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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
June 16 2011 13:49 GMT
#361
kk. Time to get my shit on.
/game face

...
ill get my shit on later.

##Vote:Sinani206

Seems to be the only one suspicious
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
June 16 2011 13:50 GMT
#362
wait where the fuck is he..
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
June 16 2011 15:10 GMT
#363
On June 16 2011 20:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
@BC
What are your thoughts on the aidnai/ilj/sinani206 Lynch Prospect? I for one agree with youngminii's assessment of the vote-list so far.


I have already said I am not happy at all with those 3 as prospects. None of them strike me as horrifically red and of the group the only one I would lynch is ILJ for basically saying hes going to be mad inactive most likely from now on.

With all the lurkers jumping out and voting with very little justification, I honestly think we should be considering new prospects.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
June 16 2011 15:38 GMT
#364
So, sinani isn't back, eh? ##Vote Sinani206 Reasons
He hasn't defended himself or started scumhunting, despite posting in the thread, even when prodded. It's time to turn up the heat. I personally think that ilovejonn is town, and aidnai is in the clear in my book too, for now.

That leaves sinani.

Oh, and to the dudes voting without posting: Major FoS. Seriously, why? Don't just vote to avoid the modkill, play the game, for christ's sake. grassgiraffe, could you tell us what you think of the game so far? Your only post has been the worst bandwagon I've ever seen.

Node is still unaccounted for, right?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 16 2011 16:06 GMT
#365
On June 16 2011 21:12 Impervious wrote:
EBWOP - Also, I'd like to say that I really dislike sandroba's plan, and although RoL's plan is a little better, I don't like it either, because we could screw ourselves out of half of the towns mason abilities for the cost of a single red (if he's scum).

Another thought:

I'm not going to say who I've masoned or been masoned by. I'd advise everyone to do the same for now. Revealing it may be useful later on for scumhunting purposes, but right now it'll only clutter up any discussions, and I'm pretty sure the mafia could use it to easily distract us.

A further thought:

DT's - if you've found a red, you could push for a lynch, or you could try to look through the thread for any blue slips and find a vigi. If you find a vigi, you could simply mason them and get them to use their ability. Since the GF had to pick his role to appear, I'd doubt he'd pick it as vigi (although you never know), so this should be pretty safe. Otherwise, you could continue looking for more scum, and try to push for their lynch + breadcrumb your knowledge in case you die.


It´s not that easy to find blueslips for a vigi in this thread. Discussion flows at the speed of snails, so anyone has ample time revise their post or just postpone them for a couple of hours and they will still be on the same page.

What you propose will most probably achieve the following:
Our blues will use their mason abilities on snippets and unsure reads.
If they mistake lurking scum for a lurking blue, they invite themselves to a nice, beefy bullet buffet N1.
Cops should breadcrumb their checks and that´s that.


Aside from that, I´m disappointed that votes travel away from ILJ without any reason but prolonged silence in this thread. Look at the low activity. I would strongly consider that scum wouldn´t defend their buddies, but instead wait for people to get insecure about the case and change the vote on their own accord. Which happened, YM did drop the case already.

Imho the Sinani case is jumping on townie acts scummy because he has no reads.
Not having any noteworthy reads is not a crime especially in this thread where fuck all happens.
The Aidnai case is laughable at best.

The only thing that stumbled upon me is Demorcerfs first post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 15 2011 08:13 DeMorcerf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 07:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 15 2011 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
The idea of this game is to try and determine who is scum through analyzing their behavior, not figuring out how to break the system using power-roles.

The power-roles are there as tools to be used as necessary, not crutches to base our entire game upon.

This message has been brought to you by a noob.

I think I said that 5 posts ago.

On page 9: "Focus on behavioral analysis because there is no way to legitimately break the game set up that doesn't come with considerable risk. . . . .
Focus on behavioral analysis and putting pressure on people, that is how towns have won games in the past, and that's how we will win this game. Making a plan to abuse format is always secondary to behavioral analysis in any set up."

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On June 15 2011 04:37 Mig wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Why is it a huge if that sandroba could be the GF? I assume mafia elects their GF n0, unless they did it before the game. So if they elect the GF tonight then they just propose the plan and make sandroba the GF anytime it looks like the plan will work. So if this were the case anytime sandroba is mafia we would reveal our entire blue list to them.

When is the GF elected?

