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~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
June 16 2011 22:01 GMT
#441
Because...It's been done a million times. Hell, BC and INCOG have done it before. "I'll be away for XXXX because of XXXX"...Good. Let's let one inactive get lynched, and the other inactive get away with it because he said he'd be inactive. I've even done that as mafia. I want him GONE because of that.

BC, have you not done that as mafia? Do you not find that suspicious?

How many of us have done that to add credit to our "inactivity" despite the fact that we were very active within our mafia circle.

Why switch from one inactive, to another? How about you answer that? Still on the radar is a relative term. Lots of mafia get away that way, and switching to a random inactive at the request of a possible God Father candidate? Good Job guys.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
June 16 2011 22:06 GMT
#442
Here's the problems I'm having with lynching an inactive right now.
1) we're not even trying to find a scum, we're just punishing bad behaviour. This is better left to vigi's, ala Ace's nice advice piece here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232671
2) It's a scum favored delay tactic -- we give up a real lynch which people have argued back and forth about, and in the end we get --- another round of night kills, a bunch of day 1 discussion that means a lot less without any relevant flip.
3) ILJ is as good as an inactive at this point.
4) ILJ responded poorly to pressure, you're not gonna get much better than this day 1.

All that said,
##VOTE: ilovejonn
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
June 16 2011 22:08 GMT
#443
Oh yeah, OpZ you never unvoted me in the voting thread.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 16 2011 22:08 GMT
#444
I won't be around for the deadline, so I'll rather leave my vote on ILJ than the random lurker. If ILJ doesn't show up before the deadline, you should get more suspicious. If we do have to go with a lurker lynch, sticking with grassgiraffe currently makes most sense.
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 16 2011 22:19 GMT
#445
On June 17 2011 07:06 aidnai wrote:
Here's the problems I'm having with lynching an inactive right now.
1) we're not even trying to find a scum, we're just punishing bad behaviour. This is better left to vigi's, ala Ace's nice advice piece here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232671
2) It's a scum favored delay tactic -- we give up a real lynch which people have argued back and forth about, and in the end we get --- another round of night kills, a bunch of day 1 discussion that means a lot less without any relevant flip.
3) ILJ is as good as an inactive at this point.
4) ILJ responded poorly to pressure, you're not gonna get much better than this day 1.

All that said,
##VOTE: ilovejonn


I don't see how things are more helpful by lynching ILJ. You can look at the discussion on him, but you also have lurkers that are still around with nothing on them at all. It's the same as if you killed a lurker and have ILJ still there.

Vigs can kill ILJ as well.

Meanwhile if you kill the lurkers then everyone knows they're going to die if they do that. That's pretty important in a game like this.

However, your point about ILJ being as good as inactive at this point brings things back. If that is true then going after him over another inactive makes sense. It's also kind of a paradox because the argument starts with you not wanting to lynch an inactive.


I'd like to add GGQ to the mix on this for people to watch. He has simply not posted enough.
Cheese is good for you!
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 16 2011 22:26 GMT
#446
Yeah okay, I'd only lynch ilj or landenc at this point and I don't think the latter will be the case. so I might change my vote to ilj.

By the way, imo DTs should check the inactives/lurkers as there's definitely a good number of mafia among them, and they'll be the hardest to read by virtue of what they are.
lalala
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2011 22:26 GMT
#447
@OpZ

I didn't vote for sinani for inactivity. I voted for him for lacking content in his posts...which DID exist. He's active. He's just not very helpful at the moment.

What I find interesting about your answer is that you never really mention that as your reason until now. You just skip directly from indifference to tunnel-vision, not really giving any reason why he's the best lynch. But you do insist people change their votes. You even order them to do it.

Let me ask you this: you find someone who CLAIMS they're going to be inactive for X amount of time, a transparent act, MORE scummy than someone who pops in for LITERALLY ONE post, just to hop on the nearest bandwagon and disappear again?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 16 2011 22:27 GMT
#448
you guys make a good case for ILJ.

