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Medic claims. Mafia role reverse medic. Medic, time to use your nightkill. | ||
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On February 17 2011 17:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: actually fuck. this icon is ugly. I want to be something cooler. Welcome abroad. Advice: Spam more and we'll overcome this. | ||
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This is a Warning! Greetings! You've received this message because we here at Teamliquid have noticed a disturbing lack of personality in your posts. Most members here try to promote discussion by typing thoughtful, meaningful and interesting posts. Others post crude, primitive one-line responses that add nothing but more text to read. Right now, we've got you pegged as an "other". Generally, this means one of two things: 1) You haven't been putting enough effort into your posts, or 2) You're a zombie, caveman or one of those trained apes like in "Congo". Any of those things would be great if this were a buddy cop movie or a movie where you have to babysit a bunch of spoiled rich kids who learn to love you, but it isn't. It's a forum, where all we have to know you by is what you type. So here's to hoping you're part of the first group, and that in the future you put more effort into each post. We'd hate to have to ban you because we thought you were a zombie. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, The Mod Staff | ||
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On February 18 2011 13:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Was that a custom wrote PM? It doesn't seem automatic :O Try spaming in other forum. You might be able to counter my claim... Nah, I really got that pm. I doubt it's unique. EDIT: pm was sent by TL.net Bot | ||
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From: RebirthOfLeGenD [ 3010 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: I WILL NOT ALLOW IT. Date: 5/1/10 01:08 You have bumped me from 8 to 9 on liquibet by post count. I will spam my way back into that spot muahahhahahahahahah. Never thought you were this guy, looks like my post count far surpassed yours. Coag, want to share some of your warning pms? | ||
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On February 19 2011 03:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: A simple search of monkeyspanker or mslegend reveal some hilarious results... http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=79579 This supports why his irc logs are full of swears. | ||
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On February 19 2011 06:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Okay this game is going in the wrong direction. Damn it. I took out both myself and chaoser... Was that is bad move? I THOUGHT it WAS a good move... I also wouldn't be active until Tuesday. So if you still missing people by Monday, I will join. If game started by Monday, I'll act as replacement. | ||
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On February 19 2011 16:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: LD do you want to play if the game starts after monday? It probably will and I have no problem holding off the game until then. I can actually play now but my posting will be limited. You don't have to hold the game for me. Time to think about it, you can start the game even before Monday. I'll just poke around here and there as most day1s are uneventful. So... /in | ||
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On February 23 2011 13:19 GMarshal wrote: for arguments sake going to create analysis cells, use them for informational analysis (even assuming I were scum there is no way) I could ensure each has a mafia member in it as there isn't enough mafia to go around (I am trying to put at least 1 TL vet in each) as the game progresses and people die we can have new cells form. (also you are free to create your own parallel cells) 1. Coagulation, LSB, gryffindor 2 GMarshal, seRapH, OriginalName 3 Mr. Wiggles, ICanFlyLow, kevconsim 4 Barundar, LastArgument , why 5 darmousseh, Ser Aspi, Kenpachi 6 Gofarman, chaoser, ohN 7 astroorion, CubEdIn, Jackal58 8 Beneather, annul, Conversion 9 icemac, Foolishness, LunarDestiny 10 deconduo, kitaman27, JBright This is just a suggestion, but I think it is a good one, discuss i don't like this. Lets say that 4 groups are contaminated with mafia. Then mafia will know 40% of the info, that is a lot of info and influence for them to work with. | ||
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On February 23 2011 13:28 GMarshal wrote: The brilliance is that no "secret" information is going to be shared, its only for bouncing off ideas and analysis, this encourages more active posting as you feel obliged by more active players asking you questions and bouncing ideas off you. This leads to people posting more and more stuff to analyze At least that is my reasoning I just don't like mandatory group joining but I do get forming in circles helps if your read on your pm partner as town. | ||
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What's bad is that if the person don't respond and bandwagon on that person happens. | ||
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First is your classification of "people to keep alive:". Are you saying that they are likely to be town or people that medic should be protecting? Second, I understand why you put foolishness and yourself up there, but I don't see why you put coag, ser aspi, and kenpachi is up there as they didn't say much. | ||
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Ser Aspi attempted to make a well formulated case after putting an FoS out on me. I'm not mafia, so if he was mafia, I would expect him to have done that differently. It could be WIFOM off of an associative tell, but I'm not sure if he's good enough to do that. Given that I doubt he wasn't genuine, and I like that he is attempting to create a bandwagon, I'm comfortable with him in my town category. I didn't want to just put "town", as it can be misleading. People will be moving up and down on my list as their play improves/degrades. You are saying that Ser Aspi read you as mafia and tried to convince town and not sucessful in doing do. While I agree that mafia won't recklessly risk themselves at leading lynches, I believe that they want to form a quick bandwagon on town. But you also said Ser Aspi tried to create a bandwagon which is what mafia wants to do. That should be a scum tell instead of a defense why he is town. | ||
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On February 23 2011 17:06 gryffindor wrote: No, he made a well formulated case (on someone else, the person he is voting...),"after putting an F.o.S. on me" should then read as "after making a post addressing inconsistencies he had with me" This isn't what happened, either, so not only are you not brushed up on the topic in the voting thread, apparently you don't read the one with words in it either. You have moved down my list, to somewhere in between neutral and leaning. Shape it up or ship it out. Ser Aspi attempted to make a well formulated case after putting an FoS out on me. This is exactly what you said. Then you say that it isn't what happened exactly. So you put in misinformation on purpose to catch people off guard. Also you can get away with it because afterward you say that it is done on purpose. If your kind of play is classify as a pro town move, then mafia can use this excuse to slip away after getting caught. Your posts got a lot of lies in them if you keep this up. I know there are pro town lies but consistent lying will just degrade the value of your posts. | ||
