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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On August 03 2011 05:12 Lucidity wrote: YM and others: Can you please stop going on about a mass roleclaim TO A CONFIRMED TOWNIE being a bad thing? It's getting tiresome. Its not bad, its unrealistic. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Not only is it unrealistic, it has been the focus of the entire Day 1 discussion, which has not only stunted the amount of analysis available later on, but it is allowing scum to hide behind this stupid discussion. Some of the scum are probably hiding, some are probably pushing the discussion forward knowing that: A. It is a bad plan B. It will never happen | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On August 02 2011 11:07 Munk-E wrote: But player x is protected in this case, and they wouldn't shoot player Y! They'd shoot player Z because shooting Y would give away the role and if x was the obvious one to protect, they'd assume he was protected. That being said I highly doubt there are 2 medics anyways so if this situation does arise, I would be VERY suspicious of both of them. As for the plan, I'm quite worried about it. We would have a confirmed townie, which could be nice IF he could manage to efficiently manage the entire game. It seems a bit risky if they're not very good, they might screw it up and reveal roles. Also, the medic would be tied to defending this one person the entire time no matter what. If someone shows they are DT or vigi, then the mafia will just shoot both if we haven't killed 2 by then. In the mean time, the mafia could just kill him outright, or pick 2 people they KNOW won't be protected, and it's entirely up to them. If they do kill him, then we have (likely) 2 dead townies, and be back to square 1! No confirmed townie, just a dead guy, and the guy he killed.I kind of think that people are hoping he does hit a Mafia, but I really don't see the logic in this plan. It's more likely he'll hit someone important on our team than a mafia. In the end, i suppose it's entirely up to the dayvigi if the plan goes through, but it just seems highly illogical to me. Just pointing out this post. Hi Munk-E, got a post that isn't just rehashing what everyone else said in the thread? | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
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DropBear
Australia4374 Posts
 + Show Spoiler + Noone ever likes sandroba's plans lol | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On August 03 2011 05:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: its honestly so obvious and simple why the plan wont work idk why we're still talking about it Then lets start disscussing lynch options. I like Varpulis for the D1 lynch. Im going to read up on Mig afterwords. Varpulis: -Wishy-washy -Rolefishing ESPECIALLY under the circumstances of this role-fish. -Says hes going to PM lurkers to try to maintain activity, decides to back down from it. -His first game post is really generic wanting to contribute without really contributing general advice post. He also puts a picture of a BLU engineer as if hes trying to establish his innocence. -Defends himself with Meta instead of hard facts. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote: and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum. I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet. Hi Varpulis, wtf? | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On August 03 2011 05:20 Lucidity wrote: If it's such a waste of time why are you dedicating any time at all to it anymore? I don't think there has been serious majority support for the plan for long now, so there's no reason for you to talk about it. Every Day 1 has to start in some useless way before there's something to discuss. Why not use the posts that have been generated by this plan to start some discussion which you think might be useful? Then drop it, you brought it back up earlier. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
Oh add this to my points as well. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On August 03 2011 05:24 OriginalName wrote: Then lets start disscussing lynch options. I like Varpulis for the D1 lynch. Im going to read up on Mig afterwords. Varpulis: -Wishy-washy -Rolefishing ESPECIALLY under the circumstances of this role-fish. -Says hes going to PM lurkers to try to maintain activity, decides to back down from it. -His first game post is really generic wanting to contribute without really contributing general advice post. He also puts a picture of a BLU engineer as if hes trying to establish his innocence. -Defends himself with Meta instead of hard facts. Yeah, I hated his first day post. I'd be down with lynching Varpulis Day 1, his posts are long but basically say nothing at all and he is wishy washy as hell. This might just be that he is a bad townie because he did say this fits his town meta? I've never played with him before in my memory so I don't know. I like syllogism. He's parroting mig_ without directly acknowleding him and as soon as I called him out he sent me a PM that came off as a big attempt to diffuse my aggression toward him when he was being antagonistic to me before. Now that I'm actually voting for him maybe he's sweating. [quote]Original Mesage From DoctorHelvetica: weird why didn't you mention that before then [quote]Original Message From syllogism: The only reason I pmed you was because I felt bad about you quitting the game for such a trivial reason