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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
July 18 2011 19:14 GMT
#561
On July 19 2011 04:08 Curu wrote:
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On July 19 2011 03:46 redFF wrote:
Curu, since your vote is on Supersoft, why are you pm'ing someone you think is mafia?

Also why vote Ketomai supersoft? Just an OMGUS?


I asked him who his PM buddies were to see if he would reveal his scumbuddies.

He says he's active in PM land.
He is clearly not active in PM land.
If he can convince someone that he IS active in PM land and they confirm it, that's his scumbuddy.

He wasn't dumb enough to fall for the trap. But apparently he didn't need to, you outed yourself as his scumbuddy already.

I have not PMed him besides asking him why he is claiming VT to which he gave me the same BS answer that was already posted in this thread.

... i'm his scumbuddy? Please tell me how i am his scumbuddy. Just because i don't agree with this lynch and bandwagon doesn't make me his scumbuddy...
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 18 2011 19:16 GMT
#562
On July 19 2011 04:11 Nisani201 wrote:
Supersoft has far too many scumtells to be ignored; however if he flips green then I would seriously consider lynching Curu D2, as he started the bandwagon.

Some other people that I would consider for D2 would be Mig, who requested the Vet list. People who post lists are good targets for bandwagons, and Coag fell into it. RoL started the bandwagon against Coag and hasn't said anything since.

Both nonsense. Anyone who believes the case against Supersoft is good should be willing to "start" the wagon and it definitely is. Indeed, this is so bad I'm almost considering changing my vote to you.

Mig requesting for a list of veterans doesn't mean anything and he certainly isn't stupid enough to think such a "trap" (lol) would be worthwhile. Null tell
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 18 2011 19:17 GMT
#563
On July 19 2011 04:01 Shraft wrote:
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On July 19 2011 03:42 supersoft wrote:
i already told you: mig and curu.


Why did you lie about being caught up in the PM game?


Can curu confirm he's been in PM contact with supersoft, and for how long? I don't remember reading that in the thread.

On July 19 2011 03:29 Palmar wrote:
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On July 19 2011 02:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On July 18 2011 21:13 Drazerk wrote:
Time to actually go to work I guess.

Let's start with our always scum fellow Mr. Wiggles shall we?

Now we could say wiggles has a track record of being scum but the problem is his scum play has been pretty bland, In fact in RTM / WaW2 we was able to pick him out as scum just because of how little effort he puts in when being scum. Now when I read the thread this morning I was pretty much blown away by how much effort he was putting in, Its almost as if he did a 180 and is trying his best to not follow his scum meta by promoting a pro town atmosphere.

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On July 18 2011 10:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ok, so let's get this started!

First things first, let's lay out some things we want to achieve, and some guidelines.

A pro-town atmosphere

This normally goes without saying, but it often bears repeating. If we want to catch scum, we need to have the proper environment for scum hunting and for communicating with each other. This means a couple things:

  • Promoting scum hunting.
  • Not having pointless arguments
  • Actively contributing
  • All that jazz


Basically, we want to keep the thread as clean as possible, because chaos best serves mafia, not town. If you really don't know what to do, there's town guides. I'm not going to write one here, because I'm too lazy, and don't consider myself experienced enough to try. However, I am going to go through the three points above, as I think they are very important.

We always want people to scum-hunt. There's never an excuse not to scum-hunt; everyone can do it. This provides us with many benefits. First, it's the primary method for actually finding scum. It also means that people have to give their actual thoughts, and have to come up with things beyond "I agree". This gives us information, and information is good. It lets us know what you're thinking, and it puts pressure on mafia to have to contribute. Also, forcing mafia to scum-hunt means that there's a good chance of catching them just based on their analysis, because it's hard to find people who are scummy, when you know they aren't scum.

Next, we want to avoid bickering. This goes hand in hand with keeping the thread clean. This is different from actually debating with people, and you should be able to tell the difference between rationality, and NO U. If anyone is having a pointless argument, they will be asked to stop. It doesn't help town, only mafia.

