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On June 17 2011 05:44 sandroba wrote:
@BC Well you could say that the sinani and aidnai bandwagon were created in response for jonn's bandwagon. Seeing that he crawled back into lurking I think he's a very valid candidate aswel. I've reread demorcef's posts and retract my statement that lynching him today is a good option.
ilovejonn/LandenC/grassgiraffe are all good options imo.
Possibly they did because of his bandwagon but he has still been posting. Landen has just started posting and grass has made 1 post and 1 vote. Day 1 with the little discussion overall we have had and the options, I would rather remove someone who isn't contributing positively but avoiding the modkill and being replaced by a player who would actually play.
If ILJ continues lurking into day 2 I would say he would make a wonderful lynch then, just as if landen goes into hardcore lurking in day 2 he would make one as well. But as of now they have proven far more town aligned than others.
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On June 17 2011 05:50 Mig wrote:
Kenpachi posts exactly like this every single game. And does it make any sense for kenpachi as mafia to call out BC, one of the most vocal people, as GF when he could just as easily lurk along without making any waves? Targeting kenpachi right now is terrible.
BC I really dislike posting a list of 3 inactves. Since there is 0 evidence to defend any of them providing 3 choices will just make it easier for mafia to influence the lynch and guarantee a town is hit. Would prefer if you just strongly push for 1 target that you feel is best.
I don't really get the defense of sinani. Last game he played as mafia he showed that he likes to fake contribute exactly as he is doing now. He actually made one decent analysis that game and it was when he tried to bus his own team mate, so I know he is capable of writing decent posts if he puts the effort in. Everything he has posted has been without any real thought or effort to provide content for the town. I mean he hasn't defended himself at all or done any actual scum hunting whatsoever and he is clearly lurking because he insta responds when directly questioned. The only thing that somewhat worries me is the fact a bunch of people have jumped on voting for him without providing any real reasoning. Despite that I still think he is the best lynch.
Sinani looks like a total tunnel to me. As for killing 1 of 3 inactives it is far better day 1. They have no evidence revealing if they are town or mafia. They are being unhelpful and not contributing, and by removing them now, it forces players to play. The longer you let people lurk and be inactive the easier it is for mafia to hide. Do I like the prospect of one of them flipping town? No. Do I like the idea of us killing an active player on really tenuous and tunnel like analysis? no. If sinani, or aidnai or Ilovejohn is red they are active enough to display that, whereas someone whos not posting anything aside from sheep voting is not being active enough to give us an idea without a dt check or killing them.
It is far less damaging to us to remove an inactive who might flip town who also might as red than it is to kill someone who was tunneled if they flip town.
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I am fine with killing an inactive. I am saying don't list 3 candidates because mafia will just influence the lynch and guarantee their guy isn't hit. It is much better for the town if you just strongly push for 1 of the inactives instead of discussing all 3 of them.
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On June 17 2011 06:02 Mig wrote:
I am fine with killing an inactive. I am saying don't list 3 candidates because mafia will just influence the lynch and guarantee their guy isn't hit. It is much better for the town if you just strongly push for 1 of the inactives instead of discussing all 3 of them.
Of the 3 one is now posting, 1 was brought to my attention is on the potential modkill list so that only leaves giraffe.
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Allright, I agree with voting the lurkers. BC's argument makes sense. We have to make them start posting, or kill them. If we don't and they happen to be mafia, we're gonna be in trouble later on.
I change my vote to GG because of his extreme inactiveness, him breaking the scilence with a very wierd post, where he just dashes in, jumps on the BW without explanation, dashes out.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2011 19:44 grassgiraffe wrote:
Hey i'm no Modkill but after reading this whole thread i'm going to take the plunge and vote for sinani206.
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On June 17 2011 05:20 sinani206 wrote:
Supposedly really active according to his friend.
However, I still FoS ILJ.
##Vote grassgiraffe
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Was about to post and then saw that Jacinto posted exactly was I was going to say. Reading through the thread looking at anything mentioning grassgiraffe, he seems to be the best choice for Day 1 so far. Voted for giraffe.
