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Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
August 02 2011 21:02 GMT
#301
Here is where I said FoS on Lucidity.

On August 02 2011 23:07 Trotske wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 19:35 Lucidity wrote:
Haha, I guess I was still in the Asylum mindset with mass blue everywhere - somehow thought that all 7 blue roles listed would be in the game. ~4 blues make sense and we're very unlikely to have 2 medics in that, so a plan to coordinate them this early isn't actually that great.

I think the only time that we should be claiming is if Mafia only have 1 KP left or if a Day Vig hits a Vet, leaving us with 2 confirmed townies. One of them will survive the night and be able to pass on info~

redFF, forever RED?


As you will know from this post

Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 07:23 Kurumi wrote:
On August 02 2011 07:14 Curu wrote:
BLU Soldier
You don't care unless area is maggot free. You will blast them maggots when the sun is blazing hot!
Day Vigi with two shots. Type ##Rocket Player in the thread to use Your ability.

Kurumi/Palmar, when this guy shoots, does it get announced in thread regardless if the hit player dies or not?

There is no notification.


If a day vig trys to hit someone and they survive we have no way of knowing if they are both scum or a vig / vet .


No idea if you weren't reading the posts or just scum trying to slip this idea in to see if anyone would catch it.

FoS Lucidity



He then says this post

On August 03 2011 05:12 Lucidity wrote:
YM and others:

Can you please stop going on about a mass roleclaim TO A CONFIRMED TOWNIE being a bad thing? It's getting tiresome.


to me it seems like he still is trying to set up a fake vig / vet claim to find the blues.

add this scumminess to redFF's post and I feel we have a pretty good case vs Lucidity.

##Vote Lucidity


Lucidity
Profile Joined July 2010
South Africa603 Posts
August 02 2011 21:13 GMT
#302
On August 03 2011 05:32 redFF wrote:
on Lucidity.

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On August 02 2011 08:11 Lucidity wrote:
So we've already found 2 scum in redFF and DoctorHelvetica who are opposing the plan without any real reasons? Good stuff.

A confirmed townie coordinating blues is brilliant. The only problem I can see is if scum impersonates medics. That could give away blue roles/leave our soldier vulnerable. Solution? Just have all medics protect the soldier for night 1. 1 Night of coordinated abilities is quite powerful and we'll have more info on Day 2.

Apparently because people opposed a plan which has very real and obvious faults and holes makes someone scum... Although at this stage he could be just a dumb/inexperienced player not thinking. But calling me and DrH scum because we disagree with the plan is pretty funny.


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On August 02 2011 09:01 Lucidity wrote:
On August 02 2011 08:46 redFF wrote:
...lol post the irc chat please, that is not a decent reason. Regardless, have any of you guys a scum saying he's a vig and figuring out who the other shots are at? or a scum saying he's a medic and finding out who's protecting who? I've played games where everyone has claimed to a "confirmed townie" and scum have raped and taken advantage of this, so please don't tell me the plan is faultless. If a vig is willing to use his shot as a lynch then it's ok. But I'm really not sure that day 1 is the best time to have a double lynch. Yeah the day when we have the least information and most likely to lynch town is when we should double lynch!

There, that's my opinion if you think it's scummy then vote me. Draz post what was scummy in the irc chat please.

How will he figure out who the other vig shots are aimed at? How will a fake medic find out who the other medics are protecting? Who said the plan is faultless?

I think I'll take your advice and vote for you!

##vote redFF



If there isn't a great candidate for day vig I agree with heist's Day 2 proposal. We don't really want to use our vigi's and hatters on Night 1 anyway, do we? Confirmed townie might be more effective on Day 2. The only problem is the risk of losing him on Night 1...

So he see's a vote for me and thinks he can start an easy bandwagon on someone because at that stage in the game the plan had a lot of support. My point was a scum could be like-protecting this guy and if the confirmed townie said don't the scum could infer that that guy already had medic protection. We've already established the plan has major flaws esp on day 1 so i won't go back into that.

The vote though doesn't really have any reasoning apart from attacking the plan, the points i was making were valid imo.

Also he didn't actually vote for me in the thread, which I find pretty funny. That just seems like mafia trying to kick off a bandwagon and the turning around and looking at the votes and calling people scummy when i flip town...


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On August 03 2011 05:20 Lucidity wrote:
If it's such a waste of time why are you dedicating any time at all to it anymore? I don't think there has been serious majority support for the plan for long now, so there's no reason for you to talk about it. Every Day 1 has to start in some useless way before there's something to discuss. Why not use the posts that have been generated by this plan to start some discussion which you think might be useful?

Ok then don't ask other people to do it just do it. This post is complete shit, all it does is ask other people to contribute when he hasn't even contributed himself.


##Vote Lucidity


I wasn't saying you're scummy for opposing the plan. Your reasons provided were horrible, which I found suspicious. This isn't worth thread space as it's quite obvious, but if you're interested read the spoiler.

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 02 2011 06:53 redFF wrote:
I really dont think vig should shoot day 1. We can't all be redff.

Oppose with troll. You seemed to do this in AA also.

On August 02 2011 08:46 redFF wrote:
Regardless, have any of you guys a scum saying he's a vig and figuring out who the other shots are at? or a scum saying he's a medic and finding out who's protecting who?


Horrible. How would they ever figure this out?

