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RebirthOfLeGenD
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
I think mataza might be onto something in his DeMorcef analysis. Specially given how quickily he responded to it and the emphasis of being new at the end. Also note that he says he's supicious of jonn and sinani, but he soft attacks sinani in his post. This giraff fellow has a grand total of one post saying he's gonna vote for sinani "after reading the thread". He's a nice candidate aswel, since he claim to have read the thread, but yet he doesn't feel like helping the discussion at all. For myself, I'll be voting jonn for now. I urge you people to take your votes away from sinani/aidnai and onto jonn/demorcef/lurkers. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
-Hiro brought it up as part of a question to sandroba about why his activity has dropped since night 1. He asks if sandroba is still intending to use his plan, but in the next post he states that he didn't mean to keep discussing the plan and rephrases his question without mentioning the plan at all. Looking back over his posts throughout the game, we see him supporting scumhunting during the night, opposing sandroba's plan, and advising people to save their mason abilities. I agree with just about everything he's said and find nothing scummy about his play so far. -Impervious brings up the plan just to say he opposes it and then moves on. Let's take a look at his other posts since n0, shall we? First he defends the use of statistical analysis to find scum, which is very bad because statistics can support any argument, and it's too easy for scum to find statistics supporting an accusation and make an 'objective' case that isn't based on any real scumhunting. He supports saving the mason ability for a few days, which is good, but look at his next post: On June 14 2011 21:02 Impervious wrote: Btw, why the hell did you bring me up? This seems like a radical overreaction to having his name simply mentioned in the thread. Ok, whatever, that's weird, let's move on. He then argues in his next two posts that there should be no talking night 0 because it helps the mafia. youngminii already pointed out why quelling discussion is scummy, but let's look at what exactly Impervious says: On June 14 2011 22:10 Impervious wrote: Personally, I don't see why we should do anything right now. There's no information to get a decent target for a vigi, and the more we discuss veteran players, the more targets we present for the mafia (and, subsequently, also decrease the likelihood that a medic will protect a vet that gets targeted). Let's wait for the day post. This doesn't make any sense at all. There's no information to get a vigi target, but how will we get information without discussion? Plus, no one at all is advocating for a vigi shot on n0 anyways. Where does this come from? Also, discussing veteran players isn't giving mafia more targets. There's definitely one or two players on the mafia team who know who all the veterans are, so if one mafia knows, all the mafia know. Discussing them in the thread might actually help a newbie medic to pick a protect target. In summary, Impervious advocates no discussion for terrible reasons. His next post is an excuse for inactivity, and finally his last post, where he says that he opposes sandroba's plan, which might have been useful during n0 when we were discussing it. Even sandroba has posted saying that the plan is dead and to stop talking about it. Are you that desperate to contribute something, Impervious? The rest of the post is just generic advice, some of it good, some of it less good. Nothing about any of the players. In case you couldn't tell, I'm leaning towards Impervious being scum. He's lurking, failing to contribute anything original, and supporting anti-town behaviour. I'm not positive, but I'm feeling good enough about it to put a vote on him. Shape up or ship out, bud. | ||
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vonKlaust
Sweden158 Posts
So, here's my post: On ILJ: I think that he has been the scummiest person so far. First of he posted his, by now infamous, lurkerlist. I don't see a huge problem with this TBH. Sure, it was pretty obvious information, but still i think it deserves to be highlighted. What I do have a problem with was the way he handled the pressure. As Aidnai pointed out he said that he didn't have a plausible cause to suspect someone, and imedietly after votes for GGQ. Then ILJ changes his vote to Aidnai with the motivation that he thinks that Aidnai's post was "useless content". I really think it was not. On Sinani: I don't really understand why people are suspicious of him. I can see there is some hypocracy in telling people to do something, and then don't do it yourself, but isn't it possible that Sinani just haven't got any scums in the crosshair, so to speak? Now that I think about it it doesn't really make sense to have nothing to say and post as much as he does, but again, if you post to little people are gonna be annoyed with you anyways. I'm note sure about this one. For now he is second on my scumlist. On Aidnai: As i have understood it, people don't like that he spammed some in the beginning? Maybe I just don't properly understand what's happening, but i think that Aidnai's contributing have weighd up his spamming, by far. For example someone said he was bragging about sniping a blue. I don't think that was the case. I think his intentions was just what he said it was; to help newer players to not make noob misstakes. For other new-er blues in this game, i'm gonna bring this up since Chaos13 is dead already anyway: look at chaos13's posts. There's like 4-5 of them from N0, and all but maybe one are giving blues advice, asking for blue advice, or otherwise discussing blue roles. IMO, he was a pretty obvious snipe. Moral of the story: don't spend a lot of time talking about blues and nothing else. We can talk about this more post-game. Also i think his criticism of other players have been pretty sharp. I don't understand why people would vote for him, even if he was spammy earlier and even if he would only have posted useless information. In my opinion both Sinani and ILJ seem more scummy. Especially ILJ. And to clearify. I know I haven't contributed with any new facts, this is just my thoughts at the facts at hand. My vote goes to ILJ. ##Vote ilovejonn Btw, I messed up and posted this in the voting thread. I realized that i did but for some stupid reason forgot to post it here. Sorry about the mess. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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Lynch kenpachi, honestly maybe I make bold statements but at least I provide reasoning. | ||