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On June 07 2011 02:18 flamewheel wrote:
Out of the six of you, you may choose two to receive Mafia Power Roles (Godfather or Roleblocker). You may send in your choice[s] at any point in the game, but you will not have access to whatever power you chose until you do send in the notification.

At any point in the game... though I can't think of any logic to explain why they wouldn't do it before the first night ends. Has anyone seen a mafia that waited?

Concerning this zodiac plan, I don't think I really understand why we wouldn't want the insurance-agents (medics) to keep as many of the most experienced players as possible alive for the first day or two and tell them not to attempt to save anyone on that list? The more of those players we keep around, are we not more likely to have a greater number of well-designed posts with strong analysis? Those players are the best at putting pressure and stimulating discussion and analysis.

How do these plans work though if only a few people follow each of them?
sandroba's plan seems overly bizarre and complex to me, I question how much useful and trustworthy information we could gain from it, especially if the majority of the town seems to have already expressed a strong opinion that they will not follow/ignore it.
Rebirthoflegend's attempt to mass up mason-partners should allow him additional analysis of whoever does mason him, even if only half a dozen do so. If he is mafia though? I am wondering how efficient it will be if a large percentage of the town uses one of their two masons on the same, one person, couldn't it limit the ability of the town to disseminate information later on should that person die at some point or turn out to be scum? We shouldn't entirely rely on one person's analysis production obviously. Viscera, did Rebirth actually suggest we leave it just to him? Everyone should be contributing in analysis, those who don't attempt to do so are suspicious, aren't they?

First thing I noticed, he rephrases a quote into a paragraph. Pure fluff.
Second thing I noticed, he seems to be in love with questions marks. Dribbling about without any conclusion and reiterating a lot of what other people already said.

You could shorten it into:
"Sandrobas plan seems overly bizarre and complex to me. I doubt it would bring us any info even if it worked.
As for RoL´s plan, we shouldn't entirely rely on one person's analysis production obviously. Viscera, did Rebirth actually suggest we leave it just to him? "

That is the only thing I picked up so far, and it sure as hell is not much.
He is with very likely just an insecure new player and town.
But as this thread direly needs topics to discuss:
What does the rest of you think?
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
June 16 2011 16:22 GMT
#366
There's this thing called sleep. I don't know if you people know how or what it is or how to do it. It's quite essential to survival... My last post was made right before I went to sleep, just woke up.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
DeMorcerf
Profile Joined June 2011
United States56 Posts
June 16 2011 16:26 GMT
#367
I already gave my opinion of ilj; I found his list at the start of the day really suspicious.
I would not lynch aidnai on the basis of some excited spamming on his birthday or spamming out of boredom. Such a lynch is certainly premature.
The fact that a few people - e.g. Fudge (his only day post was instead agreeing with yminii that jonn was scummy) and grass - have voted for sinani with no real explanation post makes me slightly hesitant to vote for him.
Yet, he jumped to defend his lack of a N0 post by informing us that we should not post at N0 as it only helps mafia -- if you felt so strongly about this, why not tell us at the start of N0 this opinion -- which seems silly to me because what are we supposed to do then just sit around until the D1, we have to start discussion at some point. I don't understand why a town would tell a player not to defend/attempt to debunk an argument against him. It's suspicious that he posted twice on yminii's argument saying essentially the same thing reworded.
On June 16 2011 05:16 sinani206 wrote:
Wait I just realized that what I said doesn't make any sense at all. Carry on.
Yes, it didn't make any sense to me, and I wish he hadn't waited til 9 hours later to explain what he meant by that post because it made him sound scummy. He seems to be taking his own advice that he gave at the start though, not to defend oneself, 'cept he hasn't carried out the second part of his advice to scumhunt in place of defense. At this current time I am willing to lynch ilj or sinani.

@mataza, I see that you posted while I am writing this; aidnai already said the exact same thing about me. I am very new, and in my night post I asked a couple questions and rhetorical questions; (I'll try to avoid the '?' key in the future; my earlier day post had none.)
"Yavaş, Yavaş!" What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Ohio!
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
June 16 2011 16:34 GMT
#368
On June 16 2011 05:00 Varpulis wrote:
FoS sinani206.

