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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
BC, have you not done that as mafia? Do you not find that suspicious? How many of us have done that to add credit to our "inactivity" despite the fact that we were very active within our mafia circle. Why switch from one inactive, to another? How about you answer that? Still on the radar is a relative term. Lots of mafia get away that way, and switching to a random inactive at the request of a possible God Father candidate? Good Job guys. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
1) we're not even trying to find a scum, we're just punishing bad behaviour. This is better left to vigi's, ala Ace's nice advice piece here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232671 2) It's a scum favored delay tactic -- we give up a real lynch which people have argued back and forth about, and in the end we get --- another round of night kills, a bunch of day 1 discussion that means a lot less without any relevant flip. 3) ILJ is as good as an inactive at this point. 4) ILJ responded poorly to pressure, you're not gonna get much better than this day 1. All that said, ##VOTE: ilovejonn | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On June 17 2011 07:06 aidnai wrote: Here's the problems I'm having with lynching an inactive right now. 1) we're not even trying to find a scum, we're just punishing bad behaviour. This is better left to vigi's, ala Ace's nice advice piece here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232671 2) It's a scum favored delay tactic -- we give up a real lynch which people have argued back and forth about, and in the end we get --- another round of night kills, a bunch of day 1 discussion that means a lot less without any relevant flip. 3) ILJ is as good as an inactive at this point. 4) ILJ responded poorly to pressure, you're not gonna get much better than this day 1. All that said, ##VOTE: ilovejonn I don't see how things are more helpful by lynching ILJ. You can look at the discussion on him, but you also have lurkers that are still around with nothing on them at all. It's the same as if you killed a lurker and have ILJ still there. Vigs can kill ILJ as well. Meanwhile if you kill the lurkers then everyone knows they're going to die if they do that. That's pretty important in a game like this. However, your point about ILJ being as good as inactive at this point brings things back. If that is true then going after him over another inactive makes sense. It's also kind of a paradox because the argument starts with you not wanting to lynch an inactive. I'd like to add GGQ to the mix on this for people to watch. He has simply not posted enough. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
By the way, imo DTs should check the inactives/lurkers as there's definitely a good number of mafia among them, and they'll be the hardest to read by virtue of what they are. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I didn't vote for sinani for inactivity. I voted for him for lacking content in his posts...which DID exist. He's active. He's just not very helpful at the moment. What I find interesting about your answer is that you never really mention that as your reason until now. You just skip directly from indifference to tunnel-vision, not really giving any reason why he's the best lynch. But you do insist people change their votes. You even order them to do it. Let me ask you this: you find someone who CLAIMS they're going to be inactive for X amount of time, a transparent act, MORE scummy than someone who pops in for LITERALLY ONE post, just to hop on the nearest bandwagon and disappear again? | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
@OpZ: I will not switch from one random lurker to another. I voted on grass for reasons I stated. also, for those that voted on some one and the only reason you voted for them is "yeah, I agree with XXX...", thats shotty play. you NEED to give your own reasons for voting for some one. not just other peoples reasons. As far as I am concerned, Grass IS the only lurker now (with ILJ being kinda lurky) If Grass shows up, then I will switch to ILJ. What I want is ILJ to show up as well. Also, just food for thought, but If someone states that they are not gonna be round much, It makes them an easy target for Mafia to mislynch... | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On June 17 2011 06:28 hiro protagonist wrote: yeah, thing is Mig, BC is calling out those lurkers to post. It worked too. So step it up guys if you want to play. As for the lynch targets, sinani, and ILJ still look suspicious to me. ILJ more so, because his slip into lurker mode. I want to see him scum hunt, cus right now the only contribution I see from him is defending himself. However, I wont vote for him because he is under the gun, We have ample opportunity to see if he slips up, or scum tells. One person that is really flying under the radar is Impervious. So far all his post have had little substance, and smell sightly of scum. As for the lurkers, One stands out and thats grassgiraffe. The others have yet to post much but grass last post SCREAMS out "I made my vote, and I'm out". I know, because that sounds exactly like some of the lurkers in SNMMII. They would simply come in once or twice during the day and say,"yep, I agree with so and so, vote: name here". I am 90% sure he is town, and 100% sure we dont need him. come prove me wrong grass. ##Vote: grassgiraffe Serious scum slip right here. First of all, your reasoning for not voting jonn, which you are suspicious of, is totally bullshit. Second, how the fuck can you be 90% sure giraffe is town from the grand total of 1 post (which is a terrible post) he has made so far? Seems to me you have more information than I do. Even then, you are 90% sure he's town, you are suspicious of jonn and you quickly jump on giraffe bandwagon??? Hello contradiction! Vote for this mafia right now, day1 doesn't get any better than this. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On June 17 2011 07:29 sandroba wrote: Okay people I ask you to turn your attention to this post: Serious scum slip right here. First of all, your reasoning for not voting jonn, which you are suspicious of, is totally bullshit. Second, how the fuck can you be 90% sure giraffe is town from the grand total of 1 post (which is a terrible post) he has made so far? Seems to me you have more information than I do. Even then, you are 90% sure he's town, you are suspicious of jonn and you quickly jump on giraffe bandwagon??? Hello contradiction! Vote for this mafia right now, day1 doesn't get any better than this. I literally saw the exact same thing in that post...and ALMOST posted about it...but I don't feel it's a strong enough 'slip' to justify changing my vote again. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
cute pressure by YM -> bad defense 1) don't meta me 2) why wouldn't a townie say these things? 3) OMGUS (I hadn't voted him, but I was keeping the pressure on him at that point) 4) scum are happy with how this is going, go look at lurkers, sayonara ILJ said he would post an analysis when he found a plausible case, instead he voted for GGQ and then me without any case whatsoever. ILJ never yet has posted a good explanation for the similarities between his play this game and his play as scum in past games. ILJ made a bad defense, and when the pressure turned up checked out of the thread. He's the best lynch today. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Switching vote to ilj. | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On June 17 2011 07:29 sandroba wrote: Okay people I ask you to turn your attention to this post: Serious scum slip right here. First of all, your reasoning for not voting jonn, which you are suspicious of, is totally bullshit. Second, how the fuck can you be 90% sure giraffe is town from the grand total of 1 post (which is a terrible post) he has made so far? Seems to me you have more information than I do. Even then, you are 90% sure he's town, you are suspicious of jonn and you quickly jump on giraffe bandwagon??? Hello contradiction! Vote for this mafia right now, day1 doesn't get any better than this. LOL, most of your accusations have no maret. but I will answer the few that you bring up: First of all, explain how my not voting for ILJ is total bullshit? I am 90% sure that Grass is town because he is acting like a board townie would. Any real scum would have chosen his words more carefully. You would agree, no? Lastly, no I didn't bandwagon anybody. I made a damn good post why I was voting Grass, and in that time three other people said they where voting for grass with much less reasons then I had. nice try Sandroba, got anything else for me? | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
You can treat my vote as an abstain vote but it's going on someone who I will be looking at more closely on the next day. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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