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Foolishness I don't buy that only Veteran players would hit you. I've only played with you twice before (once where you were Mafia and didn't really even try it seemed), but reading the TL Quiz and just getting general opinions on you, I would also make you a N1 RB + hit.
I think one of chaoser and Mig is Mafia. The vibe I get is that one of them threw their vote uselessly onto the other, the other picked up on how the vote was for terribly shitty reasons and pegged the other as Mafia. I'll have to re-read the thread and their posts to form an opinion on which is which.
Did everyone just forget about this guy?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=53652
Every post he has made is useless and general up until the last few minutes, where he made a post that basically said "I'm going to vote for Rayzor wait I'm going to vote for Sevyrn I kinda think" then plopped his vote on Sevyrn without being willing to switch, preventing a possible Rayzor lynch.
Let's not forget the people that disappeared around the time of Sevyrn's lynch either. We have Foolishness's hit to generate information, yes, but don't forget the information generated from our lynch. I'll be re-reading the thread now.
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Although, to brownbear: who do you think we should lynch? Please provide your thoughts; I'd feel pretty bad considering you as scum if you're really not, as I was one of the people who voted for Sevryn yesterday.
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Splendid. What in particular about Palmar's case do you agree with bugs? What are your thoughts on DropBear if Palmar is so right-on where they're concerned?
I see you've filtered me down. Now go back and read Palmar's posts and see if you can get a town feeling from them NOT taking into account the fact that your PoV's are aligned. Keep in mind that scum KNOW who are town, so scum saying someone is town is an easy way to earn their trust.
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I don't know about Dropbear. I'm leaning toward town on DB because his reaction to Palmar's tunneling wasn't particularly scummy to me. His mayor proposal was strange but I don't really think there is very much to dig into that. So, I differ on palmar here.
Yesterday I didn't really look at Brownbear's posts that much, but I found his random accusation of JeeJee very strange. The problem for me was that there wasn't a very clear target other than Sevryn, and that was primarily due to Sevryn's messing up. The pressure vote shit he pulled was really stupid on his part. A couple hours before the vote finalized, when Sevryn finally showed up, I realized he was town since he decided to post again, but it was too late to switch or reanalyze.
Now, in light of JeeJee's hit we have to reconsider things a little. JeeJee was relatively inactive day 1, so mafia must've thought he was a blue. QS7 was probably targeted because he's a vet (correct me if I'm wrong) and he had some good analysis that I suggest you guys look at as well.
This is primarily why I suggest we lynch BB or xtfftc. I need some more time to think, though, and I'll be back in a few hours with some analysis and a vote of my own
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+ Show Spoiler [Quote from Palmar] +On August 22 2011 18:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 18:08 Kurumi wrote:On August 22 2011 17:53 Palmar wrote:
*lurks* start being useful same goes to me, brb re-reading the thread. I think I've made my opinions pretty damn clear, but I've made some fundamental mistakes this game that stop town from considering my opinions as valid. I think I have laid down the most detailed analysis of someone in the thread that isn't completely based on meta, and I stand by my conclusions in that one. I'm fine with lynching Mig actually, there are multiple mafia in this game, and unlike sevryn I'd actually give him a 50% chance of flipping red. I'm much more convinced BB is scum though. I don't know Chaoser's meta so the argument made against him may therefore look weaker to me than it should. Hopefully others who know him will correctly push his lynch if they're right. Just to rehash, this remains my opinion: Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 22:20 Palmar wrote:BrownBear So, I decided to try a new tactic this game. Most towns spend day one arguing casually about policies and then lynch a scummy lurker. This is sometimes effective, sometimes kind of weird. This game I decided to just tear up the thread with some super-awesome tunneling on the first scummy fucker I found, and read responses by other people. There are two people who stick out to me as scummy from their reactions to my tunneling. Namely Sevryn and BrownBear. I feel more confident BrownBear is the scum of the two. There are quite a few things in BrownBear's logic that really scare me. First off, let's take a look at the post that initially raised my suspicions of him: On August 20 2011 03:35 BrownBear wrote:On August 20 2011 03:21 supersoft wrote:
no. Posts like this make me sad. Put some effort into the game. Palmar/DropBear, I'm starting to believe at least one of you isn't, however this could just as easily be two townies chest-pounding day 1, at which point mafia just sits back and watches the fireworks as one or both get lynched, town wastes time, and they don't have to do jack shit. Point being, Palmar, we know you want us to lynch DropBear. DropBear, we know you want us to not lynch you. Arguing about it just takes up space. So, DropBear, if you want us to not lynch you, name someone who you think would be a better lynch target, and why. If no better alternative presents itself, I'll vote for you over a no-lynch, and you're the only person really with votes currently on you, so I highly recommend giving us some reasons why your neck should be spared. And Palmar... you keep making statements like "nard's totally setting me up he's scum" or "dropbear's scum lets investigate by lynching him" without ANY backup. "Your first post was a question to mods ppl know YOU MUST BE COVERING YOUR TRACKS OMG MAFIA" does not constitute evidence. If DropBear's gonna be active and making plans, I'm inclined to NOT lynch him day 1, because it means one less inactive jackass dragging us down. Plus, the more active he is, the sooner he'll slip up if he actually is scum. Of course, lynching is preferable to no-lynching in 99.99% of cases, so I'll vote for him in the end if nobody else comes forth. But I want to see a better case from you regardless. Finally, DB's plan: in a perfect world, it'd be great, but I don't think an unofficial mayor will have the power necessary to break ties of more than one vote. Also, how do we know this mayor will be pro-town? How do we know you are pro-town? How do we know if ANYONE'S pro-town at this point? We don't really, so I think an unofficial "mayor" will just serve to clog the thread further, will draw med-protects away from people who really need them like blues, and will end up not benefitting town in any major way. I immediately called him out on the scum logic in his posts. I pointed out that one wouldn't have to make a big stretch to understand the bolded sentence as a free pass to anyone who was being active in the thread. Which conveniently enough also clears BB of any suspicion. He also mentions the possibility of two townies just shouting at each other. The reason this jumps so much out to me is that I used exactly the same logic as scum on day 1 in SNMMII as scum. I pointed out that two loudmouths were probably just townies shouting at each other and then I suggested that the real threat are the inactive people. Deflecting lynches onto inactives is mafia's favorite way of playing day 1.BrownBear's defense of this, is that I'm twisting his words. But can anyone honestly says he understands the bolded sentence in any other way than BrownBear wants to kill off inactive people over people who are active, because the active people will reveal themselves as scum at some point. Next post, after demanding contribution from me: On August 20 2011 06:52 BrownBear wrote:On August 20 2011 04:05 Palmar wrote:On August 20 2011 03:53 BrownBear wrote:
I don't think I have... please quote where you're getting that from.
The only thing I can think of is in my large post, where I said if DB is gonna be active I'm less inclined to lynch him. This means I'm less inclined to lynch DB right now, NOT that I'm "heavily advocating lynching a lurker". Please don't put words into my mouth. Here you go: On August 20 2011 03:35 BrownBear wrote:
If DropBear's gonna be active and making plans, I'm inclined to NOT lynch him day 1, because it means one less inactive jackass dragging us down. Plus, the more active he is, the sooner he'll slip up if he actually is scum. Of course, lynching is preferable to no-lynching in 99.99% of cases, so I'll vote for him in the end if nobody else comes forth.