Lastly, we want people to contribute. There's a posting limit of 5 posts per day/night, but that doesn't give you permission to skirt that limit. It's easy for mafia to hide amongst lurkers, and beyond that, lurkers are nearly impossible to analyze. So, contribute. This doesn't mean make tons of pointless one-liners, it means providing actual thoughts, analysis, and content. You can do it, I believe in you. And if you don't, we can always just ask a vig to shoot you. We don't want people to lurk.

Clues

There's clues in this game. However, all clue analysis MUST MUST MUST be backed up by post analysis. Before you post the clue analysis too. The reason for this, is that clues will most likely point to all kills. this means that some of the clues are going to point to vigs, some will point to third parties, and the others will point to mafia. Accidentally outing a vig because you solved the clues about them is bad. So, if you think someone's attached to a clue, go back and re-read their posts. If you think they look scummy, then post an analysis that contains the clue analysis. If you think they're town, just hold onto your analysis. Clue-analysis should always be used to supplement an actual behavioural analysis. It should never be the main point for calling someone scummy. In other words: Clues pointing towards a person does not equal scum.

Third Parties

Looking at the third parties, here's what we want:

-We want Joker to die.
-We want Batman to kill Joker.
-This means that Batman wins, and should hopefully be removed from the game, also removing Ra’as Al Ghul who can no longer achieve his victory condition.

This is the optimal way the third party part of the game will go. We want Batman to kill Joker before Ra'as can kill Batman, so that we don't have to deal with Joker ourselves. So, if you think someone's acting like an SK, don't be afraid to point it out, as this should help Batman achieve his win-con, and let us get on with the rest of the game.

If Joker is lynched, is Batman removed from the game?
If Batman is removed from the game, is Ra'as removed from the game?


Thoughts? Disagreements? Let's get this rolling.



You will see a post like that at the start of every game, In fact it's pretty much one of the easiest ways to gain townie points as the post is pretty much common sense followed with some "weak" policies.

Notice how wiggles keeps mentioning the third parties?
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On July 18 2011 10:58 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On July 18 2011 10:37 deconduo wrote:
I agree that Batman killing the Joker is the ideal situation. However I would regard all 3rd party, including Batman, as anti-town. They constitute 3 extra KP each night which results in a faster lylo and less DT checks and clues. If we catch one they should be lynched. None of this 'Keep me alive and I'll help town' crap.

Given the size of the game and the heavy activity requirement there will be a lot of reading to do. There will certainly be people attempting to just pass with the bare minimum of posts. These people should be scrutinised intensly, and lynched if any clues point towards them.


Mhmm, if we catch them, we should lynch them. However, how can we catch them? The only ways I can see, are through just behavioural analysis, and also clue analysis. That's why I say, that if someone is acting like an SK, we might as well lynch them. However, SKs normally act like lurkers, or are scummy, from my experience. So, that means the batman should be shooting into lurkers and scummy people. On the flip-side though, Ra'al is going to be shooting into pro-town players, as Batman wants to try to look like a green, most likely.

The priority is:

joker>batman>ra'al

Because killing up the chain, removes the players below.

So, I guess you're right, that we should always kill third-parties, to remove their KP. However, the priority should be on the joker, as he will most likely appear scummiest, and also his death removes all third parties.



The constant talk of game mechanics makes it seem like he is pro town when he is pretty much posting fluff at this point he just seems to want to enter lylo later when he has established himself as a town player.

Shall we go into his other posts about game mechanics?
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On July 18 2011 11:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On July 18 2011 10:57 redFF wrote:
If you clue analyse backing it up with some other form of analysis or evidence can help, but isn't necessary. If you see a clue don't be afraid to point it out.

Unless its like, x is a detective, then don't point it out lol. On the whole I think relying on clue analysis is pretty terrible though so i won't be basing any of my voting around some vague clue which could be pointing to 10 different people.


Clue analysis can be strong, and also, newer players are sometimes easily swayed by it, because it seems like an "objective" form of scum-hunting. I'm saying, before pointing out any clues, look at the person who was killed, and the posting history of the player you think the clue is pointing to.

For example, if they killed a mafia, and look super pro-town, what would be the possible benefits of pointing it out?

However, if someone killed town, and look scummy, then make an actual analysis and then attach the perceived clue to it.

