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On April 13 2011 17:40 Coagulation wrote:
HE DOESNT HAVE TO BE SURE. HES GOT NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO MAKE A GUESS.
AND GUESS WHO HE GUESSES.
THE PERSON WHO HAS MULTIPLE "ASSASSIN READS" FROM DOCH AND OTHERS.
THIS IS ALL A GAMBLE.
What gamble..? If he's black and lying since its Night 1 black's can't use DT checks, and he attacks you because you're the scummiest, but then you flip green/blue he still dies. If you flip black/red he just did town a favor by forming a case against you.
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On April 13 2011 17:41 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 17:06 Barundar wrote:Lol now "It's convenient that you find scum in first go when it's the only way you could survive" translates into "scum is hiding well"? Nice try  I like how you keep blowing your own trumpet. I read your case, and your main point is he only defended kavdragon before the lynch was sent in, and that he couldn't point to who he wanted to instead. I didn't specify which lurker I wanted killed myself either, but like coag I got pretty fucking pissed off when I woke up and saw Kavdragon had flipped green. But what it really comes down to is not both of you can be town. One of you is lieing. It's beneficial to trade scum for town 1 for 1, so town wins in any case. Whats up to town to decide is whether we use a lynch on one of you, or just let you die to assassins and lynch coag depending on what you flip. You miss the point. Why would you find it convenient that I found scum? I'm flamewheel. I'm known for catching scum. This should come as no surprise to you. But since it apparently has, it's clear that you're hiding something. You apparently didn't read my whole case. It contains a lot more than you just said right now. But don't worry, we don't need your vote. There are 35 other votes to go around. You miss another point. As people have pointed out, its impossible for me to be Mafia. So why would you lynch me? And since if I'm wrong about Coagulation, the assassins will shoot me, there's even less reason to lynch me! You seem intent on saving Coagulation even if it's for one day. Why wait to see what I flip before lynching Coagulation? It's not like Coagulation is actually a good player...
It's annoying that you are a post of mine behind.
I'll admit that more and more speaks for lynching coag and decide on you during night.
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yeah and he *HOPES* his guess was RIGHT so he gets Med protect UNFORTUNATELY FOR HIM ITS WRONG.
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On April 13 2011 17:45 Coagulation wrote:
at least when i flip he will be exposed AS A LIER.
hey flamewheel MARK MY WORDS YOUR FUCKED AT FLIP.
Why do you need to keep stressing this? Blacks will hit him during the night if you're green/blue.
Also to people saying this is disrupting us from scum hunting... wtf? Who says you can't scum hunt as well as discuss our current lynch target?
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All that has to happen to save Coagulation in my mind is a veteran claim. That would show that this is a special gametype and I'd reevaulate Protactiniums position.
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On April 13 2011 17:48 ilovejonn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 17:45 Coagulation wrote:
at least when i flip he will be exposed AS A LIER.
hey flamewheel MARK MY WORDS YOUR FUCKED AT FLIP.
Why do you need to keep stressing this? Blacks will hit him during the night if you're green/blue. Also to people saying this is disrupting us from scum hunting... wtf? Who says you can't scum hunt as well as discuss our current lynch target?
inb4 scum pick a bad case and say "Well lets lynch this person he's OBVIOUSLY scum and let coagulation at least prove himself like he said he could..."
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At this point I can't really see any scenarios where it is not correct to lynch coag. It would take either an unlikely spread of roles and prot lying or both drh and prot lying for him to be a vet.
##Vote Coagulation
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On April 13 2011 17:48 ilovejonn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 17:45 Coagulation wrote:
at least when i flip he will be exposed AS A LIER.
hey flamewheel MARK MY WORDS YOUR FUCKED AT FLIP.
Why do you need to keep stressing this? Blacks will hit him during the night if you're green/blue. Also to people saying this is disrupting us from scum hunting... wtf? Who says you can't scum hunt as well as discuss our current lynch target?
Guess you are talking about me? Because the most effective form of pressure is votes. When the lynch is already decided there is no real pressure on anyone else. This shouldn't stop us from lynching scum though.
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why are you gonna listen to someone who has already PROVED he has no problems MANIPULATING AND LYING TO TOWN.
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On April 13 2011 17:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
All that has to happen to save Coagulation in my mind is a veteran claim. That would show that this is a special gametype and I'd reevaulate Protactiniums position.
40 player game, why are you convinced there's only one vet?! and why fish for them that's just facepalm dumb. Vets are totally useless once they claim :/
maybe you're hoping coag is scum and one of his scumbuddies claims vet as well now? I just don't get what you're thinking...
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On April 13 2011 17:52 Coagulation wrote:
why are you gonna listen to someone who has already PROVED he has no problems MANIPULATING AND LYING TO TOWN.