Well, I read that as any scummy asshole with a plan is going to get a free bye on day 1, because you want to lynch someone inactive? Or does, the free pass on making plans and blanket statements to avoid the lynch only extend to a specific pool of people? I asked for something of substance and this is what I got? Oh, you.  Ok, something you've pulled out of my reasoning that really just wasn't there. You're saying I want to lynch someone inactive. Not necessarily true. Implied, maybe, but NOT what I said. Again, you really need to stop putting words in people's mouths. What I said there, and what anyone who took 5 seconds to think rationally got out of that sentence before you started spewing shit all over it, is that regardless of what I think about DropBear's alignment (and for the record, I think he's more green than not. Scummy, possibly, but not confirmed scum), I want to see people post more. We're on only 17 pages halfway through the first day, which is kind of sad. I want more content. DropBear's providing it. I'm for lynching any of the semi-actives - that is, the people who are just contributing one liners and sheeping along to do the bare minimum to fly under the radar. Inactives = people who haven't noticed the game's started yet, people in different time zones who are sleeping, or people who don't care about the game. No reason wasting a vote on them - modkills will get them soon enough. The real area where mafia are probably lurking are the semi-actives - the guys who have posted a few times to be able to say "hey, I was here", but haven't contributed anything of substance or worth to the discussion. That doesn't include DropBear right now. At the very least, he's provoking discussion both about his silly fake-mayor plan, and about whether or not he's red. He's defending himself and providing some alternate ideas. (Although, DropBear, "I will do so if it becomes necessary"? Really? That's not doing you any favors, bro). Right now, my list of semi-actives include: wherebugsgo, hiro protagonist, Foolishness, and JeeJee (when you read his posts, they don't contribute nearly as much as they do ask questions that go unanswered). I'm open to adding more to that list tho. So let's start talking about those guys! JeeJee is the most suspicious to me right now: He's posted the most, but I see not all that much in his posts... it looks to me as though he's trying to post while not adding anything of value to town discussion. Just a gut feeling, but I still feel a lot better about lynching him than I do DropBear.Anyway, long story short: You read things out of my post that didn't exist, those things are the entire basis of your case against me, your case against me sucks, gg, try harder. ##Vote: JeeJee The first sentence is interesting. He makes a point that he did not say what I called him out for, yet he implied it? What's the difference? The mindset he's working in is the same. I ask that everyone reads the post above carefully, and preferably often. Look at what he's saying. He's basically throwing a one-line accusation towards JeeJee in an attempt to divert the discussion off himself and DropBear. The bolded sentence is another one of interest. I don't actually understand how he's going to scumhunt if he actively states that "mafia is amongst the semi-actives". Well sherlock, if you tell us that you're going for semi-active people, won't the mafia just stop being semi-active? And note that he himself is definitely not amongst the semi-actives, so he cannot be mafia, by his theory. This case against JeeJee is basically just a throw-away case, BB knows well enough that JeeJee is not going to get lynched based on this case, and he's happy to look like he's not supporting a town lynch while throwing an off-vote on some random "semi-active". On August 20 2011 09:55 BrownBear wrote:
It's cute that you tell everyone I'm wrong without explaining exactly why I'm wrong.
lern2backupyouraccusations Interesting that he calls out for other people to back up their accusations, yet your entire case against JeeJee is: So let's start talking about those guys! JeeJee is the most suspicious to me right now: He's posted the most, but I see not all that much in his posts... it looks to me as though he's trying to post while not adding anything of value to town discussion. Just a gut feeling, but I still feel a lot better about lynching him than I do DropBear. Re-read his posts. Look at them from the point of view he is scum, understand what motivations he might have for posting like this if he's town. I think we have a great lynch candidate here town. BrownBear is scum
##Vote BrownBear
Forgive me if I'm just misreading what you wrote but are you saying BB is suspicious cause he wants to focus on inactives/lurkers because of the statement:
If DropBear's gonna be active and making plans, I'm inclined to NOT lynch him day 1, because it means one less inactive jackass dragging us down. Plus, the more active he is, the sooner he'll slip up if he actually is scum.
when Navillus' main point day 1 was basically let's focus on killing as many inactives as possible, this will put the fear in them and make them more active and Foolishness' main point for wanting a mig lynch over a sevryn lynch is also about how sevryn will be more active?
It's more about opportunity cost at this point. If Sevryn is mafia we can expect him to be inactive the rest of today, tonight, and tomorrow if we leave him alone. If he's town he will be active and posting his own thoughts. Half way through tomorrow it should be immediately clear what his role is.
Also your point mentions one anecdotal example of "that's how I thought as mafia", which I hardly think is strong evidence of anything.
Can I ask why you went after BB for one reason while you were silent about the others that also fell into that reason? Why not go after narvillus or foolishness? Harder targets?
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Mig/Vain. Either one. Pick one and lynch the fuck out of them. If Mig flips scum I'm willing to look at Palmar as more of a townie. If Vain flips scum I'm willing to give Foolishness another look see.
Neither Foolishness nor Palmar give me a warm fuzzy feeling atm but looking at how Mig and Vain hammered home the lynch on Sevryn without so much as a howdy do I am pretty certain one of them is scum if not both.
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Also, I forgot to mention that I agree with curu and foolish about vain. We all noticed his strange post near the end of day 1; I think he is a suspect as well.
For similar reasons, I think we should keep Trotske in mind. I'll focus on these 4 and our job as town today is to narrow our suspicions down to two lynch targets.
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Oh right and mig obv lol forgot him
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On August 23 2011 00:41 Jackal58 wrote:
Mig/Vain. Either one. Pick one and lynch the fuck out of them. If Mig flips scum I'm willing to look at Palmar as more of a townie. If Vain flips scum I'm willing to give Foolishness another look see.