After declining to post N0 (not inherently scummy, though i disagree with the reasoning) Sinani begins posting on the topic of ilovejonn, as brought up by Youngminii. he is referring to youngminii's analysis here
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 15:09 sinani206 wrote:
youngminii: Stop metagaming. Or at least if you have to, don't use it as your only argument. I can see why would be useful in some situations, but with a N0 start, playstyles will be drastically different. It's a good start for early pressure, but don't make it your only argument against anyone.

ilovejonn: youngminii is the only one accusing you... Why are you responding with such a long argument? You should ignore accusations like that and just look for more scum. The fact that you are even responding at all is kind of scummy. Just ignore pressure accusations like that and scumhunt. No need for this defense.

He criticizes the accusation and the defender, not really taking a stance. In the bolded sentences, he defends ilovejonn by stating that meta is not valid because of the night 0 start, but then calls ilovejonn scummy for defending himself.
[i][b]I wasn't trying to defend or attack anyone with this post. I was trying to make sure that both players wouldn't be doing stupid things to early into the game[b][i]

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On June 15 2011 15:27 sinani206 wrote:
Playstyles will be different. The fact that you have a chance of dying without knowing how much you have to defend yourself will change your playstyle, and affect it through the game.

I know that discussion is necessary, but I still feel that time and brainpower are better spent scumhunting than defending yourself. Look for people that were scummy during the night time and pressure them. The pressure on ilovejonn is based on metagame and that is pretty much worthless with the PMs and N0 start. This game is different and you have to be able to accept that. You can't use metagaming as an easy way out to actually analysing players.

Repeats what he said before, does the same thing, saying that the analysis is bad while saying that ilovejonn defending himself is not good play.
[i][b]I had to reiterate what I said because youngminii wasn't listening to me[b][i]

The bolded phrase especially bothers me. Why would you say that? This makes me suspicious that he's trying to reassure us that he's town and knows how to play.
[i][b]That was an opening clause to give emphasis. Not much else I can say on that. It was subconscious.[b][i]

Once youngminii calls him out for disregarding part of his analysis and telling people just to scumhunt instead of defend themselves, he gets defensive and apologetic.

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On June 15 2011 16:13 sinani206 wrote:
youngminii, I acknowledged that you were scumhunting and that ilovejonn wasn't. Those were the two bases for my previous posts. I was simply urging you to go beyond metagaming, which you have done, and for ilovejonn to start actually scumhunting, since he seems to have enough time to defend himself. You have done what I urged you to do and that is good. ilovejonn, however, has not. He is, even after my posts, defending himself more and more and this is scummy behavior. I apologize, youngminii, for not explaining myself clearly. You are doing fine. It is ilovejonn who needs to up his game.

This post is basically just sucking up to Youngminii. By agreeing with a vocal pro town player, he's attempting to make himself seem more pro town himself. Also, he's defending his actions when nobody is accusing him.
[i][b]I was not trying to suck up to anyone. youngminii was interpreting my posts the wrong way and I was explaining to him what I meant.[b][i]

Sinani is falsely contributing, attempting to blend in, and playing too safe.


This analysis doesn't have any context at all. If you'd read the wording of the posts of youngminii and ilovejonn, you would be able to see what I meant with most, if not all, of these posts.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
June 16 2011 16:35 GMT
#369
EBWODP: (formatting fail)
On June 16 2011 05:00 Varpulis wrote:
FoS sinani206.

After declining to post N0 (not inherently scummy, though i disagree with the reasoning) Sinani begins posting on the topic of ilovejonn, as brought up by Youngminii. he is referring to youngminii's analysis here
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 15:09 sinani206 wrote:
youngminii: Stop metagaming. Or at least if you have to, don't use it as your only argument. I can see why would be useful in some situations, but with a N0 start, playstyles will be drastically different. It's a good start for early pressure, but don't make it your only argument against anyone.

ilovejonn: youngminii is the only one accusing you... Why are you responding with such a long argument? You should ignore accusations like that and just look for more scum. The fact that you are even responding at all is kind of scummy. Just ignore pressure accusations like that and scumhunt. No need for this defense.

He criticizes the accusation and the defender, not really taking a stance. In the bolded sentences, he defends ilovejonn by stating that meta is not valid because of the night 0 start, but then calls ilovejonn scummy for defending himself.
I wasn't trying to defend or attack anyone with this post. I was trying to make sure that both players wouldn't be doing stupid things to early into the game

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 15:27 sinani206 wrote:
Playstyles will be different. The fact that you have a chance of dying without knowing how much you have to defend yourself will change your playstyle, and affect it through the game.

