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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 13 2011 10:37 GMT
#1921
I don't think I'm buying Flamewheel's bullshit. Coag may very well be scum but Flamewheel/Proctinium (Does that sound like the name of an acne medication to anybody else or is is just me) is DT like I'm Santa Claus.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
April 13 2011 11:07 GMT
#1922
I think it's safe to say most of us are skeptical but lynching coagulation is the most obvious course of action. Even if he's town we have good responses to it.
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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
April 13 2011 11:33 GMT
#1923
Okay, so protact claims assassin, doesn't get into office and claims dt. OK. Here's why we shouldn't lynch coagulation.

IF Coag is town- then what, we lynch Protact. Ok that is two days of lynching people that may not even be mafia.

Here's what we should do- Lynch M0nsterChef. I'll post up in detail why i think he is scum later.
I would lynch ON but he has been replaced by LSB right? I would like verification but LSB seems kind of a like a veteran player and if town, then a valuable player.

And if Protact gets hit night 2 and flips dt, then we lynch coag. If he flips assassin we lynch some other scum suspect. If he flips red then idk right now. If he doesn't get hit he can make another check and find some more mafia OR make another guess.

Very skeptical and lynching coag is a bad idea when pretty much nobody has read him as scum and as he said, he's been read as assassin by multiple people.
Rean
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands808 Posts
April 13 2011 12:09 GMT
#1924
On April 13 2011 20:33 redFF wrote:

Very skeptical and lynching coag is a bad idea when pretty much nobody has read him as scum and as he said, he's been read as assassin by multiple people.


Read the damn thread, plenty of people are reading him as scum, notably because of his extreme opposition towards Prot while also heavily promoting GMarshal to be mayor (without ever giving any solid reason as to why GM other then "had town read on him".

You're following scum 101: one of your buddies under threat? Suggest they lynch someone else. Try harder please.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
April 13 2011 12:11 GMT
#1925
I dont think there is much difference between quiet scum and assasins. He's defintely acting differently, and I agree with most parts of the FW's analysis that coag has been quiet, which is really different, especially since he claied vet.

If coag is town, we ask a vig to hit prot. He won't be town or assasin, Dr. H already gave a good situation report on that, I suggest you read that again.
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Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
April 13 2011 12:41 GMT
#1926
On April 13 2011 16:18 Lemonwalrus wrote:
I don't want to lynch analyzers this early unless there is a mountain of undeniable evidence against them. I really don't want to get to the endgame with a bunch of serejai's still trolling around. That being said, I am reticent to waste early lynches on inactives....I am very confused at the moment. I think I need to see coag's response to this before I can begin to make a decision.

Also I want to start putting heat on the inactives.

Serejai, give an opinion on something. Without trolling. Do it now.
What do you think of protact's double claim?


I think Protact said it best himself.

"On the other hand, claiming DT is fairly safe for mafia, as after the intial backlash, the claimed DT will generally be ignored for the rest of the game."
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 13 2011 13:04 GMT
#1927
Hey guys, I don't want to read ~100 pages.

Can someone link me Mr. Wiggle's latest analysis of people? Thanks!
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 13 2011 13:04 GMT
#1928
Oh yeah, I'm replacing ON
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Rean
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands808 Posts
April 13 2011 13:07 GMT
#1929
On April 13 2011 22:04 LSB wrote:
Hey guys, I don't want to read ~100 pages.

Can someone link me Mr. Wiggle's latest analysis of people? Thanks!


Is he one of your scumbuddy's?
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
April 13 2011 13:10 GMT
#1930
Since the thread is fresh in my head~

Lotta people run for mayor
Pandain claims DT (not DT of course)
Protactinum claims assasin
Doctor H gets mayor, lynches Kav because DH is probably scum and couldnt handle kav anylizing him
GM is scum pardoner
I diesel my way into the game
Night hits come, no mis-hits sad town
Prot is claims DT instead having checked coag and geting scum

That basically it in a nutshell, and there are a lot of people running around doing nothing (see serejai).