Neither Foolishness nor Palmar give me a warm fuzzy feeling atm but looking at how Mig and Vain hammered home the lynch on Sevryn without so much as a howdy do I am pretty certain one of them is scum if not both.
Where'd your Pyo accusation go?
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On August 23 2011 00:43 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 00:41 Jackal58 wrote:
Mig/Vain. Either one. Pick one and lynch the fuck out of them. If Mig flips scum I'm willing to look at Palmar as more of a townie. If Vain flips scum I'm willing to give Foolishness another look see.
Neither Foolishness nor Palmar give me a warm fuzzy feeling atm but looking at how Mig and Vain hammered home the lynch on Sevryn without so much as a howdy do I am pretty certain one of them is scum if not both.
Where'd your Pyo accusation go?
I'm still looking at him. I'm willing to admit my original statement may have contained an element of omgus. But he is lurking.
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On August 23 2011 00:40 chaoser wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Quote from Palmar] +On August 22 2011 18:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 18:08 Kurumi wrote:On August 22 2011 17:53 Palmar wrote:
*lurks* start being useful same goes to me, brb re-reading the thread. I think I've made my opinions pretty damn clear, but I've made some fundamental mistakes this game that stop town from considering my opinions as valid. I think I have laid down the most detailed analysis of someone in the thread that isn't completely based on meta, and I stand by my conclusions in that one. I'm fine with lynching Mig actually, there are multiple mafia in this game, and unlike sevryn I'd actually give him a 50% chance of flipping red. I'm much more convinced BB is scum though. I don't know Chaoser's meta so the argument made against him may therefore look weaker to me than it should. Hopefully others who know him will correctly push his lynch if they're right. Just to rehash, this remains my opinion: Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 22:20 Palmar wrote:BrownBear So, I decided to try a new tactic this game. Most towns spend day one arguing casually about policies and then lynch a scummy lurker. This is sometimes effective, sometimes kind of weird. This game I decided to just tear up the thread with some super-awesome tunneling on the first scummy fucker I found, and read responses by other people. There are two people who stick out to me as scummy from their reactions to my tunneling. Namely Sevryn and BrownBear. I feel more confident BrownBear is the scum of the two. There are quite a few things in BrownBear's logic that really scare me. First off, let's take a look at the post that initially raised my suspicions of him: On August 20 2011 03:35 BrownBear wrote:On August 20 2011 03:21 supersoft wrote:
no. Posts like this make me sad. Put some effort into the game. Palmar/DropBear, I'm starting to believe at least one of you isn't, however this could just as easily be two townies chest-pounding day 1, at which point mafia just sits back and watches the fireworks as one or both get lynched, town wastes time, and they don't have to do jack shit. Point being, Palmar, we know you want us to lynch DropBear. DropBear, we know you want us to not lynch you. Arguing about it just takes up space. So, DropBear, if you want us to not lynch you, name someone who you think would be a better lynch target, and why. If no better alternative presents itself, I'll vote for you over a no-lynch, and you're the only person really with votes currently on you, so I highly recommend giving us some reasons why your neck should be spared. And Palmar... you keep making statements like "nard's totally setting me up he's scum" or "dropbear's scum lets investigate by lynching him" without ANY backup. "Your first post was a question to mods ppl know YOU MUST BE COVERING YOUR TRACKS OMG MAFIA" does not constitute evidence. If DropBear's gonna be active and making plans, I'm inclined to NOT lynch him day 1, because it means one less inactive jackass dragging us down. Plus, the more active he is, the sooner he'll slip up if he actually is scum. Of course, lynching is preferable to no-lynching in 99.99% of cases, so I'll vote for him in the end if nobody else comes forth. But I want to see a better case from you regardless. Finally, DB's plan: in a perfect world, it'd be great, but I don't think an unofficial mayor will have the power necessary to break ties of more than one vote. Also, how do we know this mayor will be pro-town? How do we know you are pro-town? How do we know if ANYONE'S pro-town at this point? We don't really, so I think an unofficial "mayor" will just serve to clog the thread further, will draw med-protects away from people who really need them like blues, and will end up not benefitting town in any major way. I immediately called him out on the scum logic in his posts. I pointed out that one wouldn't have to make a big stretch to understand the bolded sentence as a free pass to anyone who was being active in the thread. Which conveniently enough also clears BB of any suspicion. He also mentions the possibility of two townies just shouting at each other. The reason this jumps so much out to me is that I used exactly the same logic as scum on day 1 in SNMMII as scum. I pointed out that two loudmouths were probably just townies shouting at each other and then I suggested that the real threat are the inactive people. Deflecting lynches onto inactives is mafia's favorite way of playing day 1.BrownBear's defense of this, is that I'm twisting his words. But can anyone honestly says he understands the bolded sentence in any other way than BrownBear wants to kill off inactive people over people who are active, because the active people will reveal themselves as scum at some point. Next post, after demanding contribution from me: On August 20 2011 06:52 BrownBear wrote:On August 20 2011 04:05 Palmar wrote:On August 20 2011 03:53 BrownBear wrote:
I don't think I have... please quote where you're getting that from.
