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##Vote:Sinani206
Seems to be the only one suspicious
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
/game face ... ill get my shit on later. ##Vote:Sinani206 Seems to be the only one suspicious | ||
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Kenpachi
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On June 16 2011 20:10 VisceraEyes wrote: @BC What are your thoughts on the aidnai/ilj/sinani206 Lynch Prospect? I for one agree with youngminii's assessment of the vote-list so far. I have already said I am not happy at all with those 3 as prospects. None of them strike me as horrifically red and of the group the only one I would lynch is ILJ for basically saying hes going to be mad inactive most likely from now on. With all the lurkers jumping out and voting with very little justification, I honestly think we should be considering new prospects. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
He hasn't defended himself or started scumhunting, despite posting in the thread, even when prodded. It's time to turn up the heat. I personally think that ilovejonn is town, and aidnai is in the clear in my book too, for now. That leaves sinani.  Oh, and to the dudes voting without posting: Major FoS. Seriously, why? Don't just vote to avoid the modkill, play the game, for christ's sake. grassgiraffe, could you tell us what you think of the game so far? Your only post has been the worst bandwagon I've ever seen. Node is still unaccounted for, right? | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On June 16 2011 21:12 Impervious wrote: EBWOP - Also, I'd like to say that I really dislike sandroba's plan, and although RoL's plan is a little better, I don't like it either, because we could screw ourselves out of half of the towns mason abilities for the cost of a single red (if he's scum). Another thought: I'm not going to say who I've masoned or been masoned by. I'd advise everyone to do the same for now. Revealing it may be useful later on for scumhunting purposes, but right now it'll only clutter up any discussions, and I'm pretty sure the mafia could use it to easily distract us. A further thought: DT's - if you've found a red, you could push for a lynch, or you could try to look through the thread for any blue slips and find a vigi. If you find a vigi, you could simply mason them and get them to use their ability. Since the GF had to pick his role to appear, I'd doubt he'd pick it as vigi (although you never know), so this should be pretty safe. Otherwise, you could continue looking for more scum, and try to push for their lynch + breadcrumb your knowledge in case you die. It´s not that easy to find blueslips for a vigi in this thread. Discussion flows at the speed of snails, so anyone has ample time revise their post or just postpone them for a couple of hours and they will still be on the same page. What you propose will most probably achieve the following: Our blues will use their mason abilities on snippets and unsure reads. If they mistake lurking scum for a lurking blue, they invite themselves to a nice, beefy bullet buffet N1. Cops should breadcrumb their checks and that´s that. Aside from that, I´m disappointed that votes travel away from ILJ without any reason but prolonged silence in this thread. Look at the low activity. I would strongly consider that scum wouldn´t defend their buddies, but instead wait for people to get insecure about the case and change the vote on their own accord. Which happened, YM did drop the case already. Imho the Sinani case is jumping on townie acts scummy because he has no reads. Not having any noteworthy reads is not a crime especially in this thread where fuck all happens. The Aidnai case is laughable at best. The only thing that stumbled upon me is Demorcerfs first post: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2011 08:13 DeMorcerf wrote: On page 9: "Focus on behavioral analysis because there is no way to legitimately break the game set up that doesn't come with considerable risk. . . . . Focus on behavioral analysis and putting pressure on people, that is how towns have won games in the past, and that's how we will win this game. Making a plan to abuse format is always secondary to behavioral analysis in any set up." At any point in the game... though I can't think of any logic to explain why they wouldn't do it before the first night ends. Has anyone seen a mafia that waited? Concerning this zodiac plan, I don't think I really understand why we wouldn't want the insurance-agents (medics) to keep as many of the most experienced players as possible alive for the first day or two and tell them not to attempt to save anyone on that list? The more of those players we keep around, are we not more likely to have a greater number of well-designed posts with strong analysis? Those players are the best at putting pressure and stimulating discussion and analysis. How do these plans work though if only a few people follow each of them? sandroba's plan seems overly bizarre and complex to me, I question how much useful and trustworthy information we could gain from it, especially if the majority of the town seems to have already expressed a strong opinion that they will not follow/ignore it. Rebirthoflegend's attempt to mass up mason-partners should allow him additional analysis of whoever does mason him, even if only half a dozen do so. If he is mafia though? I am wondering how efficient it will be if a large percentage of the town uses one of their two masons on the same, one person, couldn't it limit the ability of the town