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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On June 17 2011 07:47 GGQ wrote: Lynching an inactive is a crapshoot, lynch an active lurker who is skating by with the barest skeleton of contribution. Lynch Impervious. You literally just said "Doing X is a crapshoot, we should do Y. Do Z." Anyway, man this thread has become a crapfest in the past few hours. Perfect conditions for mafia to be honest. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Good. @sandroba You're campaigning to lynch Hiro based on ONE post. It's not even the most scummy thing he's done today, why not go back and try and actually convince someone to join your crusade? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
He's clearly pushing mafia objectives in that post he made and you have to blind not to see it. It also fits the theory that mafia is not actively interfering and pushing anyone, given how incative this town has been. There's absolutely no reason even for bad town to vote for a players they suposedly have 90% confidence is town, while not voting for the one he's most suspicious of. I could understand it if it was a pressure vote for someone to start posting, but given how late in the day it is and the fact that multiple people have voted for him already, this does not make sense. Hiro is mafia. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Don't take this as me defending Hiro - I'm more asking you to bring something more...substantial to the table. It shouldn't be too hard if you're certain he's the best lynch for tonight. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
He's either trying to protect someone by shifting votes last minute or making some kind scum-hunting-power-move. I'm more inclined to believe the former. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:19 VisceraEyes wrote: FoS Sandroba He's either trying to protect someone by shifting votes last minute or making some kind scum-hunting-power-move. I'm more inclined to believe the former. nono it's essentially ilj vs grassgiraffe the likelihood of either of them being mafia is actually quite low, but yeah even if one of them was scum you could just vote for the other to 'hide' your vote, no need to shift your vote to someone completely random | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Keep one thing in mind: If there is a reason for someone to be lynched now, why wasn´t there a reason to vote for them the whole last 44 hours? In other words, any new suspects or cases that are made against people which are not built on recent posts are scummy like hell to me. For example: On June 17 2011 07:47 GGQ wrote: Lynching an inactive is a crapshoot, lynch an active lurker who is skating by with the barest skeleton of contribution. Lynch Impervious. Don´t bring new suspects to the table. There is literally no reason which wasn´t there 10 hours ago, so why bring it up now and not earlier? | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
I'm not saying he's trying to hide his vote...I'm saying he's trying to get others who have already voted to unvote and vote for Hiro. And I find that particularly scummy by itself...especially since the town is GOING to lynch either ILJ or GG today it would appear. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
1) To people saying it was scummy of me that I said I would present a plausible case and then decided to vote people without providing any case, lol. First of all, I said exactly what I meant, I'll present a case when I fully believe the case will move and convince the town to hunt for a scum. My vote means nothing as only a means for me to pressure whoever I voted. Did I tell you guys "Hey this is what I think of GGQ/aidnai, now everyone vote for them"? No, because it was a pressure vote and it's not even a case presented for the town. 2) The last post where I said the environment was quiet and suitable for scum, it was true if you look back at that time. Look at who wasn't posting then, and look who is coming out to post a ton right now, I've spent some time just when I got home to read through like what, 6 pages? Scum are obviously active now to convince whoever they want dead right now when it's near the deadline. I want people to look VERY CLOSELY at these people: Votes for ilovejonn (8): Mataza, syllogism, ~OpZ~, Shraft, DeMorcerf, aidnai, Mr. Wiggles, youngminii From my experience, there are usually 1 - 2 mafia amongst the most voted candidate for the lynch on that day. Let's take a look at a few of them. youngminii: On June 17 2011 05:14 youngminii wrote: Voting for LandenC. Pre-post: "excited to play", goes aheads and lurks the entire game, comes back at the end and votes for BC with a pretty appalling post. To me, he looks the most scummy out of the 3 people BC posted. Suggest others do the same. On June 17 2011 07:26 youngminii wrote: Yeah okay, I'd only lynch ilj or landenc at this point and I don't think the latter will be the case. so I might change my vote to ilj. By the way, imo DTs should check the inactives/lurkers as there's definitely a good number of mafia among them, and they'll be the hardest to read by virtue of what they are. On June 17 2011 07:39 youngminii wrote: Yeah I kind of think ilj just tried to redirect focus onto the lurkers even though he said he'd scumhunt + he's lurking too. I kinda disagree with the grassgiraffe vote and I completely disagree with the hiro protagonist vote. Half the lynch is meant for you to pressure the guy and then judge his reaction, it's a little late for that. Switching vote to ilj. On June 17 2011 08:25 youngminii wrote: nono it's essentially ilj vs grassgiraffe the likelihood of either of them being mafia is actually quite low, but yeah even if one of them was scum you could just vote for the other to 'hide' your vote, no need to shift your vote to someone completely random youngminii has proven from the beginning he has great posting quality and also a mind of his own to provide analysis (like against me). Now look at those posts. First he agrees with BC we should lynch an inactive (LandenC) then from there he says it is either him or me (because I am lurking lol). Then at the end it changes from me or Grassgiraffe. What happened to LandenC in the process? This is extremely wishy washy and suspicious. Shraft: On June 15 2011 04:07 Shraft wrote: Quelling discussion during N0 isn't necessarily a bad thing. In fact, there is nothing we can accomplish with discussion now that we can't do during D1. With this in mind, we should refrain from posting so that we don't accidentally give away any blue roles to the Mafia. Anyway, I had my graduation today and I am going out with some friends. I will be back to read the thread tomorrow evening. On June 16 2011 20:20 Shraft wrote: aidnai - Frankly, I do not find him scummy at all. The reason why people started suspecting him in the first place was just because he posted a lot of off-topic stuff. Since then I believe he has shaped up. Not voting for him. ilovejonn - The most suspicious one in my eyes. I think that the meta-read by YM together with the poor defense put up by him makes him look scummy. Furthermore, after reading mig's observation concerning him, I am even more convinced that he is indeed scum. sinani206 - I don't like his hypocrisy and his contentless posting, but I still feel that ILJ is a better lynch. For now, I am placing my vote on ILJ. I will read through the thread once again when I come back from work and see if I can find anything that will convince me to change my vote, but for now: ##Vote ilovejonn On June 17 2011 02:20 Shraft wrote: I feel that ILJ is the better lynch because of this: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2011 14:52 ilovejonn wrote:. Also, don't try to do a meta-read on me, I might be playing different because I want to, I may be playing different because I've learned a few things, I might like to use "I think" or "unless of course" because I deemed it necessary to show that I am unsure (it was n0 after all). When you meta read someone, you're heavily biased to see what you wanted to see in the first place anyways. When YM pointed out that ILJ's play in this game looks similar to what his Mafia play has looked like in previous games he responds with the quote in the spoiler above, basically saying "I might be attempting to play different in this game, don't metagame me". Now, if this is true, that he is in fact playing differently, then he has to be town now, but chosing to play more cautiously and making more contentless posts, being very afraid of sticking his neck out. This would be a very bad way for him to change his playstyle, which in why I believe that his statement about him changing his play was just an outright lie that he told to get away easily from the accusation. I believe that he is the best lynch candidate and I am going to keep my vote on him. He suggests that quelling discussion during night 0 is not a bad idea (I disagree), but with no information at all during night 0, he says that my posts were contentless and that my defenses make me scummy. He said I changed my playstyle, yet I am very afraid to stick my neck out. How am I afraid of sticking my neck out exactly? If I changed my playstyle wouldn't I not look like I'm playing the same way I did as scum last game? Would I tell people I'm trying something different, yet do the same thing in this game as I did in my last? To me I feel Shraft seems to be told from the scum team "ILJ is the easiest lynch right now and it would be good if we can get rid of a more experienced town player with the day lynch, so do whatever to support his lynch". Once again, I urge the town to look at players on my wagon if I flip tonight. There are ALWAYS 1-2 scum in the top wagon. For now, I'm using my vote on Shraft as I believe him to be scum based on bits of gut feelings and his posts. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On the other hand, I've been reading hiro's posts and holy shit he is scummy. If I thought that ILJ was innocent, I would be pushing hiro right now, I don't care if it's three hours to lynch. And you're right viscera, the huge scumslip is not the most, much less the only scummy thing he's done. Sandroba, you get +town cred if you make a real case on him. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
On June 17 2011 09:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I just got my DT check back, Kenpachi is mafia. I don't know you well, but are you for real? You got the DT check back from Night 0? Also why did you claim now, instead of earlier. Or are you just fucking around. If you aren't I'll move my vote to Kenpachi. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
a) claiming DT b) timing c) claiming DT d) claiming DT... | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On June 17 2011 05:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: uh, hes not on the docket of being lynched right now. If town feels so strongly about him use a dt or vig on him, but don't waste a lynch on someone you can get talking in thread. So I should hop on a bandwagon? | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 17 2011 07:29 sandroba wrote: Okay people I ask you to turn your attention to this post: Serious scum slip right here. First of all, your reasoning for not voting jonn, which you are suspicious of, is totally bullshit. Second, how the fuck can you be 90% sure giraffe is town from the grand total of 1 post (which is a terrible post) he has made so far? Seems to me you have more information than I do. Even then, you are 90% sure he's town, you are suspicious of jonn and you quickly jump on giraffe bandwagon??? Hello contradiction! Vote for this mafia right now, day1 doesn't get any better than this. Didn't I comment on that? -___-....He's easily a good target for dt check, or hatter bomb. Or vig hit....Just sayin. | ||
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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