I know that discussion is necessary, but I still feel that time and brainpower are better spent scumhunting than defending yourself. Look for people that were scummy during the night time and pressure them. The pressure on ilovejonn is based on metagame and that is pretty much worthless with the PMs and N0 start. This game is different and you have to be able to accept that. You can't use metagaming as an easy way out to actually analysing players.

Repeats what he said before, does the same thing, saying that the analysis is bad while saying that ilovejonn defending himself is not good play.
I had to reiterate what I said because youngminii wasn't listening to me

The bolded phrase especially bothers me. Why would you say that? This makes me suspicious that he's trying to reassure us that he's town and knows how to play.
That was an opening clause to give emphasis. Not much else I can say on that. It was subconscious.

Once youngminii calls him out for disregarding part of his analysis and telling people just to scumhunt instead of defend themselves, he gets defensive and apologetic.

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 16:13 sinani206 wrote:
youngminii, I acknowledged that you were scumhunting and that ilovejonn wasn't. Those were the two bases for my previous posts. I was simply urging you to go beyond metagaming, which you have done, and for ilovejonn to start actually scumhunting, since he seems to have enough time to defend himself. You have done what I urged you to do and that is good. ilovejonn, however, has not. He is, even after my posts, defending himself more and more and this is scummy behavior. I apologize, youngminii, for not explaining myself clearly. You are doing fine. It is ilovejonn who needs to up his game.

This post is basically just sucking up to Youngminii. By agreeing with a vocal pro town player, he's attempting to make himself seem more pro town himself. Also, he's defending his actions when nobody is accusing him.
I was not trying to suck up to anyone. youngminii was interpreting my posts the wrong way and I was explaining to him what I meant.

Sinani is falsely contributing, attempting to blend in, and playing too safe.


This analysis doesn't have any context at all. If you'd read the wording of the posts of youngminii and ilovejonn, you would be able to see what I meant with most, if not all, of these posts.[/QUOTE]
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
June 16 2011 16:44 GMT
#370
On June 17 2011 00:38 Varpulis wrote:
So, sinani isn't back, eh? ##Vote Sinani206 Reasons
He hasn't defended himself or started scumhunting, despite posting in the thread, even when prodded. It's time to turn up the heat. I personally think that ilovejonn is town, and aidnai is in the clear in my book too, for now.

That leaves sinani.

Oh, and to the dudes voting without posting: Major FoS. Seriously, why? Don't just vote to avoid the modkill, play the game, for christ's sake. grassgiraffe, could you tell us what you think of the game so far? Your only post has been the worst bandwagon I've ever seen.

Node is still unaccounted for, right?


Yeah it's really sad that half of the votes from are from people have have posted once or not at all.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
June 16 2011 16:45 GMT
#371
EBWODP:
Yeah it's really sad that half of the votes for me are from people have have posted once or not at all.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 16 2011 16:48 GMT
#372
RebirthOfLeGenD stealth [placeholder] voted Kenpachi and I can't blame him; that is to say obviously assign some blame for stealth voting, but not the target.

His contributions so far

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 15 2011 05:59 Kenpachi wrote:
hi im Kenpachi
i slept all day yesterday so thats the reason why i was mia (surprise!)
btw, im a townie

On June 16 2011 10:13 Kenpachi wrote:
There is nothing to talk about for me really.. I cant say much except that Sinani has been a total hypocrite. Other than that, i just cant put a finger on w/e is going on right now

On June 16 2011 22:49 Kenpachi wrote:
kk. Time to get my shit on.
/game face

...
ill get my shit on later.

##Vote:Sinani206

Seems to be the only one suspicious

You can do better than this

Meanwhile, we've about 9 hours until lynch and 11 people haven't voted yet

aidnai, demorcerf, GGQ, hiro protagonist, Imprevious, Jacinto, LandenC, Lazorbear, Node, sandroba, sinari206


In addition, 5 people haven't even posted today. GGQ has been around today at least, but hasn't graced this thread with his presence.

GGQ, Jacinto, LandenC, Lazorbear, Node (Jacinto and LandenC didn't post on N0 either)


At the pace things are going, we won't have much material to work on tomorrow unless we somehow hit the jackpot with the lynch or night actions.
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 16 2011 16:57 GMT
#373
Nice ninja. I was just about to post the non-vote list. Though Demorcerf did vote.

