EPTThe coroner role may have some extra ability attached. Fine. But do we really believe that ability is "revive 2 players today" when the OP explicitly states something else and redFF messed up the claim! Do you get it now?
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Ace
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The coroner role may have some extra ability attached. Fine. But do we really believe that ability is "revive 2 players today" when the OP explicitly states something else and redFF messed up the claim! Do you get it now? | ||
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Ace
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 06 2011 10:59 Ace wrote: I've been thinking about this too, and it also irks me. If we have a Coroner and a backup Coroner then we might also have 2 priests. I don't see why iGrok would give us 2 Coroners when losing the priest is just as bad for the Town if this holds. The thing about revival is that once a dead player comes back to life, he has every incentive to claim knowing he will die again. But no one seems to realize this, or is purposely not mentioning this. Reviving Varpulis is actually the best move the Town can make right now. What would it do for your argument (purely curious) if I were to hypothetically claim HP, and there was another HP claim also? Are you just using it to reinforce your case that there could be 4 scum? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:21 Ace wrote: Ok, but I've already addressed that. The roles may be incomplete but why would it contradict whats stated about the role in the OP? The coroner role may have some extra ability attached. Fine. But do we really believe that ability is "revive 2 players today" when the OP explicitly states something else and redFF messed up the claim! Do you get it now? So, since we're discussing semantics here... First of all, nothing is contradictory. Second, I'm not saying the coroner role has an attached extra ability. It's a compromise. The coroner doesn't have infinite checks, but the coroner role can use the checks whenever. This makes sense in the context of the role because the check is instant. Do I know this for sure? No, obviously not, but honestly neither do you. Right now you're a lot less believable than sinani and red, despite how shitty red played. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:22 Ace wrote: Look at the role description for Coroner in the OP. Just read it. Tell me what it means. Coroner Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). It means Coroner gets role and alignment back as soon as iGrok receives the request. Wtf does this have to do with ressing Varpulis? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:25 jcarlsoniv wrote: I have an idea. It may already be too late, but it's worth doing probably. @Jackal, to make sure sandroba doesn't get RBd again, you could protect him. What would it do for your argument (purely curious) if I were to hypothetically claim HP, and there was another HP claim also? Are you just using it to reinforce your case that there could be 4 scum? partially yes. Lets look at this another way because obviously basing it on whats stated in the OP isn't getting through to some people. Varpulis can not be resurrected. redFF checked the body. Said he Varpulis was Town. Why hasn't he given us Varpulis's role yet? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:25 Jackal58 wrote: Coroner Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). It means Coroner gets role and alignment back as soon as iGrok receives the request. Wtf does this have to do with ressing Varpulis? He's claiming that, since the coroner role is shown in the OP (as is Varpulis's state) then we should stick to the OP when we consider red and sinani's claims. I call bullshit on that because iGrok has stated that the role descriptions are incomplete. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:27 Ace wrote: partially yes. Lets look at this another way because obviously basing it on whats stated in the OP isn't getting through to some people. Varpulis can not be resurrected. redFF checked the body. Said he Varpulis was Town. Why hasn't he given us Varpulis's role yet? Cause redFF played like shit, and he's dead now, so it's not like we can actually get that information anymore, can we? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:22 Ace wrote: Look at the role description for Coroner in the OP. Just read it. Tell me what it means. Coroner Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). It does not say "one per day". | ||
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Varpulis
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sandroba
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:25 Jackal58 wrote: Coroner Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). It means Coroner gets role and alignment back as soon as iGrok receives the request. Wtf does this have to do with ressing Varpulis? I was making a case that Varp not being able to come back to life based on the OP is true. So we should also look at the Coroner role in the OP and hold it as true. For some reason people keep taking "incomplete" to mean that whats stated in the role OP means it can change in the game. That wouldn't make sense because then the iGrok would be lying to us, or redFF really is that bad and messed up his claim. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:27 Ace wrote: partially yes. Lets look at this another way because obviously basing it on whats stated in the OP isn't getting through to some people. Varpulis can not be resurrected. redFF checked the body. Said he Varpulis was Town. Why hasn't he given us Varpulis's role yet? I interpreted that as him being green. Assuming I'm not the pious, which it was shown that I'm not, varp could very well have been the pious. I would assume there's more than only 1 or even 2 greens. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On August 20 2011 16:40 iGrok wrote: Holy Priest May Resurrect 1 player from the dead per day. The Resurrected Player will not expire in the manner a zombie does. Coroner Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). Important parts: On August 20 2011 16:40 iGrok wrote: Holy Priest May Resurrect 1 player from the dead per day. The Resurrected Player will not expire in the manner a zombie does. On August 20 2011 16:40 iGrok wrote: Coroner Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). Your argument would make sense, Ace, if the coroner role stated the same thing as the HP role. It does not. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:28 jcarlsoniv wrote: It does not say "one per day". what does "look at a corpse" mean? One. A Corpse. Not "a corpse, but 2 if my balls are tingly". Detective: You can investigate a player once per day and get their alignment. Are you honestly confused and think that this means the detective can possibly investigate TWO players? If I give you a hamburger, how many are you holding in your hand? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:31 Ace wrote: what does "look at a corpse" mean? One. A Corpse. Not "a corpse, but 2 if my balls are tingly". Detective: You can investigate a player once per day and get their alignment. Are you honestly confused and think that this means the detective can possibly investigate TWO players? If I give you a hamburger, how many are you holding in your hand? The detective role says ONCE PER DAY The coroner role DOES NOT. Jesus | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:29 jcarlsoniv wrote: I interpreted that as him being green. Assuming I'm not the pious, which it was shown that I'm not, varp could very well have been the pious. I would assume there's more than only 1 or even 2 greens. Sure, you can interpret it that way. But redFF never voluntarily gave us that information. Why would someone who felt it was the right time to claim Coroner, knowing very well he could die, not give us that information also. Don't you think thats a bit odd? You investigate 2 players, they both flip Town. Whether they are revived by Scum or Town it does not matter as this is now 2 Town players back in the game with voting power. Put yourself in the shoes of a backup role that can do this, and you claim knowing that Mafia have the ability to kill you. Why wouldn't you just out all of that information? You see where I'm going with this? | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:31 Ace wrote: what does "look at a corpse" mean? One. A Corpse. Not "a corpse, but 2 if my balls are tingly". Detective: You can investigate a player once per day and get their alignment. Are you honestly confused and think that this means the detective can possibly investigate TWO players? If I give you a hamburger, how many are you holding in your hand? Here would be a hypothetical full role: Coroner Can look at a corpse and know role and alignment. This can happen a total of two times, to be used at any time. Your counter argument used the phrase "once per day". You're the one debating on semantics, but you're also failing at it. | ||
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