No one should be lynched only on clues, and clues shouldn't just be looked at in a vacuum.



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On July 18 2011 11:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On July 18 2011 11:02 CreamyButter wrote:
Maybe it's because I only have 35 posts, but 5 posts a day seems like a hell of a lot, and I'm predicting a ton of spam/filler posts just to hit the minimum (I'm kind of freaking out about getting modkilled if I forget one evening lol). Maybe we should tag our posts like /analysis or /filler? Since I feel like if people are all forced to make 5 posts a day, there might be a lot of red herrings from tired townies who just want the day to end, and this way we can sort of manually adjust the posting minimum to like 3 "real" posts a day. Or 8 or whatever.

@Curu
Give me a sec to think about it. From what I understand the mafia just sort of chill, analyze/snipe blues, give confusing/chaos-inspiring analysis, and attempt to plant themselves into town circles. Not sure if there are any strategies that would be particular to this game yet, but will totally get back to you on that.

Also I'm sure this is unintentional, but just to make sure,
There's a posting limit of 5 posts per day/night, but that doesn't give you permission to skirt that limit.

It's a minimum, not a limit, right?


Yeah, it's a minimum, I just used the word limit for some reason =/

If you are being active and playing the game, you shouldn't really have any problem making the 5 post minimum.

For example, you already made 2 decent posts, and still have almost 70 hours to make the other three to avoid mod-kill.

Also, filler should mostly be avoided if possible, as there are always other things to post besides useless stuff. For example, you can comment on other people's analysis, on the voting patterns or bandwagons that are going to appear, on how people are acting or trying to manipulate town, etc. There's lots to talk about. :p



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On July 18 2011 11:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On July 18 2011 11:03 deconduo wrote:
On July 18 2011 11:00 redFF wrote:
And regarding blacks I feel it is best to ignore them. Usually I don't really like lynching blacks, but since they all have 1kp a night and will be shooting into town I say if we find them we should be lynching them.

Im going to be treating all the black roles as serial killers.


I disagree about ignoring them. Effort should definitely be made in finding and lynching them, especially the Joker and/or Batman.


Agreed. Together the third party hold the same amount of KP as the entire mafia, and based on probability, are more like to kill town than mafia too.



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On July 18 2011 11:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On July 18 2011 11:41 Curu wrote:
Just a lovely note to our lovely DTs out there:

Never check a man who is a very likely lynch. If you find a guilty, well he's getting killed anyways. If you find an innocent, then you shouldn't be outing yourself to save him anyways unless there are very few players left in the game. The Godfather/third parties also give innocent checks.

To our lovely Vigilantes:

Likewise, if someone is declared a policy lynch or something of that nature, it is far better to have our Vigilantes shoot them instead. The lynch process gives us no information when reds can easily bandwagon lynch someone. Remember that the lynch is a process for finding information and connections as well, not just a simple kill.


Also, to add on to advice for DTs, especially as there are a lot of newer players present, always try to form a case around a player based on analysis if you get a guilty check. Do not just claim. Claiming early is never a good thing, as a 1-1 trade with mafia benefits them more than town.

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On July 18 2011 11:57 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On July 18 2011 11:51 Zona wrote:
^
Well, a "1-1 trade" benefits town a TON more than the mafia, if the town is vanilla. But a DT trade for a mafia is a poor one.


Oops, I might have screwed up the logic, haha. Been playing scum for too long. O.o

Green for mafia is an awesome trade, as we outnumber the mafia.

1-1 with a DT isn't great early on, especially depending on who the scum is. For example, if you checked random lurker A and they returned red, try to get them shot or lynched, don't claim. Trading a DT for a red lurker isn't a very good trade, when we can get additional use out of the DT. Use your discretion, but I think making a push for a lynch based on analysis should be the first step taken, before any kind of claim.



So essentially most of his posts are either about, The third parties or how to deal with clues.

He has actually done little scum hunting which is a typical trait of his scum play.

In my opinion Wiggles is trying very hard to not look like his regular scum meta by "Appearing" to put in effort but with the little scum hunting / FoSing from him he seems to have just concentrated on the mechanics side of the game (Basically fluff) and promote his "Town atmosphere" the best way he can.