On August 02 2011 08:46 redFF wrote:
I've played games where everyone has claimed to a "confirmed townie" and scum have raped and taken advantage of this, so please don't tell me the plan is faultless.


The plan doesn't involve a "confirmed townie". It would be a real confirmed townie. No one ever said the plan was faultless.

On August 02 2011 08:54 redFF wrote:
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On August 02 2011 08:51 Curu wrote:
Huh? I don't understand your post. The confirmed Townie tells the player who he is going to shoot or protect, he doesn't tell all Medics what every Medic is doing.

Since we know how much KP Mafia has I very much doubt any of them are going to be able to claim Vig.

So you want one townie conducting every single vig hit/medic protect/hatter bomb?

k here's an example.

Mafia-I will be protecting player x
Confirmed townie-no someone else is protecting him.

now mafia know's to not hit player x.

This would never happen. Terrible reason.


On August 02 2011 09:01 redFF wrote:
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On August 02 2011 09:00 Curu wrote:
On August 02 2011 08:54 redFF wrote:
On August 02 2011 08:51 Curu wrote:
Huh? I don't understand your post. The confirmed Townie tells the player who he is going to shoot or protect, he doesn't tell all Medics what every Medic is doing.

Since we know how much KP Mafia has I very much doubt any of them are going to be able to claim Vig.

So you want one townie conducting every single vig hit/medic protect/hatter bomb?

k here's an example.

Mafia-I will be protecting player x
Confirmed townie-no someone else is protecting him.

now mafia know's to not hit player x.


I would be more open to this plan day 2 or 3. But all i see is 2 townies getting lynched and losing a dayvig and that person most likely dying the next night.


No, it goes like this:

Mafia-I will be protecting player x
Confirmed townie-stfu I choose who you protect, you'll be protecting player y
Mafia-Okay...

I'm not comfortable with having 1 townie direct all of the blue actions. What if the townie is wrong about things/terrible? then we are screwed...

On August 02 2011 09:39 redFF wrote:
I don't see why i am being fos'ed for opposing this plan.

Why would we want to enforce a double lynch and use a dayvig shot day 1, when we can use it later game when we have a far higher chance of hitting mafia. All this plan will most likely do is kill 3 townies and lose us a dayvig shot which can be far more useful later on. Idk what the fuck is going on when its a good idea to double lynch day 1. It seems to be the proponents of this plan are just like LETS KILL TOWNIES FASTER!!!!1111ONEONE!!!

If anything it's scummy to defend this plan and then just call whoever is against it scum with zero reasoning. We lynch today, vigs for the most part should hold their shots, and we win this game by scumhunting, not by some kooky plan Sandroba made up in 5 minutes.

Pros
1. get a confirmed townie
2. Every blue claims to this townie??

Cons
1. Double lynch on the day when we are most likely to lynch town.
2. Mafia can infiltrate pm circle
3. One townie directing all blue actions
4. Confirmed townie will most likely be shot
5. We lose a dayvig shot early when it can be put into far better use later on in the game.

Someone please put forward a convincing argument as to why this plan is good aside from pulling a Drazerk and going "lolscum"

The pro is coordination and a voice for blues.
Avoiding possible death before he uses his shot.

2. There wouldn't be any PM circle.
3. If the townie is super bad it would be bad, but we'd still have the benefit of coordination.
4. Confirmed townie will be shot whether we use the plan or not.


The only decent points you raised seemed to be parroting others.

Anyway, now you're defending your horrible reasoning again? Your points weren't valid for the most part, except for those that you adopted from others... There's no shame in making mistakes, but trying to defend bad posts' reasoning so that you seem "clean" indicates that you're scared to be wrong.

You seemed overly anxious to defend any accusations thrown your way, which is similar to what I experienced as your scum partner in AA.

And lol, you're right I forgot to vote for you in the voting thread. I actually find Varp the best scum candidate at the moment after that post I highlighted earlier. But don't worry, I'll vote for you first so that the voting record shows it "when you flip town" (hahaha?)

As for the last quote, you might have noticed that I was talking to others who were perma complaining about the plan being a waste of time. I never said the discussion was a waste of time. How is it complete shit? Terrible man ;p
Valar Morghulis
Lucidity
Profile Joined July 2010
South Africa603 Posts
August 02 2011 21:19 GMT
#303
I missed that post about day vig hits Trotske. Obviously if someone shoots a rocket in the thread and no one dies we don't have a confirmed townie. I never meant to imply otherwise. Well, if it's a real Day Vig then he and the Vet will be confirmed to each other (I assume the Vet will be told that he lost 1 life). ;p
Valar Morghulis
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
August 02 2011 21:26 GMT
#304
##Rocket Mig
lalala
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 02 2011 21:27 GMT
#305
Sigh are you fucking serious?
wat
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
August 02 2011 21:28 GMT
#306
nah i was just kidding

Anyway, I'd rather Mig die than Lucidity/Varpulis. I dunno, the latter two just seem so.. Normal? While Mig is screaming "I'M SCUM".

Maybe it's just me.
lalala
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 02 2011 21:29 GMT
#307
This is how you tell Mig is scum: if he hasn't found a scum by the end of Day 2.
wat
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
August 02 2011 21:29 GMT
#308
On August 03 2011 06:13 Lucidity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2011 05:32 redFF wrote:
on Lucidity.