I also like it when people complain about the inactivity and then do nothing to help change it.


Sinani if you don't want to be killed in vain you should probably present a case against someone. Do you still think John is scummy?
Cheese is good for you!
Shraft
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden701 Posts
June 16 2011 17:20 GMT
#374
On June 16 2011 20:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Shraft
I find it interesting that in the reasoning behind voting for ilovejohn, you mention both youngminii AND Mig as influences, yet they're both voting for sinani206. Why do you feel ilovejohn is the better lynch?


I feel that ILJ is the better lynch because of this:

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 15 2011 14:52 ilovejonn wrote:.

Also, don't try to do a meta-read on me, I might be playing different because I want to, I may be playing different because I've learned a few things, I might like to use "I think" or "unless of course" because I deemed it necessary to show that I am unsure (it was n0 after all). When you meta read someone, you're heavily biased to see what you wanted to see in the first place anyways.


When YM pointed out that ILJ's play in this game looks similar to what his Mafia play has looked like in previous games he responds with the quote in the spoiler above, basically saying "I might be attempting to play different in this game, don't metagame me". Now, if this is true, that he is in fact playing differently, then he has to be town now, but chosing to play more cautiously and making more contentless posts, being very afraid of sticking his neck out. This would be a very bad way for him to change his playstyle, which in why I believe that his statement about him changing his play was just an outright lie that he told to get away easily from the accusation. I believe that he is the best lynch candidate and I am going to keep my vote on him.
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
June 16 2011 17:38 GMT
#375
On June 17 2011 01:57 Scamp wrote:
Nice ninja. I was just about to post the non-vote list. Though Demorcerf did vote.

I also like it when people complain about the inactivity and then do nothing to help change it.


Sinani if you don't want to be killed in vain you should probably present a case against someone. Do you still think John is scummy?


Yeah. He defended himself early and isn't now.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
June 16 2011 18:23 GMT
#376
OK as of right now we have a bunch of people who are hella lurking

Key two of these are RebirthofLegend and node. Seriously you two, shape the fuck up.

Level of activity of
node
Jacinto
Landec

suggests we have potential modkills incoming, however if they appear to vote later I would say keep a close on eye them and if they jump on the easy bandwagon or not.

That all being said, of sinani/aidnai/ilj (not sure why these 3 are still on the docket but whatever) ILJ has stated he will be inactive which doesn't help anyone but scum. Of the 3 he is the only one who would sit well in the case he is not mafia. My vote for now will still stay on node until node posts and or votes and I will then shift it over to ILJ unless a more compelling case for someone else has appeared.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
June 16 2011 18:24 GMT
#377
On June 16 2011 22:49 Kenpachi wrote:
kk. Time to get my shit on.
/game face

...
ill get my shit on later.

##Vote:Sinani206

Seems to be the only one suspicious


Wait? this is your contribution to the thread? what the fuck. You know better than this
Serious FoS.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 16 2011 18:32 GMT
#378
On June 17 2011 01:06 Mataza wrote:
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On June 16 2011 21:12 Impervious wrote:
EBWOP - Also, I'd like to say that I really dislike sandroba's plan, and although RoL's plan is a little better, I don't like it either, because we could screw ourselves out of half of the towns mason abilities for the cost of a single red (if he's scum).

Another thought:

I'm not going to say who I've masoned or been masoned by. I'd advise everyone to do the same for now. Revealing it may be useful later on for scumhunting purposes, but right now it'll only clutter up any discussions, and I'm pretty sure the mafia could use it to easily distract us.

A further thought:

DT's - if you've found a red, you could push for a lynch, or you could try to look through the thread for any blue slips and find a vigi. If you find a vigi, you could simply mason them and get them to use their ability. Since the GF had to pick his role to appear, I'd doubt he'd pick it as vigi (although you never know), so this should be pretty safe. Otherwise, you could continue looking for more scum, and try to push for their lynch + breadcrumb your knowledge in case you die.


It´s not that easy to find blueslips for a vigi in this thread. Discussion flows at the speed of snails, so anyone has ample time revise their post or just postpone them for a couple of hours and they will still be on the same page.

What you propose will most probably achieve the following:
Our blues will use their mason abilities on snippets and unsure reads.
If they mistake lurking scum for a lurking blue, they invite themselves to a nice, beefy bullet buffet N1.
Cops should breadcrumb their checks and that´s that.


