EPTTL Mafia XLIV - Page 39
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On August 22 2011 18:23 Mig wrote: You know palmar you could actually put the effort in to look at chaoser's past games, I even linked 39 earlier. Instead of just relying on other people to form your opinion for you. I can only push one lynch target today. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On August 22 2011 11:14 Foolishness wrote: I know...you could not believe how much my eyes widen when I got notified. First, you claim a RB and hit. Then Jackal points out the role description in which it clearly states that a RB + hit on a veteran will kill them. Then you softclaim veteran by the nature of your response to him. Then you absolutely refuse to confirm this soft claim, but shortly after have no problem confirming that it was actually a medic save rather than a vet's extra life. This whole hesitation just says scum to me, but maybe I'm the only one thinking it. Shortly after this we get into an interesting exchange with chaoser, Mig, and Foolishness. On August 22 2011 14:02 chaoser wrote: There is only conjecture as to who would hit you and also block you at the same time. This only matters, of course, if you're telling the truth. I've seen mafia claim to be roleblocked when they really haven't been, I really wouldn't put it pass mafia to claim they were also hit, especially if it's you who is claiming to be blocked. I'll have to sleep on this. That being said, mig, I have a question: you said that to foolishness about him using meta to place suspicions against you but then you turn around and post this: and yet have not provided examples of me acting the way I did as mafia. A bit hypocritical don't you think? What's with the flip flopping on stances? On one hand, you don't accept meta when it's against you, but on the other you use it freely against others? And to foolishness, mig seems like the one you are most suspicious of, and yet instead of voting for him and pushing hard, you backed off with a "I wouldn't mind lynching mig" followed by a "rayzorflash is an outstanding issue as well" When I was mafia in XXXVII I basically posted just that about a teammate and this was noted by Ver as something that mafia would do. Why aren't you pushing harder on mig? This is really a rather empty post. Look at it. What information does he actually bring to the table? He questions Foolishness' claim, points out a contradiction in Mig's posts, and questions Foolishness again. All of this ends with a vote on Mig that happens a few posts later, but...it's not an analysis on Mig. The majority of it is pushing Foolishness rather than Mig. On August 22 2011 14:40 Foolishness wrote: It's because I'm not sure what to make of the night events. I got roleblocked and shot. That's not something most people would do. Either way you got some pretty damning evidence against Mig there. ##Vote Mig And then holy shit did this just happen? His "damning evidence" was Mig having a different approach to analyzing a different situation. That's real scummy right there, Mig must be mafia for sure. In other words, I would expect waaay more from you Foolish. On August 22 2011 17:51 Mig wrote: Chaoser you are technically correct but really you are twisting my words around to try and make me appear scummy. Not all meta arguments are the same, you didn't see me disagreeing with other meta arguments foolish had made in the thread. But his meta argument about how my "attitude" was different and therefore mafia was incorrect. He provided no examples of me acting that way as mafia and that attitude hadn't done anything to hurt the town. My meta argument against you was completely different. As town I have seen you dominate and put a ton of effort into scum hunting. This game I see you writing complete fluff posts and providing no analysis while making an excuse for being busy. Anyone can look at your play in mafia 39 and see how different it is compared to this game. Foolishness' meta argument didn't show one way or the other whether I was town and it didn't show how I was harming the town with my play however your play style is a complete 180 from your normal town play and is considerably worse than normal for you. So instead of providing any real analysis this game you started off with A) writing fluff posts B) voted for me basically just saying yea I agree with foolish then disappeared before the lynch and now C) you are twisting my words around to make me appear scummy when it should be obvious how different my argument was from the one foolish made. #Vote: chaoser Here we've got an OMGUS from Mig, although what I feel is a justified one. His defense, just like chaoser's original accusation, feels false to me. I'm really not seeing anything genuine here. Mig as a player has a tendency to become very involved in the game, actively scumhunting, leading people, and basically taking control. This is such a passive defense, and is weak for such a strong player. I don't see much substance to it. This isn't an accusation of Mig, I just want to see if anyone else felt the same way about this post as I did. In summary: Foolish makes scummy half-claim chaoser votes for Mig based on a post that accused Foolish more than Mig Foolish votes Mig on chaoser's "damning evidence" Mig votes chaoser This whole sequence of events is weird. All three of these guys are good players. Why are so many strange posts coming from all three of them within such a short time? Right now, these three (and Palmar, but I'll leave you alone for today I think) are my biggest suspects, and I think Foolishness is most likely to be scum out of them. ##Vote: Foolishness And then something I feel needs to be tagged on the end here: On August 22 2011 17:53 Palmar wrote:*lurks* Oh look, it's Palmar! Was this a useful post? No. Was it necessary? No. So unless you're actually going to contribute something, please keep your posts to yourself. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Also, I don't take orders from scum chaos13. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