On August 02 2011 08:11 Lucidity wrote:
So we've already found 2 scum in redFF and DoctorHelvetica who are opposing the plan without any real reasons? Good stuff.

A confirmed townie coordinating blues is brilliant. The only problem I can see is if scum impersonates medics. That could give away blue roles/leave our soldier vulnerable. Solution? Just have all medics protect the soldier for night 1. 1 Night of coordinated abilities is quite powerful and we'll have more info on Day 2.

Apparently because people opposed a plan which has very real and obvious faults and holes makes someone scum... Although at this stage he could be just a dumb/inexperienced player not thinking. But calling me and DrH scum because we disagree with the plan is pretty funny.


On August 02 2011 09:01 Lucidity wrote:
On August 02 2011 08:46 redFF wrote:
...lol post the irc chat please, that is not a decent reason. Regardless, have any of you guys a scum saying he's a vig and figuring out who the other shots are at? or a scum saying he's a medic and finding out who's protecting who? I've played games where everyone has claimed to a "confirmed townie" and scum have raped and taken advantage of this, so please don't tell me the plan is faultless. If a vig is willing to use his shot as a lynch then it's ok. But I'm really not sure that day 1 is the best time to have a double lynch. Yeah the day when we have the least information and most likely to lynch town is when we should double lynch!

There, that's my opinion if you think it's scummy then vote me. Draz post what was scummy in the irc chat please.

How will he figure out who the other vig shots are aimed at? How will a fake medic find out who the other medics are protecting? Who said the plan is faultless?

I think I'll take your advice and vote for you!

##vote redFF



If there isn't a great candidate for day vig I agree with heist's Day 2 proposal. We don't really want to use our vigi's and hatters on Night 1 anyway, do we? Confirmed townie might be more effective on Day 2. The only problem is the risk of losing him on Night 1...

So he see's a vote for me and thinks he can start an easy bandwagon on someone because at that stage in the game the plan had a lot of support. My point was a scum could be like-protecting this guy and if the confirmed townie said don't the scum could infer that that guy already had medic protection. We've already established the plan has major flaws esp on day 1 so i won't go back into that.

The vote though doesn't really have any reasoning apart from attacking the plan, the points i was making were valid imo.

Also he didn't actually vote for me in the thread, which I find pretty funny. That just seems like mafia trying to kick off a bandwagon and the turning around and looking at the votes and calling people scummy when i flip town...


On August 03 2011 05:20 Lucidity wrote:
If it's such a waste of time why are you dedicating any time at all to it anymore? I don't think there has been serious majority support for the plan for long now, so there's no reason for you to talk about it. Every Day 1 has to start in some useless way before there's something to discuss. Why not use the posts that have been generated by this plan to start some discussion which you think might be useful?

Ok then don't ask other people to do it just do it. This post is complete shit, all it does is ask other people to contribute when he hasn't even contributed himself.


##Vote Lucidity


I wasn't saying you're scummy for opposing the plan. Your reasons provided were horrible, which I found suspicious. This isn't worth thread space as it's quite obvious, but if you're interested read the spoiler.
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 06:53 redFF wrote:
I really dont think vig should shoot day 1. We can't all be redff.

Oppose with troll. You seemed to do this in AA also.
I joke in most games lol am i scum for joking? you and drazerk must have been doing some taking :O

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On August 02 2011 08:46 redFF wrote:
Regardless, have any of you guys a scum saying he's a vig and figuring out who the other shots are at? or a scum saying he's a medic and finding out who's protecting who?


Horrible. How would they ever figure this out?
By saying they are protecting one person and the confirmed vig telling them not to...
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 08:46 redFF wrote:
I've played games where everyone has claimed to a "confirmed townie" and scum have raped and taken advantage of this, so please don't tell me the plan is faultless.


The plan doesn't involve a "confirmed townie". It would be a real confirmed townie. No one ever said the plan was faultless.
In the other game the player was a confirmed townie but mafia fakeclaimed to him and he believed them and ended up losing town the game.

Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 08:54 redFF wrote:
On August 02 2011 08:51 Curu wrote:
Huh? I don't understand your post. The confirmed Townie tells the player who he is going to shoot or protect, he doesn't tell all Medics what every Medic is doing.
Since we know how much KP Mafia has I very much doubt any of them are going to be able to claim Vig.

So you want one townie conducting every single vig hit/medic protect/hatter bomb?

k here's an example.

Mafia-I will be protecting player x
Confirmed townie-no someone else is protecting him.

now mafia know's to not hit player x.

This would never happen. Terrible reason.
If i was a blue role i would not have a random confirmed townie tell me what to do i would do what i think is correct. Also same point you made about the post above this one, try harder please.
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On August 02 2011 09:01 redFF wrote:
On August 02 2011 09:00 Curu wrote:
On August 02 2011 08:54 redFF wrote:
On August 02 2011 08:51 Curu wrote:
Huh? I don't understand your post. The confirmed Townie tells the player who he is going to shoot or protect, he doesn't tell all Medics what every Medic is doing.

Since we know how much KP Mafia has I very much doubt any of them are going to be able to claim Vig.

So you want one townie conducting every single vig hit/medic protect/hatter bomb?

k here's an example.

Mafia-I will be protecting player x
Confirmed townie-no someone else is protecting him.

now mafia know's to not hit player x.