and really thought you were upset about it [quote]Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: what was the point [quote]Original Message From syllogism: That wasn't the intention, why would it be [quote]Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: ok this pm did nothing for you [quote]Original Message From syllogism: Well you were being antagonistic too =P [quote]Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: its a bad plan because the mafia will kill the dayvig, that's the best action at night 1 for them considering there are probably already 2 dead townies if the plan goes through the mafia know that. this isn't a mason role, there is no way to do it in secret thats why its bad. we aren't going to win this game through a mass claim plan, it isn't designed for that to really be a possibility i'm ma dbecause you were being antagonistic and calling me stupid and then twisting my argument and making it sound like im saying things im not lol [quote]Original Message From syllogism: I fully understand your point and in fact as you can see in the thread I've stated I believe it's better to wait until later for the mass claim, precisely due to the lack of information (things might have been different if the thread was more active). However, simply saying it's a bad plan because the vig will always be more accurate later isn't sufficient as there are other things that have to be taken into account; for instance the likelihood of the vig dying and the effect of postponing the information gained from mass claim until a later date. I don't know why you get so mad about this.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote] | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On August 03 2011 05:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Yeah, I hated his first day post. I'd be down with lynching Varpulis Day 1, his posts are long but basically say nothing at all and he is wishy washy as hell. This might just be that he is a bad townie because he did say this fits his town meta? I've never played with him before in my memory so I don't know. I like syllogism. He's parroting mig_ without directly acknowleding him and as soon as I called him out he sent me a PM that came off as a big attempt to diffuse my aggression toward him when he was being antagonistic to me before. Now that I'm actually voting for him maybe he's sweating. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:11 Lucidity wrote: So we've already found 2 scum in redFF and DoctorHelvetica who are opposing the plan without any real reasons? Good stuff. A confirmed townie coordinating blues is brilliant. The only problem I can see is if scum impersonates medics. That could give away blue roles/leave our soldier vulnerable. Solution? Just have all medics protect the soldier for night 1. 1 Night of coordinated abilities is quite powerful and we'll have more info on Day 2. Apparently because people opposed a plan which has very real and obvious faults and holes makes someone scum... Although at this stage he could be just a dumb/inexperienced player not thinking. But calling me and DrH scum because we disagree with the plan is pretty funny. On August 02 2011 09:01 Lucidity wrote: How will he figure out who the other vig shots are aimed at? How will a fake medic find out who the other medics are protecting? Who said the plan is faultless? I think I'll take your advice and vote for you! ##vote redFF If there isn't a great candidate for day vig I agree with heist's Day 2 proposal. We don't really want to use our vigi's and hatters on Night 1 anyway, do we? Confirmed townie might be more effective on Day 2. The only problem is the risk of losing him on Night 1... So he see's a vote for me and thinks he can start an easy bandwagon on someone because at that stage in the game the plan had a lot of support. My point was a scum could be like-protecting this guy and if the confirmed townie said don't the scum could infer that that guy already had medic protection. We've already established the plan has major flaws esp on day 1 so i won't go back into that. The vote though doesn't really have any reasoning apart from attacking the plan, the points i was making were valid imo. Also he didn't actually vote for me in the thread, which I find pretty funny. That just seems like mafia trying to kick off a bandwagon and the turning around and looking at the votes and calling people scummy when i flip town... On August 03 2011 05:20 Lucidity wrote: If it's such a waste of time why are you dedicating any time at all to it anymore? I don't think there has been serious majority support for the plan for long now, so there's no reason for you to talk about it. Every Day 1 has to start in some useless way before there's something to discuss. Why not use the posts that have been generated by this plan to start some discussion which you think might be useful? Ok then don't ask other people to do it just do it. This post is complete shit, all it does is ask other people to contribute when he hasn't even contributed himself. ##Vote Lucidity | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
Are all possible roles listed in the op? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On August 03 2011 05:48 redFF wrote: Also nowhere in the op does it say that all the roles listed are the only roles in the game. Technically we could have a mafia dayvig :O. Are all possible roles listed in the op? Yes, there are NO SECRET ROLES. | ||
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