FoS on Wiggles

##Vote: Mr. Wiggles


I'm gonna address the case against me pretty quickly, but basically I'm being accused of talking about game mechanics for the first two hours of the game, and not scumhunting. (Game started 10KST, last quoted post at 11:57KST). This accusation is true, but shouldn't mark me as scummy, given that it's pretty hard to scum hunt in the first two hours of the game, as most people have yet to post, or have very few posts. Mechanics are just a starting point to get people talking at the beginning of the game, as there is very little else to talk about. Scumhunting begins from there.


Hi.

I would much rather have you actually scumhunt than just defending yourself, no one was going to lynch you so defending against that post was useless anyway, you can however be of use to town if you actually try to achieve something.


Hi,

I made one post here defending myself, from a sentiment that has been echoed several times in this thread, to cut it off before it becomes a silly bandwagon. I'm being preemptive here. Since that post, I've been re-reading the thread and taking notes on players. Scumhunting doesn't just magically appear.

Also, while you're here:
On July 18 2011 23:09 Palmar wrote:
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On July 18 2011 22:42 supersoft wrote:
yoep, it's not my first game, but my first game with PMs. Like you said there is a tendency for not posting in the thread and writing PMs instead. Same thing for me.



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On July 18 2011 22:54 supersoft wrote:
I won't push for your lynch right now. You are the only person, that wrote me so far. :D


Derp.

##Unvote CreamyButter
##Vote Supersoft

On July 18 2011 23:22 Palmar wrote:
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On July 18 2011 23:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
##Vote supersoft

Not just one of the Coagulation bandwaggoners but just shady overall.


Oh, the irony


Would you mind explaining this to me, please, as well as clarifying your actual position on supersoft?

You jump on the supersoft bandwagon, and then call out Nazgul for hopping on the same wagon 10 minutes later. Contradictory, much?
you gotta dance
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 18 2011 19:18 GMT
#564
You want to lynch me for trying to actively trying to scumhunt when you yourself admit that supersoft has been been blaring too many scumtells to be ignored?

lol

supersoft is either scum or the worst Townie in history. Why would me pushing for his lynch make me scum if he did turn out to be the worst Townie in history?

So basically a Townie should never try to scumhunt unless he's 100% certain the other player is scum? You want only the DT to be able to contribute? Sick playstyle bro.

Nisani give me something insightful about another player. Everyone so far has covered the cases against Mig, Coag, and RoL already. You're just parroting without adding anything of your own.
wat
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
July 18 2011 19:18 GMT
#565
On July 19 2011 04:11 Nisani201 wrote:
To whoever was asking for the node graph, I'm sorry but I'm not going to do that. I'm making a node graph for myself only. Not only does it have the potential to help Mafia a lot, but it would mess up my metagame if I kept posting one each game.

If you'd like to make your own, you can simply download Freemind for free on any platform. It's pretty easy to use.

Supersoft has far too many scumtells to be ignored; however if he flips green then I would seriously consider lynching Curu D2, as he started the bandwagon.

Some other people that I would consider for D2 would be Mig, who requested the Vet list. People who post lists are good targets for bandwagons, and Coag fell into it. RoL started the bandwagon against Coag and hasn't said anything since.

I'll talk to BC in PM's about the Sinani206 situation, it's not worth spamming up the thread with that.


Care to share these scum-tells since your posts till this point have been nothing such fluff and spam.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 18 2011 19:19 GMT
#566
Oh, I see Curu covered the PMing with supersoft. Weird that he claims he was in active contact with him when it looks like only a couple of PMs were exchanged.

you gotta dance
VarysTheSpider
Profile Joined July 2011
United States38 Posts
July 18 2011 19:24 GMT
#567
On July 18 2011 20:56 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Ok this is what happens:
Mig asks for a list, knowing that giving lists is a way for mafia to blend in and that lists are generally a scum tell.
Coag replies
Coag gets fossed and bandwagoned
mig dissapears...
People that are accusing Coag are accusing the wrong guy i think.