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On February 23 2011 19:14 gryffindor wrote: You just typed 3 paragraphs about how I didn't correctly use a comma, and you are still misrepresenting what I said; learn how to read. My post was about you posting misinformation and using the excuse of catching people off guard. I'll analyze line by line: No, he made a well formulated case (on someone else, the person he is voting...),"after putting an F.o.S. on me" should then read as "after making a post addressing inconsistencies he had with me" This says "Ser Aspi post reason why Chaoser is scum and vote Chaoser after he placed F.o.S. on you" SHOULD BE READ AS "Ser Aspi post reason why Chaoser is scum and vote Chaoser after he finds inconsistencies in your post" I am find with this part because you further describe his F.o.S. on you. This isn't what happened, either, so not only are you not brushed up on the topic in the voting thread, apparently you don't read the one with words in it either. You say "this isn't what happened." Either you and I are reading Ser Aspi differently or you are using misinformation to catch people off guard. This is what I was referring to as your misinformation. No comment on the parts below. Now your turn to disect my previous post and explain about what exactly didn't happened. You are saying that Ser Aspi read you as mafia and tried to convince town and not sucessful in doing do. While I agree that mafia won't recklessly risk themselves at leading lynches, I believe that they want to form a quick bandwagon on town. But you also said Ser Aspi tried to create a bandwagon which is what mafia wants to do. That should be a scum tell instead of a defense why he is town. | ||
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On February 24 2011 11:44 GMarshal wrote: No, the point is to cause otherwise inactive players to feel obliged to post, it is to increase the amount of information available, when I ask a general question like "what do you guys think about GMarshal" lurkers are free to either ignore it or jump on what one person says. By using these circles people are actually forced to voice an opinion if you guys want there is nothing stopping you from posting all the analysis you do in the circle and every random thought you have in the general thread, also its important for people to remember that it is possible that people in their circle are scum, thats part of the goal of the circle. Also nothing is stopping a player who writes a good analysis from bouncing it off people outside their circle. Although I will agree that the weakness of this circle plan is the fact that a 2 scum circle can adversely influence the townie tldr: the point of the circle is to force people to think rather than sheeping with other peoples opinions I still see problem with mandatory circles. Your point of making these circles is to encourage participation. You already acknowledge the cons of these circle so I'll leave it at that. I just came from playing orpah where I was in game made circle (lover) with zerroth. I tried pming him but he didn't respond and got lynched early. So I think even if you force inactives into circles, they wouldn't contribute if they choose not to. So your point of encouraging contribution from inactive is not worth the risk of mafia gain info from these circle. Again, I prefer people forming pm circles with people they trust. I'll give the example of XXV where barunder asked me a lot about Mr.Zergling. Because of the circle, we (he mostly) figured it out Mr.Zergling was playing a lot different. Yes, the read was negative but at least we were able to read each other as town. | ||
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On February 24 2011 12:33 annul wrote: here is the funny thing. LSB is probably upset at me for what i did to him the last mafia game, so he is going to try to do the same thing to me that i did to him. i see it coming. does it make sense? ofc not. is there literally anyone out there who actually likes this cell idea? i expect the rest of the reds to come out! The reason why LSB is going after you because of what you did that game can be only explained if LSB is mafia who know you are town. I don't see evidence that suggests so. Town would never go after who they think are non-scum. | ||
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On February 24 2011 13:03 annul wrote: ##unvote ##vote gmarshal better than chaoser atm I want to ask you for the reasons why you switched your vote. And why do you think Gmarshall is a better lynch than Chaoser. | ||
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I don't see much scum tell in his vote switch from Chaoser to Gmarshall. Annul did justify his vote on Gmarshall on why his plan is bad. Another thing people keep mentioning is the aggressiveness how Annul is playing which looks like how he played in XXXV where he was scum. The difference is there he was accusing LSB being scum with flawed reasons. This game, he actually justified his vote and did provide reasons unlike the old "LSB postings are spams and have few contributions." I played with Annul many times before and it seems that he is always aggressive on day1. XXXV: Accused LSB mafia because he spams and don't contribute much. Merc Mafia: Claimed medic to me (day vig) and planned to have 100% town victory. Survivor Mafia (ongoing): After the quick 3 people alliance, he rallied and formed the counter 5 people alliance to take control of the game. This game compared to other games I played with Annul, I consider that he is playing less aggressive. | ||
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LSB: Storytime! Why Annul was an easy read in XXXV 1) He mad up stuff and pushed stuff that didn't exist Check, this game he's pushing GMarshal, saying GMarshal is clear mafia, although there is literally nothing in his accusation 2) Besides responses, he posted nothing else Look at Annul's posts. How many of his posts deal with things other than Gmarshal or defending himself? I can't find any. Looked over Annul's posts: 1) He posts are generally short and don't have much content to them. I do find Annul saying Gmarshall is mafia based only on his circle thing is not convincing. 2) This is the part I disagree. Annul did what most people will do in this situation. He attacked someone whom he believe is mafia and defended himself when he was in huge danger of being lynched. If he didn't go after someone, ok... since not everyone got a mafia read on day1. And his defense on himself is normal behavior. To determine if he is really mafia, you have to look at the time when he felt pressured and tried to redirect the lynch to another person (Gmarshall in this case) and if there are any support from others. People did pointed out Gmarshall's circle thing is a horrible idea but no one voted for him after Annul's switch. | ||
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Also, town players roleclaim regardless when they are getting lynched. That "you'll know soon after" is not general town play. Can you at least tell us what you observed? Well, time to vote... Icemac, you took a huge dive. Care to explained your voting or what you see on the thread? | ||
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On February 25 2011 10:29 annul wrote: like always, if i am in danger of lynch, i will have a post ready to go at XX:59 before the vote is locked, and if i am still in the lead, i post it with all of my information. mafia is not a short-term game. it's a long-term game. just because i MIGHT be dead today doesn't mean i need to give up my entire hand. as it is i still think i have a chance, since people are jumping off my wagon. the problem is they are creating other, split wagons in the process... but with 90 minutes to go, i figure i should keep this up since it is working. if you want to ask me specific questions i can answer them for you, but basic "what do you think" is fruitless, since ive been answering that and somehow that got me an 11 vote wagon OK. Comment on theses (using more than one line please) -People are saying you are very aggressive. -Also LSB's points of you: Storytime! Why Annul was an easy read in XXXV 1) He mad up stuff and pushed stuff that didn't exist Check, this game he's pushing GMarshal, saying GMarshal is clear mafia, although there is literally nothing in his accusation 2) Besides responses, he posted nothing else Look at Annul's posts. How many of his posts deal with things other than Gmarshal or defending himself? I can't find any. | ||