The only thing I can think of is in my large post, where I said if DB is gonna be active I'm less inclined to lynch him. This means I'm less inclined to lynch DB right now, NOT that I'm "heavily advocating lynching a lurker". Please don't put words into my mouth. Here you go: On August 20 2011 03:35 BrownBear wrote:
If DropBear's gonna be active and making plans, I'm inclined to NOT lynch him day 1, because it means one less inactive jackass dragging us down. Plus, the more active he is, the sooner he'll slip up if he actually is scum. Of course, lynching is preferable to no-lynching in 99.99% of cases, so I'll vote for him in the end if nobody else comes forth.
Well, I read that as any scummy asshole with a plan is going to get a free bye on day 1, because you want to lynch someone inactive? Or does, the free pass on making plans and blanket statements to avoid the lynch only extend to a specific pool of people? I asked for something of substance and this is what I got? Oh, you. Ok, something you've pulled out of my reasoning that really just wasn't there. You're saying I want to lynch someone inactive. Not necessarily true. Implied, maybe, but NOT what I said. Again, you really need to stop putting words in people's mouths. What I said there, and what anyone who took 5 seconds to think rationally got out of that sentence before you started spewing shit all over it, is that regardless of what I think about DropBear's alignment (and for the record, I think he's more green than not. Scummy, possibly, but not confirmed scum), I want to see people post more. We're on only 17 pages halfway through the first day, which is kind of sad. I want more content. DropBear's providing it. I'm for lynching any of the semi-actives - that is, the people who are just contributing one liners and sheeping along to do the bare minimum to fly under the radar. Inactives = people who haven't noticed the game's started yet, people in different time zones who are sleeping, or people who don't care about the game. No reason wasting a vote on them - modkills will get them soon enough. The real area where mafia are probably lurking are the semi-actives - the guys who have posted a few times to be able to say "hey, I was here", but haven't contributed anything of substance or worth to the discussion. That doesn't include DropBear right now. At the very least, he's provoking discussion both about his silly fake-mayor plan, and about whether or not he's red. He's defending himself and providing some alternate ideas. (Although, DropBear, "I will do so if it becomes necessary"? Really? That's not doing you any favors, bro). Right now, my list of semi-actives include: wherebugsgo, hiro protagonist, Foolishness, and JeeJee (when you read his posts, they don't contribute nearly as much as they do ask questions that go unanswered). I'm open to adding more to that list tho. So let's start talking about those guys! JeeJee is the most suspicious to me right now: He's posted the most, but I see not all that much in his posts... it looks to me as though he's trying to post while not adding anything of value to town discussion. Just a gut feeling, but I still feel a lot better about lynching him than I do DropBear.Anyway, long story short: You read things out of my post that didn't exist, those things are the entire basis of your case against me, your case against me sucks, gg, try harder. ##Vote: JeeJee The first sentence is interesting. He makes a point that he did not say what I called him out for, yet he implied it? What's the difference? The mindset he's working in is the same. I ask that everyone reads the post above carefully, and preferably often. Look at what he's saying. He's basically throwing a one-line accusation towards JeeJee in an attempt to divert the discussion off himself and DropBear. The bolded sentence is another one of interest. I don't actually understand how he's going to scumhunt if he actively states that "mafia is amongst the semi-actives". Well sherlock, if you tell us that you're going for semi-active people, won't the mafia just stop being semi-active? And note that he himself is definitely not amongst the semi-actives, so he cannot be mafia, by his theory. This case against JeeJee is basically just a throw-away case, BB knows well enough that JeeJee is not going to get lynched based on this case, and he's happy to look like he's not supporting a town lynch while throwing an off-vote on some random "semi-active". On August 20 2011 09:55 BrownBear wrote:
It's cute that you tell everyone I'm wrong without explaining exactly why I'm wrong.
