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On January 17 2012 07:21 hiro protagonist wrote:


This post stuck out at me. The bolded part is what really stands out in this post. Its true. In the games I have played with sand as scum (PTP:I) after day 2, he just gave up for the most part. however, that he says that his scum play is bad is not the case at all. I think sandroba is one of the best day 1 scum players here. He will often go out of his way to do things that scum would never do on day 1, making pining him down as scum later in the game as hard to do. He makes a strong day 1 showing his game plan so he can ride on it for a few cycles as he gets more lazy, to use his own words. So what happened In PYP:I day 1?

*He devises a plan for how town should pick there roles, argues against people trying to put up other plans, and re-works the plan with the obviously townie and eventually Mayor Radfield. This plan adopted for the most part by a lot of townies results in a very strong set of roles for town.

*He get very active in PM land with a group of players that come to control the rest of the game. later on, WBG starts to really tunnel sandroba for being scum, but he can not convenience anyone else that sand is scum a la "look how pro town he is", this despite the fact that for the whole game he did NO SCUM HUNTING. he lives till the end of the game despite mostly giving up after day 2 because of his infiltration of the town circle and there read on him as town.

So far We have many Day 1 similarity's:



Here we have Sand making plans again. as well as budding up to players like protract and BC. Mass claiming Masons in this set up can be argued both ways as to whom it favors. In reality, it depends on how we go about it. These things are not scummy per say, but its how he is going about it that is. His motivations are for insuring his own safety, rather than scum hunting. which brings me to point 2.

Mayoral campaign and lynch

Sandroba wants to be mayor, and sandroba wants to lynch Cyriandor. This is what he says, but his actions say otherwise. Does anyone think sand was trying hard to get elected? Not from where I sit. His "campaign" is full of "Hey guys im good, elect me lawl im drunk!" He was running for mayor but had know intentions of getting elected. This allows him to push his "lynch", which Wont happen because he does not want to get elected. He does a great job of convincing us that Cyriandor is scum with powerful logic: "hes ugly and he smells bad". For added effect, he says it twice. Does anyone think that Sandroba is trying to convince town on his position? Because I can tell you he is not. His Modivation for these post is not one of getting scum lynch, but as a set up should Cyriandor flip later (whitch he knows is scum) to put him in a strong position. If he was town, He would have both tried harder to get elected and pushed Cyriandor harder.

Later in day 1 he sets up alternate lynches as well:


Giving himself an out. not the town Sandroba I know.

*Sandroba's play is consistent with his day 1 scum play from previous games. He has proven he is willing to go out of his way to act very protown, both by pushing plans that can be in towns interest, as well as lightly busing his own teammates.

*Sandroba's Motivations are not to find scum, rather his over all behavior shows self preservation as his primary motivating factor in his posting. This is in direct opposition to what town Sandroba does. Town Sandroba does not have to worry about looking town because he finds scum. Scum Sandroba does, at it reflects in his behavior this game.

*Sandroba is Mafia

##Vote: Sandroba

On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote:
READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMES

I am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies.

9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L.

Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo.

Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point.

Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude.

Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better.

kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this.

zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future.

Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character.

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Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh.

Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here.

DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT!

Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together.

Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching.

Macpo

Many others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included.

IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAIN

Also, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow.
##Vote: double lynch

On January 13 2012 15:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:

IIRC, Foolishness is one of the few people that actually....supports BM? Besides myself of course. And when you know BM...You just know BM...He's not that difficult of a read. (for Wiggs and Kita) I just think its rather funny Foolishness is pushing for someone else to be mayor, when he himself dies like almost every Day one. I would rather just vote for Foolishness to be completely honest, but Kitaman as of right now is who I'm thinking of. Past games I've played with him we was pretty damned good, and he's actually wanting the position.

Are you planning on be really active Foolishness?

Also, I probably need to go to fucking bed, 1:30EST and I work at 7...-_-

The Mason this game is more just about whispering it looks like. It really isn't that strong in the game. They can't create circles or nothing. They can disseminate roles privately I suppose but the threat is always there that the mason is mafia. As you yourself might be BC. I don't really see too much power in the role as of the moment. Especially if you play the game as such as to ignore pms.

On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus.

So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries*

Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy. Welcome back.