I think you are reading to much into this. Why is is unreasonable for mig to ask for a list considering all the new players? As a new player it was nice to see the list and know who has played a lot of games. Also mig wasn't even the first person to bring up the zodiac list.
Why is it always the innocents who suffer most, when you high lords play your game of thrones? --Varys
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
July 18 2011 19:25 GMT
#568
misfit, if you think supersoft is innocent who would you vote on?
dr Helvetica <3
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 18 2011 19:25 GMT
#569
Sorry but I won't be able to make something useful - I am really sorry for myself, but very happy about scum-hunt results. I think both bandwagons are leading into red lynch. More on that later. Please don't start food fights and other chaotic dumb things - atmosphere of town must be preserved.
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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 18 2011 19:27 GMT
#570
no problem:

Original Message From supersoft:
I jumped over that page. And I reapeat: It was a joke. There was no claim like:

"Bla, don't lynch me, I am VT I swear."

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Original Message From Curu:
And you just conveniently chose to ignore the few pages of discussion before that saying Town claiming green only hurts Town?

Original Message From supersoft:
Original Message From Curu:
Hi there,

Why'd you claim green and who do you suspect to be scum?


my claim was a joke. I don't understand why you guys don't get it. You aren't the first one who asks me this via PM.

I am town.

I haven't made a plan yet who is connected to whom. In general I think people who are already defending each other/supporting each others cases on the first day are scummy in general.
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
July 18 2011 19:29 GMT
#571
who else asked you via pm?
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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 18 2011 19:30 GMT
#572
On July 19 2011 04:14 redFF wrote:
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On July 19 2011 04:08 Curu wrote:
On July 19 2011 03:46 redFF wrote:
Curu, since your vote is on Supersoft, why are you pm'ing someone you think is mafia?

Also why vote Ketomai supersoft? Just an OMGUS?


I asked him who his PM buddies were to see if he would reveal his scumbuddies.

He says he's active in PM land.
He is clearly not active in PM land.
If he can convince someone that he IS active in PM land and they confirm it, that's his scumbuddy.

He wasn't dumb enough to fall for the trap. But apparently he didn't need to, you outed yourself as his scumbuddy already.

I have not PMed him besides asking him why he is claiming VT to which he gave me the same BS answer that was already posted in this thread.

... i'm his scumbuddy? Please tell me how i am his scumbuddy. Just because i don't agree with this lynch and bandwagon doesn't make me his scumbuddy...


Because you have no useful post in this game up until heat grew on supersoft and then you felt it worthwhile to attack me with some worthless post. You conveniently ignore everything else and just try to attack my credibility or build a bandwagon on me with the flimsiest of reasons.

You really think all my "spam" is more scummy than supersoft's blatant lying? No you don't. No one in their right mind thinks that. Maybe you think for some reason that supersoft should be spared, but you don't try to argue for his innocence or point out flaws in the argument against him (because you know there aren't any), you just try to attack me.

On July 19 2011 04:19 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Oh, I see Curu covered the PMing with supersoft. Weird that he claims he was in active contact with him when it looks like only a couple of PMs were exchanged.



In case anyone still doesn't get it:

supersoft claims to be useless in the thread because he's contributing via PMs
I call him out asking if anyone has been active in PMs with him
Nope
supersoft is NOT contributing via PMs
The only way he could convince someone to vouch for him is if they were scumbuddies together
I try to trap one of his scummates
supersoft doesn't bite
redFF obliges me with his roaring chainsaw instead

I have absolutely no reason to say I'm active in PMs with supersoft obviously as I have not been, nor has anyone else. Unless I'm lying and am his scumbuddy, which I'm not.
wat
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 18 2011 19:33 GMT
#573
No, I meant that supersoft claimed activity in PMs keeping him from posting. He's PMed with Mig. He also claimed he was actively PMing with you. However, he has only 2 PMs with you. To me, that does not constitute stringent activity. I never meant that you claimed to be active with him, haha, I meant the opposite, that he claimed to be active with you, so I was wondering who was lying.

And yes, I got that the first time.
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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 18 2011 19:39 GMT
#574
read the thread, TheAwesomeAll. I already posted the whole dialogue between me and Mig

Also:
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On July 18 2011 23:03 Curu wrote:
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On July 18 2011 22:57 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On July 18 2011 22:57 Curu wrote:
Mig's probably PMed everyone in this thread already.

