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GMarshal
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On March 24 2011 11:07 Jackal58 wrote: Plans and campaigns are for scum. Right, like presenting arguments for lynching someone is also scummy, its evident that we should just take your word for it. If you want to be mayor give me 3 good reasons, why are you valuable enough to essentialy get a free pass to the endgame? | ||
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GMarshal
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On March 24 2011 11:15 Coagulation wrote: GM we need to utilize your unique scumhunting abilities. namely.. you make a list of people who he feels are town aligned and we lynch them. No fair, I had a bad run in XXXVII, but I did peg icemac and gryff as town Ok, it wasn't bad it was fucking awful, but still I think I have improved. And I'm out for blood this game. | ||
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GMarshal
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On March 24 2011 11:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: So, something I want to ask candidates at the moment, is how will you act specifically in your role as the mayor? I'm not talking about your play style, or pro-town things you can do anyways, but what abilities do you possess that we should elect you and give you the power and survivability of the mayor? Well, not counting anything else, theres the fact that I will be doing constant, active analysis, weather sucessful or unsucessful remains to be seen, but I'll be constantly stirring the hornets nest to keep scum from lurking, obviously if I'm dead then thats going to put a hamper in my lynch all lurkers plan. I'd actualy be more than happy to have a better scumhunter in this position, if I were sure he was town, at the moment the only person I can know with any certanty is town is my, so I'd rather deny the scum or third party the ability to require two townies to DIE before they can be night killed | ||
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GMarshal
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This is factualy true, Jackal did defend LSB and coag and the whole tagteam, so I do give him that. I'm sorry you find my bannana dogs unsatisfactory, however I do hope you like killing scum | ||
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GMarshal
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On March 24 2011 11:31 Jackal58 wrote: Mayor is much more susceptible to lynching than night kills. Only scum would bring up being night killed. Are you forgeting the fact that there are TWO factions in play, scum is going to be gunning for the third party and the third party is going to be gunning for scum because enemy night kills cannot be as easaly manipulated as town lynches can, this is why scum is going to be 100% guaranteed to be gunning for the mayorship, as is the third party, if the scum team can grab the mayorship they can be slightly less worried about the third party and if the third party grabs it they can be slightly less worried about mafia. That means they have more freedom to go after troublesome townies. Did I honestly need to explain that? Also the free day 1 lynch is a delicious treat for either group | ||
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GMarshal
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On March 24 2011 11:39 Lemonwalrus wrote: Actually it is black and baby-blue. This is tl. A wonderful contribution, so what do you think of the current candidates lemon? Are any of them worth voting for? | ||
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GMarshal
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On March 24 2011 11:40 Jackal58 wrote: No sir not at all. But scum is the one faction that will be organized. I intend to disorganize them. Wait, what? I'm assuming that the third party all work together like a mini scum team, so why would they not be organized? Did I miss something? or do you know something I dont? | ||
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GMarshal
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On March 24 2011 11:40 tnkted wrote: Well, forgive my inexperience, but doesn't the very fact that the vets are such juicy targets make killing them seem very suspicious? If you have a vet thats doing some dangerous theorizing, wouldn't killing him be exactly the wrong thing to do as mafia? it would validate his theory. Instead, the smart move for that mafia would be to kill a noob or some other target. Please go back and read the analysis on XXXVII, basicaly scum has to kill vets so they don't get raped by analysis and strong thread presence, thus they are the ideal target, noobs are much more likely to sheep and thus are fine to keep around. If you have time read XXXVII, it will explain alot | ||
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GMarshal
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On March 24 2011 11:45 Jackal58 wrote: I may have made the exact opposite assumption you did. If the black team is sk types then I don't see them cooperating. If the black team is a second mafia family you are correct. I don't know which they are. I assumed sk types. Well the fact that there are four of them with a single KP among the four suggests they are a team (if is one kp each we are already in HUGE trouble) . What worries me is that we don't know their win condition, so we have to take them out asap because of the possibility that they win when scum is dead even if most of the town is still standing. | ||
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GMarshal
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On March 24 2011 11:49 Coagulation wrote: im gonna vote for jackal based on him not knowing about a second faction pretty much confirms him as town. Or scum or third party trying to confuse the town, thats a stupid assumption IMO, anyone can say anything about the setup without it being necessarily what they know, for example if I claimed I thought the scum team consisted of 11 people rather then 6 and you then told me that I was wrong, that would not prove I am scum. Im not saying jackal is scum, but him making a mistake means very little | ||
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GMarshal