In fact, I don't remember prot actually saying that serjai, so please get vig'd.
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Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
April 13 2011 13:16 GMT
#1931
On April 13 2011 22:10 bumatlarge wrote:
Since the thread is fresh in my head~

Lotta people run for mayor
Pandain claims DT (not DT of course)
Protactinum claims assasin
Doctor H gets mayor, lynches Kav because DH is probably scum and couldnt handle kav anylizing him
GM is scum pardoner
I diesel my way into the game
Night hits come, no mis-hits sad town
Prot is claims DT instead having checked coag and geting scum

That basically it in a nutshell, and there are a lot of people running around doing nothing (see serejai).

In fact, I don't remember prot actually saying that serjai, so please get vig'd.


That's ironic you don't recall him saying that. Scum buddies with him, perhaps?

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2011 15:26 Protactinium wrote:
Alright guys, now that night is over, I have another announcement to make.

I checked Coagulation last night, and he is Mafia.

Now you may be asking, is Protactinium trying to pull a fast one on me? I thought Assassins couldn't use any night actions till Night 2!

I am, in fact, not an Assassin, as I may have led you all to believe Day 1. I am actually a Detective, and I've found you a Mafia member right from Night 1.

Now why would I claim Assassin Day 1 if I was actually a Detective? It was intentional, and all part of the plan. Unfortunately, I wasn't elected, but at least I had a backup plan. TL towns have a history of wanting to Lynch All Liars, but there is a very good reason that I didn't claim Detective from the start. Just look at Pandain to see why DT claims never work: it's been tried before, and Mafia have every incentive to fake claim DT. Thus, the claim backfired and the entire town jumped on him and tore him to shreds. Not a desireable outcome if you're really a DT, right? And this wasn't the first game where that happened. If you have time, go back and read TL Mafia VIII, where nemY the Detective claimed Detective... and then got jumped by town. I expected the same backlash had I actually roleclaimed Detective, so that's why I went with the Assassin claim. Furthermore, while Mafia are very incentivized to claim DT, they would be stupid to claim Assassin, since if the election bid fails, the actual Assassins will just shoot them Night 2. On the other hand, claiming DT is fairly safe for mafia, as after the intial backlash, the claimed DT will generally be ignored for the rest of the game. Assassin claims also help draw out the Mafia, and as the Pandain example shows, DT claims don't have the same effect, since everyone attacks the DT claim and causes chaos.

And if you're saying this is a bus and I'm Mafia, you wouldn't be saying that after I net a Mafia Night 2. And then Night 3.

The next question is assassin numbers. Remember how I claimed that there were 3 assassins? That was actually a ploy to keep the actual Assassins off of me. In terms of balance, all of the past games with assassins had assassins consist of roughly 10% of the total game population. In XXII, a game of 38 people, there were 4 Assassins, and in XXX, a game of 30 people, there were 3 Assassins. This game has 40 people, so assuming that Ver and Qatol helped BrownBear balance the game along the same lines as they did for me, there should actually be 4 Assassins in the game as well. Thus, my claim of there being 3 Assassins was a guess, but an educated one, in the hopes to keep both the guise of me being Assassin up and the actual Assassins off of my back.

Anyway, my plan successfully drew out the mafia. As I said before, mafia and assassins are desperate to stop my campaign, as an assassin in office would be a serious threat to both parties. Yesterday's vote clearly showed that mafia got panicky and overreacted when the vote was close and I had a chance of winning the election. Anyway, going back to my original list:

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote:
List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin list

    Gmarshal
    tnkted
    mig
    kitaman
    Kavdragon
    Wiggles
    Darmousseh
    Dropbear
    Robellicose
    Coagulation


So why is Coagulation suspicious?

He is clearly pushing mafia objectives. As I have established before, Mafia doesn't want me anywhere near the Mayor/Pardoner positions. Guess what Coagulation has done? He opposed me right from the start. Then during the middle of the election when it looks like I had no chance of winning, he shut up and wasn't saying anything about us except for when he made a candidates list explaining what he thought of each candidate. Near the end of the day, however, when it looked like we had a chance of winning, Coag suddenly jumps on us and starts frothing at the mouth. He attacks me viciously, this time saying that I'm Mafia doing a not-so-last-minute vote switch and that the Assassin claim was just to garner votes. Seeing that the "he's assassin, don't vote for him" strategy didn't work, he tries to spread more fear by saying that I am Mafia. Then, when it seems like I have no chance of winning anymore, Coagulation disappears again.