I would be more open to this plan day 2 or 3. But all i see is 2 townies getting lynched and losing a dayvig and that person most likely dying the next night.


No, it goes like this:

Mafia-I will be protecting player x
Confirmed townie-stfu I choose who you protect, you'll be protecting player y
Mafia-Okay...

I'm not comfortable with having 1 townie direct all of the blue actions. What if the townie is wrong about things/terrible? then we are screwed...

Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 09:39 redFF wrote:
I don't see why i am being fos'ed for opposing this plan.

Why would we want to enforce a double lynch and use a dayvig shot day 1, when we can use it later game when we have a far higher chance of hitting mafia. All this plan will most likely do is kill 3 townies and lose us a dayvig shot which can be far more useful later on. Idk what the fuck is going on when its a good idea to double lynch day 1. It seems to be the proponents of this plan are just like LETS KILL TOWNIES FASTER!!!!1111ONEONE!!!

If anything it's scummy to defend this plan and then just call whoever is against it scum with zero reasoning. We lynch today, vigs for the most part should hold their shots, and we win this game by scumhunting, not by some kooky plan Sandroba made up in 5 minutes.

Pros
1. get a confirmed townie
2. Every blue claims to this townie??

Cons
1. Double lynch on the day when we are most likely to lynch town.
2. Mafia can infiltrate pm circle
3. One townie directing all blue actions
4. Confirmed townie will most likely be shot
5. We lose a dayvig shot early when it can be put into far better use later on in the game.

Someone please put forward a convincing argument as to why this plan is good aside from pulling a Drazerk and going "lolscum"

The pro is coordination and a voice for blues.
Avoiding possible death before he uses his shot.

2. There wouldn't be any PM circle.
3. If the townie is super bad it would be bad, but we'd still have the benefit of coordination.
4. Confirmed townie will be shot whether we use the plan or not.

2.Yes there would this whole plan proposes a pm circle surrounding this confirmed townie.
3. Exactly, blues should do what they think is correct, not follow the advice of this random dayvig who actually followed through with this retarded plan.
4. If we don't use this plan we won't have a confirmed townie because the dayvig won't have shot..


The only decent points you raised seemed to be parroting others.

Anyway, now you're defending your horrible reasoning again? Your points weren't valid for the most part, except for those that you adopted from others... There's no shame in making mistakes, but trying to defend bad posts' reasoning so that you seem "clean" indicates that you're scared to be wrong.

You seemed overly anxious to defend any accusations thrown your way, which is similar to what I experienced as your scum partner in AA.

And lol, you're right I forgot to vote for you in the voting thread. I actually find Varp the best scum candidate at the moment after that post I highlighted earlier. But don't worry, I'll vote for you first so that the voting record shows it "when you flip town" (hahaha?)

As for the last quote, you might have noticed that I was talking to others who were perma complaining about the plan being a waste of time. I never said the discussion was a waste of time. How is it complete shit? Terrible man ;p

My response in bold. In this post you didn't even say why im scum, and you still haven't provided good reasoning. And yes this post
On August 03 2011 05:20 Lucidity wrote:
If it's such a waste of time why are you dedicating any time at all to it anymore? I don't think there has been serious majority support for the plan for long now, so there's no reason for you to talk about it. Every Day 1 has to start in some useless way before there's something to discuss. Why not use the posts that have been generated by this plan to start some discussion which you think might be useful?

is fucking terrible. You keep bringing up the plan but then you say stop talking about and make a call for pro-town discussion and analysis, but don't actually do any yourself. that's a fucking typical easy scum post.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
August 02 2011 21:34 GMT
#309
Trotske

On August 02 2011 09:33 Trotske wrote:
I would be for this plan on like day 3 with a sniper using the second shot because by then we would have a lot more info to make a better choice on who to shoot and if we do kill a townie with it by accident it would give us even more info.


On August 02 2011 09:46 Trotske wrote:
If you use the sniper as a second lynch but don't have him claim until he is out of kills he can't get taken out until he is just a normal townie.

And since the sniper would be acting on the towns behalf it would show you who was pushing really hard for the vig shot on a townie. and let you reexamine what the townie who got shot had said because he was now a confirmed townie.


Varpulis has a right to be suspicious. I don't know why he isn't being so heavily pressured for this plan. He is asking the sniper to kill someone night 1 based solely on his gut reads and not claim the kill at all. Not to mention the fact that with a possibility of more than 1 vig, it'll be hell to sort out the day post. Also town will not be held accountable since we will not be voting on who to kill. All the drawbacks of an early vig hit with none of the upsides of a confirmed townie or information from the votes.

Will waiting till the sniper is a vanilla townie do him any good at surviving? No. He argues to wait till day 3 for the confirmed townie. But he still advocates an early vig hit. It's like taking the worst of both worlds: early vig hit, later/delayed confirmed townie, no way of protecting the confirmed townie anyways. And his reasoning? He reiterates the merits of a double lynch, which does us no good. It doesn't support his alternate plan in any way in comparison to the original.

On August 03 2011 03:34 Trotske wrote:
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On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote:
On August 03 2011 02:43 Mig wrote:
Varp every post you make screams wishy washy to me. Where is the confident Varpulis I have played with in the past? Every opinion you give you list the pros and cons and then you end up taking a pretty neutral stance. I haven't seen you have a strong opinion of anything yet.