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On June 17 2011 05:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 05:03 LandenC wrote:After seeing Kenpachis post I can see where he is coming from about BC. + Show Spoiler +Wanting DT's to check outside of the list, making him safe from check if red(but not if gf ofc). After seeing RoL jump to his defense after Kens vote, I think RoL and BC might both be red thus not having DT's check into the list helps them even more. + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2011 13:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
We as a group will draw insane scrutiny from town and as such dt checks should be used on anyone not us. The group of us should be forced to prove our worth to town. It also provides us with a list that if there are any reds in shooting into becomes dangerous as it lowers the possible hiding spots for them. This should effectively keep veteran townies alive and kicking longer while letting medics work elsewhere.
Dts should be firing into people who are likely to be inactive, or have posted something insanely suspicious. Medics should protect anyone who is not listed above.
Note: This is for night 0 and potentially night 1 only. Past that time frame enough information should be garnered in thread for blues to act properly and the vets to properly distinguish sides.
Next is his only real vote or FoS from him. All other posts of his don't have much scum hunting. He votes for node so he at least got a vote in but it will pretty much go unnoticed. + Show Spoiler +On June 16 2011 09:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I would like to say however that until he makes a post in the thread I will be sticking a vote on node. He didn't post anything serious during night 0 and he has been afk thus far into day 1. However I would like to get him talking.
##vote node
Rest of his posts mainly just general talk about lurkers lists and bad plans. No real scum hunting just pressure on lurkers. + Show Spoiler +On June 16 2011 12:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Its a horrrrrrrrrible strategy and by know means should be used.
Had mataza not stressed how bad this idea was I would be pushing for his lynch right now. The only saving grace of it is that it will have people talking. On June 16 2011 12:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Oh it is a terrrrrrrible plan don't get me wrong. But if the options are take shitty ideas to force discussion or let town lurk itself to death theres only one option really.
This all being said, people have to start talking. We have FoS on sinani, aidnai, and Ilovejohn. I would like to hear from everyone in regards to these three. I will also propose this. If by say noon EST thursday (tommorrow for me) we have not yet heard from people on the zodiac list assume most of the 3 on the lynch docket are likely to be town or mostly town and we instead lynch an obvious uncontributing lurker. With the level of stagnance so far it seems better to kill someone who wont help at all than those who will potentially slip up later if red, or attempt to help if town. I don't like the idea of shooting active voices with so much inactivity.
If the newer players are afraid of posting on chance of revealing their roles, ask the mods who are potential people that could coach them from outside the game or mason someone you feel could give you some help within it. Short of that inactivity will lose the town the game. On June 14 2011 13:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The advantage of it is if there are any reds in the list (i would assume there is at least one if not more) that shooting into the list this early on potentially outs themselves. It potentially protects people without the use of a med and lets them instead prot more likely blue snipes. On June 16 2011 13:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Depends on the vet to be honest. So far only node and RoL need to be accounted for as of right now. If both appear with decent posts I would say leave the list as it is and throw either dt checks into it, or give 1 more day to let everyone analyze the group. If they both stay horribly inactive lynching one of them is potentially more useful.
If they are however active I would say we get a list of inactives and just lynch one. On June 17 2011 03:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
OK as of right now we have a bunch of people who are hella lurking
Key two of these are RebirthofLegend and node. Seriously you two, shape the fuck up.
Level of activity of
node
Jacinto
Landec
suggests we have potential modkills incoming, however if they appear to vote later I would say keep a close on eye them and if they jump on the easy bandwagon or not.
That all being said, of sinani/aidnai/ilj (not sure why these 3 are still on the docket but whatever) ILJ has stated he will be inactive which doesn't help anyone but scum. Of the 3 he is the only one who would sit well in the case he is not mafia. My vote for now will still stay on node until node posts and or votes and I will then shift it over to ILJ unless a more compelling case for someone else has appeared. I agree with Kenpachi, BC looks suspicious and gets my vote for now. Your new so maybe you don't understand some things. Day 1 is near impossible to scumhunt unless people realllly fuck up somewhere along the line. It's even harder when players like yourself opt to sitback and not post until pressured. You were lurking, you got called out, and suddenly the person who does it is red. You mention I am red because of the zodiac list? all the names of players on that list are people who will prove their alignment via play in thread, analysis done on them, etc... Dt checks are far more useful being directed at people (much like yourself) who are lurking hard and not contributing. If someone is unreadable because they skirt by sheeping the entire game a dt check can clear them or damn them very quickly. A gf is much more likely to be hiding in a list of veteran players than it is amongst lurkers as well. Making myself accountable for my actions and adding scruitiny to myself is not pro mafia, its pro town. You then mention most of my posts are on bad plans? pushing to kill lurkers? Wow, since when is trying to organize people from doing bad moves an anti town play? Trying to organize people and get them to realize bandwagons they are on are most likely wrong is not mafia play. Take a look at the major 3 bandwagons. All 3 started fairly early and had next to no opposition except from the players involved. No one was defending them? at all? Instead there was next to no discussion, people sheep'd onto some of those lists not even justifying themselves. That screams mafia are content to sit back and let the shit happen. Use your head people.
