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On August 03 2011 04:53 Mig wrote:
I have a pretty simple defense. People should actually read my posts. Where have I backed down after putting pressure on people? What mafia objectives have I pushed? Look at the questions I asked varp and JeeJee. Was I trying to slander them or cast suspicion on them to look like I was fake contributing? Or was I asking legitimate questions that the town should be asking.
The town has almost no activity and I am actively trying to get people to post in IRC. What a scummy thing for me to do! I have pmd half the people in town asking them for their opinions. And I have no problem with giving my opinions on people. No one has to force me to contribute.
So just ask yourself if my play is helping the town or helping mafia. If you think I am helping mafia feel free to lynch me.
youre asking everyone to contribute but you aren't contributing anything except bad arguments in irc
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On August 03 2011 04:49 Lucidity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote:On August 03 2011 02:43 Mig wrote:
Varp every post you make screams wishy washy to me. Where is the confident Varpulis I have played with in the past? Every opinion you give you list the pros and cons and then you end up taking a pretty neutral stance. I haven't seen you have a strong opinion of anything yet.
If you had to vote for someone right now who would it be for and why? Do you find anyone besides red scummy? I got called out for wishy washiness in PTP (day 1) as well. Day 1 nothing is solid, there's rarely anything to base arguments off of until late in the day, and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum.[/b] I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet. [b]By the way, if we're going ahead with the plan, could we have a soldier/sniper claim? If there are none we need to reevaluate. Lol dude wtf? I'm struggling to find any non-scum motive for wanting such a claim. Could you provide me with one? And you're focused on maintaining your appearance as an active townie instead of hunting scum? Good stuff.
Mig's going crazy at people for not providing great posts on IRC, yet he's not doing what he's hounding others to do? Scum often employ such strategies. What's the dealio, yo?
Yes, the famous scum strategy of trying to get people to be active when the thread is basically dead. He has been quite active in both PMs and in thread, comparatively.
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On August 03 2011 04:49 Lucidity wrote:
Mig's going crazy at people for not providing great posts on IRC, yet he's not doing what he's hounding others to do? Scum often employ such strategies. What's the dealio, yo?
I have more posts than almost anyone in the thread lol? Including writing the most coherent case against Varp. Find someone who has made a stronger case than that in this thread.
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On August 03 2011 04:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
youre asking everyone to contribute but you aren't contributing anything except bad arguments in irc
Feel free to find someone who has contributed more than I have in the thread.
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syllogism you have been nonstop defending Mig in IRC and evidently this thread too. You've been doing it the entire time I was arguing with Mig. The ENTIRE time. Mig pays you no attention but you keep backing him up on literally everything.
Why?
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On August 03 2011 04:56 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 04:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
youre asking everyone to contribute but you aren't contributing anything except bad arguments in irc Feel free to find someone who has contributed more than I have in the thread.
me
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im leaving this game i cant cope with how dumb this is already
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On August 03 2011 04:56 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 04:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
youre asking everyone to contribute but you aren't contributing anything except bad arguments in irc Feel free to find someone who has contributed more than I have in the thread.
Pushing for a mass roleclaim =/= contributing.
Pushing for a double lynch Day 1 =/= contributing.
Asking loaded questions in thread instead of PMs which you say you've been doing anyway =/= contributing.
Shoving words in my mouth the entire IRC conversation =/= contributing.
I don't know what you're doing but it isn't what you normally do.
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On August 03 2011 04:57 youngminii wrote:
syllogism you have been nonstop defending Mig in IRC and evidently this thread too. You've been doing it the entire time I was arguing with Mig. The ENTIRE time. Mig pays you no attention but you keep backing him up on literally everything.
Why?
Haha non-stop defending? The only thing I've defended him against is your awful logic
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On August 03 2011 04:58 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 04:57 youngminii wrote:
syllogism you have been nonstop defending Mig in IRC and evidently this thread too. You've been doing it the entire time I was arguing with Mig. The ENTIRE time. Mig pays you no attention but you keep backing him up on literally everything.
Why? Haha non-stop defending? The only thing I've defended him against is your awful logic
And Lucidity and DrH's apparently.
I don't get where you guys are getting the idea that a mass roleclaim AND a double lynch Day 1 is a good one, but you guys really have to cut it out.
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Also, syllogism:
[05:47] <DoctorHelvetica> if we go through with the plan
[05:47] <DoctorHelvetica> we lynch a townie
[05:47] <DoctorHelvetica> dayvig kills a townie
[05:47] <DoctorHelvetica> mafia double stack
[05:47] <DoctorHelvetica> the results
[05:47] <DoctorHelvetica> are exactly the same
[05:47] <DoctorHelvetica> as if nothing happened and the mafia killed 2
[05:47] <syllogism> dayvig and lynch may hit mafia
[05:47] <mig__> you do realize there we could hit a mafia
MY awful logic? Seriously?
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oh god kenpachi hm let me think about it
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GOD NO NOT KENPACHI ANYTHING BUT KENPACHI
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What's this about Kenpachi?
Anyways, this discussion is quickly devolving into spam/insults. The plan has been shown to be flawed and I think at this stage it is out of the question for now.
Also Varpulis-role fish much? Dayvigs don't claim lol.
If you are a dayvig you have to think, do I use my shot now and probably hit a townie and then die? Or do i wait and kill a mafia with a BOSS DAYKILL later in the game?
I'm still waiting on both YM, Drazerk and Lucidity to tell me why I am scum.