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sandroba
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
The pressure was good, but this bandwagon is bad. Kenpachi, why is BC the godfather? | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
I dislike the kenpachi vote, isn't he always like that? It's like trying to lynch bill murray for talking too much ==;; | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On June 17 2011 04:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Seriously though, I am not joking. Fuck the other 3 candidates. That was the single worst thing I ever ever read. He is inactive then makes a blanket statement with NO evidence then falls back into inactivity? It's so reckless, and annoying. It needs to go right now. Lynch kenpachi, honestly maybe I make bold statements but at least I provide reasoning. I can understand how mad you are because most vets tend to have the same response atleast once (or more!) I say BC is mafia because I dont really see the usefulness in his posts. He made a lot of lists and pointed out a bunch of inactives (including you) but really, thats it. I guess its brash to accuse him of being mafia when i think there is nothing to talk about but still. | ||
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LandenC
Canada55 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Wanting DT's to check outside of the list, making him safe from check if red(but not if gf ofc). After seeing RoL jump to his defense after Kens vote, I think RoL and BC might both be red thus not having DT's check into the list helps them even more. + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2011 13:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: We as a group will draw insane scrutiny from town and as such dt checks should be used on anyone not us. The group of us should be forced to prove our worth to town. It also provides us with a list that if there are any reds in shooting into becomes dangerous as it lowers the possible hiding spots for them. This should effectively keep veteran townies alive and kicking longer while letting medics work elsewhere. Dts should be firing into people who are likely to be inactive, or have posted something insanely suspicious. Medics should protect anyone who is not listed above. Note: This is for night 0 and potentially night 1 only. Past that time frame enough information should be garnered in thread for blues to act properly and the vets to properly distinguish sides. Next is his only real vote or FoS from him. All other posts of his don't have much scum hunting. He votes for node so he at least got a vote in but it will pretty much go unnoticed. + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2011 09:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I would like to say however that until he makes a post in the thread I will be sticking a vote on node. He didn't post anything serious during night 0 and he has been afk thus far into day 1. However I would like to get him talking. ##vote node Rest of his posts mainly just general talk about lurkers lists and bad plans. No real scum hunting just pressure on lurkers. + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2011 12:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Its a horrrrrrrrrible strategy and by know means should be used. Had mataza not stressed how bad this idea was I would be pushing for his lynch right now. The only saving grace of it is that it will have people talking. On June 16 2011 12:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Oh it is a terrrrrrrible plan don't get me wrong. But if the options are take shitty ideas to force discussion or let town lurk itself to death theres only one option really. This all being said, people have to start talking. We have FoS on sinani, aidnai, and Ilovejohn. I would like to hear from everyone in regards to these three. I will also propose this. If by say noon EST thursday (tommorrow for me) we have not yet heard from people on the zodiac list assume most of the 3 on the lynch docket are likely to be town or mostly town and we instead lynch an obvious uncontributing lurker. With the level of stagnance so far it seems better to kill someone who wont help at all than those who will potentially slip up later if red, or attempt to help if town. I don't like the idea of shooting active voices with so much inactivity. If the newer players are afraid of posting on chance of revealing their roles, ask the mods who are potential people that could coach them from outside the game or mason someone you feel could give you some help within it. Short of that inactivity will lose the town the game. On June 14 2011 13:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The advantage of it is if there are any reds in the list (i would assume there is at least one if not more) that shooting into the list this early on potentially outs themselves. It potentially protects people without the use of a med and lets them instead prot more likely blue snipes. On June 16 2011 13:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Depends on the vet to be honest. So far only node and RoL need to be accounted for as of right now. If both appear with decent posts I would say leave the list as it is and throw either dt checks into it, or give 1 more day to let everyone analyze the group. If they both stay horribly inactive