If you had to vote for someone right now who would it be for and why? Do you find anyone besides red scummy?

I got called out for wishy washiness in PTP (day 1) as well. Day 1 nothing is solid, there's rarely anything to base arguments off of until late in the day, and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum. I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet.

By the way, if we're going ahead with the plan, could we have a soldier/sniper claim? If there are none we need to reevaluate.


you don't want the day vig to claim before the town has agreed to the plan (Which they havn't) or until we know where we want the dayvig to aim.


Clear contradiction here. He doesn't want the day vig to claim before we know where we want the dayvig to aim. Yet he's totally fine with the sniper shooting someone on his own night 1?


On August 02 2011 23:07 Trotske wrote:
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On August 02 2011 19:35 Lucidity wrote:
Haha, I guess I was still in the Asylum mindset with mass blue everywhere - somehow thought that all 7 blue roles listed would be in the game. ~4 blues make sense and we're very unlikely to have 2 medics in that, so a plan to coordinate them this early isn't actually that great.

I think the only time that we should be claiming is if Mafia only have 1 KP left or if a Day Vig hits a Vet, leaving us with 2 confirmed townies. One of them will survive the night and be able to pass on info~

redFF, forever RED?



As you will know from this post

Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 07:23 Kurumi wrote:
On August 02 2011 07:14 Curu wrote:
BLU Soldier
You don't care unless area is maggot free. You will blast them maggots when the sun is blazing hot!
Day Vigi with two shots. Type ##Rocket Player in the thread to use Your ability.

Kurumi/Palmar, when this guy shoots, does it get announced in thread regardless if the hit player dies or not?

There is no notification.


If a day vig trys to hit someone and they survive we have no way of knowing if they are both scum or a vig / vet .


No idea if you weren't reading the posts or just scum trying to slip this idea in to see if anyone would catch it.

FoS Lucidity



He makes a very very weak FoS accusation. He doesn't simply try to correct his misunderstanding but capitalizes on it to push forward a lynch based on very shaky foundations. His entire reasoning is based off one thought. His entire suspicions rest solely through the interpretation that this one thought is a sneaky attempt to push scum agendas.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 02 2011 21:36 GMT
#310
You've got 24h and 30 min left! Remember about voting and activity requirements!
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Lucidity
Profile Joined July 2010
South Africa603 Posts
August 02 2011 21:38 GMT
#311
You're still misunderstanding that post. I was simply telling the people who were whining to stop it and do what they consider to be useful. I wasn't telling THE WHOLE TOWN to do it. And I certainly wasn't referring to myself. I think the discussion needed to happen so that we could see all the holes in the plan. It also provided a platform to start scumhunting and it even provided a great scum candidate in Varp.

If you want to continue the discussion about how your reasoning was bad I'd be happy to do it in PM. I feel it's useless spam in the thread.
Valar Morghulis
Lucidity
Profile Joined July 2010
South Africa603 Posts
August 02 2011 21:39 GMT
#312
erm, that was @redFF.
Valar Morghulis
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
August 02 2011 21:42 GMT
#313
On August 03 2011 06:28 youngminii wrote:
nah i was just kidding

Anyway, I'd rather Mig die than Lucidity/Varpulis. I dunno, the latter two just seem so.. Normal? While Mig is screaming "I'M SCUM".

Maybe it's just me.


What is Mig doing? He is scumhunting. I would not be okay with a lynch on Mig unless he makes some sort of blatantly obvious scum slip. Lucidity and Varpulis are being far more scummy than Mig is.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
August 02 2011 21:47 GMT
#314
On August 03 2011 06:34 heist wrote:
Trotske

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On August 02 2011 09:33 Trotske wrote:
I would be for this plan on like day 3 with a sniper using the second shot because by then we would have a lot more info to make a better choice on who to shoot and if we do kill a townie with it by accident it would give us even more info.


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On August 02 2011 09:46 Trotske wrote:
If you use the sniper as a second lynch but don't have him claim until he is out of kills he can't get taken out until he is just a normal townie.

And since the sniper would be acting on the towns behalf it would show you who was pushing really hard for the vig shot on a townie. and let you reexamine what the townie who got shot had said because he was now a confirmed townie.


Varpulis has a right to be suspicious. I don't know why he isn't being so heavily pressured for this plan. He is asking the sniper to kill someone night 1 based solely on his gut reads and not claim the kill at all. Not to mention the fact that with a possibility of more than 1 vig, it'll be hell to sort out the day post. Also town will not be held accountable since we will not be voting on who to kill. All the drawbacks of an early vig hit with none of the upsides of a confirmed townie or information from the votes.

Will waiting till the sniper is a vanilla townie do him any good at surviving? No. He argues to wait till day 3 for the confirmed townie. But he still advocates an early vig hit. It's like taking the worst of both worlds: early vig hit, later/delayed confirmed townie, no way of protecting the confirmed townie anyways. And his reasoning? He reiterates the merits of a double lynch, which does us no good. It doesn't support his alternate plan in any way in comparison to the original.

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On August 03 2011 03:34 Trotske wrote:
On August 03 2011 03:23 Varpulis wrote:
On August 03 2011 02:43 Mig wrote:
Varp every post you make screams wishy washy to me. Where is the confident Varpulis I have played with in the past? Every opinion you give you list the pros and cons and then you end up taking a pretty neutral stance. I haven't seen you have a strong opinion of anything yet.

