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aidnai - aidnai posted in n0 that medics should ignore what BC said and protect the people on the zodiac list. Mafia then proceeded to blue snipe with 2 of their shots and shoot kita, someone unlikely to get medic protection on the Z list. Obviously this isn't even close to hard evidence but people should remember that aidnai pushed for a plan that was what the mafia either wanted or took advantage of n0. Besides that though I don't really have any problem with his posts, and he is active enough that I think he would be a bad day 1 lynch.
ilj - I am suspicious of. I played with him last game where he was scum. He seems a lot more outspoken right now in defending himself than he did then. But he said repeatedly at the end of the game how bad he played etc. I am sure he planned on changing his meta for the next time he was scum. So I find it very suspicious when he tells youngminii don't try to meta me because I may just be trying to play differently. If he is trying to play differently it is much much more likely that he would be trying to adjust his scum play and not his town play. Still though he has been decently active and outspoken in defending himself so he is not my preferred lynch for day1.
sinani - my preferred day 1 lynch. I played with sinani when he was scum in XXXIX. One of the main things sinani did that game was try to look like he was contributing without actually helping at all. He posted a list on inactives without commenting on it and he posted an extremely half-assed and nonsensical analysis of his thoughts on all the current players. He is doing the exact same thing here. He has posted several times criticizing other people's thoughts and telling various people to step up and start scum hunting without actually doing a single thing to contribute himself. His play to me seems consistent with his scum play in XXXIX
So I am voting sinani.
Brief thoughts on a couple other players
Sandroba - bad plan day 1 but I am not suspicious of him. It is more likely for townies to introduce large/risky plans at the start of the game than it is for mafia since it draws a lot of attention and scrutiny to the player. Also just feels to me like he had town's best interests in mind but didn't completely think through the possible risks.
node/impervious/ggq - I know all 3 of these players can contribute actively and be very pro town. The game is still early but people should keep their eyes on them if they don't become more active.
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@Wiggles:
Yeah, your point on PTP is valid, but that game was a 60 page spam fest on day one. This game is much more quite, so I feel its OK to Make a point about it.
Let me be clear, I don't want to bring it back up/discuss Sandroba's plan, but I just wanted to point out the scummyness of the situation. I will rephrase my question:
Sandroba, after a very active night one, your only contribution has been to bandwagon on a FoS. Do you still think ILJ is suspicious? Is anyone else on your radar?
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Guys, I just got back home after a ~20 hours plain trip. No DT has pm'ed me so far, so no point in discussing that further. Also the fact that mafia did not shoot into the zodiac list leads me to believe it's very possible that there's a high concentration of mafia in it. However, I think we should refrain from lynching in that list until day 2, so we can have further material to analyse and maybe a shorter list.
I've read the thread kind of quickly and will post more thoughts tomorrow when I wake up. From what I see so far neither sinani or aidanai have solid analysis on them to warrant a lynch. Their posting feels too much out in the open, and not like they are trying to hide something.
I don't think jonn's defense is scummy per se, but he still has not responded to the main point (imo) of minii's analysis, which is the out of place lurker's list he posted on the beggining of day1. I've explained why I found it suspicious already on a previous post and would like him to adress it.
To me he seems the most solid lynch option so far, along with lynching the various lurkers which have yet to post anything. The way this thread is going, it's a perfectly fine strategy for mafia to be hinding there, so we should adress it before it becomes a real problem.
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On June 16 2011 12:50 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 11:07 Varpulis wrote:
Activity level is disappointing, to say the least. Sinani, you posted a joke after all the analysis on you was posted. You've obviously been reading the thread, would you care to contribute?
That wasn't supposed to be a joke. I said to read SNMMIII because there was a bandwagon for me day one (I was veteran) and the same thing is starting to happen. But then I realized not only did youngminii play in SNMMIII, but he had just said in his above post that he did not think I was scummy that day. So I realized that was completely invalid and told the town to ignore it.
In addition to not really contributing (the going trend for voting Sinani), he responds to and even QUOTES a request to contribute by clarifying something Varp said, so he doesn't look scummy.
##Vote sinani206
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Rereading sinani, I'm open to lynching either him or ilj. There are no better case currently and unless people start posting more, it will be difficult to make one. At this rate there'll be 3-4 modkills.
This is a bit early, but if you are about to get lynched or you've a strong reason to believe you'll be night killed, do reveal who you've masoned before you die.
Regarding Sandroba, I also find it unlikely mafia would have signed off on him proposing that plan on n0.
Opz: not sure if it matters, but you misspelled ilovejonn's name in the voting thread
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I had a much busier day then I thought, and I ended up going to a party 2.5 hours away last night on an hours notice. But tomorrow I will try to be much more active until I head back into new jersey for a couple of days.