lynching one of them is potentially more useful. If they are however active I would say we get a list of inactives and just lynch one. On June 17 2011 03:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK as of right now we have a bunch of people who are hella lurking Key two of these are RebirthofLegend and node. Seriously you two, shape the fuck up. Level of activity of node Jacinto Landec suggests we have potential modkills incoming, however if they appear to vote later I would say keep a close on eye them and if they jump on the easy bandwagon or not. That all being said, of sinani/aidnai/ilj (not sure why these 3 are still on the docket but whatever) ILJ has stated he will be inactive which doesn't help anyone but scum. Of the 3 he is the only one who would sit well in the case he is not mafia. My vote for now will still stay on node until node posts and or votes and I will then shift it over to ILJ unless a more compelling case for someone else has appeared. I agree with Kenpachi, BC looks suspicious and gets my vote for now. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On June 17 2011 04:49 sandroba wrote: For people saying FoS kenpachi, mainly RoL and BC. You guys are vets and have played with him countless times. He ALWAYS posts like that despite his aligment, specially early on and you guys know it. While I agree that he should step up his posting, because he's always useless early game, there's abosolutely no reason for you guys to FoS him based on that. I find that kenpachi, despite his useless posting, usually has nice intuition and will be easier to determine his aligment down the line based on his voting history. He didnt even provide a reason. He has shown is actively lurking the thread not posting anything remotely helpful, sheeping then randomly out of the blue calls the first person to FoS him off his bad posting gf. I have seen him do useful things, I have seen him do useful analysis as town. But playing the way he is it just makes it far to easy for scum to hide. With the game as inactive as it is with only about half the players posting the level of hiding ground for mafia is absolutely ridiculous. He has the experience to and ability to help the town now as it needs it and instead hes not. That gets a FoS. It is a fairly straight forward way to look at it. If hes going to vote properly justify it. Having to spend an entire game keeping someone alive just to determine alignment based on voting history is also a terrible way of doing things. You FoS them for what they do. Are they pushing bad lynches, not helping town, etc..... Is he guarenteed red? no, is he being a helpful town member? No. Are mafia much more likely to be unhelpful? Yes. ILJ, Sinani and aidnai have at least all offered something in defense of their self and to benefit the town. Kenpachi hasn't. He has also gone so far to say he doesn't intend on seriously trying anytime soon. On June 17 2011 04:57 Kenpachi wrote: I can understand how mad you are because most vets tend to have the same response atleast once (or more!) I say BC is mafia because I dont really see the usefulness in his posts. He made a lot of lists and pointed out a bunch of inactives (including you) but really, thats it. I guess its brash to accuse him of being mafia when i think there is nothing to talk about but still. You say I'm mafia because you don't see usefullness? How is me mentioning "hey, lynching people who are active on bad reasoning" useless? How about when we have little information we hit people obviously lurking. Prevent scum from hiding in lurkers and they out themselves. Yea deff useless mindset. You may not see much to talk about but you should at least be able to see whats being done wrong. Rather than help with it you instead sit back and do basically nothing. Everyone should jump off the 3 bandwagons as of now and opt to instead lynch one of these inactives. GrassGiraffe LandenC lazorbear I have never seen any of the 3 in a game before and they have all sat back and done nothing but lurk. Newbie mafia are likely to lurk rather than post out of fear for outing themselves, so this seems a smarter place to start than killing active players who will out themselves later if they are red. I did not include node in the list above purely because if he does reappear I would rather keep around someone who I know has the ability to help town rather than 3 people who are unknowns in ability. ##vote grassgiraffe | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
Also, inactive lynching never gets my vote because you know.. theyre inactive? they kill themselves. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Suggest others do the same. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On June 17 2011 05:12 Kenpachi wrote: because what you say is insanely obvious. Also, inactive lynching never gets my vote because you know.. theyre inactive? they kill themselves. /facepalm | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
Sinani: Of the three lurkers, which do you think is scummiest, and why? Or are none of them scummy? Just give me your thoughts on them in general. | ||
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sinani206