He's silent during the time between DrH winning and Kav getting flipped, even though he was conveniently defending Kav strongly before this time. And guess what? Although Coag was adamantly against the lynch earlier and attacks the lynch right after it occurs, he is mysteriously silent right before the lynch and doesn't bother saving Kav at a moment where his arguments could be critical. This is completely consistent with Mafia objectives, as Mafia obviously would prefer that a known analyst is lynched over a random inactive. Rather than constantly trumpeting his position throughout the thread, he pops up in bursts, striking when mafia need it most, and then disappearing when things are going well. I got most suspicious of Coag right after the lynch. Look at when he is posting, and when he is not, and its obvious that he has a hidden agenda.

But that's not all. The whole game, he is useless and does nothing except spam and spread doubt on the mayoral candidates. The more interesting and important point though, is that he has an utter lack of conviction on who could be mafia. In particular, look at when Coag was yelling at DH not to lynch Kav. DH asked him for alternatives, yet he couldn't name a single name, just "any of the countless scummy lurkers". Compare this with his games as town, where he has no problem pointing out who he thinks is most scummy, and its pretty obvious that Coag is trying to hide the fact that he knows who the mafia are. Classic Mafia mentality, not wanting to have to point out scum and be accountable for it. Coagulation as green is fearless, posting every single thought that comes to his head as to who is Mafia. As DrH said at the end of Assassin In the Palace, Coagulation posts very frequently. This trend of trying to actively hunt down and call out Mafia as green goes all the way back to Haunted Mafia. As red, look at games like Insane 2 and Don't Lose Your Village. Coagulation is much more restrained and doesn't point out any reds with conviction like he does when he's town.

To sum it up, Coag is pushing mafia objectives. He had fierce opposition to my candidacy (mafia do not want a pro-town assassin in office), and conveniently posted at the right times. The whole game, he has been indecisive and is spreading doubt. Furthermore, he has not shown any conviction on who he thinks is Mafia, which is completely inconsistent with his town play, while he has no trouble pointing out who he thinks is innocent (GMarshal and Kavdragon). With all this evidence and my role check, there's no reason to vote anyone except Coagulation. GMarshal is suspicious too, but I'm not sure one way or the other. One thing is certain though: if he pardons Coagulation, they're both Mafia 100%.

Like I said, this party is only getting started. Mafia totally fell for my trap, so we are way ahead of where we would be otherwise.

Vote for Coagulation.



I bolded it for you since you don't seem to be very good at reading posts and are following your own personal scum agenda.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 13 2011 13:30 GMT
#1932
Flamewheel, what result did coag return exactly please?


Also anyone who believes that a detective would claim assassin to get into office needs to rexamine the game. Had flamewheel not claimed assassin and claimed town he would have had my vote along with the majority of the towns, the only way his assassin claim makes sense is if he is an assassin, I really doubt the mafia would claim assassin to try to get themselves elected.

As town his actions make no sense, as an assassin they make perfect sense, he didn't get the protection he needed so now he *has* to try to get whomever he sees as the most likely scum lynched to try to ensure medic protection.

All that said flamewheel is an expert player with a finely honed scumsense so I wouldn't be surprised if coag turned out to be scum irregardless of whether or not flamewheel is the assassin or not.
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DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
April 13 2011 13:34 GMT
#1933
a townie has no reason to lie about this.

Therefore, it's win-win. If Coag is town and Pro is mafia, I'll take the 1-1. If they're both mafia, then even better lol.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
April 13 2011 13:57 GMT
#1934
wow serejai is actually paying attention lynch him! (I just thought he was making it up lol...), and I believe prot is talking about claiming for mayor position. He's obviously not going to be ignored for the rest of the game now.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 13 2011 14:31 GMT
#1935
On April 13 2011 22:34 DarthThienAn wrote:
a townie has no reason to lie about this.