I remember in XXXVII you were perfectly ok with doing this with LSB's fake bait n' switch plan
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On April 13 2011 17:53 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 17:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
All that has to happen to save Coagulation in my mind is a veteran claim. That would show that this is a special gametype and I'd reevaulate Protactiniums position.
40 player game, why are you convinced there's only one vet?! and why fish for them that's just facepalm dumb. Vets are totally useless once they claim :/ maybe you're hoping coag is scum and one of his scumbuddies claims vet as well now? I just don't get what you're thinking...
because if you take assassins out of the picture, this isn't a very large setup. I've balanced and seen enough set-ups to know that the multiple vet scenario is pretty rare in the case that there are medics.
if a second vet claims then that gives me a jumping off point to at least reevaluate the situation. otherwise there is no choice to lynch coagulation
think critically
maybe some things are better left unsaid aidnai
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On April 13 2011 17:55 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 17:52 Coagulation wrote:
why are you gonna listen to someone who has already PROVED he has no problems MANIPULATING AND LYING TO TOWN. I remember in XXXVII you were perfectly ok with doing this with LSB's fake bait n' switch plan
LSB didnt lie to the entire town
The truth was in the town circle.
This is completely different
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On April 13 2011 17:52 Coagulation wrote:
why are you gonna listen to someone who has already PROVED he has no problems MANIPULATING AND LYING TO TOWN.
My problem is that I can't find a scenario where flamewheel can be mafia. And if he is assassin, he only has this one chance of trying to survive by guessing on a red, and he picks you. He is an experienced player, and of all the possibilities he chose you. This means there is a pretty good reason to lynch you, whether he is an assassin or DT.
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Flamewheel when i flip your lie is exposed.
This is all for nothing just so you know.
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On April 13 2011 17:58 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 17:52 Coagulation wrote:
why are you gonna listen to someone who has already PROVED he has no problems MANIPULATING AND LYING TO TOWN. My problem is that I can't find a scenario where flamewheel can be mafia. And if he is assassin, he only has this one chance of trying to survive by guessing on a red, and he picks you. He is an experienced player, and of all the possibilities he chose you. This means there is a pretty good reason to lynch you, whether he is an assassin or DT.
that scenario is flamewheel and coagulation are both red and coagulation is getting bused to put flamewheel in a position of trust
we should absolutely go through with this lynch
because anything should be a potential bus and if flamewheel is bussing then that is STILL A MAFIA KILL FOR US
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I want you to feel that Flamewheel.
FEEL IT. THINK IT LONG AND HARD.
You damn well know you took a GAMBLE. And you lost buddy.
Its a shame you had to take me down with you. but you lost.
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that's what she said.
anyways, sleeping, be back in 12 hours.
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On April 13 2011 18:01 Coagulation wrote:
I want you to feel that Flamewheel.
FEEL IT. THINK IT LONG AND HARD.
You damn well know you took a GAMBLE. And you lost buddy.
Its a shame you had to take me down with you. but you lost.
I look forward to his next claim, if that turns out to be the case.
+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From BrownBear: Yes, there is a hidden role not mentioned in the OP. Don't tell anyone, but: The Prismatist - You are the Prismatist. Once and only once per day/night cycle, you may make a role claim. If you manage to claim a red, black, green, and blue role before being hit or lynched, you win. You will be removed from the main game. Show nested quote +Original Message From urashimakt:
Is there a hidden role? Come on now, truthsies.
Goodnight.
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On April 13 2011 17:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 17:53 aidnai wrote:On April 13 2011 17:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
All that has to happen to save Coagulation in my mind is a veteran claim. That would show that this is a special gametype and I'd reevaulate Protactiniums position.
40 player game, why are you convinced there's only one vet?! and why fish for them that's just facepalm dumb. Vets are totally useless once they claim :/ maybe you're hoping coag is scum and one of his scumbuddies claims vet as well now? I just don't get what you're thinking... because if you take assassins out of the picture, this isn't a very large setup. I've balanced and seen enough set-ups to know that the multiple vet scenario is pretty rare in the case that there are medics. if a second vet claims then that gives me a jumping off point to at least reevaluate the situation. otherwise there is no choice to lynch coagulation think critically maybe some things are better left unsaid aidnai
Ok, I agree some things are better left unsaid, but I guess I can't help but wonder what you're thinking sometimes...
as for thinking critically, I'd ask you, if protact was in fact black, what are his possible plays today? you pointed out correctly (I believe) that his chances are slim with this play, but I still don't think there's any better play for him?
logically, it seems to me the MOST LIKELY explanation for protact claiming black day 1 is that he was in fact black. I'll grant it's possible that it was all a ploy to draw out scum (btw this would be easier to believe if you posted your list protact). IF PROTACT IS BLACK, what else could we expect out of him today? roll over and die? the guy obviously wants to have fun and make a splash, why not go out in style right?
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