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Good thing is mafia dropped by 1. | ||
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So mafia are targeting experienced players like they always do. People are talking about annul's lynch and there is a bus on annul. First of all, I don't think mafia would sacrifice one of their member to make others more safe. So those who voted annul early or greatly accused him aren't likely to be mafia. Those who jump onto the bandwagon or voted late without giving good reasons should be looked at. | ||
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LSB says Barunder's analysis on him read too much on few posts and contain many WIFOMs. --- First if Barunder is scum and wants town LSB dead, he won't be satisfy being lynched first. His posts after he 3 essay sized posts did not follow up with the aggressive natural of the essay sized posts. If he is mafia, he needs to get LSB lynched before he is lynched. Because he is willing to be lynched first, that just defeats the original point of his essay sized posts if he is mafia. LSB did attacked back Barunder. This is pretty standard play and is very like LSB's play. Look back at XXXV when annul accused LSB as scum with shit posts that didn't make much sense, LSB fought back like how he is now. He justified it as putting some pressure back at his accuser and see if he will slip. Barunder did not and again is willing to be lynched first. To summarize, I don't think Barunder is scum. LSB is playing his standard in terms of his responds (not saying his alignment is town). One additional thing to point out is that they really believe the other is scum. | ||
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You also pointed out that I posted a lot more in XXXV. That game was after Pokemafia. Although I didn't played that game, lurker killed that game far more than other games. So I debated ways to out lurkers. At the end of the day, I also did jump on to the LSB/Annul case there and kind of justify my vote. I had a lot more to debate there. Lastly the pm thing. Here are the whole pm chain I had with Foolishness: Original Message From Foolishness: Oh whoops. probably should've researched that before I asked you =P But yeah go ahead, every little bit helps! I did exactly what you asked. I called Annul out other than tell him to give reason why he changed his vote to see if his reason is logical or not. You said that I didn't want to take a side. I refuse to finalize my vote for a player if I don't reason to believe he is scum (however, I do support in putting pressure vote to get people talking). I explained why i don't think annul is scum. Tell me what other side there are except voting annul. At that time, the other two highest vote players (icemac and icanflylow) have 4 votes and their votes are pretty much lurker/inactive votes. I voted icemac to get him talking. | ||
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On February 28 2011 09:56 Foolishness wrote: You directly said in a post (I quoted it on previous page): "Another thing people keep mentioning is the aggressiveness how Annul is playing which looks like how he played in XXXV where he was scum. The difference is there he was accusing LSB being scum with flawed reasons. This game, he actually justified his vote and did provide reasons unlike the old "LSB postings are spams and have few contributions."" You directly told me (in PM): "I can help call Annul out by posting how he is playing like he was in XXXV" Did I misunderstand something? Wow, that is 100% what I actually said... Yes, I only called annul out. What I tried to do is to ask annul for reason why he switch his lynch and see if his reason is logical. Give me a break dammit, I reply your post after 6 minutes you sent me the pm. I didn't put much thought in my reply. Fault me for not doing what I promised. | ||
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On February 28 2011 10:09 Foolishness wrote: Your post is a defense of annul, you didn't call him out. People had already mentioned he was playing like he did in XXXV, you defended annul by saying "there's a difference between annul this game and last game. Last game he was using flawed reasons, this game he justified his vote". Well, that is my style of calling people out. Asking them to contribution more. When i called him out, I didn't do much research on his play, I just asked him to explain his reason. The post where I defended annul is much later (1 day later?). I looked over annul's posts and was convinced that his aggressiveness is much lower is not good reasons why he is scum. | ||
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On February 28 2011 10:07 Foolishness wrote: You seem so reluctant to vote, almost like you don't really want to. If you didn't think annul was mafia, you should have defended harder, or provide reason why we should lynch icemac over him. It's understandable that you would vote for icemac (better him than annul if you think annul is innocent). It's not understandable for you to just vote without giving clear reason. Unless you changed your mind half way through day (it's okay if you did) you thought annul was innocent the whole time correct? If so why not find a better target to lynch? Right now I think all of LSB/Barundar/icemac are innocent, that's why I made a case against you, however hopeless it may be. It seemed like you didn't want to kill any of annul/icemac (which is okay). But tossing your vote on icemac like you did tells me that you really didn't care if icemac died, and that you really didn't care to try to find someone else to vote for. That's not the kind of player I want in my town. I post what I see. I saw annul's aggressiveness should not be the reason why he should be lynched. I don't see anymore reason why annul is not scum other than his annul is almost too easy. Again, I believe that there was not enough why annul should be lynched and I did pointed out every counter reason why I thought annul was not scum. | ||
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On February 28 2011 10:45 Foolishness wrote: LunarDestiny has yet to contribute much of anything: You seem to say Barundar and LSB are not scum (which is the same conclusion I drew) yet you provided zero help to the town about it. All you did in this post was summarize what had happened previously, without giving new insight to the town. It seems to me that you are clearly around a lot (you don't seem to be inactive) yet I don't see you doing much for the town here. Very convenient for you to come in and vote for icemac (although you just got back so I'll cut you a bit of slack). I said in that post that I was very convinced that Barunder is not scum. The reason is if he is mafia, he would not be contented with being lynched first. No one pointed this out. I also give out one reason why LSB is playing like he usually is (after being pointed at, fought back with pressuring). I also don't remember this being pointed out. I gave that post after catching up on the last five pages and these reasons are based on those pages. Yes, I was inactive after annul flipping scum and about 1/4 of day 2. However I did do some catching up. | ||
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On February 28 2011 10:56 Ser Aspi wrote: Yeah what a coincidence. Heres what happened I bet. Seraph pops in mafia irc. HURRY DUDE LD IS GONNA GET LYNCHED VOTE FOR ICEMAC. OK GUYS I GOT DA PERFECT EXCUSE. A PLACEHOLDER VOTE I'd rather kill Jbright but apparently lynch closes soon and LD is a decent target so. vote##: LundarDestiny If I was mafia, I would not do stupid shit like asking Seraph to save my ass after seeing how Foolishness labeled both Seraph and I as mafia. Think the mafia want to out 2 of their own? | ||
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I will place my vote to equalize your for now. If you switch vote later, I will switch mine too... | ||