Got any PM contacts besides him?


He said in the PM convo with Mig that Mig was the only person to contact him.


He also said he didn't contribute in thread and explained why his posts were useless because he had been active in PM land.

So if Mig was the only person to PM Sand like Amber says, then why does he claim he's been contributing in PM land? He hasn't.

Why have nothing insightful at all except some throwaway analysis done in 5 minutes that implicates the ones putting pressure on him.

So let me recap:

-Sandsoft posts meaningless useful fluff that's anti-Town and explains his easy bandwagon vote
-Sandsoft gets called out and pressured a bit
-Sandsoft then tries to do some "analysis" and 5 minutes later his results: the two people who have been accusing him
-Sandsoft claims he's been useless and not contributing in thread because he's been busy in PM land. Hey Sandsoft, who have you been PMing bro

I think I've found my definite day 1 lynch unless he can show me who he's PMed (and get confirmation from that person).


1. Who is this "sandsoft"?
2. Your analysis is genius. I'll put my vote on this fellow.

Now seriously: Since NOBODY reads the thread, I am going to repeat:


On July 19 2011 03:45 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 03:38 supersoft wrote:
On July 18 2011 22:34 ketomai wrote:
Right now I'm feeling supersoft. He bandwagoned a pretty bad vote and didn't give much analysis. From a previous game, he played similarly as mafia. He just pretty much finds the easiest vote that doesn't affect mafia and then tries to stay out of the way and lurk/posts generic agreements and contentless posts. He only starts posting significantly when he defends himself and even then sticks to generic statements.


I thought about this while I was away. I never played with you before and I never read anything of you before. Did anyone in your mafia-quicktopic post that about me?

Interesting. This does appear to be the only game he's played with this name.What's your smurf name ketomai?



_____

P.s.: Stop talking nonsense about me. It's ridiculous: I made a joke and I told you that I was PMing instead of posting, and that's the fucking truth. 6 or 7 PMs is a lot for me.
I play a round of LOL now. "OH that's so scummy, he pretends to play LOL! It's an excuse he must be red ohohoho herpaderpa"
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
July 18 2011 19:40 GMT
#575
Curu:
I made that post on you because you started a bandwagon on someone with flimsy reasoning and it looks to me like nobody is trying to stop you. You've spammed up this thread the most out of anyone curu...

This bandwagon is dumb. Curu post less you aren't as good as you seem to think you are lol. Apparently he found 2 scum day 1 GUYZ!!!!!!!111111ONEONEONE!!!!

Please people read the thread and form your own opinions, differentiate between scum and newer player who is being intimidated.

Saying i only started trying to post useful stuff when you started tunneling supersoft is wrong and a cheap way to try and lower my credibility. If you are town stop being stupid, if you are scum continue but i implore everyone else to stop listening to him.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
July 18 2011 19:45 GMT
#576
On July 19 2011 04:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
No, I meant that supersoft claimed activity in PMs keeping him from posting. He's PMed with Mig. He also claimed he was actively PMing with you. However, he has only 2 PMs with you. To me, that does not constitute stringent activity. I never meant that you claimed to be active with him, haha, I meant the opposite, that he claimed to be active with you, so I was wondering who was lying.

And yes, I got that the first time.


I think we're at different stages >_<. I already know supersoft isn't active in PMs with anyone, no one has to prove that. His behavior and skirting the questions make that much obvious already. It was apparent five minutes after I asked him that he was lying.

Wiggles if supersoft flips red who do you think our next lynch target should be?

supersoft, why don't you tell us who you think is scummy then? Not another "analysis" you put up in 5 minutes that say me and Mig are scummy cause we both think PMs are good.

I don't think my analysis is genius, you just make it far too easy. You're really defending yourself now because I spelled your name wrong? Ahahaha. Hahaha. Grasping at straws much?

Hey redFF, still going strong on me I see and not contributing anything else. I don't think I'm good, I just think you two are bbbbbbbad. Why do you only come out to attack me? Why don't you analyze anything else in this thread?

