TL Mafia XXXVII

This post is prime example of day 1 defending of a dead mafia. It soft claim defends annul. He compares the behaviour of 3 games of annul, 1 red, 2 town. In each of the three games he played very similarly except in game 1 as mafia he used bad logic to get someone killed.

The link here is between this current game and that game, he was playing much differently from his town norm, revealing him as red. This would easily be seen from the looking from game as town and game as red of annul, but instead he tries to link all 3 games under the same style, when 1 was definitely different. Misrepresenting the facts is something one would do to defend ones teammate.
I did not misrepresented the facts. Before that post, town was accusing annul on a bad reason: aggressiveness. I found annul being less aggressive than the games I played with him. I was showing that annul play aggressive regardless he is town or mafia and that shouldn't be the reason why he is lynch. You stating that the games are in different setups just further shows Annul plays aggressively regardless of game setup and he is an aggressive player.

Again he slightly defends annul here by trying to use a wifom defense for annul, while then redirecting to another player. He also mentions how people pointed out how bad the idea of the circles was, when the major objectors were gryff, annul. Seraph posted against it briefly (flipped red), lunar did, and ohn did. Almost no one else was opposed. Reservations possibly had in that the groups created could have been fixed if gm is red. However, when we know two of the main group flipped up red, and one of which is the person lunar is defending you see a pattern.

Now keep in mind he was fairly active in day 1.

Lets move on to day 2.
You keep bring up that I defend annul. Yes, I did. I will admit that I misread annul and didn't vote for him. Look at the reasons for my day1 vote, I stated my reasons for not voting annul. Go analyze that post. If I didn't vote for annul and did not give reason for not doing so, that should instead be suspicious.

Where is the WIFOM defense you mentioned because I can't find it?

I believe there are more opposers than supporters for Gmarshall's circle thing. Reread that part of the thread.


Post doesn’t say much other than recap generally what everyone was talking about, fairly useless.
Don't post it if you have nothing to say about the post or are you just noting that you consider the post as a spam post?

The post states my reason why I don't think Annul was bussed and grouped some players into 2 categories.


Soft defends barunder here making it seem like a mafia wouldn’t do this tactic as it would “defeat” the purpose of it. However since he’s willing to die first would potentially save him from the towns lynch and get lsb killed anyway. Its wifom stuff, but again soft defending a player for no real reason. Post says nothing knew aside from “I believe x is town” and is a summary.
It is not wifom. Would mafia post such a big analysis, not following up, and willing to be lynched first. What is the purpose of that post if barunder is mafia?

Post nothing new? I posted my reasons why I think Barunder is town and also pointed out it is LSB's usual play style of putting pressure back to his accuser.



Defense of himself after being accused, in which he said he refused to finalize his vote for a player he didn’t think was scum, then foolishness called him out with



Where he admits to agreeing with foolishness on what he promised, and what he delivered was the exact opposite. Clear lie.

He has a few more posts trying to justify his actions day 1, but does not contribute clearly to day 2 discussion or lynches past this.

He starts the day inactive, then proceeds to post about things that give no solid or productive discussion to the game aside from appearing active. He quickly follows that by getting called out for directly lying in the game and admitting he lied.

Interesting.
I responded to these 2 reasons (the pm with foolishness and my activeness) in my previous posts. I still stand by those responses.
Day 3


Big ass long post saying how one shouldn’t lie in pms if one is town. However, he was found to be lying from his intereaction with foolishness. This makes him subject of
If I am mafia and he town. If I denied the pm and same 1 mafia out of the two.
If both are town, I shouldn't lie.

If he was town he would have helped foolishness in the way he promised instead of doing the exact opposite (in fact lunar was annuls staunchest defender day 1). He knew if he denied the pm completely it would give himself up as red, then stated as town he shouldn’t lie, in which he did. Why did he lie? To defend his scum buddy annul.
Can you stop calling that a lie? I admit that I didn't do what I said I would do. Tell me you never forget about things. Again, look at my responses to the pm thing and understand what actually happened.




Says he won’t defend himself until jackal answers first? Why would he be so hesitant to defend himself when he has been so happy to defend others all game?
Going to give you an example right now:
You did this huge ass post and give ohn and I to respond.
Someone analyze your post as bullshit.
Would you fight back immediately and lay off ohn and me?
Of course not, you are posting this to get responses from ohn and me.




Entire defense of WIFOM. If ones defense is purely that, there is the face of their guilt. It just depends if people will eat the block of text and move on.
I basically explain what happened. Any deviation is lying. People can believe it or not believe it.



More WIFOM. Not solid defense.
Read the purpose of the post. The post is to ask for an answer out of jackal and not to defend myself with two lines.



Summarizes posts made from Gryffindor.
Responds to ser aspi with WIFOM of why he was waiting on jackals response, but doesn’t actually do the analysis in which he was asked to do. Why would he not do analysis if he is town? What better way to clear yourself.
Post where is the WIFOM in the post because I can't find it.

Look at how I play in games, I never quote ton of posts and analysis the heck out of them when I am town, mafia, or 3rd party.



Summarizing the game day to this point. Anyone reading the thread would actually know how it reached this point. Instead of offering anything insightful he instead just recaps the day. So far pretty useless.
I am stating what is on my mind and how I see the current situation that diverting the lynch to 3 candidates is bad. I gave reasons why LSB should be voted if he is found lying and willing to fall back my vote on Seraph because of his behavior.


Jumps on a bandwagon that flipped a red, still no providing any insightful posting or analysis of his own.
I jump on the wagon when the votes were damn close. I gave reasons why I did that. Before accusing me, look at yourself.


Mentions he would prefer to have jbright killed over seraph (seraph flipped red) this is a subtle defense but believe since a player gave up the other should be killed. Defends the person he votes for, odd behaviour. If you think someone is red you should be pushing them, or at least analyzing them (he fails to provide his reason for why he finds jbright more likely to be red than seraph).
READ DAMMIT. There are 2 paragraphs (bigger paragraph and smaller paragraph).

In the bigger paragraph, I said why Seraph is a better lynch.
Only in the smaller paragraph, I give a counter reason why Jbright is a better lynch