to disseminate information later on should that person die at some point or turn out to be scum? We shouldn't entirely rely on one person's analysis production obviously. Viscera, did Rebirth actually suggest we leave it just to him? Everyone should be contributing in analysis, those who don't attempt to do so are suspicious, aren't they? Second thing I noticed, he seems to be in love with questions marks. Dribbling about without any conclusion and reiterating a lot of what other people already said. You could shorten it into: "Sandrobas plan seems overly bizarre and complex to me. I doubt it would bring us any info even if it worked. As for RoL´s plan, we shouldn't entirely rely on one person's analysis production obviously. Viscera, did Rebirth actually suggest we leave it just to him? " That is the only thing I picked up so far, and it sure as hell is not much. He is with very likely just an insecure new player and town. But as this thread direly needs topics to discuss: What does the rest of you think? | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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DeMorcerf
United States56 Posts
I would not lynch aidnai on the basis of some excited spamming on his birthday or spamming out of boredom. Such a lynch is certainly premature. The fact that a few people - e.g. Fudge (his only day post was instead agreeing with yminii that jonn was scummy) and grass - have voted for sinani with no real explanation post makes me slightly hesitant to vote for him. Yet, he jumped to defend his lack of a N0 post by informing us that we should not post at N0 as it only helps mafia -- if you felt so strongly about this, why not tell us at the start of N0 this opinion -- which seems silly to me because what are we supposed to do then just sit around until the D1, we have to start discussion at some point. I don't understand why a town would tell a player not to defend/attempt to debunk an argument against him. It's suspicious that he posted twice on yminii's argument saying essentially the same thing reworded. On June 16 2011 05:16 sinani206 wrote: Yes, it didn't make any sense to me, and I wish he hadn't waited til 9 hours later to explain what he meant by that post because it made him sound scummy. He seems to be taking his own advice that he gave at the start though, not to defend oneself, 'cept he hasn't carried out the second part of his advice to scumhunt in place of defense. At this current time I am willing to lynch ilj or sinani.Wait I just realized that what I said doesn't make any sense at all. Carry on. @mataza, I see that you posted while I am writing this; aidnai already said the exact same thing about me. I am very new, and in my night post I asked a couple questions and rhetorical questions; (I'll try to avoid the '?' key in the future; my earlier day post had none.) | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:00 Varpulis wrote: FoS sinani206. After declining to post N0 (not inherently scummy, though i disagree with the reasoning) Sinani begins posting on the topic of ilovejonn, as brought up by Youngminii. he is referring to youngminii's analysis here He criticizes the accusation and the defender, not really taking a stance. In the bolded sentences, he defends ilovejonn by stating that meta is not valid because of the night 0 start, but then calls ilovejonn scummy for defending himself. [i][b]I wasn't trying to defend or attack anyone with this post. I was trying to make sure that both players wouldn't be doing stupid things to early into the game[b][i] Repeats what he said before, does the same thing, saying that the analysis is bad while saying that ilovejonn defending himself is not good play. [i][b]I had to reiterate what I said because youngminii wasn't listening to me[b][i] The bolded phrase especially bothers me. Why would you say that? This makes me suspicious that he's trying to reassure us that he's town and knows how to play. [i][b]That was an opening clause to give emphasis. Not much else I can say on that. It was subconscious.[b][i] Once youngminii calls him out for disregarding part of his analysis and telling people just to scumhunt instead of defend themselves, he gets defensive and apologetic. This post is basically just sucking up to Youngminii. By agreeing with a vocal pro town player, he's attempting to make himself seem more pro town himself. Also, he's defending his actions when nobody is accusing him. [i][b]I was not trying to suck up to anyone. youngminii was interpreting my posts the wrong way and I was explaining to him what I meant.[b][i] Sinani is falsely contributing, attempting to blend in, and playing too safe. This analysis doesn't have any context at all. If you'd read the wording of the posts of youngminii and ilovejonn, you would be able to see what I meant with most, if not all, of these posts. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:00 Varpulis wrote: FoS sinani206. After declining to post N0 (not inherently scummy, though i disagree with the reasoning) Sinani begins posting on the topic of ilovejonn, as brought up by Youngminii. he is referring to youngminii's analysis here He criticizes the accusation and the defender, not really taking a stance. In the bolded sentences, he defends ilovejonn by stating that meta is not valid because of the night 0 start, but then calls ilovejonn scummy for defending himself. I wasn't trying to defend or attack anyone with this post. I was trying to make sure that both players wouldn't be doing stupid things to early into the game Repeats what he said before, does the same thing, saying that the analysis is bad while saying that ilovejonn defending himself is not good play. I had to reiterate what I said because youngminii wasn't listening to me The bolded phrase especially bothers me. Why would you say that? This makes me suspicious that he's trying to reassure us that he's town and knows how to play. That was an opening clause to give emphasis. Not much else I can say on that. It was subconscious. Once youngminii calls him out for disregarding part of his analysis and telling people just to scumhunt instead of defend themselves, he gets defensive and apologetic. This post is basically just sucking up to Youngminii. By agreeing with a vocal pro town player, he's attempting to make himself seem more pro town himself. Also, he's defending his actions when nobody is accusing him. I was not trying to suck up to anyone. youngminii was interpreting my posts the wrong way and I was explaining to him what I meant. Sinani is falsely contributing, attempting to blend in, and playing too safe. This analysis doesn't have any context at all. If you'd read the wording of the posts of youngminii and ilovejonn, you would be able to see what I meant with most, if not all, of these posts.[/QUOTE] | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On June 17 2011 00:38 Varpulis wrote: So, sinani isn't back, eh? ##Vote Sinani206 Reasons He hasn't defended himself or started scumhunting, despite posting in the thread, even when prodded. It's time to turn up the heat. I personally think that ilovejonn is town, and aidnai is in the clear in my book too, for now. That leaves sinani. Oh, and to the dudes voting without posting: Major FoS. Seriously, why? Don't just vote to avoid the modkill, play the game, for christ's sake. grassgiraffe, could you tell us what you think of the game so far? Your only post has been the worst bandwagon I've ever seen. Node is still unaccounted for, right? Yeah it's really sad that half of the votes from are from people have have posted once or not at all. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
Yeah it's really sad that half of the votes for me are from people have have posted once or not at all. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
His contributions so far + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2011 05:59 Kenpachi wrote: hi im Kenpachi i slept all day yesterday so thats the reason why i was mia (surprise!) btw, im a townie On June 16 2011 10:13 Kenpachi wrote: There is nothing to talk about for me really.. I cant say much except that Sinani has been a total hypocrite. Other than that, i just cant put a finger on w/e is going on right now On June 16 2011 22:49 Kenpachi wrote: kk. Time to get my shit on. /game face ... ill get my shit on later. ##Vote:Sinani206 Seems to be the only one suspicious You can do better than this Meanwhile, we've about 9 hours until lynch and 11 people haven't voted yet aidnai, demorcerf, GGQ, hiro protagonist, Imprevious, Jacinto, LandenC, Lazorbear, Node, sandroba, sinari206 In addition, 5 people haven't even posted today. GGQ has been around today at least, but hasn't graced this thread with his presence. GGQ, Jacinto, LandenC, Lazorbear, Node (Jacinto and LandenC didn't post on N0 either) At the pace things are going, we won't have much material to work on tomorrow unless we somehow hit the jackpot with the lynch or night actions. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
I also like it when people complain about the inactivity and then do nothing to help change it. Sinani if you don't want to be killed in vain you should probably present a case against someone. Do you still think John is scummy? | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 16 2011 20:23 VisceraEyes wrote: @Shraft I find it interesting that in the reasoning behind voting for ilovejohn, you mention both youngminii AND Mig as influences, yet they're both voting for sinani206. Why do you feel ilovejohn is the better lynch? I feel that ILJ is the better lynch because of this: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2011 14:52 ilovejonn wrote:. Also, don't try to do a meta-read on me, I might be playing different because I want to, I may be playing different because I've learned a few things, I might like to use "I think" or "unless of course" because I deemed it necessary to show that I am unsure (it was n0 after all). When you meta read someone, you're heavily biased to see what you wanted to see in the first place anyways. When YM pointed out that ILJ's play in this game looks similar to what his Mafia play has looked like in previous games he responds with the quote in the spoiler above, basically saying "I might be attempting to play different in this game, don't metagame me". Now, if this is true, that he is in fact playing differently, then he has to be town now, but chosing to play more cautiously and making more contentless posts, being very afraid of sticking his neck out. This would be a very bad way for him to change his playstyle, which in why I believe that his statement about him changing his play was just an outright lie that he told to get away easily from the accusation. I believe that he is the best lynch candidate and I am going to keep my vote on him. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On June 17 2011 01:57 Scamp wrote: Nice ninja. I was just about to post the non-vote list. Though Demorcerf did vote. I also like it when people complain about the inactivity and then do nothing to help change it. Sinani if you don't want to be killed in vain you should probably present a case against someone. Do you still think John is scummy? Yeah. He defended himself early and isn't now. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