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On February 28 2011 12:09 Foolishness wrote: Thanks for jumping ship last minute guys. You really helped the town on that one. Why didn't you followed up if you really believed I am scum? I responded to all(?) of your post. | ||
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On March 01 2011 00:31 deconduo wrote: Here was the post in question: -Your 'explanation' was mafia would use it to destroy town at end game. I gave you an example of your supposed endgame situation. You completely ignored it and simple put it down to opinion. I'll give my take on this... Posting pm for no reason is a bad thing because it will reveal information to mafia. However, there are many circumstances where posting pm is good. For example, look how Foolishness post his pm with me and find that I didn't do what exactly I promised. That generated one point saying why i am mafia. If he is mafia and I town, and edited the pm, I can denied it and there goes 1 mafia of the two. If I am mafia and he town. If I denied the pm and same 1 mafia out of the two. If both are town, I shouldn't lie. If both are mafia, mafia is stupid. Icemac also gave out all pm before he died. It give additional information for town to work with and town can use those to accuse or defend people. Taking those pms into the grave is not as useful. Your case describes that mafia edit the pm and use them for the late game. This situation only works if the other person mafia is editing the pm from is afk and don't claim the pm is edited. This is huge risk from mafia and certainly mafia would take unless they are desperate. Your other case say that 2 or more mafia talk in circles and post pm to make themselves look good. This case stands because it would be hard to prove these pms wrong. Also even revealing one of them mafia doesn't prove that the other is mafia believe it could very well be legit pm between mafia and town. But if we just compare the pro and con of post pm. i find it is beneficial for them to be posted given there is a reason. So I have to agree with deucenuo on this subject and asking you to describe why it is bad to post pm. Also give your reasons why posting pm is bad. (Does the con outweigh the pro?) | ||
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On March 01 2011 11:53 Ser Aspi wrote: Some more bad posts: So much you could weigh in on, and you write an essay that boils down: "posting pm's when theres a reason that gives town more reliable information is good" Of all the things you could have posted on LIKE SUSPECTS AND WHO YOU THINK IS MAFIA AND WHY, you said something as useless and obvious as that, and make it look like you are good Sir Sherlock Holmes solving cases left and right. You sir are trying to blend in. Who might want to blend in? DRRR I wonder. Maybe scum? This post's purpose is to ask jackal to describe what he meant. If I respond to you now, that would just make my post pointless. I promise you (not going to forget this time), that I will give you an explanation after jackal respond to my post or deuceuo's post relating to this subject. ok? | ||
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As to what I think about LD? I believe the main arguments against him by Foolishness were 1) not as active in a previous game and 2) inaccurate PMs. I'm not really sure how useful #1 is since people do do things outside of TL mafia and we cannot control that. I believe someone else already mentioned that most people show tendencies in their play, but an experienced(?) player such as LD should know better. #2 is more damning and his subsequent responses were not that strong. I suppose this is as close of a "read" as we've got on a player other than the back and forth between LSB and Barunder. Again, I have no response to my irregular posting behavior. I usually post a lot in the thread but I tried to cut my spam to minimum in this game. Comparing this game's activeness and aggressive of scumhunting to my previous game (XXXVII) is tricky. First, I was SK in that game who was protown(reason is TL town generally sucks). Also look at my posts that game. I believe a huge portion of them are me trying to scum hunt with clues. I didn't do much analysis that game. I ask any of you to look at my past games (my profile includes them) and compare them to this game. Compare how many analysis there are and how many of the posts are just spams. The second part is the pm thing. I'll describe what happened, Foolishness can disprove me. If you want the pm chain, refer back near end of day 2. -I found out that I received a pm from Foolishness asking me to vote annul to pressure him. The reason of this pressuring is to compare his playing style here to XXXV where he was scum. -That point, I didn't do much research about annul and explained to Foolishness I can't wagon him because I spent most of my post talking about hating bandwagon. However, I DID say this "However, I can help call Annul out by posting how he is playing like he was in XXXV where his postings are similar since they are not logical.". -He gave an apology pm saying he should read a bit of my post before asking. -This is where I screwed up, I did not do what I said about relating my post to call annul up to XXXV. I just look back at the easily post to call annul out which was the little explained vote change and used that to call him out. -There was no reminder from Foolishness that I didn't do exactly what I said and I quickly forget about it. It is not what I don't want to do. If he give another pm me about I didn't talk XXXV and annul's behavior, I would write another post calling annul out. Man if you guys think that is scum-like, I have nothing to say. | ||
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On March 01 2011 19:31 Jackal58 wrote: Respond to what? A pointless argument that I decided was a difference in opinion? Respond to a question I already answered? And then said fuck it when decon didn't like my answer? I felt at the time it wasn't worth having a pissing contest over. You just had an argument with gryff over alleged PM content. That's why I think it's a bad idea. But I said that already. Only scum would attempt to continue making an issue out of a non-issue. ##VOTE: Lunar Destiny First of all, the pm thing I had is with Foolishness and I did not say his posting of the pm to call me out a bad thing. I am fine with it and glad to explain it. Now I ask you to give reason why you think posting pm is bad. To restate my question, give your reasons why posting pm is bad. Does the con outweigh the pro? (find my counter arguments from my post in the pm chain). This is just a simple question. | ||
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On March 01 2011 21:40 Jackal58 wrote: Which I answered. Perhaps my answer was too simple. Posting PMs in my opinion is an easy way for scum to influence town. Particular at end game. That is "IN MY OPINION". If you disagree with my opinion fine. It's not worthy of an argument. Unless you are scum and wish to appear that you are contributing. Because that's all it is. Appearance. And Just noting that I am currently busy and will respond to this along with my promised respond to Ser Aspi tonight. | ||