Aside from that, I´m disappointed that votes travel away from ILJ without any reason but prolonged silence in this thread. Look at the low activity. I would strongly consider that scum wouldn´t defend their buddies, but instead wait for people to get insecure about the case and change the vote on their own accord. Which happened, YM did drop the case already.

Imho the Sinani case is jumping on townie acts scummy because he has no reads.
Not having any noteworthy reads is not a crime especially in this thread where fuck all happens.
The Aidnai case is laughable at best.

The only thing that stumbled upon me is Demorcerfs first post:
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On June 15 2011 08:13 DeMorcerf wrote:
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On June 15 2011 07:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
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On June 15 2011 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
The idea of this game is to try and determine who is scum through analyzing their behavior, not figuring out how to break the system using power-roles.

The power-roles are there as tools to be used as necessary, not crutches to base our entire game upon.

This message has been brought to you by a noob.

I think I said that 5 posts ago.

On page 9: "Focus on behavioral analysis because there is no way to legitimately break the game set up that doesn't come with considerable risk. . . . .
Focus on behavioral analysis and putting pressure on people, that is how towns have won games in the past, and that's how we will win this game. Making a plan to abuse format is always secondary to behavioral analysis in any set up."

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On June 15 2011 04:37 Mig wrote:
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Why is it a huge if that sandroba could be the GF? I assume mafia elects their GF n0, unless they did it before the game. So if they elect the GF tonight then they just propose the plan and make sandroba the GF anytime it looks like the plan will work. So if this were the case anytime sandroba is mafia we would reveal our entire blue list to them.

When is the GF elected?

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On June 07 2011 02:18 flamewheel wrote:
Out of the six of you, you may choose two to receive Mafia Power Roles (Godfather or Roleblocker). You may send in your choice[s] at any point in the game, but you will not have access to whatever power you chose until you do send in the notification.

At any point in the game... though I can't think of any logic to explain why they wouldn't do it before the first night ends. Has anyone seen a mafia that waited?

Concerning this zodiac plan, I don't think I really understand why we wouldn't want the insurance-agents (medics) to keep as many of the most experienced players as possible alive for the first day or two and tell them not to attempt to save anyone on that list? The more of those players we keep around, are we not more likely to have a greater number of well-designed posts with strong analysis? Those players are the best at putting pressure and stimulating discussion and analysis.

How do these plans work though if only a few people follow each of them?
sandroba's plan seems overly bizarre and complex to me, I question how much useful and trustworthy information we could gain from it, especially if the majority of the town seems to have already expressed a strong opinion that they will not follow/ignore it.
Rebirthoflegend's attempt to mass up mason-partners should allow him additional analysis of whoever does mason him, even if only half a dozen do so. If he is mafia though? I am wondering how efficient it will be if a large percentage of the town uses one of their two masons on the same, one person, couldn't it limit the ability of the town to disseminate information later on should that person die at some point or turn out to be scum? We shouldn't entirely rely on one person's analysis production obviously. Viscera, did Rebirth actually suggest we leave it just to him? Everyone should be contributing in analysis, those who don't attempt to do so are suspicious, aren't they?

First thing I noticed, he rephrases a quote into a paragraph. Pure fluff.
Second thing I noticed, he seems to be in love with questions marks. Dribbling about without any conclusion and reiterating a lot of what other people already said.

You could shorten it into:
"Sandrobas plan seems overly bizarre and complex to me. I doubt it would bring us any info even if it worked.
As for RoL´s plan, we shouldn't entirely rely on one person's analysis production obviously. Viscera, did Rebirth actually suggest we leave it just to him? "

That is the only thing I picked up so far, and it sure as hell is not much.
He is with very likely just an insecure new player and town.
But as this thread direly needs topics to discuss:
What does the rest of you think?

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Kenpachi
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United States9908 Posts
June 16 2011 18:47 GMT
#379
On June 17 2011 03:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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On June 16 2011 22:49 Kenpachi wrote:
kk. Time to get my shit on.
/game face

...
ill get my shit on later.

##Vote:Sinani206

Seems to be the only one suspicious


Wait? this is your contribution to the thread? what the fuck. You know better than this
Serious FoS.

i do know better as you are aware. yet i still posted it.
cmon now.
FoS BC
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
June 16 2011 19:02 GMT
#380
you know i am quite confident BC is the GF
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
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