Suggest a better bandwagon then on some strong reasoning if you're so against lynching supersoft. Show me someone who looks more scummy than he does. Tell us why you think this bandwagon is dumb rather than just saying it is.
wat
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 18 2011 19:46 GMT
#577
On July 19 2011 04:25 Kurumi wrote:
Sorry but I won't be able to make something useful - I am really sorry for myself, but very happy about scum-hunt results. I think both bandwagons are leading into red lynch. More on that later. Please don't start food fights and other chaotic dumb things - atmosphere of town must be preserved.

I wont be able to do anything useful today , will be active tomorrow
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VarysTheSpider
Profile Joined July 2011
United States38 Posts
July 18 2011 19:48 GMT
#578
On July 18 2011 22:42 supersoft wrote:
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On July 18 2011 22:15 syllogism wrote:
I'm falling into my PM game tendency of not posting my thoughts in the thread and rather letting other people do it for me. I'll have to echo Palmar on CB, but he does look like someone who is trying to contribute and can be thoughtful. Moreover, if he isn't town aligned, his posts read more like Insane Inmate than someone who has help (though "I guess I'll start accusing people" is pretty awful and could be interpreted as "my team told me to do this"). I'd rather consider him a decent vigi target as lynching insane inmates doesn't provide much in way of voting patterns.


Not liking Pyo's posts thus far, but attributing that to disagreeing with his logic/cases

Supersoft on the other hand has been completely worthless and his few posts have been scummy/anti-town. He isn't entirely new to the game, so I'm not going to let that excuse fly.

##vote Supersoft


yoep, it's not my first game, but my first game with PMs. Like you said there is a tendency for not posting in the thread and writing PMs instead. Same thing for me.

My VT claim was a joke btw. I wanted to point out that I know that I am blindly bandwagoning and thought it was funny if I would connect it with the task of the VTs to lynch "moblike style" as described in the frontpost.
All the people that go for this little statement now, just are too lazy to really read the thread and make a real accusation.

For me it's scummy if people are connected with each other on the first day. This connection may be a support in an accusation or defending the other person. Usually townies don't trusts anybody at the first day. I have to make a plan of people that are around here and I try to figure out connections between them. That will be my task for the first day. brb


Doing things like this seem to be pretty pointless as they waste time and serve to confuse or distract people which is pretty anti-town like behavior to me.
Why is it always the innocents who suffer most, when you high lords play your game of thrones? --Varys
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 18 2011 19:52 GMT
#579
On July 19 2011 04:40 redFF wrote:
Curu:
I made that post on you because you started a bandwagon on someone with flimsy reasoning and it looks to me like nobody is trying to stop you. You've spammed up this thread the most out of anyone curu...

This bandwagon is dumb. Curu post less you aren't as good as you seem to think you are lol. Apparently he found 2 scum day 1 GUYZ!!!!!!!111111ONEONEONE!!!!

Please people read the thread and form your own opinions, differentiate between scum and newer player who is being intimidated.

Saying i only started trying to post useful stuff when you started tunneling supersoft is wrong and a cheap way to try and lower my credibility. If you are town stop being stupid, if you are scum continue but i implore everyone else to stop listening to him.

I fully agree that people just mindlessly bandwagoning and then not doing much all day is awful, but I'm not quite seeing where your confidence in Supersoft being town comes from. Is it because you know his alignment?
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
July 18 2011 19:53 GMT
#580
On July 19 2011 03:38 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 22:34 ketomai wrote:
Right now I'm feeling supersoft. He bandwagoned a pretty bad vote and didn't give much analysis. From a previous game, he played similarly as mafia. He just pretty much finds the easiest vote that doesn't affect mafia and then tries to stay out of the way and lurk/posts generic agreements and contentless posts. He only starts posting significantly when he defends himself and even then sticks to generic statements.


I thought about this while I was away. I never played with you before and I never read anything of you before. Did anyone in your mafia-quicktopic post that about me?


I did not play with you, no, but it's not like I do not have access to the games in which you played.

To answer the smurf questions: it's the same account, I have never played mafia on a smurf, just had a name change (which should be obvious from my posting history).

I'll post more things after I get back from class.
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