Therefore, it's win-win. If Coag is town and Pro is mafia, I'll take the 1-1. If they're both mafia, then even better lol.

Why lynch Proact? An assassin or scum will kill him tonight. Don't protect him let him die. If he doesn't ignore him. He's a liar. Anything he says is now pushing a liars agenda. We don't know what he is. All we know is anything he says has to justify his lies. Which one is the lie? How the fuck do I know? All I know is he has 0 credibility with me. He's not worth wasting a lynch on atm. Lynches are priceless to us. Why waste one on an Assassin/DT/Liar? Let the assassins deal with him.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 14:36 GMT
#1936
On April 13 2011 18:50 Barundar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 18:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On April 13 2011 18:38 Coagulation wrote:
Fuck that thats stupid as fuck
DONT WASTE A FUCKING MED ON HIM. LET HIM DIE.

I'm not saying "medics protect him" Can you calm the fuck down and turn off caps lock?

This is all based on the assumption that there are TWO assassins and Flamewheel strongly believes you (over the much more black acting kitaman27) are the second assassin. You should be trying to convince HIM that you aren't the assassin, not US that you aren't scum.

In fact, if you are so sure that he is the assassin and this is his gamble why have you not done that? You're preaching to the wrong choir here if you really think about it.

Of course if you're mafia you have no reason to try to convince him. You'd know he was the detective you'd know he was right and you'd KNOW the only angle you can take is spreading distrust of HIM amongst the TOWN.

If you were TOWN trying to avoid being lynched by a fake claim by the assassin I would hope you'd realize he's acting in his own self interest and would certainly spare you/admit his lie if you could convince him you were not the assassin and that he could survive Night 2.

You scum hunting by guessing on the numbers of veterans and assassins in the game is making my brain hurt. Same when Rean comes and say Coag should die, no matter if Flamewheel is assassin or not.

Glad we have another 2 days to figure this out.

It's just fuel to the fire. DT claims he has a red hit. We lynch.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 14:38 GMT
#1937
On April 13 2011 22:10 bumatlarge wrote:
Since the thread is fresh in my head~

Lotta people run for mayor
Pandain claims DT (not DT of course)
Protactinum claims assasin
Doctor H gets mayor, lynches Kav because DH is probably scum and couldnt handle kav anylizing him
GM is scum pardoner
I diesel my way into the game
Night hits come, no mis-hits sad town
Prot is claims DT instead having checked coag and geting scum

That basically it in a nutshell, and there are a lot of people running around doing nothing (see serejai).

In fact, I don't remember prot actually saying that serjai, so please get vig'd.

You might notice my case against Kav began WAYYYYYYYYYY before he ever accused me. It started on Night 0 even.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 13 2011 14:43 GMT
#1938
Just woke up, the dt claim is garbage. I don't believe it for a second and you guys shouldn't either.

I haven't had a chance to look through coag's posts yet, so his alignment is up in the air.

I'll be back to post more in a couple hours when I'm out of class. DrH, you can call me assassin 100 times, but it still doesn't make it true.
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tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 13 2011 14:44 GMT
#1939
Damn, I should have stayed up for the night post.



Fare thee well town! To quote churchhill: “I am ready to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the ordeal of meeting me is another matter.”

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DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
April 13 2011 14:45 GMT
#1940
On April 13 2011 23:31 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 22:34 DarthThienAn wrote:
a townie has no reason to lie about this.

Therefore, it's win-win. If Coag is town and Pro is mafia, I'll take the 1-1. If they're both mafia, then even better lol.

Why lynch Proact? An assassin or scum will kill him tonight. Don't protect him let him die. If he doesn't ignore him. He's a liar. Anything he says is now pushing a liars agenda. We don't know what he is. All we know is anything he says has to justify his lies. Which one is the lie? How the fuck do I know? All I know is he has 0 credibility with me. He's not worth wasting a lynch on atm. Lynches are priceless to us. Why waste one on an Assassin/DT/Liar? Let the assassins deal with him.

How does that go against lynching Coag?
... o.O. If Proact dies tonight, then someone did our job for us, assuming he's mafia...
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