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On March 01 2011 21:40 Jackal58 wrote: Which I answered. Perhaps my answer was too simple. Posting PMs in my opinion is an easy way for scum to influence town. Particular at end game. That is "IN MY OPINION". If you disagree with my opinion fine. It's not worthy of an argument. Unless you are scum and wish to appear that you are contributing. Because that's all it is. Appearance. And Took out the damn image... We'll going to have a difference of opinion here. You find it pointless to discuss and I also start to find it bothersome. Gryffindor, in a couple of post above, pretty much responded for you... He described many situations and came up with a conclusion that posting pms is generally bad. His next sentence states it depend on how it was used. This is the part I most agreed with. I will reiterate again that if there should be a reason why the pm is being posted: contradiction found, being lynched, role fishing detected, etc. Your center point was that end game pm posting will screw town up. Again, I find your statement too restricted. Yes, if it is at the point of lynch wrong and lose AND people start popping pms which is powerful enough to demand a lynch, then it will be damn suspicious. I don't remember this happening in the games I played but it could happen and screw town open. If mafia want to guild a mislynch, most of the time they'll just claim dt (ex. XXXVI:bumatlarge->me, insane: Pandain->Kenpachi). ---------------------------------------------------- Response to Ser Aspi: On March 01 2011 11:53 Ser Aspi wrote: Some more bad posts: So much you could weigh in on, and you write an essay that boils down: "posting pm's when theres a reason that gives town more reliable information is good" Of all the things you could have posted on LIKE SUSPECTS AND WHO YOU THINK IS MAFIA AND WHY, you said something as useless and obvious as that, and make it look like you are good Sir Sherlock Holmes solving cases left and right. You sir are trying to blend in. Who might want to blend in? DRRR I wonder. Maybe scum? I did that post because I greatly disagree with jackal's attitude towards posting pms. Pretty much every mafia game, there will be someone posting pms and nobody was ever against that (at least that is what I remembered). I seen players posting pms to show alignments after someone from the pm circle dies and I like that. One other reason is depending on Jackal's response, I can look at his previous games and look at where he was town and was he ever impressed or benefited from pm being posted. From the recent games where jackal and I were in where town was screwed by pm posting. I might have missed them (don't axe me in games I die early because I don't closely follow the game after I die...), but I am pretty sure there were none. | ||
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Jbright who played 1 game on TL don't have much I can use past history that I can based off of. Ser Aspi did compared Jbright's town play in Orpah and found contradictions. But compared to... Seraph who Foolishness did an analysis on, Seraph's lynch is reasoned better. I know that some of the reasons are kind of similar to the reason of my lynch (posting behavior/activeness)... Foolishness's conclusion of Seraph: Conclusion: Seraph's posting rates shows he's either mafia or a bored townie. When we look at his past games, we see a somewhat aggressive posting style (not afraid to speak his mind) and concern for the well-being of the town. This game there is a clear lack of that as his posts just indicate that he's here watching. I do agree that I remember Seraph as someone who is not afraid to speak his mind and it does seem weird in this game where his posts are pretty calm. I also agree that mafia would prefer to watch and not to slip if they are not forced to post. The other reason Foolishness brought up is Seraph was "bored" after the game started and even if he hasn't gotten a blue role as town, he should be excited for this game after town got 1 mafia lynched on day1. I skim through Seraph's post and found many of his earlier posts are short/one liner. But he did say on his post "498" that he wasted his 6666 post and way later on his post "644," he indicated that he is playing a lot in pm land. If that is the case, then he wasn't "bored" and was more active than what it seemed on the thread. I want to ask if people can justify that they were having pm conversation with Seraph. Although if Seraph is mafia, other mafia can lie and justify this reason but if enough people justify for Seraph, I doubt they are all mafia. This can also be used later on to group people together. The last person is LSB. The first reason is he surviving after two night. The second night is more suspicious since a medic was killed a night before. I understand this is not a strong reason but should take into consideration later on because I do find it weird that mafia is not trying to gun down the 1 of the 2 top player. The next reason is the KP contradiction: It doesn't make sense at all. No vig claimed yet and there is no incentive for not claiming. They already shot and will only act as vanilla townie. The benefit of justifying the KP issue is way more than absorbing a kill as vanilla townie. People already mentioned that the KP do not adds up. I find it especially weird on day on night 1, there were 3 deaths. On night 2, there were 3 deaths (none claimed by vig) and 2 roleblock claims. Therefore if the roleblock claims are true, it indicates that mafia have more than 2.5 KP. I have no idea why won't mafia spend the extra KP on the extra kill. Also what happened that the missing KP on night 1 if mafia do have so many KPs. Again, not using these KP on extra kill but on other powers is a waste. I want to point out that Jackal also claimed being roleblocked. LSB shouldn't be voted only because of this KP contradiction It just doesn't make sense at all and I hope an explanation can be made. If we were able to justify the case, I would like to fall back to voting Seraph. Those who pmed with Seraph, please claimed. You don't have to post the pms if you don't want to, but at least describe how much you interacted with Seraph. | ||
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On March 03 2011 05:25 Barundar wrote: Lol yeah there is those 2 reasons to vote LSB. Where have you been all day 2? Seems like a recurring theme suddenly! Well, I remember day 2 as there not much reason behind the lynch and at the end, I was defending myself like mad. I don't have much to say about me keep bring up jackal. But I was writing about the KP contradiction and that also applies to jackal who currently is not on the lynch. | ||
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Jbright's case was based on orpah and this game where Seraph was based on of three games. Jbright losing his will to play is what expected from newer players. Yes, mafia can also use this as excuse to lurk. But when a newer player is pressured and accused, it is reasonable that they lose their will to play (I did it on my third game where for the first time, a huge post was thrown at me). I do have a reason that Jbright is a better lynch and I don't think they were mentioned. Seraph's posts were better and more analyzable. On the other hand, Jbright pretty much given up. | ||
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On March 04 2011 13:49 kevconsim wrote: just a guess You shitting me? 30 players setup, 4 mafia. | ||
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On March 04 2011 15:16 LastArgument wrote: LunarDestiny + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2011 06:34 LunarDestiny wrote: I read about the last three pages and found not very strong reasons that Annul is scum. I don't see much scum tell in his vote switch from Chaoser to Gmarshall. Annul did justify his vote on Gmarshall on why his plan is bad. Another thing people keep mentioning is the aggressiveness how Annul is playing which looks like how he played in XXXV where he was scum. The difference is there he was accusing LSB being scum with flawed reasons. This game, he actually justified his vote and did provide reasons unlike the old "LSB postings are spams and have few contributions." I played with Annul many times before and it seems that he is always aggressive on day1. XXXV: Accused LSB mafia because he spams and don't contribute much. Merc Mafia: Claimed medic to me (day vig) and planned to have 100% town victory. Survivor Mafia (ongoing): After the quick 3 people alliance, he rallied and formed the counter 5 people alliance to take control of the game. This game compared to other games I played with Annul, I consider that he is playing less aggressive. This post is prime example of day 1 defending of a dead mafia. It soft claim defends annul. He compares the behaviour of 3 games of annul, 1 red, 2 town. In each of the three games he played very similarly except in game 1 as mafia he used bad logic to get someone killed. The link here is between this current game and that game, he was playing much differently from his town norm, revealing him as red. This would easily be seen from the looking from game as town and game as red of annul, but instead he tries to link all 3 games under the same style, when 1 was definitely different. Misrepresenting the facts is something one would do to defend ones teammate. I did not misrepresented the facts. Before that post, town was accusing annul on a bad reason: aggressiveness. I found annul being less aggressive than the games I played with him. I was showing that annul play aggressive regardless he is town or mafia and that shouldn't be the reason why he is lynch. You stating that the games are in different setups just further shows Annul plays aggressively regardless of game setup and he is an aggressive player. On February 25 2011 07:58 LunarDestiny wrote: Looked over Annul's posts: 1) He posts are generally short and don't have much content to them. I do find Annul saying Gmarshall is mafia based only on his circle thing is not convincing. 