Sinani was defending ILJ....actually...which is why I said lynching sinani would be a good idea....But ILJ said he would be afk for much of the weak, which means he should be the one to die. Stop pushing it away from him.
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@LandenC Okay, why is he the best choice? You do realize that the reason people find him suspicious is because he's made 1 post exactly like yours. Yet you post in the same way and find him suspicious? That's a serious contradiction right there.
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yeah, thing is Mig, BC is calling out those lurkers to post. It worked too. So step it up guys if you want to play.
As for the lynch targets, sinani, and ILJ still look suspicious to me. ILJ more so, because his slip into lurker mode. I want to see him scum hunt, cus right now the only contribution I see from him is defending himself. However, I wont vote for him because he is under the gun, We have ample opportunity to see if he slips up, or scum tells.
One person that is really flying under the radar is Impervious. So far all his post have had little substance, and smell sightly of scum.
As for the lurkers, One stands out and thats grassgiraffe. The others have yet to post much but grass last post SCREAMS out "I made my vote, and I'm out". I know, because that sounds exactly like some of the lurkers in SNMMII. They would simply come in once or twice during the day and say,"yep, I agree with so and so, vote: name here". I am 90% sure he is town, and 100% sure we dont need him. come prove me wrong grass.
##Vote: grassgiraffe
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##Unvote sinani206
##Vote: grassgiraffe
I admit that I sheepishly voted sinani based on weak logic and the desperate hope that he'd actually flip red. I agree that inactivity is more effectively dealt with now rather than later, and I hope the remaining lurkers after today will see GG as an example.
HA...GG.
GG, GG.
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holy shit, there was a whole page worth of post while I was posting lol.
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@Hiro:
If you're 90% sure that grass is going to flip town, then why are you voting for him?
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On June 17 2011 06:28 hiro protagonist wrote:
yeah, thing is Mig, BC is calling out those lurkers to post. It worked too. So step it up guys if you want to play.
As for the lynch targets, sinani, and ILJ still look suspicious to me. ILJ more so, because his slip into lurker mode. I want to see him scum hunt, cus right now the only contribution I see from him is defending himself. However, I wont vote for him because he is under the gun, We have ample opportunity to see if he slips up, or scum tells.
One person that is really flying under the radar is Impervious. So far all his post have had little substance, and smell sightly of scum.
As for the lurkers, One stands out and thats grassgiraffe. The others have yet to post much but grass last post SCREAMS out "I made my vote, and I'm out". I know, because that sounds exactly like some of the lurkers in SNMMII. They would simply come in once or twice during the day and say,"yep, I agree with so and so, vote: name here". I am 90% sure he is town, and 100% sure we dont need him. come prove me wrong grass.
##Vote: grassgiraffe
We vote for who we feel is scummier. Not who we don't need more. Vote for ILJ please. He's going to be afk anyway, he went to lurker mode after other "suspects" appeared. He was defended early on by sinani, whom many have considered suspicious too. Can we just move on to killing him now?
On June 17 2011 04:57 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 04:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Seriously though, I am not joking. Fuck the other 3 candidates. That was the single worst thing I ever ever read. He is inactive then makes a blanket statement with NO evidence then falls back into inactivity? It's so reckless, and annoying. It needs to go right now.