I still think we should just lynch BB today. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On August 22 2011 21:13 chaos13 wrote: So Foolishness. First, you claim a RB and hit. Then Jackal points out the role description in which it clearly states that a RB + hit on a veteran will kill them. Then you softclaim veteran by the nature of your response to him. Then you absolutely refuse to confirm this soft claim, but shortly after have no problem confirming that it was actually a medic save rather than a vet's extra life. This whole hesitation just says scum to me, but maybe I'm the only one thinking it. Shortly after this we get into an interesting exchange with chaoser, Mig, and Foolishness. This is really a rather empty post. Look at it. What information does he actually bring to the table? He questions Foolishness' claim, points out a contradiction in Mig's posts, and questions Foolishness again. All of this ends with a vote on Mig that happens a few posts later, but...it's not an analysis on Mig. The majority of it is pushing Foolishness rather than Mig. And then holy shit did this just happen? His "damning evidence" was Mig having a different approach to analyzing a different situation. That's real scummy right there, Mig must be mafia for sure. In other words, I would expect waaay more from you Foolish. Here we've got an OMGUS from Mig, although what I feel is a justified one. His defense, just like chaoser's original accusation, feels false to me. I'm really not seeing anything genuine here. Mig as a player has a tendency to become very involved in the game, actively scumhunting, leading people, and basically taking control. This is such a passive defense, and is weak for such a strong player. I don't see much substance to it. This isn't an accusation of Mig, I just want to see if anyone else felt the same way about this post as I did. In summary: Foolish makes scummy half-claim chaoser votes for Mig based on a post that accused Foolish more than Mig Foolish votes Mig on chaoser's "damning evidence" Mig votes chaoser This whole sequence of events is weird. All three of these guys are good players. Why are so many strange posts coming from all three of them within such a short time? Right now, these three (and Palmar, but I'll leave you alone for today I think) are my biggest suspects, and I think Foolishness is most likely to be scum out of them. ##Vote: Foolishness And then something I feel needs to be tagged on the end here: Oh look, it's Palmar! Was this a useful post? No. Was it necessary? No. So unless you're actually going to contribute something, please keep your posts to yourself. hi chaos13. Where were you at the end of day1? Why have you kept your vote on Palmar? Why did you lurk until right now? What's your opinion towards RayzorFlash? How do you think about the fact that our Vigilante accused xtfftc and died night1. What do you think about xtfftc? this attack on Foolishness is completely unnecessary. Foolishness has been absolutely not scummy until the point when he got shot. If I were a medic, he would have been one of the persons I would have considered to protect. Moreover I understand Foolishness vote on mig but I don't agree. As I said before, we should focus RayzorFlash right now. If he's guilty, we got a lot of informations about all the people that were afk during the end of day1. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
I want to lynch Rayzorflash, chaos13, nard and xtfftc right now! | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
But if we assume he's telling the truth, I very much doubt he'd have the balls as mafia to post the way he's done, so I'd like to remove him from the discussion as of now. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On August 22 2011 21:38 supersoft wrote: hi chaos13. Where were you at the end of day1? Why have you kept your vote on Palmar? Why did you lurk until right now? I was asleep in bed. I kept my vote on Palmar because I felt he was scum. You'll notice I posted that I was switching to Rayzor because I didn't want to see sevryn lynched, but we had a power outage as I was going to put it in the voting thread. I'm not usually very active on D1, but I get more involved as the game goes on and I have an easier time keeping track of things. What's your opinion towards RayzorFlash? After filtering his posts and reading through them, I think he's probably town. Since he's a new player, if he ended up getting mafia he would probably have a very nervous disposition. From what I can see he's confident, and explains all his actions/ideas. How do you think about the fact that our Vigilante accused xtfftc and died night1. What do you think about xtfftc? At the beginning of the game I had a town read on him. At the moment I'm not so sure. I imagine the reason Quicksilver died was because he was doing really, really good. His posts were pro-town and more reasonable than anyone elses. I highly doubt it was a blue snipe or because he was onto someone. this attack on Foolishness is completely unnecessary. Foolishness has been absolutely not scummy until the point when he got shot. If I were a medic, he would have been one of the persons I would have considered to protect. Moreover I understand Foolishness vote on mig but I don't agree. If I think he's scum, I'll attack him. Deal with it. As I said before, we should focus RayzorFlash right now. If he's guilty, we got a lot of informations about all the people that were afk during the end of day1. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On August 22 2011 17:42 supersoft wrote: i am not convinced of that migthing now... He has been pretty useless so far and refused to do something at the end of day1. But I think it's too early to judge mig. I think we should talk about the result of the rayzoflash-incident first. The common sense at the end of day1 - i am talking about the last 4 hours - was that sev is most likely innocent. However we didn't manage to achieve a new majority for a rayzorflashlynch. Basically there are two possibilities now. First possiblity is, that Rayzor is innocent and the scumteam didn't do anything to influence the outcome of the last 4 hours, because they just didn't care. They would have voted Rayzor and sev together with the town. If that would be the case, the reason why we couldn't swing the votecount is the random inactivity in general. But I don't believe that so many people just weren't here for no reason. I believe the scumteam stayed inactive because they wanted to protect rayzor. And there is the second possibility: Rayzor is scum. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. And i'd also like to hear some reasons for your inactivity @all the ppl who weren't there to vote. so you think Rayzorflash is innocent and all the people were afk like you were... interesting and I don't buy it. But let's see what happens in the next 12 hours... i'd like to hear something from xtfftc, nard, BB, DB and RayzorFlash. Where are you? | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
