faith in you and ask you: How often do you see no-flip games with 15 people have more than 3 scum? Because sandroba's explanation (which makes sense to me) seems to suggest otherwise.

On September 06 2011 09:54 sandroba wrote:
I have no hard proof all I have is behaviour and logic. Mafia is indeed a game of assumptions and that's how you work out the most reasonable explanation. The hard facts I have is that kp was 2 + minion day1 and 1 day2, plus the fact that I've been roleblocked twice while voting bumatlarge when otherwise he would be lynched.

Now the number of mafia players present is an important expeculation. I've given many reasons already why a number of mafia greater than 3 would be imbalanced and in one of your posts you agree with my logic. It also can't be lower than 3 due to balance and kp from day1. That being said that does indeed confirm varpulis and sinani as town.

One thing I find funny is that you jump all over redFF's claim, but you say nothing about bum's. That is contradictory to your own personal logic. Look at bum's claim. If he was town and indeed had that role how would you use that? You would try to fucking confirm townies by checking lists that had one vote looking for pious. That would be the most obvious thing to do and probably imbalanced as it would 100% confirm a player to bum in that case. Yet you never bothered to look into his claim nor at his behaviour. I wonder why.

Another example of contradictory behaviour:


Why? How come? Don't you find it slightly intriguing that there is a medic on a setup that people can ressurect? Jackal is suddenly legit to you based on nothing, but somehow you think when other players use reasoning to deduce if a claim is likely or not to be legit than they are "jumping to conclusions". Nice double standards right there. Your rules only apply to others, but not to you when you are pushing your objectives.

On September 06 2011 10:24 Ace wrote:
*redFF messed up his claim.

Really what this comes down to is: Is redFF really THAT bad of a player that he did not read the OP and think about the overall strategy of the game? I don't usually let people go away with that excuse.

@jcarlsoniv:

Show me the exact scenario again and order of events. With quotes and everything that proves this.

On September 06 2011 10:38 Ace wrote:


I only get pissed when setups venture off the norm without trying to balance both sides. Which happens a lot because most hosts dont do What If scenarios. But whatever.

No flip games with 15 people having more than 3 Scum:

A.) 15 player Normals often dont have more than 3 Scum anyway.

B.) Reading through the OP there is a possibility for more than 3 Scum because of revival roles for the Town. If the Coroner can confirm players as pro-town then even being revived for 1 Day is a major advantage for the Town. It's essentially a temporary Tree Stump. That being said having more than 3 Scum so that the Town doesn't run wild is likely.

C.) redFF, sinani, myself, bumatlarge, jackal - all claimed roles. I know I'm town, and even assuming sinani and redFF are Town, bum being Scum, and Jackal being Town then there has to be some kind of revival role left out there. 2 Coroners, my game ending role, Jackal's alleged role:

Thats a lot of power on the Town side. Either the Mafia would have 3 players with brutal roles or more than 3. If we accept that the inhibitor was 1 of them then that leaves 2 Mafia power roles.

They'd pretty much have to have the necromancer or some revival roles or else as I said above - this game would end quickly.

Which means the last power role has to be something awesome if there are 3 Mafia. A 1 shot sure-fire kill is great, but doesn't scream monstrous to me. I'm not buying the there has to be 3 Mafia argument yet.

On September 06 2011 10:24 sandroba wrote:
Also Ace, when I first started playing and I was seeking advice from you on the behaviour of a player that kept mentioning previous games and what a great scumhunter he was, you told me I was right to be suspicious and that those games had no relevance to the current one. Turned out he was scum.

Now you are doing the same thing here, saying you are great and have the most experience, yet this game you have done nothing to find scum or "break" the setup in favor of town. All those other games you played in which you were townie I'm sure you did great. Yet this game all you've done is abitrarily nit-pick on a claim from a COMPLETELY NEW AND MADE UP SETUP that you have no previous knowledge of. You claim it to be absurd, yet you say I'm the one jumping into conclusions. You completely disregard behaviour and other issues and you only push your agenda when convinient. You are not analysing each scenario and pondering everything, you are distorting the information to meet your ultimate goal. You are scum =)

my game ending role

On September 06 2011 10:40 wherebugsgo wrote:


If you have such a kickass role that activates when you die, why the fuck are you so scared of getting lynched?

my game ending role

On September 06 2011 10:40 wherebugsgo wrote:


If you have such a kickass role that activates when you die, why the fuck are you so scared of getting lynched?

On September 06 2011 10:41 bumatlarge wrote:


Wow this is the first I've heard of this. Mind sharing Ace?

On September 06 2011 10:44 bumatlarge wrote:
Ace you can't convince sandroba because I guarentee you he is scum this game. He will just keep using his roleblocked excuse to incriminate me, and then because ON agrees with me, well then ON is mafia too.

Mafia has no roleblocker, they could not save redff. You just have to push that that is not the sace because you are scum. 4 scum and no blocker would not surprise me in the slightest.