Lynch kenpachi, honestly maybe I make bold statements but at least I provide reasoning. I can understand how mad you are because most vets tend to have the same response atleast once (or more!) I say BC is mafia because I dont really see the usefulness in his posts. He made a lot of lists and pointed out a bunch of inactives (including you) but really, thats it. I guess its brash to accuse him of being mafia when i think there is nothing to talk about but still.
Can we please get one more post Mr. RoL?
On June 17 2011 06:13 Jacinto wrote:Allright, I agree with voting the lurkers. BC's argument makes sense. We have to make them start posting, or kill them. If we don't and they happen to be mafia, we're gonna be in trouble later on. I change my vote to GG because of his extreme inactiveness, him breaking the scilence with a very wierd post, where he just dashes in, jumps on the BW without explanation, dashes out. + Show Spoiler +On June 16 2011 19:44 grassgiraffe wrote:
Hey i'm no Modkill but after reading this whole thread i'm going to take the plunge and vote for sinani206. and Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 05:20 sinani206 wrote:
Supposedly really active according to his friend.
However, I still FoS ILJ.
##Vote grassgiraffe
...Wrong vote. I want ILJ voted for. Not GrassGiraffe. Come the F' on guys.
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@Wiggles:
For the reasons I stated. If Grass comes in and says something, hell anything, that would be of an contribution, I will take my vote off him. I will urge others to do the same. If I had to vote for someone else, I would vote ILJ or Impervious.
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On June 17 2011 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote sinani206
##Vote: grassgiraffe
I admit that I sheepishly voted sinani based on weak logic and the desperate hope that he'd actually flip red. I agree that inactivity is more effectively dealt with now rather than later, and I hope the remaining lurkers after today will see GG as an example.
HA...GG.
GG, GG.
They will NOT SEE HIM as an example. Please, change your vote to ILJ. Stop being a SHEEP.
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On June 17 2011 06:35 hiro protagonist wrote:
@Wiggles:
For the reasons I stated. If Grass comes in and says something, hell anything, that would be of an contribution, I will take my vote off him. I will urge others to do the same. If I had to vote for someone else, I would vote ILJ or Impervious.
Change your vote now, as opposed to later, when inactives come rolling in to bandwagon the person with the most votes to "feel" cool.
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@OpZ:
Yes, ILJ is indeed on radar. If he gets lynched tonight, I am fine with that. If he lives today, then I want ether him or impervious to stand trial on day2.
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On June 17 2011 06:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 06:35 hiro protagonist wrote:
@Wiggles:
For the reasons I stated. If Grass comes in and says something, hell anything, that would be of an contribution, I will take my vote off him. I will urge others to do the same. If I had to vote for someone else, I would vote ILJ or Impervious. Change your vote now, as opposed to later, when inactives come rolling in to bandwagon the person with the most votes to "feel" cool.
No, I rather the inactives not be here later on in the game. makes scum hunting so much easier.
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@sandroba He made a one line post and voted to not get mod killed and has been MIA since. I made a post on page 20 that was more then one line showing my suspicion of BC but were past that now. And I'm still here.
Now the discussion has moved towards either giraffe or ILJ it seems. Like hiro said, ILJ is still on the radar and if he is not lynched today we have posts from him to go over come day 2.
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On June 16 2011 13:43 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 12:52 ilovejonn wrote:
Yeah, I feel scum are definitely content with the environment right now, and obviously liking the discussion at hand. We'd be better off voting for lurkers to force them to talk as I feel there are plenty of scum hiding right now. Night 0 start + half way through Day 1 and A LOT of people have bare minimum posts, heck some people haven't even started posting since the Day post. This really irks me. However, they WILL have to come up with a reason to vote anyways or risk being modkilled. I'm expecting by the end of the Day half ass bandwagons and reasons for voting will be formed and we can further examine those people.
Note: I'll be away from 11 am - 6 pm for most days coming. Good. Then You're a fine lynch candidate. I'm voting you. You have sucessfully completed 9 out of 10 scummy things. The tenth is to die red.
OpZ...this is the post coinciding with your vote thread. His post here was apparently enough to tip the scales for you from you being indifferent about who to lynch between aidnai, ILJ and sinani to now tunneling HARD to get ILJ lynched. What was so scummy about this post that pushed him over the edge for you?
To me, this post seems, if not a little obvious, at least true. What's the beef, brah?
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