Key two of these are RebirthofLegend and node. Seriously you two, shape the fuck up. Level of activity of node Jacinto Landec suggests we have potential modkills incoming, however if they appear to vote later I would say keep a close on eye them and if they jump on the easy bandwagon or not. That all being said, of sinani/aidnai/ilj (not sure why these 3 are still on the docket but whatever) ILJ has stated he will be inactive which doesn't help anyone but scum. Of the 3 he is the only one who would sit well in the case he is not mafia. My vote for now will still stay on node until node posts and or votes and I will then shift it over to ILJ unless a more compelling case for someone else has appeared. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On June 16 2011 22:49 Kenpachi wrote: kk. Time to get my shit on. /game face ... ill get my shit on later. ##Vote:Sinani206 Seems to be the only one suspicious Wait? this is your contribution to the thread? what the fuck. You know better than this Serious FoS. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On June 17 2011 01:06 Mataza wrote: It´s not that easy to find blueslips for a vigi in this thread. Discussion flows at the speed of snails, so anyone has ample time revise their post or just postpone them for a couple of hours and they will still be on the same page. What you propose will most probably achieve the following: Our blues will use their mason abilities on snippets and unsure reads. If they mistake lurking scum for a lurking blue, they invite themselves to a nice, beefy bullet buffet N1. Cops should breadcrumb their checks and that´s that. Aside from that, I´m disappointed that votes travel away from ILJ without any reason but prolonged silence in this thread. Look at the low activity. I would strongly consider that scum wouldn´t defend their buddies, but instead wait for people to get insecure about the case and change the vote on their own accord. Which happened, YM did drop the case already. Imho the Sinani case is jumping on townie acts scummy because he has no reads. Not having any noteworthy reads is not a crime especially in this thread where fuck all happens. The Aidnai case is laughable at best. The only thing that stumbled upon me is Demorcerfs first post: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2011 08:13 DeMorcerf wrote: On page 9: "Focus on behavioral analysis because there is no way to legitimately break the game set up that doesn't come with considerable risk. . . . . Focus on behavioral analysis and putting pressure on people, that is how towns have won games in the past, and that's how we will win this game. Making a plan to abuse format is always secondary to behavioral analysis in any set up." At any point in the game... though I can't think of any logic to explain why they wouldn't do it before the first night ends. Has anyone seen a mafia that waited? Concerning this zodiac plan, I don't think I really understand why we wouldn't want the insurance-agents (medics) to keep as many of the most experienced players as possible alive for the first day or two and tell them not to attempt to save anyone on that list? The more of those players we keep around, are we not more likely to have a greater number of well-designed posts with strong analysis? Those players are the best at putting pressure and stimulating discussion and analysis. How do these plans work though if only a few people follow each of them? sandroba's plan seems overly bizarre and complex to me, I question how much useful and trustworthy information we could gain from it, especially if the majority of the town seems to have already expressed a strong opinion that they will not follow/ignore it. Rebirthoflegend's attempt to mass up mason-partners should allow him additional analysis of whoever does mason him, even if only half a dozen do so. If he is mafia though? I am wondering how efficient it will be if a large percentage of the town uses one of their two masons on the same, one person, couldn't it limit the ability of the town to disseminate information later on should that person die at some point or turn out to be scum? We shouldn't entirely rely on one person's analysis production obviously. Viscera, did Rebirth actually suggest we leave it just to him? Everyone should be contributing in analysis, those who don't attempt to do so are suspicious, aren't they? Second thing I noticed, he seems to be in love with questions marks. Dribbling about without any conclusion and reiterating a lot of what other people already said. You could shorten it into: "Sandrobas plan seems overly bizarre and complex to me. I doubt it would bring us any info even if it worked. As for RoL´s plan, we shouldn't entirely rely on one person's analysis production obviously. Viscera, did Rebirth actually suggest we leave it just to him? " That is the only thing I picked up so far, and it sure as hell is not much. He is with very likely just an insecure new player and town. But as this thread direly needs topics to discuss: What does the rest of you think? I am boss as fuck. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On June 17 2011 03:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wait? this is your contribution to the thread? what the fuck. You know better than this Serious FoS. i do know better as you are aware. yet i still posted it. cmon now. FoS BC | ||
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Kenpachi
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