2) This is the part I disagree. Annul did what most people will do in this situation. He attacked someone whom he believe is mafia and defended himself when he was in huge danger of being lynched. If he didn't go after someone, ok... since not everyone got a mafia read on day1. And his defense on himself is normal behavior. To determine if he is really mafia, you have to look at the time when he felt pressured and tried to redirect the lynch to another person (Gmarshall in this case) and if there are any support from others. People did pointed out Gmarshall's circle thing is a horrible idea but no one voted for him after Annul's switch. Again he slightly defends annul here by trying to use a wifom defense for annul, while then redirecting to another player. He also mentions how people pointed out how bad the idea of the circles was, when the major objectors were gryff, annul. Seraph posted against it briefly (flipped red), lunar did, and ohn did. Almost no one else was opposed. Reservations possibly had in that the groups created could have been fixed if gm is red. However, when we know two of the main group flipped up red, and one of which is the person lunar is defending you see a pattern. Now keep in mind he was fairly active in day 1. Lets move on to day 2. You keep bring up that I defend annul. Yes, I did. I will admit that I misread annul and didn't vote for him. Look at the reasons for my day1 vote, I stated my reasons for not voting annul. Go analyze that post. If I didn't vote for annul and did not give reason for not doing so, that should instead be suspicious. Where is the WIFOM defense you mentioned because I can't find it? I believe there are more opposers than supporters for Gmarshall's circle thing. Reread that part of the thread. On February 27 2011 14:44 LunarDestiny wrote: Back. Catchup time... So mafia are targeting experienced players like they always do. People are talking about annul's lynch and there is a bus on annul. First of all, I don't think mafia would sacrifice one of their member to make others more safe. So those who voted annul early or greatly accused him aren't likely to be mafia. Those who jump onto the bandwagon or voted late without giving good reasons should be looked at. Post doesn’t say much other than recap generally what everyone was talking about, fairly useless. Don't post it if you have nothing to say about the post or are you just noting that you consider the post as a spam post? The post states my reason why I don't think Annul was bussed and grouped some players into 2 categories. On February 28 2011 07:18 LunarDestiny wrote: Barunder wants to lynch LSB and even is willing to go with sacrificing himself first to prove he is not scum. LSB says Barunder's analysis on him read too much on few posts and contain many WIFOMs. --- First if Barunder is scum and wants town LSB dead, he won't be satisfy being lynched first. His posts after he 3 essay sized posts did not follow up with the aggressive natural of the essay sized posts. If he is mafia, he needs to get LSB lynched before he is lynched. Because he is willing to be lynched first, that just defeats the original point of his essay sized posts if he is mafia. LSB did attacked back Barunder. This is pretty standard play and is very like LSB's play. Look back at XXXV when annul accused LSB as scum with shit posts that didn't make much sense, LSB fought back like how he is now. He justified it as putting some pressure back at his accuser and see if he will slip. Barunder did not and again is willing to be lynched first. To summarize, I don't think Barunder is scum. LSB is playing his standard in terms of his responds (not saying his alignment is town). One additional thing to point out is that they really believe the other is scum. Soft defends barunder here making it seem like a mafia wouldn’t do this tactic as it would “defeat” the purpose of it. However since he’s willing to die first would potentially save him from the towns lynch and get lsb killed anyway. Its wifom stuff, but again soft defending a player for no real reason. Post says nothing knew aside from “I believe x is town” and is a summary. It is not wifom. Would mafia post such a big analysis, not following up, and willing to be lynched first. What is the purpose of that post if barunder is mafia? Post nothing new? I posted my reasons why I think Barunder is town and also pointed out it is LSB's usual play style of putting pressure back to his accuser. On February 28 2011 09:51 LunarDestiny wrote: Ok. First, I'll admit that my post behavior in this game is weird since I am usually a player who tend to post more than other players. My excuse is being busy. You also pointed out that I posted a lot more in XXXV. That game was after Pokemafia. Although I didn't played that game, lurker killed that game far more than other games. So I debated ways to out lurkers. At the end of the day, I also did jump on to the LSB/Annul case there and kind of justify my vote. I had a lot more to debate there. Lastly the pm thing. Here are the whole pm chain I had with Foolishness: I did exactly what you asked. I called Annul out other than tell him to give reason why he changed his vote to see if his reason is logical or not. You said that I didn't want to take a side. I refuse to finalize my vote for a player if I don't reason to believe he is scum (however, I do support in putting pressure vote to get people talking). I explained why i don't think annul is scum. Tell me what other side there are except voting annul. At that time, the other two highest vote players (icemac and icanflylow) have 4 votes and their votes are pretty much lurker/inactive votes. I voted icemac to get him talking. Defense of himself after being accused, in which he said he refused to finalize his vote for a player he didn’t think was scum, then foolishness called him out with On February 28 2011 10:07 LunarDestiny wrote: Wow, that is 100% what I actually said... Yes, I only called annul out. What I tried to do is to ask annul for reason why he switch his lynch and see if his reason is logical. Give me a break dammit, I reply your post after 6 minutes you sent me the pm. I didn't put much thought in my reply. Fault me for not doing what I promised. Where he admits to agreeing with foolishness on what he promised, and what he delivered was the exact opposite. Clear lie. He has a few more posts trying to justify his actions day 1, but does not contribute clearly to day 2 discussion or lynches past this. He starts the day inactive, then proceeds to post about things that give no solid or productive discussion to the game aside from appearing active. He quickly follows that by getting called out for directly lying in the game and admitting he lied. Interesting. I responded to these 2 reasons (the pm with foolishness and my activeness) in my previous posts. I still stand by those responses. Day 