If you had to vote for someone right now who would it be for and why? Do you find anyone besides red scummy?

I got called out for wishy washiness in PTP (day 1) as well. Day 1 nothing is solid, there's rarely anything to base arguments off of until late in the day, and I'm usually focused on proving my activity, not calling people scum. I haven't taken a stance because I don't have a really strong feeling about anybody yet.

By the way, if we're going ahead with the plan, could we have a soldier/sniper claim? If there are none we need to reevaluate.


you don't want the day vig to claim before the town has agreed to the plan (Which they havn't) or until we know where we want the dayvig to aim.


Clear contradiction here. He doesn't want the day vig to claim before we know where we want the dayvig to aim. Yet he's totally fine with the sniper shooting someone on his own night 1?


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On August 02 2011 23:07 Trotske wrote:
On August 02 2011 19:35 Lucidity wrote:
Haha, I guess I was still in the Asylum mindset with mass blue everywhere - somehow thought that all 7 blue roles listed would be in the game. ~4 blues make sense and we're very unlikely to have 2 medics in that, so a plan to coordinate them this early isn't actually that great.

I think the only time that we should be claiming is if Mafia only have 1 KP left or if a Day Vig hits a Vet, leaving us with 2 confirmed townies. One of them will survive the night and be able to pass on info~

redFF, forever RED?



As you will know from this post

On August 02 2011 07:23 Kurumi wrote:
On August 02 2011 07:14 Curu wrote:
BLU Soldier
You don't care unless area is maggot free. You will blast them maggots when the sun is blazing hot!
Day Vigi with two shots. Type ##Rocket Player in the thread to use Your ability.

Kurumi/Palmar, when this guy shoots, does it get announced in thread regardless if the hit player dies or not?

There is no notification.


If a day vig trys to hit someone and they survive we have no way of knowing if they are both scum or a vig / vet .


No idea if you weren't reading the posts or just scum trying to slip this idea in to see if anyone would catch it.

FoS Lucidity



He makes a very very weak FoS accusation. He doesn't simply try to correct his misunderstanding but capitalizes on it to push forward a lynch based on very shaky foundations. His entire reasoning is based off one thought. His entire suspicions rest solely through the interpretation that this one thought is a sneaky attempt to push scum agendas.


For the first part of this post do you not understand that a sniper can shoot during the day? So we would know when he shot and who he shot. nowhere did I say for the sniper to shoot during the night when I suggested that plan.

second point makes no sense because you seem to think I want the sniper firing at night.

heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
August 02 2011 21:53 GMT
#315
So you're attempting to feign ignorance are you?
Sniper has 1 bullet for day and 1 bullet for night.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
August 02 2011 22:04 GMT
#316
I suppose I am, I thought he just had two bullets and could use them whenever but just not during the same cycle. I can see how you think that was scummy of me.

I will say that this game I have pointed out quite a few flaws in peoples plans and I didn't spot this one.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 02 2011 22:05 GMT
#317
townies tend to be more ignorant of rules/the thread than mafia the more confused someone is the less likely they are mafia