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So I'm going to withdraw from ilj for now because I feel as if there's not enough evidence to lynch him, obviously. I do find the votes on aidnai a little worrying, does he REALLY look that scummy? It's pretty important to differentiate between scum play and poor town play, and his play definitely fits in to the latter more than the former.
I agree with BC in that if we don't find have a strong case on anyone, we should lynch an inactive, HOWEVER I find the current vote list intriguing.
3 votes on ilj, fair enough, they were all pretty early on.
3 votes for aidnai, again pretty early on and doesn't seem indicative of any bandwagoning or anything.
2 votes for sinani? Both relatively late?
For all the flak sinani has been receiving in the past few pages and how scummy his play looks, this looks really suspicious too me. Honestly, how hard would it have been for scum to bandwagon on sinani? For one thing, he looks suspicious as all hell, the ilj/aidnai cases were a bit too early/a non-issue to bandwagon on, but sinani's like a prime target. Is the mafia just trying to let town do whatever they want then vote at the end? (note: it's likely 4-5 of the mafia haven't voted yet, anyone that's already voted should have some pressure relieved since scum like to save their votes towards the end of the day).
Again, we see sinani hasn't voted yet and he hasn't really put much of a defense up either. He kind of said something about the SNMMIII thing and then realised it was wrong... Then let it kinda subside without talking about it? Maybe his scumbuddies told him to lay low and hopefully the pressure will just disappear? Which seems to be happening, since a lot of people have fos and stuff on him but only 2 people have voted. Put everyone he's done so far in the game together, coupled with the things I've stated in this post and I'd say he's the best lynch target for now.
So in the end, I'm voting sinani.
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There were 3 votes on Sinani, but VisceraEyes omitted posting in the voting thread despite doing it here
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You idiots need to stop advertising who you're masoned with. It's giving Mafia more information than they they already have. Stop it.
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Hey i'm no Modkill but after reading this whole thread i'm going to take the plunge and vote for sinani206.
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@grassgiraffe
So....that's it? Just...vote and you're off?
I almost wish you'd been mod-killed...
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@BC
What are your thoughts on the aidnai/ilj/sinani206 Lynch Prospect? I for one agree with youngminii's assessment of the vote-list so far.
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aidnai - Frankly, I do not find him scummy at all. The reason why people started suspecting him in the first place was just because he posted a lot of off-topic stuff. Since then I believe he has shaped up. Not voting for him.
ilovejonn - The most suspicious one in my eyes. I think that the meta-read by YM together with the poor defense put up by him makes him look scummy. Furthermore, after reading mig's observation concerning him, I am even more convinced that he is indeed scum.
sinani206 - I don't like his hypocrisy and his contentless posting, but I still feel that ILJ is a better lynch.
For now, I am placing my vote on ILJ. I will read through the thread once again when I come back from work and see if I can find anything that will convince me to change my vote, but for now:
##Vote ilovejonn
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@Shraft
I find it interesting that in the reasoning behind voting for ilovejohn, you mention both youngminii AND Mig as influences, yet they're both voting for sinani206. Why do you feel ilovejohn is the better lynch?
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Hey guys, I've been pretty busy lately. Normally, that wouldn't be a problem, but I'm afk a lot right now, and although I'd normally try to keep up by using my blackberry, I had it stolen from me 2 days ago.
-_-
I'm not happy about it.
I'm going to be busy for a couple more hours before I can read through the thread to figure out who I'm voting for.
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EBWOP - Also, I'd like to say that I really dislike sandroba's plan, and although RoL's plan is a little better, I don't like it either, because we could screw ourselves out of half of the towns mason abilities for the cost of a single red (if he's scum).
Another thought:
I'm not going to say who I've masoned or been masoned by. I'd advise everyone to do the same for now. Revealing it may be useful later on for scumhunting purposes, but right now it'll only clutter up any discussions, and I'm pretty sure the mafia could use it to easily distract us.
A further thought:
DT's - if you've found a red, you could push for a lynch, or you could try to look through the thread for any blue slips and find a vigi. If you find a vigi, you could simply mason them and get them to use their ability. Since the GF had to pick his role to appear, I'd doubt he'd pick it as vigi (although you never know), so this should be pretty safe. Otherwise, you could continue looking for more scum, and try to push for their lynch + breadcrumb your knowledge in case you die.
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As an addendum to Imperv's post, be EXTRA SPECIAL CAREFUL who you claim to in PMs if you claim at all. Just because someone is breadcrumbing a vigi role doesn't mean they have a vigi role. They could be Maf using PMs against town.
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FudgeMunkey you voted but didn't post in this thread. I'm guessing you are just echoing what has already been said, but even posting that is better than stealth voting.
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