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On March 24 2011 11:55 bumatlarge wrote: Ok this is pretty simple. Barring extremes, a person in the police can claim freely and be elected mayor. Either mafia or third party would have to trade their entire squad to stop the police from doing this. Agree to this or not, it basically gives us a townie with a pre-set townie circle as mayor. So if you are a green townie it would be in your best interest to drop out of the race if this is to gain momentum. The extremes of course would be the game setup for-seeing this and giving scum and third party methods to circumvent this. 1) Infiltration. I have a really strong gut feeling that certain team members will have alternate win conditions. So police should decide amongst them who would be the best mayor and most likely town affiliated person. 2) ??? It's insane mafia, so this could backfire, but it beats me how. Any suggestions or criticisms are NECESSARY, because what the fuck do I know. Insane #1 raped me. This actualy seems decent but with all the odd abilities out there I dont think its a good idea, the police circle is going to benefit from using their powers, and its likely that there is roleblocker of some sort amidst the anti town forces, I dont know what powers the blue team is likely to have, but is it worth risking them for a little added protection? That should be their call when they see their powers day 1, I'm unconfortable with having a powerful blue role claim tbh, becuase if someone fakeclaims then a real blue (or more) has to oust himself to keep the anti town (ok fuck this from this point on scum = anti-town and mafia = mafia) forces from being elected. I don't support this plan although it is well thought out. | ||
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GMarshal
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On March 24 2011 12:06 bumatlarge wrote: That sells it. Third and mafia would basically have to give up their entire team to counter a police claim. In which case it would be completely worth it. Anyone have any counter-points to this? ok, do you mind if I look at it this way? Lets take the worst case scenario, 1 Blue claims and one red claims. We vote for one and lynch the other, if one flips blue then the other is scum, if the other flips scum then the other is blue, this seems good, but at worst its a 1 to 1 trade at best its one scum for one probably roleblocked blue. I don't think its terrible, but it really depends on how powerful our blues are, thats why it should be up to them weather its worth it or not. In a normal setup I'd take the 1 for 1 in a heartbeat, but there are 10 scum out there and we need all the power roles we can get. I support this plan on the condition we wait till night 0 is over so the blues can see their powers and decide based on that information | ||
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GMarshal
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On March 24 2011 12:19 orgolove wrote: Wait. Are the third party voters with the town? Else wouldn't it be too easy for them to just kill off all townies? We have no idea what the third party win condition is we have to assume it is "kill off the entire mafia team" with town losing if they acheive their wincon. Much like in salem with the two mafia teams (this is the "worst case" assumption, and since we don't know better, Im going with it) | ||
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GMarshal
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On March 24 2011 12:27 annul wrote: since they CANT night kill the blacks, what? Where the HELL are you getting that they are bulletproof? they are not SK's they are a third party faction, think of them as scum team two if thats better. 4 bullet proof people would be ridiculous | ||
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GMarshal
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Ok, I'm stupid, sorry. That actualy changes the dynamic quite a bit I assumed it was going to be both sides gunning for each other. In this case thrid party will definatly not be running for mayor. (IMO) | ||
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GMarshal
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Jackal might actualy be a good vote, but I want to wait to see more information come to the surface before making a decision. | ||
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GMarshal
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On March 24 2011 12:53 bumatlarge wrote: Well, I think I already slipped up and it is fairly obvious if you lookat my posts that I am part of the police force. I've mulled it over and the only thing we really have to lose is outing one member (me) to everyone. So let me go over why it's clear you should vote for me. 1) I am the most confirmed you can get. If there is no counter-claim, I will be assuredly more town then anyone else. 2) I have a circle of 3 other townies. I've ruled out that we have a member with a different win-condition, since mafia has decent numbers already, and 3rd party is BP. Additionally, the numbers add up with how many are in each faction. 3) We have access to more then a circle. I won't disclose anymore until it's clear I am going to win. Personally, I have a lot of time to devote, and I have 4 times the man power of any other candidate. I believe that being elected as confirmed town mayor will not be the hard part, but rooting scum out and realizing their counters to me being mayor will demand effort. So I advise green townies in the race drop out and vote me, because I doubt you have more to offer. If you are mafia or third party, please stay in the race or counter claim to make my job easy. Alright it works for me, you have my vote unless there is a counterclaim | ||
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GMarshal
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On March 24 2011 14:13 iGrok wrote: There also the fact that the mayor can choose the lynch, and can rely on active scumhunters' advice. The leader in this case only has to make the final decision, and I'd rather that be a confirmed town who will listen to scumhunters than an unknown or even probable town. Of course, this relies on no counterclaims in the next, oh, 12 hours or so i guess. 60+ we have all of Night 0 and most of day 1 for someone to conterclaim. Although to be honest I'm not likely to belive it if its too late after day 1 starts. | ||
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GMarshal
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GMarshal
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Also I think we have a few people who aren't posting, I bet these are the people who are oh so busy chatting with their scum buddies about how to deal with the current situation, I propose a lurker be the person our mayor lynches (assuming we don't find a jucier target)! | ||
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