mafia will lurk/not post but they pay attentiont oe verythin thats going on thats an important thing to consider
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 02 2011 22:13 GMT
#318
btw where is bc lol
RIP Aaliyah
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
August 02 2011 22:14 GMT
#319
BIG IRC LOG POST INCOMING
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[16:49] <@Kurumi> ok ok
[16:49] <youngminii> not that anyone cares
[16:49] <@Kurumi> hm
[16:49] <CUru> hey munk e
[16:49] <@Kurumi> dropbear would care
[16:49] <@Kurumi> but he isn't playing
[16:49] <CUru> who do you think is scummy?
[16:49] <Munk-E> Mainly mig
[16:49] <Munk-E> but i'm also analysing varp
[16:49] <Munk-E> and lucidity
[16:49] <youngminii> oh look syllogism told mig that we're talking about him and now mig is here
[16:50] <Lucidity> lol
[16:50] <youngminii> /talkingoutofmyass
[16:50] <Munk-E> Oh snap when did he get here?
[16:50] <mig__> just got here I was just in irc until I had to disc like 15 min ago lol
[16:50] <mig__> maybe longer
[16:50] <OriginalName> it was like
[16:50] <OriginalName> an hour ago
[16:50] <OriginalName> when you dced
[16:50] <mig__> k
[16:52] <CUru> ym why would you want to lynch mig day 1?
[16:52] <CUru> he has a ridic track record of finding scum
[16:52] <DoctorHelvetica> i agree with curu
[16:52] <youngminii> oh that's fair enough reason to not lynch him actually
[16:52] <DoctorHelvetica> wait on mig
[16:52] <youngminii> yeah
[16:52] <CUru> scum would be much more afraid of him than town
[16:52] <syllogism> mig was mean to him so he started tunnelling the most active player in a game where the thread is pretty dead, standard
[16:52] <youngminii> ok unvoting
[16:52] <CUru> if hes scum then we can tell when he doesnt find any scum
[16:53] <youngminii> splendid work syllogism, as usual
[16:53] <syllogism> it's true
[16:53] <OriginalName> So
[16:53] <OriginalName> are we down to Varpu/Lucidity
[16:53] <OriginalName> for likely suspects?
[16:53] <youngminii> what, the fact that your backseat sheeping is splendid?
[16:53] <syllogism> what am I sheeping
[16:53] <OriginalName> On Mig
[16:54] <syllogism> on what
[16:54] <OriginalName> when he could theoretically be perfectly wrong
[16:54] <OriginalName> and your just not doing any of your own thinking
[16:54] <youngminii> on literally everything he has done this game
[16:54] <OriginalName> on his lynches
[16:54] <OriginalName> Syllogism
[16:54] <youngminii> i'm not even kidding, you're just following his every single thought
[16:54] <OriginalName> you are not mig
[16:54] <syllogism> i've been talking to him and a few others all game on skype
[16:54] <OriginalName> think for yourself
[16:54] <youngminii> you mean on quicktopic?
[16:54] <syllogism> you apparently dont know me very well
[16:54] <syllogism> if you think i dont think for myself
[16:54] <OriginalName> but you havent shown that yet
[16:54] <OriginalName> at all
[16:54] <OriginalName> ._.
[16:54] <syllogism> in thread yes
[16:55] <OriginalName> THEN SHOW IT IN THE GOD DAMNDED THREAD
[16:55] <OriginalName> THATS WHERE IT MATTERS
[16:55] <youngminii> you haven't shown it in irc either
[16:55] <OriginalName> I dont give a fuck about your private behind closed doors shit
[16:55] <syllogism> it's a channel with 15 people
[16:55] <OriginalName> i want to see it
[16:55] <syllogism> not exactly ideal
[16:55] <youngminii> so you're showing it in your PMs to mig
[16:55] <@Kurumi> I like turtles
[16:55] <OriginalName> Because afaik your just sheeping
[16:55] <syllogism> what am I sheeping, you still havent said
[16:55] <OriginalName> Kurumi are you trying to troll me cause of WaW2?
[16:55] <Lucidity> how is it more ideal to show to 1 person syllogism?
[16:55] <Lucidity> lol
[16:55] <OriginalName> ._.
[16:55] <syllogism> all i've done is argue against bad logic by YM
[16:55] <youngminii> wtf
[16:56] <youngminii> you can't see what you're sheeping
[16:56] <youngminii> oh my god
[16:56] <syllogism> Lucidity: it's not one
[16:56] <youngminii> oh my god
[16:56] <youngminii> i can't
[16:56] <youngminii> handle this
[16:56] <@Kurumi> I am not trolling anyone
[16:56] <@Kurumi> _^_
[16:56] <@Kurumi> I am hosting a game
[16:56] <@Kurumi> this is serious
[16:56] <@Kurumi> _^_
[16:56] <youngminii> syllogism's got to be the biggest troll
[16:56] <OriginalName> ._.
[16:56] <@Kurumi> but
[16:56] <@Kurumi> what happened
[16:56] <OriginalName> no
[16:56] <OriginalName> the turtle things
[16:56] <@Kurumi> I am not paying attention
[16:56] <OriginalName> shit
[16:56] <@Kurumi> aa
[16:56] <@Kurumi> I just like turtles
[16:56] <@Kurumi> _^_
[16:56] <OriginalName> mmk
[16:56] <Lucidity> is it just me or does
[16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) So
[16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) are we down to Varpu/Lucidity
[16:56] <Lucidity> 02,02 12,00 2302:125302.1234 02,02   02( OriginalName 02) for likely suspects?
[16:56] <Lucidity> scream scum?
[16:56] <OriginalName> because
[16:56] <Lucidity> lol
[16:56] <OriginalName> we want a solid lynch
[16:56] <OriginalName> not just
[16:56] <OriginalName> herp derp everyone off doing their own shit
[16:57] <OriginalName> Dont even try that scum shit on me
[16:57] <Lucidity> we're still 24 hours away from lynch
[16:57] <OriginalName> so what
[16:57] <OriginalName> we tookj
[16:57] <OriginalName> 24 hours
[16:57] <Lucidity> what possibly reason is there to start tunneling now
[16:57] <Lucidity> haha
[16:57] <OriginalName> to get that plan away
[16:57] <OriginalName> its gonna take 24 hours
[16:57] <youngminii> LOL
[16:57] <OriginalName> to get our shit together
[16:57] <syllogism> tunneling is fine if it creates discussion
[16:57] <OriginalName> Im starting early
[16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> no it doesnt scream scum lol
[16:57] <Lucidity> That's just asking, "Hey guys, who are the 2 candidates I can tag on to without upsetting shit?"
[16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> have you read
[16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> vers town guide
[16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> tunneling isnt a scumtell
[16:57] <DoctorHelvetica> jesus
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> town is more likely to do it than mafia
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> mafia want to plays afe
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> they go where the town goes
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> has no reason to tunnel
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> as long as mafia doesnt get lynched it doesnt matter lol