@OpZ: I will not switch from one random lurker to another. I voted on grass for reasons I stated. also, for those that voted on some one and the only reason you voted for them is "yeah, I agree with XXX...", thats shotty play. you NEED to give your own reasons for voting for some one. not just other peoples reasons. As far as I am concerned, Grass IS the only lurker now (with ILJ being kinda lurky)

If Grass shows up, then I will switch to ILJ. What I want is ILJ to show up as well. Also, just food for thought, but If someone states that they are not gonna be round much, It makes them an easy target for Mafia to mislynch...
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 16 2011 22:29 GMT
#449
Okay people I ask you to turn your attention to this post:

On June 17 2011 06:28 hiro protagonist wrote:
yeah, thing is Mig, BC is calling out those lurkers to post. It worked too. So step it up guys if you want to play.

As for the lynch targets, sinani, and ILJ still look suspicious to me. ILJ more so, because his slip into lurker mode. I want to see him scum hunt, cus right now the only contribution I see from him is defending himself. However, I wont vote for him because he is under the gun, We have ample opportunity to see if he slips up, or scum tells.

One person that is really flying under the radar is Impervious. So far all his post have had little substance, and smell sightly of scum.

As for the lurkers, One stands out and thats grassgiraffe. The others have yet to post much but grass last post SCREAMS out "I made my vote, and I'm out". I know, because that sounds exactly like some of the lurkers in SNMMII. They would simply come in once or twice during the day and say,"yep, I agree with so and so, vote: name here". I am 90% sure he is town, and 100% sure we dont need him. come prove me wrong grass.

##Vote: grassgiraffe


Serious scum slip right here. First of all, your reasoning for not voting jonn, which you are suspicious of, is totally bullshit. Second, how the fuck can you be 90% sure giraffe is town from the grand total of 1 post (which is a terrible post) he has made so far? Seems to me you have more information than I do. Even then, you are 90% sure he's town, you are suspicious of jonn and you quickly jump on giraffe bandwagon??? Hello contradiction!

Vote for this mafia right now, day1 doesn't get any better than this.
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 16 2011 22:32 GMT
#450
I'm going to have to change my vote soon but I don't think ILJ is scummy and I don't like some of the people on the GG list.
Cheese is good for you!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2011 22:33 GMT
#451
On June 17 2011 07:29 sandroba wrote:
Okay people I ask you to turn your attention to this post:

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 06:28 hiro protagonist wrote:
yeah, thing is Mig, BC is calling out those lurkers to post. It worked too. So step it up guys if you want to play.

As for the lynch targets, sinani, and ILJ still look suspicious to me. ILJ more so, because his slip into lurker mode. I want to see him scum hunt, cus right now the only contribution I see from him is defending himself. However, I wont vote for him because he is under the gun, We have ample opportunity to see if he slips up, or scum tells.

One person that is really flying under the radar is Impervious. So far all his post have had little substance, and smell sightly of scum.

As for the lurkers, One stands out and thats grassgiraffe. The others have yet to post much but grass last post SCREAMS out "I made my vote, and I'm out". I know, because that sounds exactly like some of the lurkers in SNMMII. They would simply come in once or twice during the day and say,"yep, I agree with so and so, vote: name here". I am 90% sure he is town, and 100% sure we dont need him. come prove me wrong grass.

##Vote: grassgiraffe


Serious scum slip right here. First of all, your reasoning for not voting jonn, which you are suspicious of, is totally bullshit. Second, how the fuck can you be 90% sure giraffe is town from the grand total of 1 post (which is a terrible post) he has made so far? Seems to me you have more information than I do. Even then, you are 90% sure he's town, you are suspicious of jonn and you quickly jump on giraffe bandwagon??? Hello contradiction!

Vote for this mafia right now, day1 doesn't get any better than this.


I literally saw the exact same thing in that post...and ALMOST posted about it...but I don't feel it's a strong enough 'slip' to justify changing my vote again.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
June 16 2011 22:36 GMT
#452
There is sort of a paradox, saying I don't want to lynch an inactive, I want to lynch ilovejonn who is as good as inactive. The thing that is more helpful about lynching jonn is there is a case against him that makes him look scummy.

cute pressure by YM -> bad defense
1) don't meta me
2) why wouldn't a townie say these things?
3) OMGUS (I hadn't voted him, but I was keeping the pressure on him at that point)
4) scum are happy with how this is going, go look at lurkers, sayonara

ILJ said he would post an analysis when he found a plausible case, instead he voted for GGQ and then me without any case whatsoever.
ILJ never yet has posted a good explanation for the similarities between his play this game and his play as scum in past games.
ILJ made a bad defense, and when the pressure turned up checked out of the thread.