lern2backupyouraccusations Interesting that he calls out for other people to back up their accusations, yet your entire case against JeeJee is: So let's start talking about those guys! JeeJee is the most suspicious to me right now: He's posted the most, but I see not all that much in his posts... it looks to me as though he's trying to post while not adding anything of value to town discussion. Just a gut feeling, but I still feel a lot better about lynching him than I do DropBear. Re-read his posts. Look at them from the point of view he is scum, understand what motivations he might have for posting like this if he's town. I think we have a great lynch candidate here town. BrownBear is scum
##Vote BrownBear Forgive me if I'm just misreading what you wrote but are you saying BB is suspicious cause he wants to focus on inactives/lurkers because of the statement: Show nested quote +If DropBear's gonna be active and making plans, I'm inclined to NOT lynch him day 1, because it means one less inactive jackass dragging us down. Plus, the more active he is, the sooner he'll slip up if he actually is scum. when Navillus' main point day 1 was basically let's focus on killing as many inactives as possible, this will put the fear in them and make them more active and Foolishness' main point for wanting a mig lynch over a sevryn lynch is also about how sevryn will be more active? Show nested quote +It's more about opportunity cost at this point. If Sevryn is mafia we can expect him to be inactive the rest of today, tonight, and tomorrow if we leave him alone. If he's town he will be active and posting his own thoughts. Half way through tomorrow it should be immediately clear what his role is. Also your point mentions one anecdotal example of "that's how I thought as mafia", which I hardly think is strong evidence of anything. Can I ask why you went after BB for one reason while you were silent about the others that also fell into that reason? Why not go after narvillus or foolishness? Harder targets?
I'm sorry, but your last 3 sentences are suspicious to me.
The whole "why aren't you going after this guy for the same reason you're going after that guy" is often used by scum to divert attention from one of their own (or themselves) to another player...
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It's also a good way to find scum...in fact, contradictory behavior is one of the BEST ways to find scum.
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What VE said. Contradictory behavior is one of the key ways to nail someone posting with an agenda, as their views are shaped based on what they want to accomplish rather than what they want to accomplish shaped based on what their views are.
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Foolishness made some correct observations on day 1. In addition he claimed a shot in a way I don't think Scumishness would've done. However, the medic who saved him should absolutely claim at some point, I've not concluded how and when is the best point to claim. I think claiming before this night would be stupid. Perhaps just as this night ends in case he gets shot? I don't know.
As for Navillus. I'd like you to figure out the answer by yourself. Go back and read the difference in tone how BrownBear was pushing his ideas and how Navillus was pushing his. Everything about Navillus screams enthusiastic townie at me. Filter out each's posts and look at the very, very notable difference in attitude.
I actually think Navillus is one of the less likely players in the game to be mafia at the moment.
I want to hear more from Mig. It really bothers me that Jackal is trying to somehow link my alignment to his flip, something he knows very well is ridiculously stupid to do as town, because townies have been wrong before, however it makes perfect sense as scum.
Care to explain this link Jackal?
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I'll add palmar to my list of analyses. Time to read his posts again
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On August 23 2011 00:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
Now, in light of JeeJee's hit we have to reconsider things a little. JeeJee was relatively inactive day 1, so mafia must've thought he was a blue. QS7 was probably targeted because he's a vet (correct me if I'm wrong) and he had some good analysis that I suggest you guys look at as well.
QuickSilver said that this was his first game, but he did contribute a lot while he was here, and mafia must've thought he was really dangerous...