First thing's first. Do you have any major suspicions. If it's up to you and you only, whom would you lynch today? | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
On August 22 2011 22:25 xtfftc wrote: You know, here and there. Where are you? Hes actually contributing. I am at work and do not have much time, I will be available in roughly 3 hours I guess A quick question to the experienced guys : Are you focusing on the guys you know so much because they have the potential to be more dangerous? Because Nard, xtfftc and Vain are just scummy as fuck. On August 21 2011 10:38 Foolishness wrote: Can someone remind me tomorrow that we should kill Vain? | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On August 22 2011 22:40 Erandorr wrote: Hes actually contributing. I am at work and do not have much time, I will be available in roughly 3 hours I guess A quick question to the experienced guys : Are you focusing on the guys you know so much because they have the potential to be more dangerous? Because Nard, xtfftc and Vain are just scummy as fuck. i don't understand this either. I agree with your 3 targets, and I completely forgot about vain! | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On August 22 2011 22:33 Palmar wrote: Yes, I have quite a few questions. are you available for a conversation? First thing's first. Do you have any major suspicions. If it's up to you and you only, whom would you lynch today? Sure. I'm still just as suspicious of Rayzor as I saw two days ago. His defense ("would a mafia say this?") did not convince me because he was in a position when he had to say something like this. However, just like to days ago, I think that he is someone who should be pressured to talk more until he makes another mistake or we are convinced he is town. Even if he is mafia, he is not particularly dangerous at the moment because he can not influence the town at the moment. This is why at the moment I'd go for Mig. Although he improved after his early post about Sevryn, he did not provide anything substantial. Also, although a lot of people casted their vote for Sevryn and then went to bed, Mig did it in in the middle tha attempted switch to Rayzor. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
First off, after re-reading everything you've posted I find it hard to believe you are scum because of this little thing here, from the post where you originally voted for me: On August 20 2011 10:14 chaos13 wrote: The bolded is probably the scummiest thing about DB at the moment. You say that as if Palmar is confirmed town "I hope you didn't land vigi..." Any explanation for this? You see, I don't see why any mafia would ever point this out, because it basically is giving credit to someone who is controversial. Sure, you may not have followed through and voted on me anyway, but it's still something to consider. Some people might actually believe you and consider this a scumslip by DB, and by extension a confirmation of myself. Thing is there are some things in your posting that make absolutely no sense though. Like are you seriously posting shit like this? On August 22 2011 03:39 chaos13 wrote: I point out your scumminess and suddenly I'm scum, and apparently should be vigi hit. Viscera points out your scumminess and he's town. HMMMMMMM and this (anyone who has ever played with VE, knows why this post is super-scummy) On August 22 2011 03:36 chaos13 wrote: Finally somebody smart gets in here. I can't believe people let Palmar away so easily. Let's assume for a second you don't think I am scum, and in turn I'll think for a second you might be town aligned. What would you think about lynching BrownBear. I will give my thoughts on your lynch target of choice after I've done re-reading his posts. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
Posting a lot =/= contributing. He is missing a lot of things in his analyses. For example, first he jumped on me and Nard for not being convinced that Sevryn was mafia and waiting for him. After the lynch, he goes on and on about us not being there to change our votes, although he is also from Europe and should be well aware that the deadline was 4AM. And guess what - Sevryn wasn't mafia. Similarly, he refers to QuickSilver as the vigilante when mentioning that QuickSilver was after me as if QS's role somehow gave extra weight to his opinion. As I've said before, I don't think that Supersoft is mafia but I think that if he focuses more on quality rather than quantity, his posts would be much better. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On August 22 2011 23:17 xtfftc wrote: Posting a lot =/= contributing. He is missing a lot of things in his analyses. For example, first he jumped on me and Nard for not being convinced that Sevryn was mafia and waiting for him. After the lynch, he goes on and on about us not being there to change our votes, although he is also from Europe and should be well aware that the deadline was 4AM. And guess what - Sevryn wasn't mafia. Similarly, he refers to QuickSilver as the vigilante when mentioning that QuickSilver was after me as if QS's role somehow gave extra weight to his opinion. As I've said before, I don't think that Supersoft is mafia but I think that if he focuses more on quality rather than quantity, his posts would be much better. this is no example. You just post things about me in general and try to attack my credibility by saying that I do a lot of posts but there is no content in them. Why don't you share your thoughts on the Rayzorlight thing. Do you believe, that he's town and everyone was just randomly afk at the deciding point of time? | ||
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