3 On March 01 2011 04:42 LunarDestiny wrote: I'll give my take on this... Posting pm for no reason is a bad thing because it will reveal information to mafia. However, there are many circumstances where posting pm is good. For example, look how Foolishness post his pm with me and find that I didn't do what exactly I promised. That generated one point saying why i am mafia. If he is mafia and I town, and edited the pm, I can denied it and there goes 1 mafia of the two. If I am mafia and he town. If I denied the pm and same 1 mafia out of the two. If both are town, I shouldn't lie. If both are mafia, mafia is stupid. Icemac also gave out all pm before he died. It give additional information for town to work with and town can use those to accuse or defend people. Taking those pms into the grave is not as useful. Your case describes that mafia edit the pm and use them for the late game. This situation only works if the other person mafia is editing the pm from is afk and don't claim the pm is edited. This is huge risk from mafia and certainly mafia would take unless they are desperate. Your other case say that 2 or more mafia talk in circles and post pm to make themselves look good. This case stands because it would be hard to prove these pms wrong. Also even revealing one of them mafia doesn't prove that the other is mafia believe it could very well be legit pm between mafia and town. But if we just compare the pro and con of post pm. i find it is beneficial for them to be posted given there is a reason. So I have to agree with deucenuo on this subject and asking you to describe why it is bad to post pm. Also give your reasons why posting pm is bad. (Does the con outweigh the pro?) Big ass long post saying how one shouldn’t lie in pms if one is town. However, he was found to be lying from his intereaction with foolishness. This makes him subject of If I am mafia and he town. If I denied the pm and same 1 mafia out of the two. If both are town, I shouldn't lie. If he was town he would have helped foolishness in the way he promised instead of doing the exact opposite (in fact lunar was annuls staunchest defender day 1). He knew if he denied the pm completely it would give himself up as red, then stated as town he shouldn’t lie, in which he did. Why did he lie? To defend his scum buddy annul. Can you stop calling that a lie? I admit that I didn't do what I said I would do. Tell me you never forget about things. Again, look at my responses to the pm thing and understand what actually happened. On March 01 2011 13:04 LunarDestiny wrote: This post's purpose is to ask jackal to describe what he meant. If I respond to you now, that would just make my post pointless. I promise you (not going to forget this time), that I will give you an explanation after jackal respond to my post or deuceuo's post relating to this subject. ok? Says he won’t defend himself until jackal answers first? Why would he be so hesitant to defend himself when he has been so happy to defend others all game? Going to give you an example right now: You did this huge ass post and give ohn and I to respond. Someone analyze your post as bullshit. Would you fight back immediately and lay off ohn and me? Of course not, you are posting this to get responses from ohn and me. On March 01 2011 18:10 LunarDestiny wrote: Again, I have no response to my irregular posting behavior. I usually post a lot in the thread but I tried to cut my spam to minimum in this game. Comparing this game's activeness and aggressive of scumhunting to my previous game (XXXVII) is tricky. First, I was SK in that game who was protown(reason is TL town generally sucks). Also look at my posts that game. I believe a huge portion of them are me trying to scum hunt with clues. I didn't do much analysis that game. I ask any of you to look at my past games (my profile includes them) and compare them to this game. Compare how many analysis there are and how many of the posts are just spams. The second part is the pm thing. I'll describe what happened, Foolishness can disprove me. If you want the pm chain, refer back near end of day 2. -I found out that I received a pm from Foolishness asking me to vote annul to pressure him. The reason of this pressuring is to compare his playing style here to XXXV where he was scum. -That point, I didn't do much research about annul and explained to Foolishness I can't wagon him because I spent most of my post talking about hating bandwagon. However, I DID say this "However, I can help call Annul out by posting how he is playing like he was in XXXV where his postings are similar since they are not logical.". -He gave an apology pm saying he should read a bit of my post before asking. -This is where I screwed up, I did not do what I said about relating my post to call annul up to XXXV. I just look back at the easily post to call annul out which was the little explained vote change and used that to call him out. -There was no reminder from Foolishness that I didn't do exactly what I said and I quickly forget about it. It is not what I don't want to do. If he give another pm me about I didn't talk XXXV and annul's behavior, I would write another post calling annul out. Man if you guys think that is scum-like, I have nothing to say. Entire defense of WIFOM. If ones defense is purely that, there is the face of their guilt. It just depends if people will eat the block of text and move on. I basically explain what happened. Any deviation is lying. People can believe it or not believe it. On March 01 2011 19:47 LunarDestiny wrote: First of all, the pm thing I had is with Foolishness and I did not say his posting of the pm to call me out a bad thing. I am fine with it and glad to explain it. Now I ask you to give reason why you think posting pm is bad. To restate my question, give your reasons why posting pm is bad. Does the con outweigh the pro? (find my counter arguments from my post in the pm chain). This is just a simple question. More WIFOM. Not solid defense. Read the purpose of the post. The post is to ask for an answer out of jackal and not to defend myself with two lines. On March 02 2011 14:40 LunarDestiny wrote: Took out the damn image... We'll going to have a difference of opinion here. You find it pointless to discuss and I also start to find it bothersome. Gryffindor, in a couple of post above, pretty much responded for you... He described many situations and came up with a conclusion that posting pms is generally bad. His next sentence states it depend on how it was used. This is the part I most agreed with. I will reiterate again that if there should be a reason why the pm is being posted: contradiction found, being lynched, role fishing detected, etc. Your center point was that end game pm posting will screw town up. Again, I find your statement too restricted. Yes, if it is at the point of lynch wrong and lose AND people start popping pms which is powerful enough to demand a lynch, then it will be damn suspicious. I don't remember this happening in the games I played but it could happen and screw town open. If mafia want to guild a mislynch, most of the time they'll just claim dt (ex. XXXVI:bumatlarge->me, insane: Pandain->Kenpachi). ---------------------------------------------------- Response to Ser Aspi: I did that post because I greatly disagree with jackal's attitude towards posting pms. Pretty much every mafia game, there will be someone posting pms and nobody was ever against that (at least that is what I remembered). I seen players posting pms to show alignments after someone from the pm circle dies and I like that. One other reason is depending on Jackal's response, I can look at his previous games and look at where he was town and was he ever impressed or benefited from pm being posted. From the recent games where jackal and I were in where town was screwed by pm posting. I might have missed them (don't axe me in games I die early because I don't closely follow the game after I die...), but I am pretty sure there were none. Summarizes posts made from Gryffindor. Responds to ser aspi with WIFOM of