I wantto call out a couple of people... Munk-E, you still hasnt posted anything since having a really aggressive attack against Sev
On August 20 2011 11:18 Munk-E wrote:Hi guys, sorry, I've been busy today. Personally, I think as of now Sevryn is our best target. I mean just look at this! Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 23:39 Sevryn wrote:
Right now DB is looking the scummiest imo and after what palmar did in Swedish house mafia I am inclined to trust him. That said if there is a good case against anyone else i would be willing to give DropBear another lookskie
## vote DropBear Now in my (very small) experience in this game, there is usually someone in each game who makes a post that appears very scummy, to the point you would think that scum wouldn't be dumb enough to post that. They always end up being scum. This is exactly the type of post, it's so obviously an attempt to blend in. He assumed a bandwagon would start, and wanted to get in early to avoid being called a band-wagoner. He later tries to completely backpedal after being asked about it by saying stuff like this Show nested quote +Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game. and this Show nested quote +That was my whole point I didn't say it was a pressure vote untill after he responded and I took my vote off because palmar has a shitty case and I didn't want people to lynch me because they thought I was just bandwagoning He just tries to bandwagon in his first post, and spends the rest of his posts trying to retract that and explain why he did that. I think that he is by far the scummiest. ##vote Sevryn
That is the ONLY post you have this entire game of any meaning, and I'd like you to contribute something... What do you think of the names being put up so far today... What do you think of me... something, ANYTHING
Another person i'd like to call out is hiro protagonist...
All your posts so far in the game have been either little one-line questions to get peoples opinions without showing your own at all, or they've been defending Palmar... Also, the fact that you actually acknowledged quicksilver as a threat is pretty damning:
On August 19 2011 13:54 hiro protagonist wrote:
QuickSilver7 gets my vote for best opening post.
On August 20 2011 17:05 hiro protagonist wrote:
Also, Im gonna say it again: QuickSilver7's posts are fucking awesome. I dont care if he thinks Im scummy.
It also seemed to me that you were trying really hard to look like you were contributing when people started switching from Sev to me, without actually contributing anything the rest of the game except for one-line questions. We don't know what your opinion is on anything, and everytime someone asks you a question, you just pop right back with another question instead of actually answering it. As of right now, I'm putting my vote on you until you contribute something useful, like a reason to not vote you...
##vote Hiro Protagonist
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On August 23 2011 00:56 Palmar wrote:
Foolishness made some correct observations on day 1. In addition he claimed a shot in a way I don't think Scumishness would've done. However, the medic who saved him should absolutely claim at some point, I've not concluded how and when is the best point to claim. I think claiming before this night would be stupid. Perhaps just as this night ends in case he gets shot? I don't know.
....why are you blue fishing the Medic? Foolishness is in no danger of being lynched at the moment, there are a million scummier people in this Town.
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On August 23 2011 00:59 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 00:56 Palmar wrote:
Foolishness made some correct observations on day 1. In addition he claimed a shot in a way I don't think Scumishness would've done. However, the medic who saved him should absolutely claim at some point, I've not concluded how and when is the best point to claim. I think claiming before this night would be stupid. Perhaps just as this night ends in case he gets shot? I don't know.
....why are you blue fishing the Medic? Foolishness is in no danger of being lynched at the moment, there are a million scummier people in this Town.
Are you being intentionally thick?
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On August 23 2011 01:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 00:59 Curu wrote:On August 23 2011 00:56 Palmar wrote:
Foolishness made some correct observations on day 1. In addition he claimed a shot in a way I don't think Scumishness would've done. However, the medic who saved him should absolutely claim at some point, I've not concluded how and when is the best point to claim. I think claiming before this night would be stupid. Perhaps just as this night ends in case he gets shot? I don't know.
....why are you blue fishing the Medic? Foolishness is in no danger of being lynched at the moment, there are a million scummier people in this Town. Are you being intentionally thick?
I see no reason to disbelieve Foolisness's claim, especially with the RBer add-on. If no one gets RBed the rest of the game, he comes under suspicion and Foolishness makes sense as a N1 hit.
I see no reason for the Medic to out himself to "confirm" a guy who shouldn't need to be confirmed at this point anyways.
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On August 23 2011 01:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 00:59 Curu wrote:On August 23 2011 00:56 Palmar wrote:
Foolishness made some correct observations on day 1. In addition he claimed a shot in a way I don't think Scumishness would've done. However, the medic who saved him should absolutely claim at some point, I've not concluded how and when is the best point to claim. I think claiming before this night would be stupid. Perhaps just as this night ends in case he gets shot? I don't know.
....why are you blue fishing the Medic? Foolishness is in no danger of being lynched at the moment, there are a million scummier people in this Town. Are you being intentionally thick?
Foolish was saved by a medic or he's scum. Eventually we have to figure out which. I'm not opposed to Palmar's thinking in that way. It's either that or we don't and assume that Scumishness will slip up somehow. No one is above a scum-slip on occasion.
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