[16:58] <OriginalName> And i cant tunnel as scum
[16:58] <Lucidity> which is exactly what ON is doing?
[16:58] <OriginalName> i tried it once
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> what motivation would ON possibly have as scum
[16:58] <Lucidity> roflll
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> to tunnel you
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> because youre bad
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> if it was
[16:58] <alanismorisette> wow after that syllo now looks redic scummy
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> BC
[16:58] <OriginalName> it fucking
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> id understand
[16:58] <OriginalName> failed
[16:58] <Lucidity> I'm not saying he's tunneling he's scum
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> what
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> thats exactly what you said
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> wow
[16:58] <OriginalName> Lucidity
[16:58] <Lucidity> I'm saying he's asking the town for 2 safe candidates
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> lol
[16:58] <DoctorHelvetica> jesus
[16:58] <OriginalName> just
[16:58] <OriginalName> just
[16:58] <OriginalName> wow
[16:58] <OriginalName> ffs
[16:58] <Lucidity> ?
[16:59] <OriginalName> No
[16:59] <OriginalName> i give up
[16:59] <@Kurumi> wanna a replacement
[16:59] <@Kurumi> the next in the line is..
[16:59] <@Kurumi> Bill Murray
[16:59] <OriginalName> no
[16:59] <@Kurumi> so how about that?
[16:59] <OriginalName> Im not a ragequit
[16:59] <@Kurumi> kk whatever
[16:59] <OriginalName> im giving up on explaining
[16:59] <OriginalName> why I said that
[16:59] <youngminii> if bm was next in line
[16:59] <DoctorHelvetica> lucidity its normal if people have a suspicion to tunnel it
[16:59] <Lucidity> You think we found the scum
[17:00] <youngminii> i'd give my spot just to see him play
[17:00] <youngminii> again
[17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> because the towns goal is to kill a scum
[17:00] <Lucidity> in those 2 candidates?
[17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> if you think someone is scum
[17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> you tunnel them lol
[17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> thats the pro town thing to do
[17:00] <OriginalName> i think those two candidates
[17:00] <OriginalName> have the highest chances
[17:00] <OriginalName> of being scum
[17:00] <youngminii> i don't
[17:00] <Lucidity> with so little info out
[17:00] <OriginalName> From what i have deduced in the thread
[17:00] <OriginalName> Ok then
[17:00] <Lucidity> rofl
[17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> there is a lot
[17:00] <OriginalName> put more info in then
[17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> to analyse
[17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> already
[17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> lol
[17:00] <alanismorisette> wow@heist
[17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> we dont have flip info
[17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> but
[17:00] <Lucidity> There is a lot more to analyse
[17:00] <Lucidity> l
[17:00] <Lucidity> o
[17:00] <Lucidity> l
[17:00] <OriginalName> Lucidity
[17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> whats so funny
[17:00] <OriginalName> The OMGUS from that
[17:00] <OriginalName> doesnt help you
[17:00] <DoctorHelvetica> you know what i would do if i ws mafia id say
[17:00] <OriginalName> btw
[17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> "ignore the day 1 discussion ther eis no info nothing to analyse move on lol"
[17:01] <OriginalName> DrH is prob town
[17:01] <OriginalName> YM is meh
[17:01] <youngminii> ignore the day 1 discussion ther eis no info nothing to analyse move on lol
[17:01] <Lucidity> OMGUS?
[17:01] <OriginalName> I want to see more from BC
[17:01] <OriginalName> oh my god you suck
[17:01] <Lucidity> rofl
[17:01] <OriginalName> someone accuses
[17:01] <Lucidity> I know what it means
[17:01] <OriginalName> then you shout back
[17:01] <Lucidity> where did I do it?
[17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> when you said on is scum after he said youre scum
[17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> lol
[17:01] <DoctorHelvetica> jesus
[17:01] <Lucidity> no
[17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) So
[17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) are we down to Varpu/Lucidity
[17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> ( OriginalName ) for likely suspects?
[17:01] <OriginalName> [16:56] <Lucidity> scream scum?
[17:01] <Lucidity> You're completely misrepresenting
[17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> yes
[17:02] <@Kurumi> hey guys, just do what Ace recommended in Mini
[17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> that looks like omgus
[17:02] <@Kurumi> RANDOM LYNCH
[17:02] <Lucidity> It's scummy because he's asking the town for safe candidates
[17:02] <@Kurumi> jk jk :3 play mafia
[17:02] <Lucidity> not because i'm one of the 2 suspects
[17:02] <Lucidity> rofl
[17:02] <@Kurumi> now brb
[17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> its not scummy hes seeing if people agree
[17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> thats normal to do
[17:02] * chaos13_ is now known as chaos13away
[17:02] <DoctorHelvetica> no matter what side youre on
[17:02] <OriginalName> Its called checking your work
[17:02] <OriginalName> making sure im not completely off my rocker
[17:02] <Lucidity> horseshit
[17:02] <Lucidity> roofl
[17:02] <OriginalName> ...
[17:02] <OriginalName> fuck it
[17:02] <Lucidity> what work?
[17:02] <OriginalName> Lucid is soooooo scum
[17:02] <Lucidity> You haven't posted anything
[17:03] <OriginalName> ...
[17:03] <OriginalName> oh
[17:03] <OriginalName> my
[17:03] <OriginalName> god
[17:03] <OriginalName> ...
[17:03] * OriginalName facedesks
[17:03] * OriginalName facedesks
[17:03] * OriginalName facedesks
[17:03] * OriginalName facedesks
[17:03] * OriginalName facedesks
[17:03] * OriginalName facedesks
[17:03] * OriginalName facedesks
End of relevant conversation


Im going to point out the arguement between Lucidity and Me. Take what you will from it, but I think hes definitly up there on the scum leaderboard.
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 02 2011 22:14 GMT
#320
its either or
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