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On June 17 2011 05:03 LandenC wrote: After seeing Kenpachis post I can see where he is coming from about BC. + Show Spoiler + Wanting DT's to check outside of the list, making him safe from check if red(but not if gf ofc). After seeing RoL jump to his defense after Kens vote, I think RoL and BC might both be red thus not having DT's check into the list helps them even more. + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2011 13:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: We as a group will draw insane scrutiny from town and as such dt checks should be used on anyone not us. The group of us should be forced to prove our worth to town. It also provides us with a list that if there are any reds in shooting into becomes dangerous as it lowers the possible hiding spots for them. This should effectively keep veteran townies alive and kicking longer while letting medics work elsewhere. Dts should be firing into people who are likely to be inactive, or have posted something insanely suspicious. Medics should protect anyone who is not listed above. Note: This is for night 0 and potentially night 1 only. Past that time frame enough information should be garnered in thread for blues to act properly and the vets to properly distinguish sides. Next is his only real vote or FoS from him. All other posts of his don't have much scum hunting. He votes for node so he at least got a vote in but it will pretty much go unnoticed. + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2011 09:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I would like to say however that until he makes a post in the thread I will be sticking a vote on node. He didn't post anything serious during night 0 and he has been afk thus far into day 1. However I would like to get him talking. ##vote node Rest of his posts mainly just general talk about lurkers lists and bad plans. No real scum hunting just pressure on lurkers. + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2011 12:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Its a horrrrrrrrrible strategy and by know means should be used. Had mataza not stressed how bad this idea was I would be pushing for his lynch right now. The only saving grace of it is that it will have people talking. On June 16 2011 12:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Oh it is a terrrrrrrible plan don't get me wrong. But if the options are take shitty ideas to force discussion or let town lurk itself to death theres only one option really. This all being said, people have to start talking. We have FoS on sinani, aidnai, and Ilovejohn. I would like to hear from everyone in regards to these three. I will also propose this. If by say noon EST thursday (tommorrow for me) we have not yet heard from people on the zodiac list assume most of the 3 on the lynch docket are likely to be town or mostly town and we instead lynch an obvious uncontributing lurker. With the level of stagnance so far it seems better to kill someone who wont help at all than those who will potentially slip up later if red, or attempt to help if town. I don't like the idea of shooting active voices with so much inactivity. If the newer players are afraid of posting on chance of revealing their roles, ask the mods who are potential people that could coach them from outside the game or mason someone you feel could give you some help within it. Short of that inactivity will lose the town the game. On June 14 2011 13:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The advantage of it is if there are any reds in the list (i would assume there is at least one if not more) that shooting into the list this early on potentially outs themselves. It potentially protects people without the use of a med and lets them instead prot more likely blue snipes. On June 16 2011 13:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Depends on the vet to be honest. So far only node and RoL need to be accounted for as of right now. If both appear with decent posts I would say leave the list as it is and throw either dt checks into it, or give 1 more day to let everyone analyze the group. If they both stay horribly inactive lynching one of them is potentially more useful. If they are however active I would say we get a list of inactives and just lynch one. On June 17 2011 03:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK as of right now we have a bunch of people who are hella lurking Key two of these are RebirthofLegend and node. Seriously you two, shape the fuck up. Level of activity of node Jacinto Landec suggests we have potential modkills incoming, however if they appear to vote later I would say keep a close on eye them and if they jump on the easy bandwagon or not. That all being said, of sinani/aidnai/ilj (not sure why these 3 are still on the docket but whatever) ILJ has stated he will be inactive which doesn't help anyone but scum. Of the 3 he is the only one who would sit well in the case he is not mafia. My vote for now will still stay on node until node posts and or votes and I will then shift it over to ILJ unless a more compelling case for someone else has appeared. I agree with Kenpachi, BC looks suspicious and gets my vote for now. Your new so maybe you don't understand some things. Day 1 is near impossible to scumhunt unless people realllly fuck up somewhere along the line. It's even harder when players like yourself opt to sitback and not post until pressured. You were lurking, you got called out, and suddenly the person who does it is red. You mention I am red because of the zodiac list? all the names of players on that list are people who will prove their alignment via play in thread, analysis done on them, etc... Dt checks are far more useful being directed at people (much like yourself) who are lurking hard and not contributing. If someone is unreadable because they skirt by sheeping the entire game a dt check can clear them or damn them very quickly. A gf is much more likely to be hiding in a list of veteran players than it is amongst lurkers as well. Making myself accountable for my actions and adding scruitiny to myself is not pro mafia, its pro town. You then mention most of my posts are on bad plans? pushing to kill lurkers? Wow, since when is trying to organize people from doing bad moves an anti town play? Trying to organize people and get them to realize bandwagons they are on are most likely wrong is not mafia play. Take a look at the major 3 bandwagons. All 3 started fairly early and had next to no opposition except from the players involved. No one was defending them? at all? Instead there was next to no discussion, people sheep'd onto some of those lists not even justifying themselves. That screams mafia are content to sit back and let the shit happen. Use your head people. | ||
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Kenpachi
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