why he was waiting on jackals response, but doesn’t actually do the analysis in which he was asked to do. Why would he not do analysis if he is town? What better way to clear yourself. Post where is the WIFOM in the post because I can't find it. Look at how I play in games, I never quote ton of posts and analysis the heck out of them when I am town, mafia, or 3rd party. On March 03 2011 05:22 LunarDestiny wrote: So we have three potential lynch targets: Jbright, Seraph, LSB. Jbright who played 1 game on TL don't have much I can use past history that I can based off of. Ser Aspi did compared Jbright's town play in Orpah and found contradictions. But compared to... Seraph who Foolishness did an analysis on, Seraph's lynch is reasoned better. I know that some of the reasons are kind of similar to the reason of my lynch (posting behavior/activeness)... Foolishness's conclusion of Seraph: I do agree that I remember Seraph as someone who is not afraid to speak his mind and it does seem weird in this game where his posts are pretty calm. I also agree that mafia would prefer to watch and not to slip if they are not forced to post. The other reason Foolishness brought up is Seraph was "bored" after the game started and even if he hasn't gotten a blue role as town, he should be excited for this game after town got 1 mafia lynched on day1. I skim through Seraph's post and found many of his earlier posts are short/one liner. But he did say on his post "498" that he wasted his 6666 post and way later on his post "644," he indicated that he is playing a lot in pm land. If that is the case, then he wasn't "bored" and was more active than what it seemed on the thread. I want to ask if people can justify that they were having pm conversation with Seraph. Although if Seraph is mafia, other mafia can lie and justify this reason but if enough people justify for Seraph, I doubt they are all mafia. This can also be used later on to group people together. The last person is LSB. The first reason is he surviving after two night. The second night is more suspicious since a medic was killed a night before. I understand this is not a strong reason but should take into consideration later on because I do find it weird that mafia is not trying to gun down the 1 of the 2 top player. The next reason is the KP contradiction: It doesn't make sense at all. No vig claimed yet and there is no incentive for not claiming. They already shot and will only act as vanilla townie. The benefit of justifying the KP issue is way more than absorbing a kill as vanilla townie. People already mentioned that the KP do not adds up. I find it especially weird on day on night 1, there were 3 deaths. On night 2, there were 3 deaths (none claimed by vig) and 2 roleblock claims. Therefore if the roleblock claims are true, it indicates that mafia have more than 2.5 KP. I have no idea why won't mafia spend the extra KP on the extra kill. Also what happened that the missing KP on night 1 if mafia do have so many KPs. Again, not using these KP on extra kill but on other powers is a waste. I want to point out that Jackal also claimed being roleblocked. LSB shouldn't be voted only because of this KP contradiction It just doesn't make sense at all and I hope an explanation can be made. If we were able to justify the case, I would like to fall back to voting Seraph. Those who pmed with Seraph, please claimed. You don't have to post the pms if you don't want to, but at least describe how much you interacted with Seraph. Summarizing the game day to this point. Anyone reading the thread would actually know how it reached this point. Instead of offering anything insightful he instead just recaps the day. So far pretty useless. I am stating what is on my mind and how I see the current situation that diverting the lynch to 3 candidates is bad. I gave reasons why LSB should be voted if he is found lying and willing to fall back my vote on Seraph because of his behavior. On March 03 2011 09:41 LunarDestiny wrote: Well, we haven't reach an answer to the KP contradiction case and I am not convinced LSB is scum. I would prefer to wait one more night to have a greater grasp of mafia's KP. If LSB is town, that alone adds pressure to mafia. Also, I don't want to divert the lynch of Jbright and Seraph. I'll fall back to voting Seraph. ##VOTE: Seraph Jumps on a bandwagon that flipped a red, still no providing any insightful posting or analysis of his own. I jump on the wagon when the votes were damn close. I gave reasons why I did that. Before accusing me, look at yourself. On March 03 2011 09:50 LunarDestiny wrote: Also, I don't find Jbright's case stronger than Seraph. Jbright's case was based on orpah and this game where Seraph was based on of three games. Jbright losing his will to play is what expected from newer players. Yes, mafia can also use this as excuse to lurk. But when a newer player is pressured and accused, it is reasonable that they lose their will to play (I did it on my third game where for the first time, a huge post was thrown at me). I do have a reason that Jbright is a better lynch and I don't think they were mentioned. Seraph's posts were better and more analyzable. On the other hand, Jbright pretty much given up. Mentions he would prefer to have jbright killed over seraph (seraph flipped red) this is a subtle defense but believe since a player gave up the other should be killed. Defends the person he votes for, odd behaviour. If you think someone is red you should be pushing them, or at least analyzing them (he fails to provide his reason for why he finds jbright more likely to be red than seraph). READ DAMMIT. There are 2 paragraphs (bigger paragraph and smaller paragraph). In the bigger paragraph, I said why Seraph is a better lynch. Only in the smaller paragraph, I give a counter reason why Jbright is a better lynch Summary of Lunars posting all game is that of a player who has defended mafia all game, has yet to solidly contribute to the game. There has been no analysis, just defense of players (two of which red), a wall of wifom defense and general lack of real activity. For someone who says they are town, would they not be contributing more heavily rather than appearing to contribute? It is clear that through the blatent acts of defending mafia and lack of real contribution that he is red. Lynch him. I defended mafia all game? Yes, I defend annul. Yes, there are like 2 of instances I defend Seraph. I defended others too. Again, I don't quote shit loads of post and analyze them. I like to summarize people's behaviors and use some posts to arrive to my conclusion. Don't say WIFOMs without point where they are. Don't understand what you meant by "general lack of real activity." | ||
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------- I find it weird that LastArgument is a veteran. What should a veteran do? Absorb hit from mafia. In this game, LastArgument didn't post a lot and lurked like hell. He makes very little effort to take an hit from mafia. I believe that it wasn't mentioned that mafia could have used a KP on him. One might argue that it make no sense for mafia to hit a hugely suspected town. But look at kenpachi's death. Although Kenpachi is less suspected than LastArgument, Kenpachi was still consider as bad target to use KP on. The reason reason for mafia to use KP on LastArgument is that mafia just want to lower the amount of players. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On March 15 2011 12:08 chaoser wrote: it's ok lol, town played well. Foolishness pretty much raped our list. Between Cubed not contributing and LD making a HUGE slip, we dug our own hole. I got lucky with finding out the blues from day 1 My "pm slip" with foolishness is really me not taking his pm seriously. My inactivity is just me being busy. Excuse. Excuse. Excuse. But really. If I have enough time to play, I could have been less scummy. QUESTION TO FOOLISHNESS: HOW THE FUCK YOU FIGURED OUT THAT THERE WAS A DISTORT IN KP ON NIGHT 2? DID YOU GET OUTSIDE HELP? | ||
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