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On August 03 2011 04:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 04:49 Lucidity wrote:On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote:On August 03 2011 02:43 Mig wrote:
Varp every post you make screams wishy washy to me. Where is the confident Varpulis I have played with in the past? Every opinion you give you list the pros and cons and then you end up taking a pretty neutral stance. I haven't seen you have a strong opinion of anything yet.
If you had to vote for someone right now who would it be for and why? Do you find anyone besides red scummy? I got called out for wishy washiness in PTP (day 1) as well. Day 1 nothing is solid, there's rarely anything to base arguments off of until late in the day, and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum.[/b] I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet. [b]By the way, if we're going ahead with the plan, could we have a soldier/sniper claim? If there are none we need to reevaluate. Lol dude wtf? I'm struggling to find any non-scum motive for wanting such a claim. Could you provide me with one? And you're focused on maintaining your appearance as an active townie instead of hunting scum? Good stuff.
Mig's going crazy at people for not providing great posts on IRC, yet he's not doing what he's hounding others to do? Scum often employ such strategies. What's the dealio, yo? hey aren't you the one that was supporting this plan the most lol why are you taking the easy call out on varpulis for rolefishing when you were basically asking for the same thing lmfao
Where was I asking for public role claims? "lmao"
And I think you're mistaking my criticism of bad reasons to shut down the plan as support. Like I mentioned earlier, I was operating under the wrong assumption of mass blues. We likely don't have that many so the plan isn't as sexy as I initially thought it was. While there are valid reasons to oppose the plan, some people were presenting atrocious ones seemingly for the sole reason of stopping it - whether there was merit to it or not.
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there is absolutely no benefit to using the dayvig day 1 that would not be increased ten fold by waiting. the point of the vig role is to kill a mafia shooting randomly day 1 is not going to help and if we vote mafia will just manipulate the vig vote, it's a bad idea. syllogism says "your only argument is that vig shot is more accurate later" as if that doesn't matter lmao yes that is my main argument the other one is that the day vig cant run a town circle becuase mafia will just shoot him.
Look. The most LIKELY scenario (not 100% but very likely) is that we lynch a town and the dayvig kills a town. MAfia can afford to waste the KP to stack on the dayvig because they come out pretty ahead in this situation. Mafia gain:
3 town deaths
A broken town circle
wasting the day 1 discussion on the dayvig plan
town loses:
1 KP to use later
3 townies
So the dayvig should lay low and use his KP when we have a good idea about who the mafia team is. A solid DT check later in the game, etc. If there are double lynches in this game (idr if there are) we have the potential to kill 3 mafia in a day, dayvig is so strong later in the game. mig and syllogism are trying to make it sound like it doesn't matter WHEN the dayvig uses his shot and that's shockingly bad play. Mig has been playing for a while he's not this dumb. IDK who syllogism is so i could figure this is his first game and he just has no idea what he's doing but he's being so antagonistic to me in irc that i bet he's mafia, my votes on him becuase syllog/mig are saying the same shit without directly acknolweding eachother much and it's all anti town
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YM and others:
Can you please stop going on about a mass roleclaim TO A CONFIRMED TOWNIE being a bad thing? It's getting tiresome.
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On August 03 2011 05:10 Lucidity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 04:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 03 2011 04:49 Lucidity wrote:On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote:On August 03 2011 02:43 Mig wrote:
Varp every post you make screams wishy washy to me. Where is the confident Varpulis I have played with in the past? Every opinion you give you list the pros and cons and then you end up taking a pretty neutral stance. I haven't seen you have a strong opinion of anything yet.
If you had to vote for someone right now who would it be for and why? Do you find anyone besides red scummy? I got called out for wishy washiness in PTP (day 1) as well. Day 1 nothing is solid, there's rarely anything to base arguments off of until late in the day, and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum.[/b] I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet. [b]By the way, if we're going ahead with the plan, could we have a soldier/sniper claim? If there are none we need to reevaluate. Lol dude wtf? I'm struggling to find any non-scum motive for wanting such a claim. Could you provide me with one? And you're focused on maintaining your appearance as an active townie instead of hunting scum? Good stuff.
Mig's going crazy at people for not providing great posts on IRC, yet he's not doing what he's hounding others to do? Scum often employ such strategies. What's the dealio, yo? hey aren't you the one that was supporting this plan the most lol why are you taking the easy call out on varpulis for rolefishing when you were basically asking for the same thing lmfao Where was I asking for public role claims? "lmao" And I think you're mistaking my criticism of bad reasons to shut down the plan as support. Like I mentioned earlier, I was operating under the wrong assumption of mass blues. We likely don't have that many so the plan isn't as sexy as I initially thought it was. While there are valid reasons to oppose the plan, some people were presenting atrocious ones seemingly for the sole reason of stopping it - whether there was merit to it or not.
the dayvig plan is a public roleclaim plan. i didn't see the post where you redacted your support so my bad im not paying as much attention to the thread as I really should i've been busy .
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On August 03 2011 05:12 Lucidity wrote:
YM and others:
Can you please stop going on about a mass roleclaim TO A CONFIRMED TOWNIE being a bad thing? It's getting tiresome.
it is bad considering the circumstances. the confirmed townie isn't safe and it is at the expense of wasting a KP. Like I said, the mafia will simply kill this confirmed townie with a stacked hit, it's totally worth it from a mafia perspective. This is very different from a pair of masons, or something like that.
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