He's the best lynch today.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 16 2011 22:39 GMT
#453
Yeah I kind of think ilj just tried to redirect focus onto the lurkers even though he said he'd scumhunt + he's lurking too. I kinda disagree with the grassgiraffe vote and I completely disagree with the hiro protagonist vote. Half the lynch is meant for you to pressure the guy and then judge his reaction, it's a little late for that.

Switching vote to ilj.
lalala
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 16 2011 22:39 GMT
#454
On June 17 2011 07:29 sandroba wrote:
Okay people I ask you to turn your attention to this post:

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 06:28 hiro protagonist wrote:
yeah, thing is Mig, BC is calling out those lurkers to post. It worked too. So step it up guys if you want to play.

As for the lynch targets, sinani, and ILJ still look suspicious to me. ILJ more so, because his slip into lurker mode. I want to see him scum hunt, cus right now the only contribution I see from him is defending himself. However, I wont vote for him because he is under the gun, We have ample opportunity to see if he slips up, or scum tells.

One person that is really flying under the radar is Impervious. So far all his post have had little substance, and smell sightly of scum.

As for the lurkers, One stands out and thats grassgiraffe. The others have yet to post much but grass last post SCREAMS out "I made my vote, and I'm out". I know, because that sounds exactly like some of the lurkers in SNMMII. They would simply come in once or twice during the day and say,"yep, I agree with so and so, vote: name here". I am 90% sure he is town, and 100% sure we dont need him. come prove me wrong grass.

##Vote: grassgiraffe


Serious scum slip right here. First of all, your reasoning for not voting jonn, which you are suspicious of, is totally bullshit. Second, how the fuck can you be 90% sure giraffe is town from the grand total of 1 post (which is a terrible post) he has made so far? Seems to me you have more information than I do. Even then, you are 90% sure he's town, you are suspicious of jonn and you quickly jump on giraffe bandwagon??? Hello contradiction!

Vote for this mafia right now, day1 doesn't get any better than this.


LOL, most of your accusations have no maret. but I will answer the few that you bring up:

First of all, explain how my not voting for ILJ is total bullshit?

I am 90% sure that Grass is town because he is acting like a board townie would. Any real scum would have chosen his words more carefully. You would agree, no?

Lastly, no I didn't bandwagon anybody. I made a damn good post why I was voting Grass, and in that time three other people said they where voting for grass with much less reasons then I had.

nice try Sandroba, got anything else for me?
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
June 16 2011 22:40 GMT
#455
I agree that looks pretty bad from hiro protagonist. I definitely consider it a scumslip to say, "suspicious of Y, gonna vote for X who I think is town". I'll consider him as a target tomorrow though.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 16 2011 22:45 GMT
#456
@hiro Your reason for not voting him is because he's "under the gun". Correct me if I'm wrong, but that argument can be made for anyone despite of his aligment, so it doesn't tell you he's not scum. You are also voting for someone you are 90% sure is town. Seriously what???
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 16 2011 22:46 GMT
#457
YM, you didn't unvote LandenC before voting ILJ
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 16 2011 22:47 GMT
#458
I need to go and I won't be back before the deadline. As stated earlier, I don't think either ILJ or GG are scum so I won't be voting for them. However, I do like aidnai's case against him as outlined a few posts before this one. Also my read on GG is null but I'm suspicious of a few people that are voting for him.

You can treat my vote as an abstain vote but it's going on someone who I will be looking at more closely on the next day.
Cheese is good for you!
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
June 16 2011 22:47 GMT
#459
Lynching an inactive is a crapshoot, lynch an active lurker who is skating by with the barest skeleton of contribution. Lynch Impervious.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 16 2011 22:51 GMT
#460
Come on people Hiro is by far the best vote. Join me in lynching this scum right now!
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